One subject I have not seen questioned yet is the ability of the Bionic to use voice and data similtanously. I would think it should be able to on at least 4g only like the lg revo. I wonder if it can also on 3g as well like the thunderbolt. Anyone know yet?
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You can only do it on 4G. The Thunderbolt can only do it on 4G. 3G on Verizon is CDMA and it is not capable of simultaneous voice and data. At least in its current Rev A state.
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You can only do it on 4G. The Thunderbolt can only do it on 4G. 3G on Verizon is CDMA and it is not capable of simultaneous voice and data. At least in its current Rev A state.
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Quite positive thunderbolt can do it on 3g. Its called "SVDO".
Revo and Charge can only do it 4g.
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I believe the Thunderbolt has dual radios to accomplish this? Am I mistaken? If that's the case, I've seen no mention of dual radios in the Bionic, but I will still be getting this beast!
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You can only do it on 4G. The Thunderbolt can only do it on 4G. 3G on Verizon is CDMA and it is not capable of simultaneous voice and data. At least in its current Rev A state.
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Nope. The Thunderbolt has SVDO. Simultaneous voice and data are possible over 3G.
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I believe the Thunderbolt has dual radios to accomplish this? Am I mistaken? If that's the case, I've seen no mention of dual radios in the Bionic, but I will still be getting this beast!
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No, the Thunderbolt has a radio with SVDO enabled. Even without LTE, the Thunderbolt can still do voice and data at the same time.
Regardless, the Bionic will have two separate radios as LTE enabled SOCs haven't been released yet.
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You can only do it on 4G. The Thunderbolt can only do it on 4G. 3G on Verizon is CDMA and it is not capable of simultaneous voice and data. At least in its current Rev A state.
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That is wrong. The thunderbolt can carry on a voice conversation and send/receive data while in 3g.
E30kid said:
No, the Thunderbolt has a radio with SVDO enabled. Even without LTE, the Thunderbolt can still do voice and data at the same time.
Regardless, the Bionic will have two separate radios as LTE enabled SOCs haven't been released yet.
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Actually the Thunderbolt also has two separate radios as well. The way it achieves SVDO is due to its LTE radio also being able to support EV-DO. The complete details can be found here.
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Hey I have a dumb question but with Sprint can you not be on the phone and on the internet at the same time?
You can use wifi while on the phone but not mobile data.
With the new HTC Evo you can be on the internet and in a call. But you have to be using 4g network (which is still spotty coverage).
With the new HTC Evo you can be on the internet and in a call. But you have to be using 4g network (which is still spotty coverage).
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I read somewhere they can't do this yet. There will be an update that allows it in the future.
It's one thing the iPhone can do because it is gsm 3g... stupid cdma
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stupid cdma
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How dare you?!? Blas-fee-mer!
lol, jk
Well seriously though, it really is stupid that we don't have support for this yet. I really need it with the way I tether for my job.
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Rev B can do it but I guess CDMA providers thought that Rev A is all we need CDMA is such a letdown after being on GSM for over 10 years.
If you can get some kind of SIP client running reliably and forward your phone # to the SIP you could be talking and using data at the same time.
I know that Verizon uses the non SIM card format...CDMA?
I am on T mobile and have a relative that wants to give me his original Droid. My question is if it is possible or not to unlock a droid and put it on T-mobile?
Id appreciate any help. thanks!
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I know that Verizon uses the non SIM card format...CDMA?
I am on T mobile and have a relative that wants to give me his original Droid. My question is if it is possible or not to unlock a droid and put it on T-mobile?
Id appreciate any help. thanks!
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Different radio band with,you can't make it run on the different frequency otherwise people would be using Sprint phone's or ATT phone's on Verizon, or visa-versa all the time. Networks install different radio bandwidths in the devices so you can use a phone that they can guarantee you have a signal depending on their coverage area. Not sure but pretty safe to say here to achieve that in a device made specificly for Verizon not gonna be possible. Correct me if I'm wrong by all means but haven't seen anyone do that yet.
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Definitely why I asked imma keep fishing though, I want a %100 guarantee, know what I mean? Unless it comes down to an absolute hardware issue.
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I've seen someone with the signature "sent from my Verizon powered evo 4G" I forget who it was and never asked then how they did it.
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Definitely why I asked imma keep fishing though, I want a %100 guarantee, know what I mean? Unless it comes down to an absolute hardware issue.
