The same message as left on the rootzwiki AOSP thread:
HTC isn't going to be able to help if they don't know the problem (and don't assume that they do).
Everyone interested in helping who can't develop would benefit from contacting HTC on their website's contact form (which I can't link to xD) and let them know our position and why we want AOSP.
It is really easy and quick to do, and you have no reason not to if you want the current hurdles overcome.
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They won't give us the info we need. Honestly no reason to do this. Hate to be a downer especially since I was on my second vivid I only got because of this project and had high hopes we could overcome what HTC did to lock this device down re: radio firmware and security checks(bit of a debate right now over the definition of a security check). Really only recommendation I can give is to not buy HTC (might as well be Motorola) in the future.
Edit: this is akin to fuses or hyuh asking them to detail the wire trick.
It's not so much HTC but google as well. Google source bank doesn't support LTE. I love HTC its just the lte modem that's a pain for development. Mainly why I bought an international non LTE one x. Asop is working great on it.
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kozmikkick said:
It's not so much HTC but google as well. Google source bank doesn't support LTE. I love HTC its just the lte modem that's a pain for development. Mainly why I bought an international non LTE one x. Asop is working great on it.
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CAF has LTE support and AOSP is only meant to build for their devices. All LTE devices I have but Holiday have aosp fully functional. The issue are security checks put in by HTC on this device.
Edit: jewel has same checks as well as some other HTC 8960 devices, but they have alsa source so it's moot.
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Copy pasting and editing my response from over there:
They won't give us the info we need. Honestly no reason to do this. Hate to be a downer especially since I was on my second vivid I only got because of this project and had high hopes we could overcome what HTC did to lock this device down re: radio firmware and security checks(bit of a debate right now over the definition of a security check). Really only recommendation I can give is to not buy HTC (might as well be Motorola) in the future.
Edit: this is akin to fuses or hyuh asking them to detail the wire trick.
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I agree with what you're saying, and things only look worse for the future. Samsung is the next greatest thing, but the Verizon GSIII got locked down (yes, it's been cracked already, but still). It'd be ignorant to think Samsung wouldn't start to lock down on other carriers. Where do we go? LG?
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now the deisre phone is getting an update for 720 p recoring and such and why cant the nexus get an update with more features????? is this possible will we see such features coming out for our beloved nexus one??? cmon!!
i know we already got 720 with rooted phones but none rooted i mean??
I asked about this earlier and apparently google dosent care about nexua one owners and we will never get feature updates. Kinda makes me mad when i was choosing between an n1 and desire. The only thing hding me off the desire was north american 3g but now it has it.
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I asked about this earlier and apparently google dosent care about nexua one owners and we will never get feature updates. Kinda makes me mad when i was choosing between an n1 and desire. The only thing hding me off the desire was north american 3g but now it has it.
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right? i actually might get the htc evo or some other phone because of this reason....dont get me wrong guys nexus is a nice phone but the lack of updates and now basically no one is really selling it means obsolete....sorry...
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I asked about this earlier and apparently google dosent care about nexua one owners and we will never get feature updates. Kinda makes me mad when i was choosing between an n1 and desire. The only thing hding me off the desire was north american 3g but now it has it.
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really?
the nexus one is still google's dev phone of choice and will be selling it through their dev page.
not to mention that it got froyo before any other device.
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really?
the nexus one is still google's dev phone of choice and will be selling it through their dev page.
not to mention that it got froyo before any other device.
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beside if any the os updates where are the manufacture updates?? htc??? adding radio and such and 720 p and much more??? not been rooted of course??
it is Google Nexus one, not HTC Nexus one. Google is responsible for updates.
Even though they have stopped the retail store, that doesn't mean they stopped supporting the phone.
It will be sold to devs and as far as we know Google will still update as, as it is their flagship device.
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beside if any the os updates where are the manufacture updates?? htc??? adding radio and such and 720 p and much more??? not been rooted of course??
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Google already added a new radio with FroYo. As mentioned, HTC is out of the picture
I believe he meant FM radio
We will get the regular os updates but apparently google wont add features like 720p video or fm radio even though the n1 supports it.
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If you bought a nexus one for support from google shame on you. Its about the developer community and 720p video for nexus one has been around for months on cyanogen's roms.
Not rooting your nexus one is wasting your devices potential. Get another phone if you don't want to root
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If you bought a nexus one for support from google shame on you. Its about the developer community and 720p video for nexus one has been around for months on cyanogen's roms.
Not rooting your nexus one is wasting your devices potential. Get another phone if you don't want to root
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i know it has but all tend to struggle like for example the fm radio still a failure if only we had drivers for such on the nexus one but still no realease and from who?? google??
I didnt buy the n1 for google's support but i atleast thought they would let the phone work at its full potential( fm radio , 720p video, wireless N) Even though google dosent want to support it why not give the developer community a break and atleast give them the drivers and let them implement it. as for not rooting my phone, i dont want to void my warranty with over 10 months remaining in it, I'm not saying i wont root i will root it later on but for now i'll keep it stock for atleast till my warranty is over.
Every loves to rave about how awesome it is to have "vanilla android" on the nexus one.
Well, here we are, this IS vanilla android......and it's not that exciting. Until you see native HD recording* support in AOSP you won't see it on the nexus.
*won't happen soon as it's hardware dependent and not ubiquitous yet, by the time HD video recording on camera phones because run of the mill, well the nexus will be sitting in the same position the g1 is right now.
