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Please report your GPS experience

For the lucky people who got their Kaisers already, would you please report your experience regarding the built-in GPS please specially the initial cold fix as it was very slow with the Trinity P3600

TomTom 6.030 does not work, instead you have to install the TT version 6.0.32 from the accompanying CD. The first fix (after QuickGPS ran) was almost instaneaous and a lot faster than on the Athena.

Agreed; and, at least in Google Maps, the position is more accurate than the Ameo.

For batterie Life
Hello,
Can you post hte comment of batterie life when you use the GPS.
For example: the phone
the telephone is load completely (100% full batterie) and when you use 1 hour of gps
how much battery it remains?
Thanks.
Private69.
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Pfff TyTN II has 5 to 7 satellites reception on the dinnertable in the living room where the x7500 does not receive anything. Not bad for a Qualcomm GPS that supposedly is less good as the Sirf III ...

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Pfff TyTN II has 5 to 7 satellites reception on the dinnertable in the living room where the x7500 does not receive anything. Not bad for a Qualcomm GPS that supposedly is less good as the Sirf III ...
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sorry for a stupid question, do u use tomtom 6 to check the number of satellites? i cant get my gps to start working at all.

Wiz said:
TomTom 6.030 does not work, instead you have to install the TT version 6.0.32 from the accompanying CD. The first fix (after QuickGPS ran) was almost instaneaous and a lot faster than on the Athena.
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Am running 6.030 now!
Don't ask me how or why but it's working fine.
Joe

I now verified that on TT6.030 you have to use "Other NMEA GPS/4800Bd/Com 4: and on TT6.032 you can stay with "Internal GPS"
In any case, TT6.032 with "Internal GPS" the fix is aqcuired a lot faster than on TT6.030
TT6.032 is supplied with the TyTNN II on the accompanying CDRom
(TT6.032 incidentally does not allow itself to be installed on any other device, the installer prevents that, but after installation on the TyTN II, the directory can be copied to for instance the x7500 to replace the old installation there, and it will work fine. My first impression is that also on the x7500 with TT6.032 the fix is faster, but I still need to run the "dinner table test" )

its working fine now after i installed the version on the cd. thanks. my MapKing chinese version also working, GREAT!

When you use tt6.32 from the CD, can you use any tt6 map? or is it locked to 1 map only?
Can you have multiple maps with the tt6.32 from the CD?

Can you confirm that the version supplied with TyTn II i.e., TomTom 6.0.32, is a FULL version ? Licences? or is it a taster and you have to pay to register it as a full version? If it is full, does it come with Great Britain Maps (full) or you have to download them? In case of download, is it free?
Thanks

The CD version of TT 6.032 that comes with the Kaiser is as full as an update one would dowload from TomTom. There is no code. There are no maps either. One can download one area map (f.i. London) for free, but no country or continent maps are added. Those will have to be purchased separately.
If you install it on top of an already installed and registered TT6.0x0, it will not ask for a new code. Any old registration will remain valid.
On another note, sitting side by side in my car, I noticed that the x7500's GPS reception was a lot more consistent then the TyTNN II's. The TyTN II may acquire its fix a lot faster, but on the whole, the x7500's reception is better (even though my "dinner table test" would lead to believe otherwise) and more consistent.
While my x7500 had a permanent reception of 9-10 satellites (albeit with shorter bars) the TyTN II was jumping up and down between 3 and 7 satellites.

I currently use my Hermes in an 'in car' holder, with a bluetooth GPS reciever face up in the window. One thing that I would like to know, is that if I was to get a Kaiser and put it into my car holder, surely the orientation of the GPS reciever inside the Kaiser would be 'end on' to the sky, and the satelites.
This must affect performance?

I got mine this morning. Took me quite a while to get GPS working -- had to do a hard reset. It's now working with Route 66, which I used to use on my Wizard.
GPS data seems a bit bursty -- when I was viewing it with GPSViewer, I'd get a bunch of NMEA strings, then nothing for several seconds, then another burst.

