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I see folks posting their snazzy ROM's (awesome work, guys) and I see that in some other forums (Blue Angel most notably) there are "Rom Kitchens" posted for those devices, but I don't see anything similar for the Wizard. Clearly there are methods--the plethora of ROMS here proves that--but how would I go about starting to build my own? I've done a lot of custom installation/OS configuration stuff with Win2k/XP/2003 and countless apps (I'm a regular at www.msfn.org and have used tools like nLite and WPI extensively in my own labors for both work and pleasure) with great success, so I'm really interested in expanding my horizons to this neck of the woods as well.
I hope that someone could forgive the "n00bness" of my question here, I'd love to be more active in contributing around here, you guys are inspiring me to help, dammit!
Thanks!
Jason
If there isn't one, can someone at least please point me in the right direction? I've done what searching I can, but without really knowing the proper terminology it's difficult to find the right answers
Thanks!
Jason
Uh, is it secret or something? I'd really love to help out making some ROMS around here and tend to have plenty of time to do it while at work, is anyone willing to share the info?
Jason
look at http://buzzdev.net
shamus said:
look at http://buzzdev.net
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Yeah but I don't think there is a ROM Kitchen out yet for the Wizard. Bepe doesn't have one to test with.
J-Man5
awesome, finally some headway .
Thanks for the pointers, I'll see what I can learn over there
Jason
The Wingster: Access to all of the best ROMs, Programs, and Hacks for your T-Mobile Wing
As many of you already know, I created a website called "The Wingster", which is dedicated to everything for the Touch Pro 2 and T-Mobile Wing!
ROMs - There are a lot of ROMs out there, and since the cooks are busy creating newer versions, they don't always have time to make a nice detailed description page about their ROM. So I do it for them! Don't spend all of your time digging through a lengthy thread, if there was anything important that happened, it will be on The Wingster!
Programs - All programs are tested for compatibility with the Touch Pro 2, any bugs or issues are reported, screenshots are created, features are listed, and more. I'm making all the apps on XDA accessable by the common user!
More - The Wingster is the place for everything Touch Pro 2. If anything important happens about the phone, I'll be sure to tell everyone.
Enjoy using The Wingster!
And donations are always welcome! I've gotta pay $15 a year for the awesome website domain, so you've all got about 10 months to come up with $15 so we can keep the site! Just kiddin, I can pay that myself, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to. So yea, send the very optional donations via Pay Pal, here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=5401195 (Remember, your cooks need tips, so save some for them too)
I hope I've helped all of you! And if anyone cannot or doesn't feel like donating with money, a nice reply saying how I helped you is always welcome! Just knowing that I'm helping everyone here makes me even more motivated to make the site better!
Thanks everyone, and thanks to Ivan especially, his awesome ROMs inspired me to make The Wingster.
I'm willing to help anyone here, so we can use this thread for troubleshooting too. But I created this thread so that new users would be able to find a link to the location that holds most of the ROM's for the Touch Pro 2, since digging through threads can be exhausting. I'm not dissin XDA I'm just helping it out.
I stopped watching TV because of all the infomercials...
kable said:
I stopped watching TV because of all the infomercials...
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Lol, what?
As I said, I posted this here, in ROM Development, because it's very related to ROM's. Most ROM's are listed on The Wingster, so users can find and locate the ROM's there. Just like how other threads (for different phones) may have a thread that keeps track of all of the ROM's that are made for the phone, well, this is that thread, except it just links to The Wingster, because that serves the purpose!
It helps to eliminate people asking, where can I find this ROM, etc. Everything's organized by operating system...etc. XDA is great, but some of the ROM threads can be tough to find, because they're not all on the first page, etc. I'm just facilitating the proccess!
You get it? Or did you not even want a detailed response, and I went over the top?
Night,
Andrew
(I used "etc" a lot in that paragraph, lol)
I think wingster is a good idea, also for the chefs. Im offering you free webhosting for it. If your interested, just pm me mate.
Greets,
Dennis
kable said:
I stopped watching TV because of all the infomercials...
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Oooooooo.... You gonna take that Ace???
Just kidding! LOL.
All jokes aside, there have been many a cab/info and such found on Wingster
i would like to say thanks for the website. it was the first site i went to and then i realized i had an account here because of my shadow. the organization of the roms and apps are unparalled as well as useful. keep up the good work.
humm, no dotcompt DeepShining Rom
He cant do everything!!!
It is a very helpful website.
I have been using thewingster.com for several months now and found it extremely easy and useful. Thanks for your time and effort keeping it updated.
empds said:
humm, no dotcompt DeepShining Rom
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I'll add that ROM soon. I'm sorry I haven't been around here lately, I've been figuring stuff out in my life, and all is well now!
