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GTVHacker has announced on their blog (http://blog.gtvhacker.com/2014/google-nest-exploiting-dfu-for-root/) that their upcoming talk at Def Con 22 will feature unreleased exploits for 20 devices, including the Chromecast, being released in a 45-minute period. Hopefully their unreleased exploit won't be patched between now and then.
Lets hope this is true and Google doesn't figure out how it is done and patch it before we get it!
That have had this root method for awhile according to the link you posted...
It's there any benefit to having your chromecast rooted, anyways?
tooandrew said:
It's there any benefit to having your chromecast rooted, anyways?
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Yes, depending on your wants/needs.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2621784
tooandrew said:
It's there any benefit to having your chromecast rooted, anyways?
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I was one who argued earlier that there was no real need for it....
But at that time Developer support was limited and scarce!
Now I would have to argue that Rooting (and flashing Eureka) is a desirable thing to have as the Whitelist is becoming more of a hinderance than it once was.
Where there was once maybe 20 developers working on support and Goggle was quick to update the whitelist to get as much support to the public as possible....NOW there are probably 100's (maybe even 1000's) working on Apps that support CCast and waiting for Google to whitelist their projects and as we have seen recently, Things like Mirroring have been around and working for close to two months yet many are denied from using it due to the Whitelisting restrictions.
As time goes on...Having Root will be much more worth having than it was back in December and January.
So this is good news if you ask me! and YES rooting is becoming much more worth having than it used to be!
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I was one who argued earlier that there was no real need for it....
But at that time Developer support was limited and scarce!
Now I would have to argue that Rooting (and flashing Eureka) is a desirable thing to have as the Whitelist is becoming more of a hinderance than it once was.
Where there was once maybe 20 developers working on support and Goggle was quick to update the whitelist to get as much support to the public as possible....NOW there are probably 100's (maybe even 1000's) working on Apps that support CCast and waiting for Google to whitelist their projects and as we have seen recently, Things like Mirroring have been around and working for close to two months yet many are denied from using it due to the Whitelisting restrictions.
As time goes on...Having Root will be much more worth having than it was back in December and January.
So this is good news if you ask me! and YES rooting is becoming much more worth having than it used to be!
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Is there a list of apps that Google won't support yet and are added to custom whitelist? I do have Eureka ROM but chose to run official whitelist because the updates to popular or prominent apps gets there faster. I wouldn't mind having a look at some of the smaller developers and what features they offer, you can always find a gem or two there.
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Is there a list of apps that Google won't support yet and are added to custom whitelist? I do have Eureka ROM but chose to run official whitelist because the updates to popular or prominent apps gets there faster. I wouldn't mind having a look at some of the smaller developers and what features they offer, you can always find a gem or two there.
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I could be wrong but I thought the "lag" was addressed a couple of builds back and there should be near-zero "lag" between a Google whitelist and Team Eureka whitelist now.
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I could be wrong but I thought the "lag" was addressed a couple of builds back and there should be near-zero "lag" between a Google whitelist and Team Eureka whitelist now.
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I think you are right, I went to the project's file repository and noticed a whitelist-sync script. I guess it is safe to go back to Eureka provided whitelist.
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Is there a list of apps that Google won't support yet and are added to custom whitelist? I do have Eureka ROM but chose to run official whitelist because the updates to popular or prominent apps gets there faster. I wouldn't mind having a look at some of the smaller developers and what features they offer, you can always find a gem or two there.
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Well Google's Mirroring app is the first one I'm sure about....
Not sure what else Team Eureka has included that is not on the official Google list....
The benefit isn't so much the MORE you can do it is the fact that when a MORE is found that Google is dragging it's feet on Eureka can add it to the list provided someone else has access to that feature.
And any developer who wanted to, could ask Eureka to whitelist their app should Google decline to do so...
Not many of those have popped up yet that I know of but in the future it will happen at some point.
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GTVHacker has announced on their blog (http://blog.gtvhacker.com/2014/google-nest-exploiting-dfu-for-root/) that their upcoming talk at Def Con 22 will feature unreleased exploits for 20 devices, including the Chromecast, being released in a 45-minute period. Hopefully their unreleased exploit won't be patched between now and then.
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Any news, new insights regarding the Def Con exploits? Chromecast still on the list?
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Any news, new insights regarding the Def Con exploits? Chromecast still on the list?
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No and the LESS NEWS the BETTER if you ask me....
I don't want Google getting even the slightest hint at what it may be for fear of them Patching it before we get our hands on it!
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Any news, new insights regarding the Def Con exploits? Chromecast still on the list?
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The talk is Saturday at 10am. We'll find out then.
Everyone is anxious
I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive
Everyone worried about Google patching your unit before the exploit comes out... Do what I did.
