You know what, i look at this forum everday hoping to improve my phone. I don't know anyone else who does this, and those that know I do think i'm mad.
All i'm trying to do is get a good sigal on my phone. I've tried flashing every radio ROM and and its time to face up to it... we'll never get a decent signal on these things.
I get two bars in my house. Just put my sim into a nokia n82 and its constantly on full bars! 3.5g too constantly.
Have I got a duff phone? or are all these HTC TDs just crap at what their primary purpose is ... to connect to a mobile network properley?
Shame. i'm thinking of buying an i900 Omnia instead, Is this any better for signal strength? maybe i should use my old nokia 2110 from the 90s. prob has a better battery still than the HTC TD!
Just out of curiosity... Why are you posting this as a new thread in the rom development forum?
I'm also looking for better signal strength... Have been ever since getting my diamond. I've also flashed all available radio roms... But this is (at least in my experience) quite common with these phones... After a couple of month (and a couple of version updates to radio roms) for the most part resolved...
The diamond is the first phone which give me full bars at my home. Using .05 radio.
No probs at all.
I understand your beef with eh signal man but this is not the correct place to voice your issue as this part of the forum is for ROM development.
Have you tried other Radios too?
To see 2 or 5 bars - it is a question of programming. This does not mean, you will have a "better" signal on a different device.
On the other hand, your handset can be also defected.
BTW I think this is not the right forum to post this problem.
Because i've been trying all the radio ROMS here and they don't seem to make any difference to the RF. Maybe battery power is improved. I read that elsewhere that the poor signal was just down to the ROM.
Does a Radio ROM exist that actually improves reception?
Thanks,
Mark
skrap3 said:
The diamond is the first phone which give me full bars at my home. Using .05 radio.
No probs at all.
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Really? maybe I have duff hardware? Sorry if i posted this in the wrong area (hangs head)
Any advise would be great though. Just flashing ROM .5 again . I've been usign .7 and .11 also .8 but nothing spectacullar. Duttys ROM is great for all else though. These phones would be nothing without xda developers!
Thanks again
Mark
Ya YOU are mad posting this on the ROM section!
Sergio PC said:
Ya YOU are mad posting this on the ROM section!
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Please can someone move this thread into another section? I don't think i'm going to be able to sleep otherwise!
goodnite. now u can sleep.
ps: jus cudnt stand seein u get mad on ur own!
I have a complete opposite exprience. Before i had orange i had no reception in my house. Neither with the sim in my diamond. I changed to hi/kpn and got 2 bars inside and 2 outdoors (with radio .03). With radio .05 2 bars inside and 3 bars outdoors. With .07 the same as .05 only faster gps fix. Now with .08 i have 3 bars inside and 4 outdoors.
ill sacrifice a bar or two ANY day to have the coolest device in the world. im almost batman!
mwatson said:
Really? maybe I have duff hardware? Sorry if i posted this in the wrong area (hangs head)
Any advise would be great though. Just flashing ROM .5 again . I've been usign .7 and .11 also .8 but nothing spectacullar. Duttys ROM is great for all else though. These phones would be nothing without xda developers!
Thanks again
Mark
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With duttys roms i always got gps issues, using swiftblades 6.0 lite now. I get a gps signal in my living room (near windows) which was not possible with older phones i used or with any of my girlfriends phones.
But i can tell you it was a hard way of trying roms and settings to get my diamond working nearly perfect.
I think its a good mix of a rom, radio and settings.
Only way is trying.
...its no advertise for the diamond. Its still a nice ppc but i prefer other devices.
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ill sacrifice a bar or two ANY day to have the coolest device in the world. im almost batman!
