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Is 192 RAM a not enough?

I am planning on buying a HTC G1, but after I read that there is only 192mb RAM I decided to wait.
I have a few questions:
1. Can you make a swapfile on the G1?
2. Would there be a big speed/stability difference with 192 and 256 RAM?
3. How does 2.0/2.1 run compared to 1.6?
I will be using this as a PDA, not a phone and will be doing lots of gaming and web browsing on it.
Thank you,
~moonscapex

Buy a Nexus......

I would, but I can't afford one

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I would, but I can't afford one
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save up for one. Don't get a g1, it's already too outdated. save up and buy a good phone that'll last a while. By the time you have the money tucked away I'm sure you'll see phones even better than the nexus one.

Yes, I already have a high-end winmo PDA, so I am looking for a lower end Android phone.

I agree with others that say to get a different phone. I love my G1 to death, but there's no way I'd buy one today if I were in the market. It's just too limited.
That said, I'll try and answer your questions.
1. Yes, running swap is possible using a rooted phone and custom ROM. It's debated whether this actually helps any.
2. The 192 vs. 256 MB difference helps a great deal. There's just not a lot of memory left to run many apps and do much task switching on the newer iterations of the OS with only 192MB. The number of apps you can install is also limited by this number (unless you're running a rooted phone and installing apps to your SD card.)
3. On a G1, 2.0/2.1 is pretty slow. At this point I wouldn't use it as a daily use ROM.
The two functions you listed as your primary activities are the two things that the G1 does the worst. It's underpowered for a lot of games (not to mention the horrible battery life when you start playing games) and browsing the web can be a chore given the limited memory and CPU. It works great for basic things like email, maps/navigation, music, productivity apps, but it's pretty slow for other stuff.

OK, thank you. That is the kind of answer I was looking for. I will look into some other phones.

The G1 is ideal for what your looking for. Man people love to drift off don't they

Yeah they do...
Has anyone else tried Android 2.1 on their G1?

If you root it, in addition to the debatable swapping to the SD for more ram and cache, you can overclock the things. Probably a bit hard on your battery and might generate unacceptable heat, don't know. You might just get it up to 2/3's to 3/4th's the speed of a Nexus for the cost of a bigger battery. Maybe then you could run 2.1 effectively. Who knows.
I'd buy it used. They go for about $175 on ebay unlocked. If you screw it up you've not lost that much. You can resell your broken one on ebay for about $75
Regards, PK

Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers

Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?

moonscapex said:
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
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Yeah they are

Personally
I preordered a G1... rooted it early in the beginnings of Haykuro and JF... and 16 months later I still say there isnt a replacement... I got a full upgrade and I still havent taken advantage... The N1 is nice, if you can live wo the hard keyboard... If you want a low end android, the G1 is a good starter phone...
I run both 2.1 and 1.6 roms.. The 1.6 roms are really fast, The 2.1 roms are worth having on your phone to show off... I can stream music on 3G from 8am to about 230-3pm at work on either so batt life is fine either way on a normal day...
I dont know what kind of gaming you do, but my old school emulators do the trick nicely run on any rom and with the hard keyboard controls are great... I use a ram hack that removes the 3d accelerator for another 8mb of usable ram, so I cant comment on 3d games...
Bricking a G1 is almost impossible now with all the good tutorials... the G1 is the easiest to root, hack, flash, customize... all that in my own eyes... Ive brought noobs down the rabbit hole and now they are cookin up roms and themes like crazy...
I on the other hand still patiently wait for a new bigger better stronger phone (with a hard keyboard) to replace my G1 and I know it will not be in the low end android bracket..

protomanez said:
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
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My setiments exactly. Hate to say it but it's just fun to see or learn somthing new.
Good thread for Android noobes.
Regards, PK

So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?

moonscapex said:
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
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Not really. You must replace the kernel, so it's basically just as complicated as reflashing.

I'ts simple.
Flash the boot.img and reboot.
All gone.
(and vice versa)
you wont loose any data or anything.

