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TV tuner for HTC Athena ???

Hi,
This TV tuner works on Windows Mobile devices through a SD card:
http://www.eopstech.com/eops/pro3.html
Does anybody know if there is something similar for our Athenas ?
An option could be trying this device using:
HTC Athena + 4 in 1 cable + SD reader + SDIO TV tuner .......
This should work, right ?
Thanks and regards,
Alberto

That wont work.
It uses SDIO, that is not supported in card readers. I dont know if the miniSD slot has SDIO ability either. You would have to get some kind of cable with miniSD to SDsocket. Not a nice solution.

Not very future proof either. Analogue TV is as good as dead in most parts of this world. I'd rather see someone writing a WM5 or 6 driver for one of those DVB-T USB sticks ;-D Now that would be cool !

Sling Mobile player works great on the Advantage. Orb also works for cable tv, but Sling has better picture quality

eagle 1 said:
Sling Mobile player works great on the Advantage. Orb also works for cable tv, but Sling has better picture quality
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Are you on unlimited data pack plan? I can imagine myself not enjoying the show if my GPRS monitor keep remining me that I've exceeded the day's quota.

eagle 1 said:
Sling Mobile player works great on the Advantage. Orb also works for cable tv, but Sling has better picture quality
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I use sling player mobile also. Love it! Can watch all of my digital cable channels.

eaglesteve said:
Are you on unlimited data pack plan? I can imagine myself not enjoying the show if my GPRS monitor keep remining me that I've exceeded the day's quota.
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You don#t have unlimited? :O Whay's the point of an Athena if you can't use it?

Confucious said:
You don#t have unlimited? :O Whay's the point of an Athena if you can't use it?
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Exactly the point I made in the T-Mobile shop in Monchengladbach yesterday. I get unlimited data in the UK with T-Mobile, but T-mobile Germany couldn't even give me a sim card that did data and voice on the same card! Their best data package tops out at 5gb data per month free and 20c per mb after that for euro 60/month. Terrible. Guess another solution except the Slingbox for me too then...

Confucious said:
You don#t have unlimited? :O Whay's the point of an Athena if you can't use it?
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I have only 1 GB quota. They don't offer any unlimited here. I can use it almost 24/7 if I restrain myself in downloading or TC watching. I wish competition will heat up here later, and some Telco would offer unlimited data plan at a reasonable price.

eaglesteve said:
Are you on unlimited data pack plan? I can imagine myself not enjoying the show if my GPRS monitor keep remining me that I've exceeded the day's quota.
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Yes, on the unlimited ATT data plan. use Sling to watch tv and also use ORB to stream my 50+ gig of music and videos from home. I have 39.99 unlimited pdaconnect package and 900 nationwide rollover plan. Some people just purchase the Medianet unlimited for 19.99 and say it works fine.

Oliver_T said:
Not very future proof either. Analogue TV is as good as dead in most parts of this world. I'd rather see someone writing a WM5 or 6 driver for one of those DVB-T USB sticks ;-D Now that would be cool !
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Its something I keep mulling over. The drivers are available in 'linux', but not knowing how to set about recompiling them or writing fresh drivers for any system, let alone a wmobile device, I wouldn't know where to start. HOWEVER, I will say that the Ameo can power up a Hauppauge WinTV DVB stick, as it gets as far as 'Where's the drivers mo-fo' when you plug it in.

Are the unlimited plans in the US actually unlimited?
In the UK teh "unlimited" plan with T-Mob is actually capped at 1gb which I always thought was as good as unlimited since I never exceeded 500Mb on my Universal but now I've got my Ameo I'm not so sure....
I think the Ameo has a built in device to stop me going over my limit, it's called a battery
T-Mobile TV works fine on the Ameo, limited channels but hopefully they'll get more.