Hum..seems to be same issue than Paul from Modaco :
"The GPS bug seems to occur with some applications whereby the GPS 'data stream' will pause for a few seconds at a time, which makes some apps think the GPS has gone away (e.g. Google Maps) and other apps just update in sudden jumps rather than smoothly." ?
Seems that HTC did not fix it in the final ROM.
Do you know if HTC is aware of this issue and plan to fix it ?
Thanks

don't know if i've encountered the bug but here's my situation: i cannot get the GPS Hardware Port (or COM) settings to "stick" after changing them. for example i can change GPS Program Port and it will stick but changing the Hardware Port and clicking OK has no impact. if i reopen the GPS settings, the Hardware Port shows "(NONE)". and this is after 4 hard resets. funny thing is that is worked when i initially set up my device, then all of a sudden, TT6 was reporting "No GPS Device"... it may be time to pack it up and return it for a replacement... any suggestions would be appreciated.
Update: Followed Paul's (on Modaco) suggestion to leave the default settings and now GPS is working.

Which Navigation programs work in landscape mode???

for those of you with a Tytn II, are you able to modify the GPS Hardware COM port from one setting to another? the fact that mine says "(NONE)" is leading me to believe i have a hardware defective unit. thanks.

Kaiser and mapking 2007
ive tried mapking 07 on kaiser and it doesnt work. It juz cannot pinpoint the location that I am at. I wonder if its the software problem??

I installed TOM-TOM from the HTC CD and it has worked with out problems, even installed US MAPS from another Tom-Tom CD I have from the original version. Only problem so far, once I was using it and received an SMS message and it locked up. Had to restart. Receiving email is fine but the SMS message freaked it out.

Destinator 6 gps problem ( internal)

Hi, i work everyday yesterday and today trying to make the destinator 6 work,
I use the duttýs feb.08 rom and radio i also try a lot, i am using now, the 1.58.21.23 NIKI
The problem is i can found the Gps port with destination configurations on COM4, 115200 , NMEA but WHEN I PUT IN THE SCREEN TO FIND THE GPS POSITIONS, I READ A MESSAGE " GPS ANTENNA NOT FOUND"
I only make it work emulating the gps position with FRASON GPSGATE .
I think the problem is the time or delay of antennas, what ca i do?
NOTE: AFTER A DESINSTALL THE FRASON GPS GATE I DO A HARD RESET.
tHANKS
FLAVIO MARTINS
SAO PAULO-SP
BRAZIL

any news?
Anyone have any news?

Flavio,
I installed destinator 6.1 and I'm having the same problem. It finds the GPs and keep changing from " GPS Antenna found" and "GPS Antenna not found" in each 2 seconds.
Is it the same problem that you are having?

I'm using Confused Stu's Windows Vista 1.3 Cooked Rom with Radio Ver 1.65.14.06 and Destinator 6 works perfectly
C

I'm using Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 5.2.19716/5.2.19700
Destinator 7 work fine (downloaded a trial version) but id doesn`t have the language that I need, so I rather use Destinator 6.
Tried several versions of this ROM (Cube, no Cube and lite) and in everyone the same thing happens: It keep changing from "GPS Antenna found" "GPS Antenna nof found" every 3 seconds.
I think I gonna try one WM6.0 ROM to see if it works. I'll try Sleuth 1.2 first, than Confused Stu's Windows Vista 1.3 Cooked Rom.
Thanks

Try 6.0 NOT 6.1
Hi everyone,
This is my first post here and I would like to share my experience with the WM6.1 update and Destinator. I had been using an Asus n30 and for that to work I had to install Destinator 6.1.1 otherwise it would loose GPS etc. When I tried the same 6.1.1 update on my Kaiser (Vodafone version) with WM6.0 it worked basically but when I drove at higher speeds above 140-160 km/h (here in Germany this is quite a normal speed on the highway) the display would freeze and stop updating and I would no longer get voice instructions from Destinator.
So I had the crazy idea to update to WM6.1 to fix this...Big mistake...at first
Well as you have also found out it made things worse and I got the "GPS Antenna not Connected" issue.
I was able to solve my problem after a lot of tinkering with different radios and two ROM images one from Vodafone UK (3.28) and the last ROM posted from Dutty - which I am using now great stuff! both are WM6.1. What helped solve the problem was to revert back to Destinator 6.0 i.e. the original version from the CD-Rom that I had bought. After deleting the 6.1.1 version and installing 6.0 everything was fine no more "GPS antenna not connected" and no more freezes even when driving at over 200 km/h (130 Mph).
My guess is that the 6.1.1 update was optimized for slower devices like my n30 but the measures taken in that update that made slower PDAs work with WM3 SE were counter productive under a more modern OS like WM6.x
Even though this took me 3 days and a lot of head scratching to figure out I am very happy I did go through this process. Now thanks to this great community I have learned to flash Hard SPLs, change my ROMs as I please and as a result I have a much more powerful Kaiser . All of this despite what the lady at the Vodafone hotline told e "you can not use an update from the UK...or from HTC" ha ha .
I hope this may help some of the other users who have destinator 6 trouble.
Cheers
htpcman