Is it a good idea to buy HTC Incredible S instead of HTC Desire?

Only thing it is holding me back because it isn't popular phone so I might don't have much of support or any help for rooting, hardware issue or anything like that. I could just save $150 and go for HTC Desire, but I like 8mpx, front camera and the screen on HTC Incredible S. I like HTC Desire because it is quite popular and it has a lot of support, but Incredible S sounds and look much cooler.
Also excuse me for posting in wrong section, I couldn't find a correct section for general discussion of android phone (hardware).
EDIT: I posted this thread in both section Desire and Incredible S for unbiased opinion.

Of course it's a good idea, because that's exactly what i just did
The screens better on the IS, just search on youtube. Better contrast and colour rendition.
Got nothing against the size of the HD, i might sell and buy a Sensation when released.
If you're on about the original Desire, it just now looks so outdated IMO.
I wouldn't consider Desire s, heard one to many nightmare stories of wifi dropouts.

mrHD2 said:
Of course it's a good idea, because that's exactly what i just did
The screens better on the IS, just search on youtube. Better contrast and colour rendition.
Got nothing against the size of the HD, i might sell and buy a Sensation when released.
If you're on about the original Desire, it just now looks so outdated IMO.
I wouldn't consider Desire s, heard one to many nightmare stories of wifi dropouts.
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Can you root it and put a custom ROM? If so, does the guide exist?

if you searched further than your nose long is, u had the answer on that

Really depends on what you want to do with the phone. The screen display is a lot better than desire. If you just wanna a phone to use, IS is the choice. If you are a fun of installing custom ROMs, desire is probably a better choice. As far as I know, software rooting is not available yet for IS.

if you are comparing stock to stock...
the major advantage of having an IS is the internal memory... on a fresh stock rom...
Desire would have around 147MB for you to use for all your apps.. and you have to spare 30MB for OTA updates purpose...
if you have IS you have 1.07GB on a fresh rom... so many apps you can install without any worries

I switched last week from Desire to an IS.
I think it's a relief.
The screen is much better, it's a bit faster than the Desire.
Screensize is perfect for my pockets. Sound is pretty good.
Enough space for installing apps.
Also the touch buttons are cool.
Still I don't understand why this phone isn't that populair.

Dual cores
_Flea_ said:
I switched last week from Desire to an IS.
I think it's a relief.
The screen is much better, it's a bit faster than the Desire.
Screensize is perfect for my pockets. Sound is pretty good.
Enough space for installing apps.
Also the touch buttons are cool.
Still I don't understand why this phone isn't that populair.
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Becoz most people are keen on getting a dual core phone and they turn blind to see the features of the single core phones!

RobinRichard said:
Becoz most people are keen on getting a dual core phone and they turn blind to see the features of the single core phones!
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At first I was looking at a dual core as well.
But after all I thought: what is the real benefit at the moment?
I mean, I don't call that much a month, use internet a lot, play some simple games, listen to music and that's it.
My Desire could handle all those things very good.
I must say that I'm very happy with my IS and I'm glad I didn't wait for a dual core.

Bear in mind the Desire has some issues with multi-touch, and battery life isn't particularly good. It is readily rootable however, while some variants of the Incredible S are not.

My friend had a Desire nd i have an IS ... Go for the IS no doubt.. so fat the issues i ve seen in multi touch . battery life, screen , speed ( cause of RAM ) .. IS wins hands down

[Q] SGS vs Desire S? Which to get? HELP!

Hi, im writing for a friend as he wants some advice.
he is choosing between both these smartphones (No others - as he can't afford newer ones, i.e - sgs2)
He is in a dilemna between the both.. he prefably wants a larger screen + better colours. but the desire s is newer, has a slightly better cpu etc.
Which one is better? Will the SGS get updated to gingerbread and beyond?
Which has better battery life in general? Is the SGS still a good phone even though it is 1 year old?
Thanks for responses!