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I'm with you on this, if all we wanted was better reception we'ld never be buying these things. (Mine last almost a year at best) It's all about tweaking, playing & most of all coolness (My teenage kids will kill me)
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I found a password encoded file FARIA-3.2NETCF-JAVA-FLASH+MORE.rar on the FTP and am wondering which post refers to it. Anyone know? Faria? ;-)
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I found a password encoded file FARIA-3.2NETCF-JAVA-FLASH+MORE.rar on the FTP and am wondering which post refers to it. Anyone know? Faria? ;-)
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It's a work in progress that I and Faria are kicking around. Still has some bugs but it's the best 3.2 I've run so far. It's not available for public comsumption just yet. I WILL tell you that it's fully loaded and fast. My complaints with it are the same as with all the 3.2's that I've used, being that MS Voice won't run and most important, the phone sometimes just won't respond to the keys, like when I wanna hang up
Maybe it's just me but I've put 3.2 on three different 8125's and have had the phone not responding issueon all three, though I've only had this particular ROM on my current device.
I believe that if anyone can get it right it's Faria! And if he CAN deliver it, it'll knock the other ROM's outa tha water.
Sh1t!... maybe I said too much... my wife always indicates such!!!
Hmm. I smell a clue.
BTW, I'm now running a clean AKU3.2 of my own cooking based on ktamas distro with other stuff I've gleaned from here and elsewhere baked in for extra goodness Some of the tasty morsels include the ETEN dialer withOUT smartdialing support -- no smartdialing at all actually since it annoys me, AND this secret ingrediant that I'm trying out: the 2.47.11 GSM code available as RUU_Prodigy_024711_QTEK_WWE_RADIO.exe. So far I've got all bars w/ Cingular 8125 and no wierdness even with ActiveSync 4.5b passthru, EDGE concurrency, overclocked to 240, etc. but that's all in downtown Minneapolis. I'll be taking a trip this weekend to checkout it's low signal capabilities...
Hhmmm I am interested in the 2.47 Radio Rom, please keep me posted on how it works (and if it's better then the 2.25 Cingular (that sucks here in Amsterdam - Holland) or the 2.25 T-Mobile Radio Rom (that works a lot better then the Cingular 2.25 here in Amsterdam - Holland)).
Molski
hmm and where does one find this RUU_Prodigy_024711_QTEK_WWE_RADIO.exe do u believe its better then the 2.25 radio? cuz i only pull 1 bar in my house and sometimes it even cuts out and searches!
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hmm and where does one find this RUU_Prodigy_024711_QTEK_WWE_RADIO.exe do u believe its better then the 2.25 radio? cuz i only pull 1 bar in my house and sometimes it even cuts out and searches!
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You can find it on the XDA FTP in the Wizard section (or it was the Wizard upload section).
I am using it right now, but don't notice any difference....yet!
Molski
Seemed to work better during my trip to the country this weekend. No more bars but I think I got clearer reception with less drift than last time I was down there.
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It's a work in progress that I and Faria are kicking around. Still has some bugs but it's the best 3.2 I've run so far.
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Are you intend to build it with 30 MB of free memory?
At my work I looked at my Wizard and had only 1 BAR...but a few moments later it was 4 bars at exact the same spot, so maybe it was a sort of stand-by mode to save battery life. But yes indeed, it looks likes I also got a clearer reception with this Radio Rom.
Regards,
Molski
Wow. The 2.47 radio -- even though I've just flashed it -- looks awesome so far. I have 2-3, even 4 bars sometimes in my room and that's close to a miracle, as I hardly get any reception here, and if I do, it's only 2 bars max.
And it seems more directional. In marginal signal locations I find that simply turning the phone by 90 degreees seems to make a huge difference.
The 2.47 radio rom looks good so far. Nice stuff - can't wait for the new AKU3.2 rom fellas. I've been running customs since the first ones came out for the Wizard. Always looking for the latest and the greatest. Thanks.
Its slow, its buggy, the battery life is non-existent.
I haven't tried the cooked roms yet, but out of the box, with nothing installed.... its almost unusable, and I already had it for 3 weeks.
Pretty pathetic for a $800 phone.