Kaiser Problems
i have an htc 8900 series(its called the ATT tilt in the States, i think its called the Kaiser everywhere else) and i'm having problems with WM6 and desitnator 6. i installed it as instructed and when i try to open the program it seems like it tries to open it, but nothing happens and i get taken back to the today screen. i've even uninstalled the program and sent all the installation files from my ASUS 696 via bluetooth to my phone's card, but that didn't work either. Dest 6 works perfectly on the ASUS.
On my phone, GPS settings are Program port Com4, GPS hardware port (none), baud rate 4800. And the phone will not let me change the baud rate or the hardward port. It doesnt' save my changes. ANy help is appreciated.
Thanks

TomTom lower than 6.032 = Smooth?

My friend and I both have Tilts running the following:
HardSPL 3.56
Death V4.1
Radio 1.58.16.24
The only difference between the two phones, is that I used the cab widely available here for TomTom and he bought a full fledged copy on DVD.
When I go to use my phone for navigation everything is choppy like so many others, but he showed me a route demo and it's smooth as the Magician in the htcclassaction.org demonstration video. I can't figure out how it's so smooth though. He's not using the "D3D drivers", either, so I'm at a loss.
His TomTom is 6.01 with 6.01 USA and Canada
Any ideas as to why / how TomTom got around the choppyness of DirectDraw?

Nothing at all?

I think this could be very important for DirectDraw and 2D acceleration if someone could figure this out

What I found when running TomTom on my Tytn II is that if you disable all the POIs from showing on the map while you are navigating then the software runs very smoothly.
If you use any speed cam warnings etc these still show up on the map as you navigate but it has no impact on the speed etc.
Let me know how that works.
Paul.

What about differences in the speeds of the SD cards? What do you have and what does he have? There have been reports that the 4GB and higher capacity cards cause Tom Tom to run slow.

how is it laggy?

Err...could this be the old Windoze analogy???
Increase of version = extra stuff to do???
Like early version just drew maps,,,new version waits for you to talk to it, checks traffic draws more items and still wants to work on same memory and processor???

you disable all the POIs from showing on the map while you are navigating then the software runs very smoothly.
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I'm sure glad to have seen this post. I've posted on 2-3 different forums, including teh TomTom support forum here; I've Called TomTom support...all to no avail.
This fixed my problem.
how is it laggy?
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Go in and check a dozen or so POIs to display while driving, and I suspect you'll find out. Map was jerky; I could make a turn, and be a half block down the road before it know I had turned.

I have an 8GB Sandisk MicroSDHC card and he has a 4GB Sandisk MicroSD card. I'm going to try disabling POIs, but I don't think that's it.

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I have an 8GB Sandisk MicroSDHC card and he has a 4GB Sandisk MicroSD card. I'm going to try disabling POIs, but I don't think that's it.
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Disabling POIs sped up TomTom IMMENSELY. Thanks for the info.