This is a galaxy forum, so the answer from here is obvious! ;p
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slaphead20 said:
This is a galaxy forum, so the answer from here is obvious! ;p
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yeh, haha i thought that would be the response. but perhaps some honest ppl who have had a sgs for a while can give my friend feedback on it and how the device is, whther it is worth it or the desire s.

If you are into rooting and running custom roms, then the sgs for definate
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slaphead20 said:
If you are into rooting and running custom roms, then the sgs for definate
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thanks! But what if you are not for the average user... is the sgs good out of the box? personally my sgs 2 is good out of the box.. what about this? thanks!

Sgs is naff outa the box, laggy n crap, but v good once tweaked
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Galaxy S, of course
You can already flash gingerbread and there are lots of custom roms.
Using cm7, it's blazing fast and you can overclock it up to 1.5Ghz with some kernels (but most phones can only reach 1.4Ghz or 1.44Ghz stable, which is still a 40%+ overclock)
So if you wanted a better cpu... well the cpu is a real beast. And you can't beat that screen.
Imo if you're not afraid to flash, the galaxy S is just awesome.
btw, the battery of the desire s is a little bit smaller than the one on the galaxy s, but I don't know about the battery life.
But yeah, the desire s might be better out of the box, since without lagfix the galaxy s isn't all that great...
The only advantage the desire s has other than that is more RAM.

slaphead20 said:
Sgs is naff outa the box, laggy n crap, but v good once tweaked
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thanks, what exactly is wrong with it out the box? i used a lot at stores and don't find this problem...?

koflem said:
Galaxy S, of course
You can already flash gingerbread and there are lots of custom roms.
Using cm7, it's blazing fast and you can overclock it up to 1.5Ghz with some kernels (but most phones can only reach 1.4Ghz or 1.44Ghz stable, which is still a 40%+ overclock)
So if you wanted a better cpu... well the cpu is a real beast. And you can't beat that screen.
Imo if you're not afraid to flash, the galaxy S is just awesome.
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Thanks! Will it get the official update too?

is it also true the Desire S supports 14.4 mb/s speed while the sgs is only 7.2mb/s...?
Will there be a great difference?

is this "friend" hypothetical ? lol
SGS will get Gingerbread officially yes, Some users have it official at the moment , dependant on the location in the world.
i too would suggest SGS, The desire is a good phone and i doubt your "friend" would be disappointed if they chose it.
BUT !!! as mentioned before the SGS is awesome when tweaked, loads of excellent developers making it even more awesome. and the screen..... its unbeatable
But as a conclusion, the SGS is a year old, why not get your "friend" to invest in an SGS2 ??

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is this "friend" hypothetical ? lol
SGS will get Gingerbread officially yes, Some users have it official at the moment , dependant on the location in the world.
i too would suggest SGS, The desire is a good phone and i doubt your "friend" would be disappointed if they chose it.
BUT !!! as mentioned before the SGS is awesome when tweaked, loads of excellent developers making it even more awesome. and the screen..... its unbeatable
But as a conclusion, the SGS is a year old, why not get your "friend" to invest in an SGS2 ??
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yeh ahah. cheers
My friend is very non-tech and is a n00b at modding he wants a phone now lol, he cant wait as he's going on a looong holiday soon and wants a good phone... it's his choice haha.
nice it has GB update! But i heard the sgs has bad gps problems.... :/ also the pro abt the sgs is it has 8gb storage > 1.1gb sotrage on the desire s..
Is a sgs non-tweaked out the box stable/good?

