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[size=+2]Cheetah Hard-SPL and SIM Unlocker is now released![/size]
Ignore any images for Hermes please... this all works for your device; if you ask once whether it's going to work properly, I will find you and kill you...r dog.
YOU MUST HAVE .net framework 2.0 INSTALLED
to download, [size=+1]Click Here[/size]
If you are already SIM unlocked, then just run step 1, the other two are essentially optional for you.
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SPL version displays 1.40.OliNex.
Current Features:
Code:
[b]CURRENT FEATURES[/b]
-SuperCID (no CID checks anyway)
-no Code Signing
-SPL protected
-IPL protected
-Password for commands not required
-Accepts any Password
-Run 'task 2a' via mtty to fix bad blocks
-Rtask also in SPL
-ModelID ignored
[b]Changelog[/b]
[b]Hard-SPL-1.40[/b]
-Initial Release
Hi Oli - thanks for pointing your skills at us Cheetah owners. Pof and I exchanged quite a bit of dialogue on this not too long ago, but he's been super busy focusing on Hermes work.
I'll volunteer - would you have some time on Friday evening? You're in the U.K. yes? If you shoot me a PM we can find a time that works well for both of us. Alternatively I can give whatever code and process you have a go and send you the results.
I've already got a cooked ROM set aside for testing once the whole signing thing is knocked out. =)
--Summiter
Olipro said:
OK, here's what I have, and what I need
last night, I was given the WM6 leaked NBH; good news for you chaps is that it contains an SPL.
second bit of good news is that I've patched it with no problems.
the bad news is that obviously I don't own a Cheetah, so I need someone who does to setup VNC on their computer so I can VNC in and try and get the SPL to run on their device.
the chances of bricking your device in the process of getting the SPL to soft-load is pretty much 0%.
so... any takers? please?
P.S: on further investigation, I'd also like to point out that if we can get Hard-SPL working on it, sim-unlocking (if necessary for some devices?) should then be achieveable
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I can't wait!
I'd really like a cooked rom for my 750.
Cooked Rom
I can smell it already.
yeah, but nobody's offered to help... still
How do I help?
Damn, thats good news. Can't wait to see the first customized rom.
But wat is the status so far, is there someone already working on it ?. If nessecary i'll share my connection to make this a success.
Sorry Oli - was offline until today due to squirrels. You know, the little brown critters that eat nuts and nibble on coax... That was my ISPs excuse anyway.
I sent you a PM with my MSN ID. I'm set up with terminal access into the bootloader and whatnot, and have a cooked ROM which I *think* I've built with the proper parts in all the correct places.
--Kevin
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yeah, but nobody's offered to help... still
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OK Guys; major breakthrough... even though the person who kindly was helping went offline.
if anyone would like to get in touch, having a Hard-SPL up and running on these devices is going to be no sweat.
I'd also like to mention that from there, it'll be plain sailing to SIM Unlocking too.
Cheers guys!
Olipro & Cmonex
Thanks
Thanks Olipro,
That pretty much wraps up the only downside about moving from the Vario II to the 750!
Now if only someone can figure out a way to program on on/off button that doesn't keep going back to the Today screen......
Yeah... but... need a tester.
it's harmless, I swear.
Olipro said:
Yeah... but... need a tester.
it's harmless, I swear.
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I'd happily be your guinea pig. My 750v is already unlocked though.
Ill do it, tell me what needs to be done.
Olipro said:
Yeah... but... need a tester.
it's harmless, I swear.
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What do you need done?
ok, SSPL works fine.
SIM unlocking next, watch this space
Olipro said:
ok, SSPL works fine.
SIM unlocking next, watch this space
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Wow, cool, cooked ROMs here we come...
alright, Hard-SPL also loads nicely.
just getting SIM unlocking sorted now.
Olipro said:
just getting SIM unlocking sorted now.
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Good work *****
Ill still help if needed...
me too.
whose gonna cook us some roms?
cmonex and olipro have offered up to get the proper video drivers and a sim unlocker done for the kaiser. they though have asked u guys the community to get them a kaiser they could use to do the development of the drivers and unlocker. cmonex has previous experience in doing driver hacking so she would find a way to hack the current video drivers to be used more efficiently and to use the full power of the kaiser. olipro u guys all know from the hermes forums for his unlocked and hardspl but this time around the new securities require he have a device to be able to unlock it. if they wont succedd in any of these 2 then they will give back the kaiser.
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cmonex and olipro have offered up to get the proper video drivers and a sim unlocker done for the kaiser. they though have asked u guys the community to get them a kaiser they could use to do the development of the drivers and unlocker. cmonex has previous experience in doing driver hacking so she would find a way to hack the current video drivers to be used more efficiently and to use the full power of the kaiser. olipro u guys all know from the hermes forums for his unlocked and hardspl but this time around the new securities require he have a device to be able to unlock it. if they wont succedd in any of these 2 then they will give back the kaiser.