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Disabling POIs sped up TomTom IMMENSELY. Thanks for the info.
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You're welcome.
I have a 4gb micro sd card and the speed has nothing to do with the size or speed of the card.
I wonder if the video of the 2 machines on the class action lawsuit website had the Tytn II displaying all the POIs.
I think they would be a bit embarrassed if that turns out to be the case
I think the problem is just TomToms laggy software rather than the PDA
Paul.

firstandlast said:
You're welcome.
I have a 4gb micro sd card and the speed has nothing to do with the size or speed of the card.
I wonder if the video of the 2 machines on the class action lawsuit website had the Tytn II displaying all the POIs.
I think they would be a bit embarrassed if that turns out to be the case
I think the problem is just TomToms laggy software rather than the PDA
Paul.
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I wouldn't be surprised. TomTom has always been smooth and lag-free for me, even with the stock HTC shipped ROM.
I forget which versions I've used, but I think it was:
6.02?
6.030 (or 6.032? I can't remember)
7.450 (the latest TTN7)
Well, at least video is smooth. I had sound issues with 6.030/32 and TTN7 that did not occur with the first version I used.

As you can see by my current sig (although soon to change) I'm using the latest HTC WM 6.1 ROM and 1.65.17.56 Radio with the correct 3.28.0000 SPL and I get very laggy GPS performance full-stop. It's not necessarily jerky (although on occasion where lots of movement such as going around a roundabout occurs, it can be) but it is very laggy. By this I mean I can be sitting in the train stationary and from the train starting to move and Tomtom Navigator actually registering movement/speed, it can take up to 25 seconds - and this is with a reasonable signal reception averaging 3 or more bars the whole time. I put this down to the actual GPS perfomance of the Radio module driver. Tomtoms call centre in the UK advised me that TTN Version 6.032 (the HTC official version) isn't actually supported under WM 6.1, only the original WM 6.0 O/S so guess what's happening to my TyTN II later this week at the HTC repair centre.... I'll be so pleased not to have to put up with rubbish GPS performance anymore. Next time I'll only upgrade to WM 6.1 once I get the all clear that they've fixed their WM 6.1 ROM/Radio combination.
Oh and I have tried TT 6.10 when Tomtom were first attempting to work out why their software was playing up after the WM 6.1 upgrade (they provided me with a free 'crossgrade' for faultfinding purposes) and I fould in terms of smoothness, it was identical to 6.032. I went back to 6.032 because 6.10 didn't have fully working customised things like jog button volume control, volume change screen indication and native inbuilt 'internal' GPS setting. The start menu also misbehaved or the physical Windows button on the phone wouldn't work properly when TTN was running, something like that - altogether not as 'Kaiser friendly'.

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Disabling POIs sped up TomTom IMMENSELY. Thanks for the info.
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Perhaps this works with Navigon, too. Gonna try that later

I am using TTN 6.032 on the latest WM 6.1 with a maximum of POIs enabled and it runs smoothly.

I've tried a version lower than 6.032, and based on my personal experience it didn't really make a difference. As long as you turn off the POI the TT will run like crazy, and plus the lower version is not as user friendly as the 6.032, or even better V.7, that's if V.7 will accept the maps from V.6, just my 2 cents.

Flying Kiwi said:
As you can see by my current sig (although soon to change) I'm using the latest HTC WM 6.1 ROM and 1.65.17.56 Radio with the correct 3.28.0000 SPL and I get very laggy GPS performance full-stop. It's not necessarily jerky (although on occasion where lots of movement such as going around a roundabout occurs, it can be) but it is very laggy. By this I mean I can be sitting in the train stationary and from the train starting to move and Tomtom Navigator actually registering movement/speed, it can take up to 25 seconds - and this is with a reasonable signal reception averaging 3 or more bars the whole time. I put this down to the actual GPS perfomance of the Radio module driver. Tomtoms call centre in the UK advised me that TTN Version 6.032 (the HTC official version) isn't actually supported under WM 6.1, only the original WM 6.0 O/S so guess what's happening to my TyTN II later this week at the HTC repair centre.... I'll be so pleased not to have to put up with rubbish GPS performance anymore. Next time I'll only upgrade to WM 6.1 once I get the all clear that they've fixed their WM 6.1 ROM/Radio combination.
Oh and I have tried TT 6.10 when Tomtom were first attempting to work out why their software was playing up after the WM 6.1 upgrade (they provided me with a free 'crossgrade' for faultfinding purposes) and I fould in terms of smoothness, it was identical to 6.032. I went back to 6.032 because 6.10 didn't have fully working customised things like jog button volume control, volume change screen indication and native inbuilt 'internal' GPS setting. The start menu also misbehaved or the physical Windows button on the phone wouldn't work properly when TTN was running, something like that - altogether not as 'Kaiser friendly'.
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Google "static navigation". The oddball performance at low speeds (such as lag from a stop) is not TomTom's fault. It's a setting in the GPS receiver that (unfortunately) can't be disabled on the Kaiser.