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It's simply not possible. The radio frequencies of a GSM network (AT&T, T-Mobile) cannot be detected by the antennas of a CDMA phone (Verizon, Sprint, cricKet) without hardware modification among other things. It's like expecting to get 4G out of a 3G phone; not to mention the network encryption and MID issues.
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I've seen someone with the signature "sent from my Verizon powered evo 4G" I forget who it was and never asked then how they did it.
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This dude was probably out-of-country or straight-up lying. I've seen this a lot on XDA.
SOURCE: I used to work for Sprint.
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It's simply not possible. The radio frequencies of a GSM network (AT&T, T-Mobile) cannot be detected by the antennas of a CDMA phone (Verizon, Sprint, cricKet) without hardware modification among other things. It's like expecting to get 4G out of a 3G phone; not to mention the network encryption and MID issues.
This dude was probably out-of-country or straight-up lying. I've seen this a lot on XDA.
SOURCE: I used to work for Sprint.
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To my reply lol. Nice source
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The answer is NO.
The Motorola Droid can't even accept a SIM card. It's useless to you.
I was definitely able to talk and surf the web simultaneously on my gs3 but I cannot on my HTC one. Wtf. Does anyone have this problem
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CDMA does not allow for simultaneous voice and data. The GS3 and the Evo 4G LTE and a few others were able to do so only because Qualcomm made something special for them... But for the 600 it does not work sadly. 4G + voice works though. You'll get 4G soon enough :\
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I was definitely able to talk and surf the web simultaneously on my gs3 but I cannot on my HTC one. Wtf. Does anyone have this problem
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Are you on 4G LTE when trying this?
My one works. But I am in a lte coverage area
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Yep, if on 3g you won't be able to navigate and surf. I'm on a 4g lte area as well so I don't have this problem.
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jmcioc said:
I was definitely able to talk and surf the web simultaneously on my gs3 but I cannot on my HTC one. Wtf. Does anyone have this problem
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The S3 and EVO 4G LTE used the Qualcomm MSM8960 which allowed simultaneous Data and Talk via SVDO. This was as mentioned unique to the MSM8960 SoC and is no longer integrated into any Qualcomm SoC and therefore is not available and will not be available on Sprint phones going forward. This has been discussed elsewhere.
You can talk when connected to 4G and Wifi.
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The S3 and EVO 4G LTE used the Qualcomm MSM8960 which allowed simultaneous Data and Talk via SVDO. This was as mentioned unique to the MSM8960 SoC and is no longer integrated into any Qualcomm SoC and therefore is not available and will not be available on Sprint phones going forward. This has been discussed elsewhere.
You can talk when connected to 4G and Wifi.
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Well that makes that chip awesome. I don't know why they wouldn't further implement that feature. Oh well I probably won't be getting 4g for a while (officially). Does sgs4 support this or do you need 4g nowadays.
btw thanks everyone for the responses.
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Well that makes that chip awesome. I don't know why they wouldn't further implement that feature. Oh well I probably won't be getting 4g for a while (officially). Does sgs4 support this or do you need 4g nowadays.
btw thanks everyone for the responses.
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Sprint has said there will not be anymore SVDO phones. I think the idea is LTE for Data and CDMA for voice. Maybe eventually Voice over LTE?
I know this doesn't sound possible hell I Dont believe it myself but I am in LittleRock Arkansas where Sprint has NO 4g, I'm up here at work bored so I flash the 1000 Verizon prl, I unlock my SIM card (don't think that mattered , I didn't put a SIM card in). I forced roaming on my phone and I about had a heart attack when the 4g showed in my notification bar!! I thought it may be wrong but I ran some speed test with and without it. The catch is I lost voice. How is this possible?
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When u get it again go to the 4g settings it should tell u some info
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Highly doubt it... Verizon is operating LTE on 700 mhz (the latest article I saw was that in 2015 they will plan to shift some EVDO to LTE on 1900). The Sprint HTC One only supports LTE on 1900.
Just because Sprint hasn't officially announced LTE in that area doesn't mean they haven't been doing the update. They have a ton of location that have spotty (and even complete) LTE coverage that aren't even officially on the LTE list.
The n.ispsn is something new also.
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Just because Sprint hasn't officially announced LTE in that area doesn't mean they haven't been doing the update. They have a ton of location that have spotty (and even complete) LTE coverage that aren't even officially on the LTE list.