Talk about speaking your mind
I do not own a Diamond device however i can tell you (with respect to ANY HTC device) that the ROM that it comes with is not the ROM you want to keep. Look into flashing and you should have a much more pleasing time with a vigorous device.
How odd.
I have mine for about 3 weeks now, batterylife is now about 3 days including 3G browsing, using TomTom, calling etc. (improved a lot since day 1, when it only last for 1 day)
Interface is very fast, its only slow when I close Opera after browsing for about 5 seconds, after that performs fast again.
It is running a cooked ROM though.
Very useful thread... one of many.
With some tweaks the HTC performs well. Even the battery.
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Talk about speaking your mind
I do not own a Diamond device however i can tell you (with respect to ANY HTC device) that the ROM that it comes with is not the ROM you want to keep. Look into flashing and you should have a much more pleasing time with a vigorous device.
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True, but my Prophet and Trinity were not anywhere close to the level of "suck" that this phone comes to.
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How odd.
I have mine for about 3 weeks now, batterylife is now about 3 days including 3G browsing, using TomTom, calling etc. (improved a lot since day 1, when it only last for 1 day)
Interface is very fast, its only slow when I close Opera after browsing for about 5 seconds, after that performs fast again.
It is running a cooked ROM though.
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3 days? which rom are you running?
Im down like 40-50% battery after an hour of music....
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Its slow, its buggy, the battery life is non-existent.
I haven't tried the cooked roms yet, but out of the box, with nothing installed.... its almost unusable, and I already had it for 3 weeks.
Pretty pathetic for a $800 phone.
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so what ? return for refund, i`ll keep mine nothing change
Im down like 40-50% battery after an hour of music....
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i though you wanted a phone (it's in the title), not a mp3 player..change the title accordingly and yes, very useful thread! never heard of battery life problem.......interesting... keep them coming!
share with us yr wisdom!
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i though you wanted a phone (it's in the title), not a mp3 player..change the title accordingly and yes, very useful thread! never heard of battery life problem.......interesting... keep them coming!
share with us yr wisdom!
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Keep your elitist **** to your self, pidoras.
That was an example of the poor performance of the phone. My Trinity could do 4 hours, and it wouldn't even drain he phone that much.
It's just not performing poor.
Just installed HTC's own new 1.37 rom ... and see, it's a almost full functional device!
Fast, no lags (it's not a 3300 nokia!!) lots of usability, navigating, mailing, exchange, foto's, sound, browsing, the whole bunch in my pocket.
A lot of these topics, but I am glad i bought one
I must say battery life is very poor in music playback with set of stereo bluetooth hedphones, i get about 3 hrs max just using music and no phone calling etc. it seems to me that when the battery gets to the last 2 bars it doesnt last long at all. im on the latest rom, phone calling/sat nav and surfing via 3g doesnt seem to be that much of a problem to me battery wise. Ill be picking up the extended battery, i wouldnt swap this phone for any other though!
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Keep your elitist **** to your self, pidoras.
That was an example of the poor performance of the phone. My Trinity could do 4 hours, and it wouldn't even drain he phone that much.
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Just had a nice time reporting you (c)
Besides, he was right.. The phone is not as bad as you said, the things you said just prove that you don't know how to use it to it's potential, that's all...
Yes, I don't own a Diamond (waiting for the Pro), but from what I can see on this forum, for each 10 whining people, there are 50 or more who love the phone after tweaking it for themselves..
The topics like this are pretty much useless, as the only thing they contain is whining, but don't actually give anything useful
My regards..
P.S. You are russian, aren't you?
This is the best phone I ever used
With the reg tweaks here from the wiki the battery lasts about 2 days - I can live with that (remembering my "old" PDAs where battery lasts not a half day *ggg*). We wanted it full featured and slim - so we habe to live with this "battery issue".
But I ordered the extended battry from HTC yesterday - just in case
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This is the best phone I ever used
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/me cheers
IMO A2DP is going to drain the battery of any phone?
Whats battery life like on core player with corded headphones?