How to tell TomTom is actually using QuickGPS?

Hi
Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
Thanks
Dan

Timed testing?
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Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
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When the HTC TyTN II WWE WM 6.1 upgrade that wasn't first came out and GPS performance fell through the floor, there was speculation that QuickGPS wasn't doing its thing and that this was (at least part of) the reason for the very poor GPS performance and extended times to get a lock. Short of timed testing to achieve a satelite lock which isn't conclusive, I'm not aware of a way to prove that the data is being used by Tomtom or any other navigation software but it might be worth reviewing/searching among some of those past threads on the topic. Theres also alot of discussion in the Raphael forum about poor GPS performance on some Touch Pro devices and some of that is at 'nuts and bolts' level.
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
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Yes it is. Have a read of the Kaiser GPS Enhancement Guide for some general information in this field but a seach should also yield LOTS on the topic.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
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I had it suggested to me (by HTC) to use the latter and configure the port manually but after much trialling this, I found it didn't fix the problem of poor GPS performance and as far as I was concerned was a waste of time. Given the version of Tomtom Navigator 6.032 was a special one co-developed with HTCs assistance for their devices, I cant see why changing away from 'Internal' should be benificial. In the end my slow fix fix only came with reverting to WM 6.0 for me. I believe some later WM 6.1 ROM/Radio/SPL combinations now offer GPS performance which is much better than earlier WM 6.1 implementations but as these aren't (yet) available through HTCs UK website for my device and I know what I currently have works very well, I'm staying with the official WM 6.0 setup for now. My device is out of warranty, so one day I may try another setup for comparison (say the latest Hong Kong WWE ROM/Radio/SPL).

Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working

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Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working
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Have you seen this thread about Hopeless GPS after WM 6.1 update yet? Since you're in the UK I'm interested to know how your GPS under WM 6.1 with your fairly new Radio is performing. What sort of times do you get standing still out in the open to get a 'cold' satelite lock? Have you tested with that 1.71xxxx eMO Radio as well? I believe the SPL version can also make a difference to GPS performance but I don't know any more about why that is.

In the last couple of days I've tried the 1.70.19.09 and 1.70.18.02 radios. They seem to have a much better GPS performance than 1.58.25.17 which I was on before. It's only been a couple of days though so I can't be 100%

How to tweak to the maximum the Kaiser GPS?

Hello there,
I bought a week ago a second hand kaiser, and i noticed that it already had the hyper dragon IV lite rom flashed, so i told myself, all the hard work is done, go try some custom roms.
And I did, there was some lite ones, some plenty of softwares, some 6.5, but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
So, in order to be a more independant guy, i searched, and i searched again, i found some useful threads that made my gps work (because it almost wasn't working i bought it), and some others that made GPSTest display high bars on gps detecting but no fix at all (it also screwed my signal, and fu**** up my camera, and that's bad), all that by changing radio roms and trying.
And well i am very tired of trying again and again, feel just like if i was stuck in the middle of nowhere.
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
I'm living at Brussel in belgium, living in the 5th floor, and testing my gps close to window, or i go to a parc 10 minutes away from home.
I am ready to try almost everything that can guis ALL of US to have a better GPS!

This works for me.
neolander said:
but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
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I can relate to that as they are both near the top of my priority list too.
<long tales of perserverance snipped>
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
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I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
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As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
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I don't (need to) use that software as GPS performs fine without it on my setup.
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.

I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.