Confucious said:
T-Mobile TV works fine on the Ameo, limited channels but hopefully they'll get more.
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T-Mobile TV, how and where do you get this?
Cheers

Confucious said:
Are the unlimited plans in the US actually unlimited?
In the UK teh "unlimited" plan with T-Mob is actually capped at 1gb which I always thought was as good as unlimited since I never exceeded 500Mb on my Universal but now I've got my Ameo I'm not so sure....
I think the Ameo has a built in device to stop me going over my limit, it's called a battery
T-Mobile TV works fine on the Ameo, limited channels but hopefully they'll get more.
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But the thing is I charge my battery everyday......we have the same restrriction here in hong kong......the unlimited is actually 1G, after that they'll nail you on every exceeded kilobyte.....crap!

T-Mobiles 1GB "Unlimited" is a fair use policy. If you exceed it massively, you don't have to pay, you just get asked not to do it again or they'll restrict the service. Then you get a 14 day restriction on the second time. The third time, they'll lock down your service and ask you to upgrade to a better plan.
The Ameo usually comes with the Web 'n' Walk Plus package, which is 3GB Fair use.
T-Mobile are very good for data users.

ive been on the t-mobile 750 with 50 texts free for 7 years now. i phoned them a couple of months ago about web n walk, and they offered me an add on but its 2 gig limit. I think its an extra £6.50 a month.
Id still love a tuner for it though. I cant wait till sombody brings one out or modifys a driver.
how much is the sling box, isnt about £150, I get paid tomorrow, might go have a look at options.

Yeah something like this, but when I was looking at them, I did find a discount code via a generic search engine that got a real significant discount from the Dixons website. It was like £60 off or something. I've just done a search and they're doing a £25 off discount by entering 'NOW35' as a discount code in their checkout, but other retailers are available.
But I still want a real TV tuner option too. I wonder how hard it is writing device drivers?

How are you going to connect the tuner? USB? Because SDIO isn't an option... and the USB 2.0 port isn't a host. Host is USB 1.1. That's going to be REAL slow for transferring video data to the device...
I've been trying to find a DLNA video client for WM5, no luck as yet unless Conduits Pocketwhatsit does it. Doesn't claim to do video the way CorePlayer does though...

RichardKAthena said:
How are you going to connect the tuner? USB? Because SDIO isn't an option... and the USB 2.0 port isn't a host. Host is USB 1.1. That's going to be REAL slow for transferring video data to the device...
I've been trying to find a DLNA video client for WM5, no luck as yet unless Conduits Pocketwhatsit does it. Doesn't claim to do video the way CorePlayer does though...
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usb 1.1 is more than fast enough for tv. it would have to be a usb tuner, ive tried a couple of usb tuners the ameo powers them and then asks for the drivers. I had a pinnical pctv delux usb which used to supply dvd quality to my pc at usb 1.1 no problem.

I've just done some further research on this now I've been alerted to the speed issue. It would seem that the Hauppauge USB devices require a USB2 connection, however, my device was recognised when I plugged it in to the Ameo, although obviously there were no drivers available. I suspect it can cope with the lower speed for the inital driver handshakes e.t.c. then switches to USB2 for sending the MPEG stream. I'll do a test on my Lintel box with usb1 later.

AT&T MediaFLO - for us?

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/04/17/att-mobile-tv-mediaflo-details-price-list-and-launch-date/
Apparently this new service is coming out in two weeks or so for the LG Vu and Samsung Access. Not sure what OSes they use, but what chance do you think we have of seeing it on the Tilt? I know there's the driver issues, plus I'm not even sure the Tilt has the hardware... apparently this is some separate network...?
Someone smarter than me should look into this.
PS - Just curious, as I can't see myself paying more for TV - Comcast already drains me...

drokkon said:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/04/17/att-mobile-tv-mediaflo-details-price-list-and-launch-date/
Apparently this new service is coming out in two weeks or so for the LG Vu and Samsung Access. Not sure what OSes they use, but what chance do you think we have of seeing it on the Tilt? I know there's the driver issues, plus I'm not even sure the Tilt has the hardware... apparently this is some separate network...?
Someone smarter than me should look into this.
PS - Just curious, as I can't see myself paying more for TV - Comcast already drains me...
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from my recollection that LG VU, from when I saw it at the CES show in Las Vegas earlier this year, uses Windows Mobile.