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Cool idea - will you repost your q to the "official" (sticky) bounty thread, or, should I (at least temporarily) stick this thread? We could also include this post in the firts post in the Bounty thread.
Menneisyys said:
Cool idea - will you repost your q to the "official" (sticky) bounty thread, or, should I (at least temporarily) stick this thread? We could also include this post in the firts post in the Bounty thread.
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i would repost it but idk if it isnt off topic bc that was for how much people are willing to chip into the bounty. u can add to first post of bounty thread though. cmonex who would be lead developer of the video driver said it should be just a mod to existing video drivers after looking at what core people are saying. she says shes willing to do it just needs a kaiser and the bounty would be nice after shes done bc it will take some time and she is a student too.
SIM unlocker? Who needs that? I just called AT&T and they gave me my unlock code withing 5 minutes.
Shadow7789 said:
SIM unlocker? Who needs that? I just called AT&T and they gave me my unlock code withing 5 minutes.
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I would guesstimate that Tilt users account for less than half of the users in this forum. There are more world-wide users here using the MDA Vario III and the TyTN II and I am quite sure they would love to have an unlocked phone.
Actually I would say tilt users are the majority
Who cares about the sim locker. You guys don't have to argue about that so much, the more important thing here is the drivers.
i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
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i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
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she doesnt want to compete and is open to collaboration but needs a device to be able to do anything. she has extensive dll modding skills so it shouldn't be too hard of a job for her.
Pawel062 said:
u can add to first post of bounty thread though.
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I temporarily make this thread sticky so thqat it gets enough attention; when there is any change, I unstick it.
draxredd said:
i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
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Well actually I already was working with cmonex before my vacation started ...
Loaner?...Anyone?
but needs a device to be able to do anything.
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Perhaps a user with more than one device (I have seen many of them post, I would volunteer if I had more than 1) would be willing to loan the extraneous unit out?
Just a thought...
Probably be quicker to just buy a TILT locally and return it within the 30 day grace period.
Jim_R said:
Probably be quicker to just buy a TILT locally and return it within the 30 day grace period.
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the problem is cmonex and olipro are in the UK.
Hey, many of us pledged towards the driver project, I say let's show some faith and donate to Oli enough to get a Test unit.
I'm in for $25
HTML:
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<assembly xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1" manifestVersion="1.0">
<assemblyIdentity version="1.0.0.0" processorArchitecture="X86" name="SIM Unlock" type="win32"/>
<description>Unlock</description>
<ms_asmv2:trustInfo xmlns:ms_asmv2="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v2">
<ms_asmv2:security xmlns:ms_asmv2="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v2">
<requestedPrivileges>
<requestedExecutionLevel level="requireAdministrator" uiAccess="false"/>
</requestedPrivileges>
</ms_asmv2:security>
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</assembly>
i was playing with imei-check.co.uk's kaiserv1unlock.exe program. the code above is what goes into the kaiser/tilt puls some info and pastes a file with an extention .ued.
past this point i am lost on 2 counts.
one: i am not a programer that understands the code above
two: i don't know or have a program that reads file extentions ending in .ued
hopefully this might help out or not.
if not sorry i am trying but again i am not a programmer.
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Well actually I already was working with cmonex before my vacation started ...
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no one noticed chainfire's post?
All that that code does is copy your imei and save it in a file with a ued extension. It's a bunch of fluff.
OK... leap of faith (fingers crossed)...
I will put give $20USD for this...
If nothing else, we will have two of the best with a Kaiser... that has to be a good thing. If this gets off the ground, just tell me where to donate.
count me in for USD 10.
kms
Hey people
Is there a free way to unlock my new HTC Touch Diamond? I now i can use IMEI-CHECK but i would like to do it a free way
akirainblack said:
Where did you get the within a week release from?
All the info I can get says it'll be next month at the earliest.
Have a look at the Hard SPL post above.. that should give you all the info you need. Or go to modmydiamond.info
The Hard SPL should allow it.
I must say though back up the Orange system before doing the change as they won't look at the phone or accept it back if it doesn't have the stock orange ROM on it.
As yet no Super CID has been released so you can't unlock the phone without paying to do so. There is a thread on it already.
All this info is easily found with the search function and most if not all are on the first page of this forum.
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I found this in the ROM Developer section, It would appear that there is no free solution as yet, but im sure the Developers are working on it so eyes peeled and all that!
completely senseless unlock thread nr 47.