UNPLUG IT!
Your unit can't update if it has no power.
Well, it's Saturday and it's past 10AM in Las Vegas. Is there any news about the root exploit? I haven't seen anything on XDA or /r/chromecast about it.
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Well, it's Saturday and it's past 10AM in Las Vegas. Is there any news about the root exploit? I haven't seen anything on XDA or /r/chromecast about it.
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Well unless they are posting from the venue you are not likely to get any reports until about 8 or 9 PM Eastern.
Saw a recap on another website of the talk, but they didn't mention the Chromecast at all on the post. I hope it's real. I guess we'll have to keep waiting.
Information from defcon is up on http://dc22.gtvhacker.com, but there is no mention of any new root exploits, same old info from what i can see?
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Information from defcon is up on http://dc22.gtvhacker.com, but there is no mention of any new root exploits, same old info from what i can see?
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They're still in the process of updating the content on the site it looks like. Other devices haven't had their root methods released yet either.
Someone asked them on Twitter if new info on the Chromecast was out and they replied with "not yet " which leads me to believe they may not be releasing it just yet? Or perhaps like you said r3pwn, they haven't added it to their page yet.
Looks like kinguser and supersu are going head to head.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61899071&postcount=1277
I sort of agree with kingteam on this, without their hard work there would be no root for a lot of people.
On the other hand they shouldn't force a third party app on to someone's device, but maybe offer it as part of the root process.
Still supersu doesn't block users from changing to another super user app, so they shouldn't neither.
So now we know why Chainfire won't support kinguser in flashfire.
hopefully Kingteam changes their policy about removing their propriety apps. Super-sume wouldn't have been made if it were for Kingteam's policies.
The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.
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The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.
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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another. Its obvious Kingteam put a lot of effort into their root methods and creating the root management for it to just be immediately removed without even trying it. Its actually quite good, i used it for months on my htc m8 to no ill effect.
Itd be a shame if they decided to throw in the towel and discontinue any more development because of it.
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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another....
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I don't think this is about glory. I understand your point but ... the whole idea of rooting is to gain control of your device, so prohibiting you from being able to choose what you have running on your device is defeating that purpose and fundamental principle.
Although I'm prepared to accept that their reasons for doing this may not be malicious it does little to encourage trust when they appear this desperate to stop you removing their software especially since it has root access. AFAIK this isn't open source and perhaps a lot of other stuff isn't but we have a basis of trust in most of those cases.
IMHO their strategy should be as any other dev who has gained a reputation, through the right channels (such as Chainfire). It takes time but their efforts and results would speak for itself and they could allay any fears by showing their code is safe. IF they really want people to TRY their software then the route to this is not to create fear and doubt about the integrity of their software but to do the exact opposite and allow people to have peace of mind whilst they give it a bash.
They claim that their reaction to Chainfire et al not responding to their communication has resulted in the denial to the user of the rights to choose what software runs on their devices. This reaction to me is rather childish and does little to persuade the likes of Chainfire or Supersume devs to change their minds.
They (Chainfire / Supersume) may or may not be actively trying to throw this software out or 'bad mouthing it as such', I don't know I've not heard their story but it could just be they are simply maintaining the ethics of user choice in offering to remove something that Kingroot team have deliberately made difficult to do.
On the other hand if they are telling people that Kinguser 'causes conflicts' they should back that up openly and offer the choice to remove purify or not - it is a request I note Kingxteam make and would be valid IMO unless there are good reasons why not. Good reasons would be closed source or why the code may conflict, if no one can verify the software is doing only what it is supposed to (now and in the future) it's a good reason not to have it in your device.
Call me sceptical but what is really in it for them? They aren't gaining any money by you running their software, but they sure act like there is something to gain. They spent a lot of time and effort in finding root solutions but they don't appear to be like other devs who do it for the challenge, or for themselves with a mind to share and who by the way don't try to 'sell' or 'force' their methods on us - you take it or leave it, and we do with thanks and donate or buy their pro versions to show appreciation.
Kingroot (Kingteam) on the other hand appear more like a company to me but who knows. That's the whole point, we don't seem to know a whole lot about their motives and that perhaps creates doubt whether rational or not.
And I agree providing there's nothing nasty in there it would be a shame if they threw in the towel but they are going the wrong way about it to gain people's trust - I'm sure many people would love to try their software and apps provided they don't have any nagging doubts.
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't condone the way they are going about things, but I do agree with their reasons. Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
Like I say I used it for a while and I actually preferred it to supersu, but now that devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
Don't get me wrong Chainfire is a stellar dev, but I dont understand that and that's how a lot of this has come about. Many have been converting to supersu to use flashfire. I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
They don't prevent the removal of purify, I don't even think it gets installed as a system app, so its no big deal to remove. They shouldn't force install it though, that should be offered as a choice after successful root.
Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.
Sad that this situation has occurred. I am very appreciative of Kingroot providing a method to root my Tab S without tripping KNOX. Without it I would not have rooted until my warrenty had come close to expiring. Unfortunitely I would have removed Kingroot apps for SuperSU for a few reasons
1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
2) Flashfire providers most of my custom recovery needs which Kingroot does not. There is an argument for Flashfire being decoupled from SuperSU but not the development overhead when you flash an updated firmware ( e.g. B0E2 to B0E3). Flashing an upgrade requires the preservation of the root manager. I want OS updates that automatically preserve root so need Flashfire. Of course I've not mentioned other Flashfire features but I'm trying to stay relevant to the topic.
3) SuperSU's policies have provided methods to work around Samsung's bootloader SELinux enforcement. Without it I would not be able to use Viper4Android and an Ext4 formatted OTG microSD card.
I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
In the end what maybe more of a question is the lack of rights that customers who purchased, not rented, their devices have. Why are unlocked bootloaders not a right with root management built in? Where do the manufacturers get off restricting me from doing what the heck I want with my devices? Sure limit my warrenty in some way (e.g. Overclocking burnout) but if hardware becomes faulty independent of rooting why should they be off the hook?
I hope some balance/compromise can be met between these important contributors.
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Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
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Can you say that? The main reason people do it is because of the doubt and uncertainty of something new. Getting root is one thing and people are grateful for that but running something they are not familiar let alone trust is another.
And of course as for me too this is one of my reasons:
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1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
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.. and I'm used to using it. I should have that choice surely? And his other reasons are good and valid too.
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... devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
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I agree and I wish they'd discuss it more. I would like to know what is really going on with all this.
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I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
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I'm sure but it's difficult to know how many more would. Some people just want root to get some degree of control. Not all are flashaholics. Doubt and uncertainty are more prevalent here because of the immediate perceived need to remove it as soon as possible.
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Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
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If you don't mind losing root. So it's a pointless exercise and it's a kind of blackmail.
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As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
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But as I say there is a basis for trust that doesn't exist with Kingroot ... yet anyway.
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Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
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Let's just turn on [paranoia mode] for a moment. They aren't doing anything now perhaps they just want to get as many devices running it then on a future update ..... [/paranoia mode off]
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I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
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Exactly the point. Again what is their motivation? What are they getting out of all this furious hard work on multiple devices? I looked at the purify thread - it's a fully responsive engagement of support which is not unlike a company that has a paid product out there and keen to support it for more sales.
Cloud servers, a large (don't know) team of people? Often devs like Chainfire have little time to engage on this level, they are too busy on the product AND with their own lives / jobs. This is not their full time job in most cases.
This psychology isn't unusual. If someone came to you and offered you a free lunch you are going to be suspicious right? The first thing you are going to think of is 'what's in it for them'. Right or wrong this is how we work.
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I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.
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You are right - their threads do have a lot of thanks but perhaps not nearly as many as have used their solution - perhaps because of threads like yours where you provide a solution for a particular device so we don't automatically go to the Kingroot thread and leave our thanks. But bear in mind that the appearance of threads like yours in the first place were to tell people how to get rid of Kinguser after rooting.
Yes put a link and prompt to give thanks to them it's right.
For my part I would like to see some pressure or prompting for both parties to get something sorted out. Kingxteam to stop throwing toys out of the pram and writing restrictive code into their apps and Chainfire et al to come out and discuss their own restrictive policies and explain their concerns.
Welcome to a free world.
Kingroot are free to make their software anyway they want.
Chainfire is free to make his software any way he wants.
You (the user) is free to use one or the other or neither if you want.
If you dislike how kinguser is handeling this situation, but you still want a way to root without tripping knox then, you are free to design and write that code yourself.
Also as for what is in it for the kingxteam remember google, facebook, and quite a few others made products with not very solid monetarization ideas and now they are worth quite a bit. Much of the internet age has been make a product many ppl use and figure out a way to turn a profit afterwords.
Agreed, user choice at the end of the day, we get this same attitude in the HTC forum regarding sunshine s-off.
If you don't like it don't use it or remove it, they don't stop you doing that.
As for the fear factor of using an unknown app, isn't that what millions of people do everyday when installing apps on their device?
The average user never pays any mind to the permissions some of those apps use.
If it works they use it, simple as.
If your happy to let an exploit hack your device and gain high level privileges to it you can't be that concerned with Security otherwise you wouldn't root in the first place.
Too much paranoia going on here me thinks.
Personally I don't give a fig about kingteam planting a time bomb on my device, what's the worst that can happen? Once I get root I can weed out any naughty stuff.