when i bought my tilt from at&t it already had something similar to it, i never used it cause i can't stand the 13" tv at my house so watching on a phone seemed pointless. so i deleted the program and flashed a new ROM and now i have games rather than tv. if someone wanted to give me satellite or cable on my phone and i could watch my shows while i'm at work, then it would be a great program. 9 channels for $30 a month is as bad as cable, overpriced and no features

tubaking182 said:
when i bought my tilt from at&t it already had something similar to it, i never used it cause i can't stand the 13" tv at my house so watching on a phone seemed pointless. so i deleted the program and flashed a new ROM and now i have games rather than tv. if someone wanted to give me satellite or cable on my phone and i could watch my shows while i'm at work, then it would be a great program. 9 channels for $30 a month is as bad as cable, overpriced and no features
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Hm... just tried MobiTV for the first time. Video is very stop and go, but it's kinda neat - and I can listen, if nothing else. It's only $10/month.
But since we don't want to pay for more TV access, I think Slingbox or a similar technology is our only hope.
That, and HTC drivers...

TV Out

Anyone know where to get the TV out cable?

Google 73H00274-00M
I believe that's the cable as it has the extra USB connector to charge the phone while it's outputting the video.

I think this si it. YOu may want to email the seller and confirm tho.. http://www.amazon.com/OEM-HTC-Out-Cable-ACT100/dp/B002OOZDSE

I think that cable is mini usb not micro

Correct that is mini not micro, cable will not work. But what about the combination of http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OOZDSE/ref=oss_product and
http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Micro-Male-To-Mini-Female-Usb-Converter-Adapter-Cable-p-11269.html
I think $20 bucks is worth the try.

That won't work either... the adapters only push through the standard pins, not the special pins used by HTC for their TV out...

dammit
i need to get 6 of these cables....
anyone know where i can find out how to build my own?

LaughinBro said:
dammit
i need to get 6 of these cables....
anyone know where i can find out how to build my own?
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Wait, why on earth do you need six of them?

Zabii said:
Wait, why on earth do you need six of them?
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one for each TV in the house
Seriously I need this... with the skyfire browser this will be the most useful cable ever. No more hooking up the laptop to watch last week's shows that I missed.

I have heard from wirefly that verizon wireless will give it out in a month..
But what I dont like is that there is no dedicated output port in incredible .. (ie its a matter of time when your phone will get discharged ).. So this thing will be useful only for quick preview on TV(like done for camera).

they could make a cable with an inline micro female to charge simultaneously

do not buy the ACT100 cable it does NOT work with the incredible. the slot is like the same as the HTC HD so it will not fit.

zahidncst said:
I have heard from wirefly that verizon wireless will give it out in a month..
But what I dont like is that there is no dedicated output port in incredible .. (ie its a matter of time when your phone will get discharged ).. So this thing will be useful only for quick preview on TV(like done for camera).
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According to this video HTC explained that the TV-Out cable has an extra Micro USB port on it that allows the device to be charged while having the TV-Out cable connected as well. Really hope we get this cable in stores soon as I'd love to try this feature!

Correct you will be able to charge as its plugged in.

I just really hope that the dev who made the app to sync a Wii remote with Android comes up with the HTC fix. It would be so nice to have all of these game emulators on your phone that you can play with a Wii remote on your TV or anywhere there is an RCA connect.

Off-topic: There is a bluetooth controller that supposedly works with HTC Sense 2.1 devices I am considering purchasing, the MSI BGP100. I dont much care for it, but it supposedly works according to the dev website. It uses the app Gamepro on the market. Id much rather use the Zmote, but Ill probably just wait for Wiimote support on the Incredible.
On-topic: VZW warehouses dont even have them in stock. As in, they are still awaiting mass-production apparently. Fullfilment Inventory= 0. A few HTC events have had the cable being demoed but not for purchase. Good god how I long for one! Like many of you I have also scoured the interwebs for one with no success. Outside of bumping into a htc rep, looks like we might just have to hurry up and wait fellas.