I have a problem like most people with olinex hardspl so I asked some experienced help in overcoming problems,with a lot of respect speaks to men for help
" hard- spl is for non-commercial purpose only,we have detected that you appear to alreadyhvae unlocked a device, if you wish to unlock commercially"
that all. nothing happen
my touch still not unlock
i don't know what happen. can some one help me this solution
I have a possibility of a donation would pay men and without that, as no commercial hardspl, so far have been ok cmonex and olipro,why now so taking a couple of people like me are not able to donate you works sorry
so you are searching for a way to unlock your phone?
is your phone a clone, or an original device?
touch 3g
Xenograph said:
so you are searching for a way to unlock your phone?
is your phone a clone, or an original device?
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original htc touch 3g orange sim unlocked
and you want to run a store, where jade-owners can bring in their phones to get them unlocked, or upgraded to wm 6.5 ?
or is it just for your own personal use. just for the 1 phone you own?
Xenograph said:
and you want to run a store, where jade-owners can bring in their phones to get them unlocked, or upgraded to wm 6.5 ?
or is it just for your own personal use. just for the 1 phone you own?
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I want to replace the phone in German language with English language that does not change the rom and I do not shop
sorry, but there is no way to switch the languag to english without changing the rom.
so you have to search this forum for a ROM that suits your purpose, and flash it onto your device. everything installed right now get's lost, and you also have to backup your contacts/sms/mails ,...
I also replaced the german ROM on my device with an english one. I had no problems at all.
general questions and answers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534581
hard-spl: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483465
list of roms available for jade: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=476473
Why look for money to donate, donations are not voluntary, or what is going on taking money from us !!!
djuz said:
Why look for money to donate, donations are not voluntary, or what is going on taking money from us !!!
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is wrong to perform experiments on us and you get what you ask for it to seek money from our
nice to know, i unlocked mine without olinex butdont remember where...
misabg said:
I want to replace the phone in German language with English language that does not change the rom and I do not shop
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watch phones linked to IMEI number so that if the test ban will hardspl regardless of whether it is successful, so next to each phone that unlocks everything but do not try the other IP address immediately unlocks rom, and the happiness
olinex
misabg said:
I have a problem like most people with olinex hardspl so I asked some experienced help in overcoming problems,with a lot of respect speaks to men for help
" hard- spl is for non-commercial purpose only,we have detected that you appear to alreadyhvae unlocked a device, if you wish to unlock commercially"
that all. nothing happen
my touch still not unlock
i don't know what happen. can some one help me this solution
I have a possibility of a donation would pay men and without that, as no commercial hardspl, so far have been ok cmonex and olipro,why now so taking a couple of people like me are not able to donate you works sorry
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You can make a donation now to get your device instantly authorised for unlocking or just simply thank us for our work! Simply enter the donation amount below. (minimum £4.00)
After paying, simply run the program again in AUTOMATIC mode
I'm starting a bounty for a new Hard SPL tool. We need one that will be free with no stipulations to the community. I don't mean to offend or provoke anyone here, but at this point we have a "donation" only SPL unlocker for a device that is aging rapidly.The majority of people with problems are posting in that thread about having to pay on their first unlock. Contacting the support website there is kind of hit and miss.
I appreciate everything that cmonex and olipro have done for this community. I hold no grudge against them for this. I know that life gets in the way. However, there were ways to prevent the problems. They could have recruited someone to fill in for them who would actually be in this thread as well as over on the htc-unlocks website who could provide support to the folks who use this software.
The Touch Pro2 is over a year old and is showing its age. We shouldn't be paying to unlock such an old device anymore. Even carriers are phasing out the device. It would be of more benefit to the community as a whole to have an unlocker that is free from any limitations to unlock, free to use with no stipulations, and free from cloud based personal information storing.
I donated $10 when I first got my TP2 in the mail and unlocked it. I wasn't required to do by the software, but I did because this is where it all begins in regards to flashing literally ANYTHING on our devices. I respect their work, but forcing users to pay and then not helping with the problems is not acceptable by me.
With that being said, I'm proposing a collaboration of folks from this forum to come up with a new Hard SPL, or, at the very least, work around the "donation" system of the former tool.
I, myself, am not as skilled in scripting as most users on here, so I'm posting this as a request for assistance. Think of this as a virtual drawing board for you guys to help with.
I'm attaching all the info I can find to the first few posts here so we can get the ball rolling. I am really hoping to attract a few people who know how to code programs. I would also hope to get the attention of someone who has the older version of the software that did not connect to the Internet to provide an unlock.
Additional Links and sources:
The bounty could also be given to anyone who could make a RUU that will flash custom ROMs. There is a thread in the HD2 forum HERE about it.
There is a thread HERE for the Wizard that seems to let you extract the SPL from the device. If we could extract the current Hard SPL from the devices, then we would also have ourselves a free version.
I think there would be more motivation if there was a bounty on this. I'll put up $10 to start us off. This way it will be actual donations. If cmonex or olipro make there unlockers free, then what say we just give them the bounty, eh? That way this is completely fair. Either someone else makes a Hard SPL unlocker and they get the cash, or cmonex and olipro get one last lump payment for the community to benefit from.