I missed the forums Thanks to all the amazing chefs that work every day cooking the ROM's we live by!
ace10134 said:
I'll add that ROM soon. I'm sorry I haven't been around here lately, I've been figuring stuff out in my life, and all is well now!
I missed the forums Thanks to all the amazing chefs that work every day cooking the ROM's we live by!
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Noticed you weren't around as much in the ENRG thread.
ace10134 said:
I'll add that ROM soon. I'm sorry I haven't been around here lately, I've been figuring stuff out in my life, and all is well now!
I missed the forums Thanks to all the amazing chefs that work every day cooking the ROM's we live by!
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Glad things are working in your favor. Just wanted to say thank you for the work on the website. Haven't used it, but since I was informed by this thread, I will make use of that resource.
Dear All:
A quick look on Rhodium main page will show that there are few active rom designers in town. According to so many people, NRGZ28 leads the design of WM6.5 for Rhodium (and some other devices) because of his skills and remarkable talent at times when other rom bakers are barely able to assemble a program here and a patch there to a WM6.5 build.
Yet, NRGZ28 has gone against almost all other rom designers by keeping his rom for public and not imposing silly mean rules for download for people. Why?
This is because NRGZ28 remains a great person and a talented chef.
I invite everyone to thank NRGZ28 for his work and his gentle devotion to help others. Let this thread be about how many people like NRGZ28 for his talent and his kindness.
I also add that I had the chance to interface with NRGZ28 indirectly and I was amazed that he was cooperative on few matters so I want to thank him personally and warmly for his understanding and coopeartion.
Samer.
NRGZ28
I am a big fan of his work...have thanked him and also donated ...I really hope everyone else also shows appreciation and this thread becomes longer than his ROM threads with appreciation and donations!!!!
will a mod please close this!!
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will a mod please close this!!
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any particular reason?
Every user has their own choice of what they like in their ROMs and find some a certain Chef's ROM better to their liking than other Chefs.
I will take your silly rule comment personally since I am one of those chefs with the silly rules.
Many chef's in this forum have their own silly rules for whatever the case may be.
For myself, I release enough stuff without any silly rules. If I want to put extra time and making something extra nice for people who are active members of the community and/or donated to me that is my choice and I do it as my way of saying thanks for being so considerate of the time I put in. More than 70% of the people I email my private ROMs about have not donated and are just active members of the community. Who do not give a thanks that you are looking for with NRG.
Another reason is because of the lack of a thanks for the type of ROMs I do not even use myself. For the same reason you stated about showing a thanks to NRG is the one of the reasons I have my own system. I am sure other chefs feel the same way too.
I can think of 4 off hand that have "silly rules" for their own reasons.
The only best design in town is what the user prefers. I am sure many people will say Tom, myself, Ark666, itje, udk and any other chef is the best design in town. So to make a comment like that is just "silly" since your tastes are not reflected by everyone else.
>Samer
All rom customizers will be happy and continue their work here as long it can be if all custom rom user has behaviour like you. Not like other users whose like critics, complaints, request this, request that, asking this and that, like a boss. fcuk!
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any particular reason?
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Cause it looks like you are trying to start trouble...should we have a thread about every chef and giving thanks?
Ever think some chefs page views are bigger cause there are more bugs so people are going back or they release ROMs very often to correct bugs or that is what they like to do by releasing ROMs often?
At0mAng
Hi, which one is you in the avatar? left or right?
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Hi, which one is you in the avatar? left or right?
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hehe Looking at it my brain is on the left
Samer,
At0mAng is correct. Chef appreciation threads will soon degrade into fighting. I know your intentions are good, but this thread won't bring much to the community.
Thread Closed.
Dave
My galaxy nexus will continue running CyanogenMod for losing surport of OmniRom nightly build.
As CM11.0 is becoming more and more stable,I believe the nightly will coming soon.
We are gutted.
CM Nightlies arent our yet and IT IS BECOMING MORE N MORE STABLE :banghead:
What wait?
So OMNIROM no longer pledge support for Gnex?
Was looking for a 4.4 Kitkat rom from omni guess not...
No maintainer has a Galaxy Nexus. Give us a Galaxy Nexus (or find a maintainer with a Galaxy Nexus), and you'll have 4.4 nightlies.
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No maintainer has a Galaxy Nexus. Give us a Galaxy Nexus (or find a maintainer with a Galaxy Nexus), and you'll have 4.4 nightlies.