olyloh6696 said:
yeh ahah. cheers
My friend is very non-tech and is a n00b at modding he wants a phone now lol, he cant wait as he's going on a looong holiday soon and wants a good phone... it's his choice haha.
nice it has GB update! But i heard the sgs has bad gps problems.... :/ also the pro abt the sgs is it has 8gb storage > 1.1gb sotrage on the desire s..
Is a sgs non-tweaked out the box stable/good?
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GPS can be affected on a scale of things,
But there are countless threads / apps / tweaks to make it better, I personally dont have any GPS issues and never did when i was on a stock ROM.
if your friend is happy with a nice stable phone with many uses then a stock SGS will suit him fine.
however if he is like a lot of us android users and wants to hack the crap out of his SGS he will be jizzing in his pants .... lol
The sgs comes in a 16 GB version too.... and sd card upto 32GB so plenty and plenty of storage
EDIT: i was happy running stock ROMS - but i knew i could get more from my phone so i got involved with the wrong crowd, ended up becoming an addict and now i have withdrawal symptoms if i dont get my daily fix DAMN YOU XDA !!! lol

azzledazzle said:
GPS can be affected on a scale of things,
But there are countless threads / apps / tweaks to make it better, I personally dont have any GPS issues and never did when i was on a stock ROM.
if your friend is happy with a nice stable phone with many uses then a stock SGS will suit him fine.
however if he is like a lot of us android users and wants to hack the crap out of his SGS he will be jizzing in his pants .... lol
The sgs comes in a 16 GB version too.... and sd card upto 32GB so plenty and plenty of storage
EDIT: i was happy running stock ROMS - but i knew i could get more from my phone so i got involved with the wrong crowd, ended up becoming an addict and now i have withdrawal symptoms if i dont get my daily fix DAMN YOU XDA !!! lol
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Haha, thanks for the info mate, it's much appreciated!" i guess that could clear things up a bit for him! The only minor con in the gs is it has 512 ram which doesnt seem much compared to the desire s 768mb haha.. i also kind of get where your heading .
my tab is so damn laggy and i have been on the stock rom since i got it.. tempted to flash now..

unused RAM is wasted RAM.
take no notice of things like that, you will hear a lot about quadrant scores , RAM tweaks and so on.
if your phone feels fast for YOU thats all that matters, if you want a little extra speed then you can have it lol.
its all about finding the right balance for YOU, dont always panic about not having the newest ROM / Kernel / update and so on...
and by saying YOU - i mean your friend lol

azzledazzle said:
unused RAM is wasted RAM.
take no notice of things like that, you will hear a lot about quadrant scores , RAM tweaks and so on.
if your phone feels fast for YOU thats all that matters, if you want a little extra speed then you can have it lol.
its all about finding the right balance for YOU, dont always panic about not having the newest ROM / Kernel / update and so on...
and by saying YOU - i mean your friend lol
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thanks lol But why do lots of reviews say more RAM makes it smoother??? If it is just going to waste??
hopefully performance should be satisying enough

well its like RAM on a PC - it can make multi tasking smoother, but if you have 1GB of RAM and eveything you do uses 0.5GB of RAM, that extra is wasting away.
dont buy in to the hype of more is better, its not always the case, if it feels quick and responds quick, and that satisfies you, thats the main point.
Hell !! i would like a super computer with 10GB RAM - 5TB hard drive and so on... But my current PC does everything i want and it does it quick...... if ya catch my drift ?

azzledazzle said:
well its like RAM on a PC - it can make multi tasking smoother, but if you have 1GB of RAM and eveything you do uses 0.5GB of RAM, that extra is wasting away.
dont buy in to the hype of more is better, its not always the case, if it feels quick and responds quick, and that satisfies you, thats the main point.
Hell !! i would like a super computer with 10GB RAM - 5TB hard drive and so on... But my current PC does everything i want and it does it quick...... if ya catch my drift ?
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yeh, thanks haha!

Bump, still open to opinions believe it or not! he has 2 great offers for both devices.,.
will sgs still need 'fixes' after GB update?
cheers guys

As long as Samsung uses RFS as a file-system I believe it will always need a lagfix. I doubt they will ever get it right.
With every update people keep saying it's not required anymore, but when using a single ROM for more than 3 weeks it is imho.
I had XWJS3 for 4 weeks and it started lagging like hell.
So for average-users I tend to recommend HTC.

[Q] HTC Incredible S internal storage shipped?