The rom that came with it (for most people) is slowwww.
A rush to get the phone out i think, but i think alot of people would have made that compramise - have the phone 3 weeks ago with a slow rom and be able to upgrade it around now.
Check the roms section you can find the official rom updates for each region there. You don't need to do any hard SPL modifications to use those, and therefore shouldnt affect your waranty. I would suggest that first.
Flaming is just pointless, and alot of people had the same thoughts at 1 point, i know i did!
I'm looking to get a Diamond and TBH find threads like this useful. I know its a Marmite kinda thing (love it or hate it) but it gives a indication of what the phone is like.
I want a Daimond and wil lsoon be getting one from Orange (£230 NON CONTRACT!!) and want as many users feelings for the phone as possible.
If he said the phone was one of the best ever made you wouldn't slate him and degrade him....so why do it otherwise???
Afterall its a Forum and peoples opinions are their own! Forums wouldn't exist otherwise!
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from Orange (£230 NON CONTRACT!!) and want as many users feelings for the phone as possible.
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Thats a good price. If you dont mind me asking, how are you getting it for £230 Non Contract?
I have to say this is probably the most ocvered topic for every single HTC out there, I have had almost all production releases and everytime someone always states its the worst phone ever! truely this can't be the case.
There are phones that have been much worse and this is a PDA with lots of extras that why you pay more oh and the fact you purchased it so early. give it a chance with a newer rom.
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I want a Daimond and wil lsoon be getting one from Orange (£230 NON CONTRACT!!) and want as many users feelings for the phone as possible.
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Where in the hell are you getting it for £230? Link please..
Hi all,
Finally did it and got myself a Kaiser. Long time Hermes user/supporter.
Im busy reading all the faq's and wiki but what do you suggest i have a look at in roms?
I know CRC's/DVTs were preferential in Hermes dont know enough about Kaiser cooks yet, although i do see a few of the older names that have moved on.
Im in Aus, and this phone is stock so im going to have to do radio as well.
Glad to meet you and hope to be an active contributor here as well.
Try them all, that's what I did... till I settled with one I personally liked. There is no risk involved once phone is completely sim/security unlocked, just time...
Mate,
Enjoy your new phone I did the same change about 6 months ago.
I am in Melbourne and have tried a big selection of the roms available.
Firstly use Kaiser Unlocker to hardspl sim/cid unlock.
Then Jumpspl to change to hardspl 3.56
My suggestion would be try the Garmin1.2 rom or version 2 if it is out when you check.
Try the radio that loads with this rom or
Change to neon 1.65.24.36
This setup works great for my location with no problems that I have noticed..
Have Fun
Thanks Halon,
My 2 specialities was Media Centers and Hermes programming. So I feel and I guess that I am back to noob status
Its great to get a point in the right direction.
Reading the Wiki's and it seems like alot more info/processes than the old Hermes.
Everyones a noob at something.
There is a lot of information here and dare I say it a lot of it can be confusing and a bit disjointed but I am sure with your previous experience with the Hermes you'll be flying real soon.
UPDATE -
Reading vast amounts of information in one night - I have configured the Kaiser with Garmin's 2 ROM!
Halon .. i have done all of your suggestions and everything is working well. (Except for MSVC which slowed down the entire ROM for some reason), Uninstalled that and I am now back to normal. Wierd.
Ill now have to see which of my heremes cabs do work and what cabs dont work ..
Im also looking forward to reading about the video card driver problem .. will have to google that thread.
Cheers all.
TEST (now with a Kaiser)
I did the switch from Hermes to Kaiser about 2 months ago, so far all of the cabs I had used on my Hermes are working on my Kaiser.
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I did the switch from Hermes to Kaiser about 2 months ago, so far all of the cabs I had used on my Hermes are working on my Kaiser.
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I think is better if u use cabs specifiec for kaizer, u can find then in signatures from Senior members or moderators,( like P1tater, Skatdawg, etc) or just ask that someone is going to point u inthe right direction.