Yea, just as everyone else i want one bad!!

It is not listed on their parts site yet either. Even though a lot of stuff there is back ordered.

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http: //shop.htcpedia.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=875

^--yes, that's it, but it is not in production yet as far as we know.

Ac t110 tv out cable with hero??

I got the AC T110 TV out cable for HTC and I have a movie transferred from my PC onto my HTC Hero, but when I try to use the TV out cable nothing happens on the TV or phone. I called tech support and was told there is a third party application to make the cable work with the Hero, but they could not tell me the name and I couldn't find the app. Does anyone know one?

Short answer: No
Reason being: I don't think the hardware for TV out is actually in the hero. That cable is meant for the HTC Touch Pro (and maybe Touch Pro2).
Unless somebody discovers that the TV out is in the same video chip, and can get it to output it and then write the software for it.

Though I have never seen the need for it, I thought the entire purpose behind our funky Mini ExtUSB was for Video out....

Kcarpenter said:
Though I have never seen the need for it, I thought the entire purpose behind our funky Mini ExtUSB was for Video out....
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nah htc just made that proprietary to make their own little headphone adapter during the touch diamond era. at least, my friend had one of those...

The ExtUSB has been around for too long.. On most of HTC's phones that have a 3.5mm jack, the functionality of the ExtUSB is expanded to video. I've noticed some funky stuff with different OEM and third-party adapters, so I'll check later.

So I guess the answer so far is No? Cause The tech support lady seemed pretty certain there was an app that could make this possible with that cable from the Hero...

iamnamelees said:
So I guess the answer so far is No? Cause The tech support lady seemed pretty certain there was an app that could make this possible with that cable from the Hero...
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You made the fatal error of believing something a tech support person said to you. Half the time they spew garbage that is fed to them from some guide on how to milk money out of customers or how to placate the customer instead of actually helping them. Failing that they just make something up and hope you don't know any more than they do.

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You made the fatal error of believing something a tech support person said to you. Half the time they spew garbage that is fed to them from some guide on how to milk money out of customers or how to placate the customer instead of actually helping them. Failing that they just make something up and hope you don't know any more than they do.
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Fatal though? Do we have to be so dramatic?

iamnamelees said:
Fatal though? Do we have to be so dramatic?
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It's just a saying man, try not to be so literal.

[Q] Do I really have to pay £20+ for a USB cable?

Why hasn't anyone produced a cheaper alternative yet? I know it's not a common connector, but the phone has been out for a long time now. Any ideas? Thanks.

Do I really have to pay £20+ for a USB cable?
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If you want one YES
I haven't found any third party ones yet

lol..well said.
i hate that phones/laptops use proprietary ****...
but i guess that's where the money is so its stupid not to from a business standpoint.
thats why I always like nokia and htc,,
they would make a top shelf unbranded universal device.
no bs chargers, or batteries, or no mem slot, internal battery etc...
they give you a completely unbranded, un tainted device that actuall does everything...
not the almost everything that these cell phone companies do..
they cant give you everything in one phone because then you will never buy the new one they are selling.
so all that considered the dell streak starts to look pretty damn good...
atleast until the HD3 is released.
I would never have bought this if my HD2 didnt suffer touch screen death.
had dual boot super tech wm 6.5.5 touch rom with froyo 2.2 bluetopia rolling.
It was best of both worlds..
made my nokia n97 seem like a toy.
now the Dell streak has done that even with the HD2..
Extremely impressed!
They call it a tablet but its really a giant cell phone.
they should get Brock Lesnar to endorce it...
it would look very proportional i bet..
so if any marketing vp's are reading this.. there you go...
And,...Brock if you're reading hook me up with some UFC tickets..lol
flub said:
If you want one YES
I haven't found any third party ones yet
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bigfoots1 said:
lol..well said.
i hate that phones/laptops use proprietary ****...
but i guess that's where the money is so its stupid not to from a business standpoint.
thats why I always like nokia and htc,,
they would make a top shelf unbranded universal device.
no bs chargers, or batteries, or no mem slot, internal battery etc...
they give you a completely unbranded, un tainted device that actuall does everything...
not the almost everything that these cell phone companies do..
they cant give you everything in one phone because then you will never buy the new one they are selling.
so all that considered the dell streak starts to look pretty damn good...
atleast until the HD3 is released.
I would never have bought this if my HD2 didnt suffer touch screen death.
had dual boot super tech wm 6.5.5 touch rom with froyo 2.2 bluetopia rolling.
It was best of both worlds..
made my nokia n97 seem like a toy.
now the Dell streak has done that even with the HD2..
Extremely impressed!
They call it a tablet but its really a giant cell phone.
they should get Brock Lesnar to endorce it...
it would look very proportional i bet..
so if any marketing vp's are reading this.. there you go...
And,...Brock if you're reading hook me up with some UFC tickets..lol
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Not that HTC is any better with their USB headphones on some models like my Touch Pro2! And PDMI is not proprietary, but Dell jumped the gun. They should all just have stayed with Mini USB.