Today's devices are becoming very secure for the average user, but the tinkerers don't like that, so what do the majority do? Root, flash custom kernels, Roms and recoveries and override all that security that's been implemented.
And were worried about a couple of little apps? Come on.
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There's always someone who'll come up with the age old saying of 'well if you don't like it don't use it.'
Frankly there's not a lot left to say to such posts and that is probably a good point to leave it.
Well it's quite interesting to read this over a year later and seeing how Kingroot has an app in the play store but I have looked everywhere and it's installed as a system app on my phone, I was actually researching FlashFire hoping to be able to get an OTA update and now I am looking to uninstall KingRoot 5.0.0 to go back to an older version of KingRoot. I would like to be able to switch out KingSU for supersu. But each belongs to each developer.
Hello everyone, I'm a young (22y) man, currently taking a technical course in mecatronics, control and planing of processes, I'm from Portugal, from the beautifull Azores. Just now made an account to try and get help with my
NTECH ALEXIS-RX5 DCI've been trying to get a custom ROM for it with Android 5 or above, I'm trying to install an app that requires it (SuperDisplay) so that I can use my tablet as USB graphics tablet, I've tried other apps but the're all laggy or won't work, and since I had it already on my phone and works perfectly there I was really hoping to have a bigger screen without needing to spend money on a new tablet.
Already asked for someone to make a forum about it in the
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Hello everyone, I'm a young (22y) man, currently taking a technical course in mecatronics, control and planing of processes, I'm from Portugal, from the beautifull Azores. Just now made an account to try and get help with my
NTECH ALEXIS-RX5 DCI've been trying to get a custom ROM for it with Android 5 or above, I'm trying to install an app that requires it (SuperDisplay) so that I can use my tablet as USB graphics tablet, I've tried other apps but the're all laggy or won't work, and since I had it already on my phone and works perfectly there I was really hoping to have a bigger screen without needing to spend money on a new tablet.
Already asked for someone to make a forum about it in the
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Welcome aboard,
Sure you will find the help you need, just be patient and search deep.
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Welcome aboard,
Sure you will find the help you need, just be patient and search deep.
Enjoy your stay
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Thank you so much for the welcome, I've searched deep, just the patience part missing, I'm affraid I'll not find what I'm looking for due to the age of the tablet
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Thank you so much for the welcome, I've searched deep, just the patience part missing, I'm affraid I'll not find what I'm looking for due to the age of the tablet
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Try to find the best section to post and then ask a Mod to move your thread to the selected section.
Im sure this way you will have better chances to get help.
Good luck!
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Hi,
So, welcome back?
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Hi,
So, welcome back?
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Yeah for me . I love to out my hardware as a testing and development utility. So Yeah I love android and root and Need help getting the things back the company thinks it owns. Well I know better and it's all started when J3 Emerge came out and I learned root and the possible second shot like mine is that $50 was what it costed then and now same so basically I know many people have my device and the development of it is all good with the things you can always find here at Xda.
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Yeah for me . I love to out my hardware as a testing and development utility. So Yeah I love android and root and Need help getting the things back the company thinks it owns. Well I know better and it's all started when J3 Emerge came out and I learned root and the possible second shot like mine is that $50 was what it costed then and now same so basically I know many people have my device and the development of it is all good with the things you can always find here at Xda.
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Yeah I'm back for good, I'm needing support so Ashyx will as a sr. Member teach me or at least take the care to help me in my development Days, I need support and Help convince him to help me get a TWRP for the LG Stylo 6.
Welcome, adventurer!
Greetings,
Maynard Hartman here. I'm actually a returning user of the forums. XDA was a great resource when I owned a (damn i forget the make/model), but it was the most versatile phone I've ever worked with it would load and run ANYTHING. So, I've been trying with modding my current Motorola g Power with something besides Android. I'm,m a Software Developer, We developer with many stacks and an all around systems Architect with Azure certifications (soon). I don't hack kernals much but contribute as time allows.
See you'll in the forums.
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I owned a (damn i forget the make/model), but it was the most versatile phone I've ever worked with it would load and run ANYTHING
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I just remembered:; it was an HTC ONE I believe.
Mjhartman said:
Greetings,
Maynard Hartman here. I'm actually a returning user of the forums. XDA was a great resource when I owned a (damn i forget the make/model), but it was the most versatile phone I've ever worked with it would load and run ANYTHING. So, I've been trying with modding my current Motorola g Power with something besides Android. I'm,m a Software Developer, We developer with many stacks and an all around systems Architect with Azure certifications (soon). I don't hack kernals much but contribute as time allows.
See you'll in the forums.
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HTC old timer!, Welcome back