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Ahhh but does that totally rule out Omni for Gnex?
In terms of the final 4.4 release?
qf19910623 said:
My galaxy nexus will continue running CyanogenMod for losing surport of OmniRom nightly build.
As CM11.0 is becoming more and more stable,I believe the nightly will coming soon.
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I'm horrified at how many gnex users whine about omni not having a maintainer... Let all the whiners go to CM, good riddance. If all of you gnex users put as much energy in learning to maintain your own device as you do complaining, you'd probably have a stable release by now.
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Ahhh but does that totally rule out Omni for Gnex?
In terms of the final 4.4 release?
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Blind development is impossible. The device won't be supported until someone from the community steps up and supports it.
There might be an existing maintainer with some spare bandwidth to support one of the gnex variants if provided a device - I personally don't have the time for it.
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I'm horrified at how many gnex users whine about omni not having a maintainer... Let all the whiners go to CM, good riddance. If all of you gnex users put as much energy in learning to maintain your own device as you do complaining, you'd probably have a stable release by now.
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Yup. The best way to get a device supported is to work in it yourself!
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Yup. The best way to get a device supported is to work in it yourself!
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... or donate one to a developer.
I personally never understood all these demands to ROM developers. It's not like we're paying them to do it and support it or anything. Must be the new entitlement generation... (Generation E, if you will).
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... or donate one to a developer.
I personally never understood all these demands to ROM developers. It's not like we're paying them to do it and support it or anything. Must be the new entitlement generation... (Generation E, if you will).
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People learning a new skill is by far the better way IMO.
By donating devices to someone, you:
1) Potentially eliminate the opportunity for someone else to do the bringup and gain skills
2) Potentially cause that developer to burn out in the long run - that is why I personally won't be taking on any additional devices for quite a while. I'm spread way too thin as it is.
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I'm horrified at how many gnex users whine about omni not having a maintainer... Let all the whiners go to CM, good riddance. If all of you gnex users put as much energy in learning to maintain your own device as you do complaining, you'd probably have a stable release by now.
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u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
anurag.dev1512 said:
u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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Google is ur friend my dear friend.. There are several tutorials that would help u to help build kernels n roms from source...
anurag.dev1512 said:
u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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How do you think we learned ROM development?
anurag.dev1512 said:
u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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And I'm sick of people being lazy, so...
If developers on here took the time to help every newbie out there, they wouldn't have any time to do what they do FOR FREE. Yes, you read that right. FREE. The real devs don't ask for donations. The real devs do this on their spare time, out of sheer devotion to the device and the technology. Not because some guy in the boondocks is requesting a feature or a bug fix. They all learned the hard way and SOME do give their time... And their knowledge. They just do it in a strategic way: By documenting on knowledgebases, wikis, articles, forums, etc.
So learn to google, learn to search, learn to learn. That's the TRUE spirit of XDA right there... Not what some of the forums are becoming: Harassment from impatient users who want it all right now for nothing. No offense intended, but "newbs" are only newbs because they choose to be. All the necessary information is out there. And if it's not, and you can show a proper breadcrumb of what you've done to get there, some dev somewhere can see the effort and help out. MAYBE.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to repo sync.
BAM.
karendar said:
And I'm sick of people being lazy, so...
If developers on here took the time to help every newbie out there, they wouldn't have any time to do what they do FOR FREE. Yes, you read that right. FREE. The real devs don't ask for donations. The real devs do this on their spare time, out of sheer devotion to the device and the technology. Not because some guy in the boondocks is requesting a feature or a bug fix. They all learned the hard way and SOME do give their time... And their knowledge. They just do it in a strategic way: By documenting on knowledgebases, wikis, articles, forums, etc.
So learn to google, learn to search, learn to learn. That's the TRUE spirit of XDA right there... Not what some of the forums are becoming: Harassment from impatient users who want it all right now for nothing. No offense intended, but "newbs" are only newbs because they choose to be. All the necessary information is out there. And if it's not, and you can show a proper breadcrumb of what you've done to get there, some dev somewhere can see the effort and help out. MAYBE.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to repo sync.
BAM.
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I've answered tons of questions in IRC... I've documented as much as I can why particular changes are made. However, there's a category of questions that fall into "handholding" because they're easily Googleable, or they are related to skills which can't be easily taught - they can only be learned by doing.
The problem is that every device is different, and the things you need to do in order to get one working are different for every device. If someone has a weird issue and a really esoteric log entry, then it's valid to ask if anyone has seen something similar (although you should Google first).