bigfoots1 said:
lol..well said.
i hate that phones/laptops use proprietary ****...
but i guess that's where the money is so its stupid not to from a business standpoint.
thats why I always like nokia and htc,,
they would make a top shelf unbranded universal device.
no bs chargers, or batteries, or no mem slot, internal battery etc...
they give you a completely unbranded, un tainted device that actuall does everything...
not the almost everything that these cell phone companies do..
they cant give you everything in one phone because then you will never buy the new one they are selling.
so all that considered the dell streak starts to look pretty damn good...
atleast until the HD3 is released.
I would never have bought this if my HD2 didnt suffer touch screen death.
had dual boot super tech wm 6.5.5 touch rom with froyo 2.2 bluetopia rolling.
It was best of both worlds..
made my nokia n97 seem like a toy.
now the Dell streak has done that even with the HD2..
Extremely impressed!
They call it a tablet but its really a giant cell phone.
they should get Brock Lesnar to endorce it...
it would look very proportional i bet..
so if any marketing vp's are reading this.. there you go...
And,...Brock if you're reading hook me up with some UFC tickets..lol
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Due to the formatting that post was ridiculously hard to read as it just didn't flow.
I agree that paying £20+ for what is supposedly an open standard plug (PDMI) is a bit excessive however it's a sellers market when people are early adopters. In time we will find that the plugs will become available cheaper cables will be produced, I believe members on XDA-Developers have already sussed out the pin-out for the cable, they just need the plugs.
I have been trying to source some however as of yet haven't had any luck, second I find some I'll be making cables like they're going out of fashion.
HansTWN said:
Not that HTC is any better with their USB headphones on some models like my Touch Pro2! And PDMI is not proprietary, but Dell jumped the gun. They should all just have stayed with Mini USB.
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If I remember correctly you can get an adapter for that though can't you?

yes, you'll havbe to excuse the laco of commas and qoutes..
it would of helped..your right.
i type for speed not quality most times
qisback said:
Due to the formatting that post was ridiculously hard to read as it just didn't flow.
I agree that paying £20+ for what is supposedly an open standard plug (PDMI) is a bit excessive however it's a sellers market when people are early adopters. In time we will find that the plugs will become available cheaper cables will be produced, I believe members on XDA-Developers have already sussed out the pin-out for the cable, they just need the plugs.
I have been trying to source some however as of yet haven't had any luck, second I find some I'll be making cables like they're going out of fashion.
If I remember correctly you can get an adapter for that though can't you?
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qisback said:
If I remember correctly you can get an adapter for that though can't you?
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You can get an adapter for the USB headset, but the one that works with a headset with microphone is quite expensive. Besides, it is a real pain, carrying it around, trying not to lose it, etc. And the strange thing about the Touch Pro2 is that sound through the speakers is much better than through headphones.