Welcome, Test. I'm not yet switched, used both currently. Long story behind it, back then my jasjam was dropped and having the whitescreen and d-pad issues. Need months to repair it, and I need a PDA so I bought Kaiser.
Anyway, just to inform that most of my hermes cabs collection are working on kaiser. The problem is not with the device, but rather on the WM version. My experience, many apps don't run well on 6.1, like skype etc, some not even run at all. Some already have an update which works, and some doesn't.
Short, it's better to always looking for the latest stable build apps, if you can. The problem is, most of them are scattered around forums here. Not necessarily only in Kaiser forum. Good luck, mate.
p.s: yet i must admit, you're posting in a slightly incorrect forum...
Hermes to Kaiser
So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
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So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way Iphone 3rd Gen when it comes out for me or the X1experia but I need processor speed now after the slow kaiser
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way Iphone 3rd Gen when it comes out for me or the X1experia but I need processor speed now after the slow kaiser
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The problem is Qualcomm. Crappy company from the ground up.
I think there is a phone coming out that has a Marvell Chip in it. 624mhz sound good to you with a Overclocking up to 800mhz.
I have been switching back and forth between the two phones, I got to say that the Hermes is a better overall phone, I am not that impressed with the tilt whats so ever....
Hm.You sure it's not HTC who did the crapping, ATW? Not that i don't agree with you, but just want your further enlightment, sir ;-)
For me, a layman, i have heard Qualcomm for quite some time, maybe even longer than HTC (at least for brand recognition). And i heard that they held many patents on cdma technology too. Not sounds too crappy for me, is it?
I remember having discussed in general forum,Menneissys told me that some of the codes are actually optimized in msm7200 than Hermes 'outdated' samsung processor. For example in bluetoth aadp streaming. Though i must admit that the ATI Imageon on Hermes make it faster for graphic apps.
Btw, is it energy efficient to have processor running over 600mhz?
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Ohhh YES, definitely.
The best proof was when I had to send my Kaiser for repair, going back to the Hermes was awful. Such a slow brick, I simply hard reset it and left it with nothing installed at all and was using it as a phone only, couldn't bear fiddling with it after having had the Kaiser for a moment. Even that way it was 2-3x slower than the Kaiser.
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way
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My kaiser is twice as fast as my hermes was... and far more stable. Shame your one didn't seem to come with GPS.....
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For me, a layman, i have heard Qualcomm for quite some time, maybe even longer than HTC (at least for brand recognition). And i heard that they held many patents on cdma technology too. Not sounds too crappy for me, is it?
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I'm very happy that Qualcomm holds patents in CDMA, but what does that have to do with performance of a chip?
Let's just put it this way. Marvell used to be a Intel company. I much rather put my money / faith in a company that is the #1 producer of chips.
My Samsung 400mhz chip gave me better performance. Heck my TI OMAP 250mhz was just as good as this Qualcomm crap!
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Btw, is it energy efficient to have processor running over 600mhz?
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It is when the chip is smaller and requires less energy to run. I'm not sure what the nm is on the Marvell chip but I know that the talk time will be increased by over 2 hours which is a pretty significant improvement by up to 50%. How's that for energy efficient?
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My kaiser is twice as fast as my hermes was... and far more stable. Shame your one didn't seem to come with GPS.....
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o yea? My Hermes has not had even one reset running V3G's rom, yet I have to do several with the Kaiser although that maybe contributed to the roms not being debugged completly....
As to the GPS, its great for those who do not spent a lot of time using it as a cell phone, try using the GPS and talking on the phone via BT and driving for a living , maybe you will see just how great and useful the GPS is... not to mention the battery life....pssfft
I use my X51v as a GPS/w a BT unit where it sits in a holder right in line of my eye sight which is also my MP3 player hooked directly into my alpine .