I'm thinking of getting htc incredible s but i want to know what is the internal storage it come with it , in the specs they said its 1.1 GB but what is the real left that i can use for storing apps ?? i don't want the problem i faced with htc desire happen again with incredible s

I don't know about when it was clean but I installed a ****load of apps and games (mostly gameloft) and I still have around 700mb of space. I owned a desire in the past and you won't have space problems with this one for sure.

Mine is pretty much clean (still waiting for the HTC Unlock code), and what's avaliable for apps is slightly over 1GB (installed 3-4 things and it's down to 0.98GB)

Thanks guys for the info , yeah i think 1 GB is good for apps , another thing since you already buy the phone , how do think the design ? some review said it look cheap ? what do u think ?

I think that the Incredible S looks solid for it's design. The back is unique but it actually fits the hand quite nice.
In terms of build quality, the battery can get slightly creeky but it can be solved by putting some tape/padding on the battery cover to help it stop flexing. Other than that shortfall, it feels quite nice and fits the price you pay.

i read in some threads that they got dust under their screens ? do u have this issue ?

I've only had it for a few days, only started using it today since i received my unlock code.
Only time will tell, but so far no dust.

Hey Guys, please keep the original post in mind...
The Incredible-S has 1.1 GB free for User-Apps and User-Data.
So i also can confirm: You should not run into internal-space-problems. It's about 8-times more space compared to the classic Desire.
But (now i'm going offtopic, too ): The Incredible S has a locked Bootloader. Therefore, as far as i can see, it's not possible to install a custom ROM. This could be a no-go, especially, if you follow the XDA-forum...

prinzhernan said:
I don't know about when it was clean but I installed a ****load of apps and games (mostly gameloft) and I still have around 700mb of space. I owned a desire in the past and you won't have space problems with this one for sure.
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gamesloft files are mainly stored on the memory card.
You can unlock the bootloader but it requires a specific hardware called xtc clips.

Desire C.

Well I got my son his upgrade this week, a desire c.
Its nice, running ics, has 95mb internal to start with, a nippy 600 core. And once connected to a good size SD card, it monitors and shares space around the phone.
The bump to send an app feature is cool.
I was disappointed to find we have a faster phone overall and yet we cannot have it.
Also found playing temple run easy on the desire c.
So....after the 14day grace period is over I'm gonna have a look inside it. See what I can find. And being as there's no forum for it just yet...try and root it too.
But this makes me think why should we carry on with this salsa?? HTC don't care. Our phone shops are knocking them out cheap, and as I did say to them when I got the upgrade, how can u sell a phone that will never be supported by its maker.....I just got a disgruntled look and told that's htc for you.
I will never stop producing roms etc for this but I may move to the new xperia range yet as its far more advanced now Unless something can be done for us.
So people what we need is a kernel developer to help us. There issue is they don't have our phone to test it on...so why should they help us.....anyone find a way to get this moving...please post up!
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BigBearEvo said:
Well I got my son his upgrade this week, a desire c.
Its nice, running ics, has 95mb internal to start with, a nippy 600 core. And once connected to a good size SD card, it monitors and shares space around the phone.
The bump to send an app feature is cool.
I was disappointed to find we have a faster phone overall and yet we cannot have it.
Also found playing temple run easy on the desire c.
So....after the 14day grace period is over I'm gonna have a look inside it. See what I can find. And being as there's no forum for it just yet...try and root it too.
But this makes me think why should we carry on with this salsa?? HTC don't care. Our phone shops are knocking them out cheap, and as I did say to them when I got the upgrade, how can u sell a phone that will never be supported by its maker.....I just got a disgruntled look and told that's htc for you.
I will never stop producing roms etc for this but I may move to the new xperia range yet as its far more advanced now Unless something can be done for us.
So people what we need is a kernel developer to help us. There issue is they don't have our phone to test it on...so why should they help us.....anyone find a way to get this moving...please post up!
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can a one x kernel dveloper can do that
i have pm'ed a guy called faux123 who devlops htc phones kernels
i have asked him about making a ksc for android 2.3.5
Hope everything turns out good