Really? Not if you steal one.... Lol
Second... Shouldn't that have been a question you asked yourself before you bought a $400 proprietary device?
Swyped from my *Epic*

azyouthinkeyeiz said:
Really? Not if you steal one.... Lol
Second... Shouldn't that have been a question you asked yourself before you bought a $400 proprietary device?
Swyped from my *Epic*
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Obviously I was aware of the cable before I bought the device, it's not enough to stop me buying it, just annoying.

matheprat said:
Obviously I was aware of the cable before I bought the device, it's not enough to stop me buying it, just annoying.
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Exactly, the Touch Pro2 has the best hardware keyboard around and music wasn't my first priority. So I got it and still use it as a business phone. Every device has some drawbacks, as mentioned by others, if they made them almost perfect, why would you think of upgrading early?

keep an eye out for the samsung galaxy tab aswell it uses pdmi connector so should work on the streak, you can also get tv out cable
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I just read on mydellmini site someone has both the Streak &the Galaxy Tab. He states that no they do not work.
The question now is which is standard pdmi, Galaxy Tab or Dell Streak or are neither ?

another member here reported that he ordered this car charger (actually for an iPad) and that it DOES work. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.45227
I ordered one today

Muscleshop said:
another member here reported that he ordered this car charger (actually for an iPad) and that it DOES work. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.45227
Just take the cord and use it
I ordered one today, along with an iPad dock (hoping it works)...I will update this post as needed
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Seems unlikely that it would work? Keep us posted.

Muscleshop said:
another member here reported that he ordered this car charger (actually for an iPad) and that it DOES work. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.45227
Just take the cord and use it
I ordered one today, along with an iPad dock (hoping it works)...I will update this post as needed
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The charger probably works, the cable it's a no no unless you change your streak port to fit an ibrick plug.

Hope he doesn't get flooded with requests...
http://forum.pocketables.net/showthread.php?p=63112
Looks like someone may have found an alt source for cables. They expect a sample from their supplier next week and may be making a bulk order shortly there after - last I heard it was 3 cables, AC adaptor, car adaptor = $30.

Muscleshop said:
another member here reported that he ordered this car charger (actually for an iPad) and that it DOES work. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.45227
Just take the cord and use it
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No - that is NOT what I reported.
That USB charger does work with the Streak - but you need to use the Streak's USB cable to connect it.
The iPad has a completely different USB cable to the Streak ! The cord that comes with the car charger is to fit the iPad, not the Streak - so you can just throw it in the bin.

http://m.wikitree.co.kr/mobile_view.php?ar_id=17134&u_id=148&part=&search=
The picture showing the Dell Strea sync cable on the website linked above seems to indicate in its caption that the same cable could be used for a Zune HD (I say seems as I don't read Korean).
Would someone be able to verify that a Zune HD uses PDMI (and the same 30-pin connector) and so possibly ZUne cables may be an alternative?

sejtam said:
http://m.wikitree.co.kr/mobile_view.php?ar_id=17134&u_id=148&part=&search=
The picture showing the Dell Strea sync cable on the website linked above seems to indicate in its caption that the same cable could be used for a Zune HD (I say seems as I don't read Korean).
Would someone be able to verify that a Zune HD uses PDMI (and the same 30-pin connector) and so possibly ZUne cables may be an alternative?
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Zune HD is 24 pin and streak is 30 pin
http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/Microsoft_Zune
Thanks to meralias from irc

I posted a solution here without having to look for new cables or sodering usb chargers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10634108&highlight=car+charger#post10634108
Basically, it seems that firmware dictated how the usb cable charged. Rooted my 1.6, and flashed up to Stock 2.2 released by Dell for its unlocked units. I'm unsure if the earlier versions (2.1) would work too. Anyhow, no longer had any problems and could charge in my car just fine without overheating. Make sure whatever usb car charger you get, that the port has at least 1A of juice coming out. Good luck!

Nomgle said:
No - that is NOT what I reported.
That USB charger does work with the Streak - but you need to use the Streak's USB cable to connect it.
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Whoops. Extremely sorry about my mis-read guys/gals.