Bounty donators:
cajunflavoredbob - $10
JVH3 - $10
F2504x4 - $10
DJ_MiX -$15
grifter024 - $10
overtheair - $10
Running Total - $65
Users we've PM'd for assistance so far:
dotcompt, Jackos, NRGZ28, seeM_ZA, Sergio76, bepe
Pledge of $10 toward the bounty
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.
Here is My Pledge of $10 as well..
It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713
JVH3 said:
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.
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F2504x4 said:
It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713
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Added your pledges to the first post. Added the link about the SSPL RUU to the first post as well. I agree that I wish cnomex and olipro just make it free now, but if not, hopefully we can spur others into looking into this. If they remove the payment system from theirs, then the bounty belongs to them, however. I'm just trying to keep it fair for the developers AND the users.
I pledge a $15 bounty for HardSPL CDMA
&
$30 for CDMA sim Unlocker
Documentation on how to create a HardSPL
I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.
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I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.
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It would really depend on how much it would be of use to WP7 devices as this is the only one I've seen that has a payment system, and there aren't anymore WM6.5 devices coming out. I don't know enough about the SPLs to be able to make that call, but I would hope that if a new one is created, the source would be provided. I'm more interested in resolving the never-ending struggle of lack of support on the paid model. If they would simply do away with the paid Hard SPL system, there would be no problems in that thread other than users who forget to disable antivirus software...
The bottom line is that we just wanted support for the paid software we were using. Since that isn't happening, we're driven to this front. We now want it to be open to the community with no reservations.
EDIT: Vote this to the front page for more attention to the matter. The link to vote is on the right side of the header above post #1. Anyone viewing this should help spread the word. Pass the message along to any other active threads that you're involved in. We need to get this as much attention as possible to either get some assistance in its development or have cmonex and olipro release a true free version.
Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.
hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
JVH3 said:
Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.
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Added to first post. Good info. Too bad the thread didn't last longer.
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hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
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Opening tickets has been hit and miss for most people having problems. Users are being forced into purchasing the tool because of a lack of support from the creators. No one is upset that they created the tool, just at the lack of support on it. You said yourself that you had to wait a month to get a response. Why not just open the application up for anyone to use as it is on nearly every other device in this forum? The Rhodium is aging quickly. There are fewer and fewer new users with this device. For them to still be charging for it is kind of ridiculous now. That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."
Same issue here with getting new phone back from warranty. Already "donated" 4x's for my family's phones. Started a ticket explaining the warranty/new phone situation and now has been 3 weeks with no response. Stock ROM on the phone kept freezing several times a day and phone was pretty useless. Could not wait any longer so "donated" again, restarted hardsplash process again and it let me right through and unlocked phone.
Pretty rude not to respond to "customers" and bad for business. At least put on their website clearly stated that 'you must pay to unlock your phone each time!'
Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.
grifter024 said:
Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.
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Point of a bounty is to pledge that you will donate once it is complete.
Not to donate before then.
Nothing is donated until it is completed.
But, once completed, all those that pledged to donate, make their donations to whoever completed it.
It is not enforcable, but, it is a commitment. And people remember when a pledge is made, but not paid.
Is the $10 you mentioned a pledge to donate when it is completed or made free to all?
You act like I wont donate the money IF it comes out....it would be a suprise if someone made a new hardspl for an old phone but it would make me happy since I usually keep my phone for a long time...
I had my shadow/juno all the way up until I think 08....then the screen started going white and I didnt feel like taking it apart just to fix it but it was a good phone.
I dont usually make it a point to check the site every day but I come back from time to time when I feel like it's time to mess with my phone some more. I will probably check back in Dec and if I am late to throw my money into the pot once its completed I say sorry now so as not to make tensions flare.
Hell I would drop another 10 IF the new hardspl comes out and the mods DELETE NOT lock the other hardspl from cmo/oli.
You guys are more than welcome to donate on your own terms, but I'm just going to keep a running total of all donations offered in the first post. The conditions I originally posted for collecting the bounty were someone making a new HSPL tool, modding the original one to be standalone, or olipro/cmonex making the original one free. If someone clears one of those three conditions, I think they should get the bounty. If anyone has any objection to that, or something to add, let me know.
EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.
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hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
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That is not correct. I have an outstanding ticket for over 5 months. No reply.
cajunflavoredbob said:
That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."
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I've paid/donated 4GBP six times in the last couple of months as I've been unlocking TP2s for friends. Yesterday for the first time, the Hard SPL tool failed to work after submitting the payment. I contacted the support email address and attached my PayPal payment receipt ... but of course no response.
Add my $10 pledge to the bounty pool.
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EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.
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I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.
JVH3 said:
I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.
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Yea, please don't get into a wreck. lol I wonder if we could get some chefs to support this?