Learning to be a device maintainer is a long and difficult and frustrating process. Even if you're very experienced and familiar with Android, it requires immense amounts of patience and tons of time reading source code and reading through commit logs. There's no easy step-by-step recipe - it's all about developing troubleshooting and analysis skills, and those are best learned by doing.
Now there are some developers who do a poor job of documenting things - commit messages that are completely uninformative, unrelated changes made in a single commit, etc. - Most contributors to our gerrit know that such practices are a good way to get a -1 from me. (See my sig for a link to some general good practices...)
just listen....
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How do you think we learned ROM development?
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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karendar said:
And I'm sick of people being lazy, so...
If developers on here took the time to help every newbie out there, they wouldn't have any time to do what they do FOR FREE. Yes, you read that right. FREE. The real devs don't ask for donations. The real devs do this on their spare time, out of sheer devotion to the device and the technology. Not because some guy in the boondocks is requesting a feature or a bug fix. They all learned the hard way and SOME do give their time... And their knowledge. They just do it in a strategic way: By documenting on knowledgebases, wikis, articles, forums, etc.
So learn to google, learn to search, learn to learn. That's the TRUE spirit of XDA right there... Not what some of the forums are becoming: Harassment from impatient users who want it all right now for nothing. No offense intended, but "newbs" are only newbs because they choose to be. All the necessary information is out there. And if it's not, and you can show a proper breadcrumb of what you've done to get there, some dev somewhere can see the effort and help out. MAYBE.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to repo sync.
BAM.
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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I've answered tons of questions in IRC... I've documented as much as I can why particular changes are made. However, there's a category of questions that fall into "handholding" because they're easily Googleable, or they are related to skills which can't be easily taught - they can only be learned by doing.
The problem is that every device is different, and the things you need to do in order to get one working are different for every device. If someone has a weird issue and a really esoteric log entry, then it's valid to ask if anyone has seen something similar (although you should Google first).
Learning to be a device maintainer is a long and difficult and frustrating process. Even if you're very experienced and familiar with Android, it requires immense amounts of patience and tons of time reading source code and reading through commit logs. There's no easy step-by-step recipe - it's all about developing troubleshooting and analysis skills, and those are best learned by doing.
Now there are some developers who do a poor job of documenting things - commit messages that are completely uninformative, unrelated changes made in a single commit, etc. - Most contributors to our gerrit know that such practices are a good way to get a -1 from me. (See my sig for a link to some general good practices...)
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Honestly Entropy, you're one of the developers which I love following in the forums. Your interventions are always informative, you've got a great logic and even though sometimes you can be quite prompt in your way of answering, it's always justified. I have no doubt that you've helped many people and I'm sure your approach is always a "teach a man to fish" approach. I respect you very much, as I do other developers of similar nature, and I felt you should know this. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to reading other post from you.
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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You haven't taken the time to read what I've written. Don't generalize and re-read what I've said and what Entropy said...
This is the last intervention I'll do on this thread, as the point is now moot.
ya i know..
karendar said:
Honestly Entropy, you're one of the developers which I love following in the forums. Your interventions are always informative, you've got a great logic and even though sometimes you can be quite prompt in your way of answering, it's always justified. I have no doubt that you've helped many people and I'm sure your approach is always a "teach a man to fish" approach. I respect you very much, as I do other developers of similar nature, and I felt you should know this. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to reading other post from you.
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You haven't taken the time to read what I've written. Don't generalize and re-read what I've said and what Entropy said...
This is the last intervention I'll do on this thread, as the point is now moot.
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its really hard to see your true self...
anurag.dev1512 said:
i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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anurag.dev1512 said:
u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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I'm not a dev, but I would think statements like this really discourage them.
I do have a GNex that I haven't had luck selling. Was thinking about donating to Omni devs since they don't seem to have one. However, am having second thoughts if it makes it seem like people who whine and complain get what they want because they whine and complain.
@ Devs: PM me if you are interested in me sending a Verizon GNex to you for ROM development.
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its really hard to see your true self...
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Truer words have never been spoken.
Now please discontinue your whine, women & song and leave.
I'm just another enthusiast of Phone customization, such as custom ROMS, Kernels, Tweaks and so on.
I also make some mods and apps as tools i use. Should i post them? idk, i don't really have a lot of different devices to ensure their correct functionality.
Currently working on? Not a tool really, i took a time to make a mod of a forbidden HTML5 game engine, fixing lots of flaws and adding neccesary features, also learning game developement in the process.
Hi Andrew! Welcome to the community!
Part of xda-developers is to share and learn new things. I am sure that the mods and apps you made may as well come in handy for other people in here in some way or another, who knows
I wish you a great stay!