Oh yea how about the how the buttons are located on the Hermes vs the kaiser ? look just how close they are on the Kaiser , they missed the boat on that...the layout is very poor...
Now do not get me wrong the Kaiser is a good unit, but it is lacking in many areas.
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Oh yea how about the how the buttons are located on the Hermes vs the kaiser ?
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Yep. On the Hermes I could never use the center "enter" button without pressing 1 or 2 of the direction buttons at the same time and had to repeat my press everytime to get it right... with the Kaiser the buttons finally serve some purpose again.
i want the newest and best radio
my x1 flash with xperia-unoff x1.5 and the network very poor
so what i should do
its "b"est radio m8 ^^
well not easy 2 say... i heard it depends... 1.16 is the last official 1 as far es i know..
i am \also not quite happy with the 1.17 i am using atm.. i guess i will have to try 1.16 and 1.14...
Does the X2 come with a newer Radio mayb .. any1 know?
i think you shuould try every radio... because newest radio may eat you battery in a day ... yes,yes signal is good , but 8 hours and you are empty... for me 1.10 the best .. good signal , good battery .. 1.14 very good signal - 1 day battery . now use unoff 1.5 too
play with that - and you will find the best for you....
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i want the newest and best radio
my x1 flash with xperia-unoff x1.5 and the network very poor
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wtf ?? This is your first post!
How dare you ask such a question??
Go and learn the rules man and search before posting!!
Cheers.
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wtf ?? This is your first post!
How dare you ask such a question??
Go and learn the rules man and search before posting!!
Cheers.
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lol So true!!!
That's funny right there.
Good Question!
Go easy on the guy! We haven't all owned Xperias since release day. I just got mine a month ago, flashed the Leo Hybrid ROM, and am wondering the exact same question.
My radio seems to be quite weak as well, barely hooking onto HSDPA. It's 1.14.25.55
Any recommendations would be great, and I'd love to read some more reviews in here.
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Go easy on the guy! We haven't all owned Xperias since release day. I just got mine a month ago, flashed the Leo Hybrid ROM, and am wondering the exact same question.
My radio seems to be quite weak as well, barely hooking onto HSDPA. It's 1.14.25.55
Any recommendations would be great, and I'd love to read some more reviews in here.
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well there is no reason to have the same threads over and over. do a little search and u will find (most of the time) what u need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532249
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565182
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506034
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541808
wich Radio do you suggest me to use ???!!
untill now im using 1.10.25.18 and many people think it has more battery power
please someone can tell me wich one to use? bec there are new ones and i dont realy know if they are better as they are new?
TY very much!!
You have to try them and see how they work for you. How "good" or "bad" a radio is depends on your location, provider, GPS app you use, the color of your shirt, etc.
For me, 1.17 works really well.
I second Harvey... Radio is fully based on your service provider... Try and use it for minimum 3 days...(to check battery drains, signal strength, call drops etc) and then decide to stick on one.
For me 1.17 works well (excellent)
PS: i forgot.... color of shirt is very important for ur Radio ROM... haha kidding...
well, flashed to 1.16 a few month ago - my previous version (ex factory, I recall) was 1.03
big improvement! 2 more bars, big improvement in the car as well
well, personally for me it goes like that..
1.10.25.18 has the best gps fix time for me
1.14 is the most stable
1.16 has not impressed me at all
Anyway, it seems to me radio version is not THAT important. You know, r2a roms are rock stable and have long battery time while r3a drain battery and freeze phones for many people
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Radio is fully based on your service provider...
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It is Pelephone Israel>> i use igo 8 2010 MAPs
when i bought my xperia the signal was very low and after i changed to ....18 i got more battery and signal but i saw new Radios in the forum so do u suggest me to try all the Radios and find the best (well itll be hard cuz they are almost the same)
thnx every1 for the info:"that it is depend on my location" i didn know that !!! thnxxx
I think that the FM radio is the best!
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Thank you very much!
Some answers given, but basically you have to try them and then decide what meets your needs.
Mike
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