Flying Kiwi said:
In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
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Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
I dont have any film on my windows
Flying Kiwi said:
Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
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Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
Flying Kiwi said:
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
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Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
tilt8925kaiser said:
I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
And like a i said i'll give Igo a shot too
Thank you for your interest, thanks for answering me
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Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again

More than enough to go on
neolander said:
Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I don't understand what you're getting at. The precise setup in my signature works really well for GPS. If you flash all those components and aren't to far away from the UK, I imagine it'll work well for you - there's no harm in trying.
Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
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The map for my 'old' version of TomTom was on special offer (Western Europe 6.75) so you may well pick up a bargain.
I dont have any film on my windows
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I was just kidding about lead lined walls and metalised film covered windows (although many new cars these days have metalised windscreens, so if it doesn't work in your car that may be why).
Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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Thats because you've not read the relevant ROM Flashing wiki's and stickies enough to know that you must use a WM 6.0 Radio with a WM 6.0 ROM. I suggest you spend more time revising things in this area as it WILL be time well spent and you'll learn more about your device.
Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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Thats one of the links in the relavant section have a look at the TomTom Section around two thirds down the Kaiser wiki
I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
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Well you needent. All the details of what works best (as far as stock components go) are in my sig and as Belgium isn't far from the UK, I cant see why it shouldn't work well for you also
Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
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You did read the part in the wiki about making sure you have a WM 6.0 compatible SPL version didn't you (SPL questions? section covers it well). Again, you need ALL the bits in my sig (note that I don't need or use GPStest under this WM 6.0 setup). I cant say how it'll go with other than TomTom 6 as thats all I've used apart from Google Maps which also works very well on this setup - you might want to try the free Google Maps for testing purposes if you have a data package from your network provider.
I got my current setup by flashing hardSPL 1 then the complete ROM shown in my sig (which came with 1.27.12.11 Radio originally) then upgrading the radio to 1.27.12.32, then flashing the HTC 1.93 spl (this last step shouldn't be necessary though if you think you'll be doing more flashing).

I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible. I can see it getting signal from a number of sats but it can take 10minutes to lock in sometimes. I've read some threads on the subject, and have tried Quick GPS and have aGPS off, but neither guarantees a quick lock.
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.

WM 6.1 GPS - standard stuff
dman7777 said:
I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible.
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OK - no surprises there then....
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
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You mean like the setup in my signature? You do realise it's possible to go back to this if you read up here on xda-dev about how to do so?
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
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I agree, short of trying a custom WM 6.1 ROM, with no guarantee of success or installing third party apps to 'help' the GPS work properly, IMO WM 6.1 is a lost cause as far as GPS is concerned.

I had the same problems with the GPS, what I've found to work is using a program called GPSToday. there are 2 programs, one is a today plugin, and the other is a program. I use the program, and it really makes a difference for me. If you do a search in the Kaiser software forum, you will find more information about it. I use it with TomTom software, i start GPS today a min or 2 before i start tomtom and i get a fix right away.
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Great News from Here
I Managed to get my phone configured exactly like yours, and god! It is damnly fast, i got my first fix within seconds, its almost unbelievable !
I had it configured like that when you first advised, but i forgot to downgrade spl, i suppose that was the cause of the malfunctioning.
I really recommend to everyone who have the same priorities, to flash back to Flying Kiwi settings:
ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
ROM Date: 08/28/07
Radio: 1.27.12.32 (better than 1.27.12.11 with WMP)
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
SPL: 1.93
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Here is the threads that can help you :
For the SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
For downloading the 1.56.405.5 rom: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
For the 1.27.12.32 radio: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Radio
Man, you really were very helpful, thank you very very very much, and my kaiser is even faster with this settings.
If i can help by anyway send a pm please
This post should be made sticky for future information!
EDIT:
I have to Warn you Guys: In order to have the GPS working you have to follow this procedure:
Flash the 1.56.405.5 rom and then flash the 1.27.12.32 radio rom, and finally flash the SPL, otherwise GPS will not work, i just tested that

Did the Wm6.0 up/downgrade also resolve the precission of the GPS?
Iam now on WM6.1 WWE with radio 1.70.19.09 and hardSPL 3.56 with a realy fast GPS fix within 30 secs. no problems with that
But the problem is that I mention a little lag kind of thing when navigation with TT7 in my car. The Tomtom arrow is little bit behind with the reality it is usable though but if i connect it to an external sirfIII gps mouse it is more accurate.
So I wonder if you guys also have a slight GPS lag with WM6.0...
in Tomtom