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If this is in fact true, how come I can't get it on Sprint PRL?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
4G Verizon Wireless 700 MHz, 1700/2100 MHz (Planned)
It is physically impossible for the Sprint HTC One to use Verizon LTE... The Sprint HTC One doesn't even have a radio chip for 700 mhz, let alone LTE on 800 mhz.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ummer-start-selling-aws-friendly-phones-soon/
Verizon currently operates its LTE network exclusively on Band 13 (in the 700MHz range), a band it controls nationwide.
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http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-device-support-aws-lte-approved-fcc/2013-01-03
Verizon has indicated it plans to use AWS spectrum to augment its existing LTE network, which runs on its 700 MHz spectrum.
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If this is in fact true, how come I can't get it on Sprint PRL?
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i have the same thing on my phone and my prl is 55015
you are connecting to sprint 4g
Come on man....yes ive tried it. I only get 3g when on Spring's PRL. It's also strange that I lost voice when forced roaming.
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Congratulations sir you work now has 4G : )))
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Congratulations sir you work now has 4G : )))
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Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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I've played with some different PRL's some allow 4g, some don't. But on all the ones that allows it I can't download apps from the app store. Updating my profile loses 4g until the reboot.
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Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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Can you link me to that PRL? I'll give it a shot. Sprint has no 4G here so it will be a good test.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
It's the 0001 prl
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I've played with some different PRL's some allow 4g, some don't. But on all the ones that allows it I can't download apps from the app store. Updating my profile loses 4g until the reboot.
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Force roaming causing 4G detection isn't anything new, actually. If you put the device into LTE mode only, it achieves something similar. The device would much rather stay on Sprint service if at all possible and will take a weak LTE signal if it can (even if it would normally prefer a nearby Sprint tower providing 3G coverage).
The speeds you've posted are in-line with a Sprint 4G test/slow rollout and would frankly be rather laughable on Verizon's 4G network-- if we get around the obvious hurtle that it is not physically possible for your phone to pick up Verizon's LTE, full stop.
Eliminate what's impossible (by hardware) and we have a series of at least possible alternatives.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
It's the 0001 prl
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Oh, *that* one. I used to use it all the time until it stopped giving me Verizon 3G. Now all I get with it is 1x. I would try it, but I'm running 4.3 now and don't want to nandroid back to a Sense ROM just to confirm that it's not working.
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Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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Sprint 4G on initial release in an area or an a tower is very wonky. It's off and on, slow and only works at a short range. Just be patient and you will get it really soon. They just activated it in a couple areas where I live also. They tend to put them near Sprint Corp stores.
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The speeds you've posted are in-line with a Sprint 4G test/slow rollout and would frankly be rather laughable on Verizon's 4G network-- if we get around the obvious hurtle that it is not physically possible for your phone to pick up Verizon's LTE, full stop.
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It's probably Sprint I just can't [email protected]$king believe it. As impossible as my theory sounded, I thought it was more probable than Sprint bringing 4g to Arkansas. Here are some more speeds. I honestly don't know how they compare to Verizon's, I just wanted to show I got some consistent 9-10 range before it went to ****...
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It's probably Sprint I just can't [email protected]$king believe it. As impossible as my theory sounded, I thought it was more probable than Sprint bringing 4g to Arkansas. Here are some more speeds. I honestly don't know how they compare to Verizon's, I just wanted to show I got some consistent 9-10 range before it went to ****...
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Why is it unbelievable that Sprint is bringing 4g to Arkansas... They HAVE TO do the NV update on every single tower that broadcasts Sprint Signal. It is cheap as dirt to just add the LTE hardware into the NV station once the NV upgrade is completed. This is a nation wide requirement since they are about to do some wonky ass things on the 1900 MHz PCS bands (when they start to reallocate their allowed bandwidth to different techs, it is an across the board FCC license).
I'm from Arkansas too and have been keeping up with the 4G there because that's where I travel to every chance I get. Jonesboro has sprint lte and it's been planned for little rock and Fayetteville to get it for months. It was only a matter of which day. I'm surprised it took them this long. But it was expected. I'm so happy to hear this wonderful news
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Does the vzw n6 have 2 radios to allow simultaneous call & data even in 3G?
No
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it can do volte though, which is better. thats voice and data, at the same time, over lte.
What if only 3G available?
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What if only 3G available?
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out of luck?
get tmobile, voice and data always work, regardless