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I didnt buy the n1 for google's support but i atleast thought they would let the phone work at its full potential( fm radio , 720p video, wireless N) Even though google dosent want to support it why not give the developer community a break and atleast give them the drivers and let them implement it. as for not rooting my phone, i dont want to void my warranty with over 10 months remaining in it, I'm not saying i wont root i will root it later on but for now i'll keep it stock for atleast till my warranty is over.
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There's nothing to "give" developers. Google Nexus team never looked into HD recording support, or FM radio support, that means there's not drivers, no nothing. They're not sitting on safe filled with magical files. The only reason the latest 2.2 update has N driver support is because qualcomm wrote the drivers for a chip that is in nearly every single handheld wifi device.
The desire is currently getting support for 720p video and it has support for fm radio, that technically means we have the necessary drivers to enable fm radio and 720p video recording on nexus one which should have the same quality as the desire. just wondering has anyone actually got the froyo update on the desire and has any dev been able to pull the drivers out the desire software?
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The desire is currently getting support for 720p video and it has support for fm radio, that technically means we have the necessary drivers to enable fm radio and 720p video recording on nexus one which should have the same quality as the desire. just wondering has anyone actually got the froyo update on the desire and has any dev been able to pull the drivers out the desire software?
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HTC manages that stuff for desire.
Googles manages that stuff for nexus.
Different companies, different priorities.
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HTC manages that stuff for desire.
Googles manages that stuff for nexus.
Different companies, different priorities.
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Yeah but hardware wise the devices are identical, so wouldnt the drivers be identical?
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Yeah but hardware wise the devices are identical, so wouldnt the drivers be identical?
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Yes and no, but that's not even the issue. Htc has no incentive to share it's work with google, unless google pays for it, which they have shown they are not interested in. They are competing companies when it comes to selling a retail phone.
Yeah I don’t understand the people that get a nexus one and don’t root.. I honestly feel that’s the whole point of the “dev phone”... If you don’t root, there are many other android phone out there that have superior stock features and hardware.... And froyo is only 1-2 months released earlier on the n1...
Did someone try porting the WP7 to the N1??
Not possible.
More importantly... WHY?
That'd be like taking the motor out of a Honda Civic and sticking it in a Lamborghini Gallardo. Fail.
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But why? The HD2 seems to be working?
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But why? The HD2 seems to be working?
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he has a point
I think it could be a great idea, because, for example, I really want our Nexus One to be like the HTC HD2! Been able to "work" also with other OSes..
Plus, Windows Phone 7 seems to be very snappy and minimal!
Android is obviously better, but I really want to try the Seven
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There was another thread asking the same question and someone said only its possible to port WP7 to a android phone if there already exists a WP7 which is basically the same device with WP7 on it.
I think the HD7 is pretty much the same device as the HD2?
Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market thanx to all the devs to bring out the real potential of the LEO.wish all htc devices was able to do that.i would rather try wp7 on my hd2 rather than my n1.hd2 is fully functional android just like every other native androids and its running better than my n1.
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First of all I'm glad to know that my curiosirty has interest with other people as well.
second, the reason for the WHY is of course curiosity, and the fact that the N1 is a capable device and it'll be interesting to see how it would function with other OS.
Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market thanx to all the devs to bring out the real potential of the LEO.wish all htc devices was able to do that.i would rather try wp7 on my hd2 rather than my n1.hd2 is fully functional android just like every other native androids and its running better than my n1.
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I with I had the money to carry as much devices as I wanted to.
That's the reason I wanted the N1, and Android for that matter, to be flexible...
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There was another thread asking the same question and someone said only its possible to port WP7 to a android phone if there already exists a WP7 which is basically the same device with WP7 on it.
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That's handy then, as teardowns show the HTC Surround is basically a Nexus One.
HD2 runs Android awfully, compared to N1. I couldn't stand looking at it stuttering all over the place where N1 flies.
The other problem for this port is bootloader and FS compatibility. While it could probably be overcome, it might not be straightforward, just as it's quite hard to install Windows and Linux on the same partition, both using different native FS. On WM phones there is many-years-old way of loading other systems "under" Windows (I'm not really into details, but AFAIK the other system doesn't load from bootloader, but from early stages of WM kernel - which is the reason why WM-loaded OSes run like crap). On Android phones, it doesn't work that way, and there is no universally used way of loading other OSes.
And the biggest problem for all the curious would probably be just that no dev has taken interest in doing it.
if HTC 7 Surround is simular to N1, is it possible to port the whole bootloader and system of surround to N1. and and run Android "on the top" of WP7 just like what HD2 does
this could be a very very interesting project... as there are quite a few developers currently working on a WP7 like launcher for android. and if we could run wp7 it would be a pretty amazing.
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Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market
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that is actually provably false due to the fact the HD2 is TMobile-only. the devs have squeezed every ounce out of it no doubt, but for a phone to be the greatest HTC device it would have to be available across all GSM networks, not just the B-list one
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that is actually provably false due to the fact the HD2 is TMobile-only. the devs have squeezed every ounce out of it no doubt, but for a phone to be the greatest HTC device it would have to be available across all GSM networks, not just the B-list one
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The HD2 is not Tmobile only... Tmobile was the last carrier to get it lol. The HD2 is available on all GSM networks even ATT if you import an aussie or canadian version.
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The HD2 is not Tmobile only... Tmobile was the last carrier to get it lol. The HD2 is available on all GSM networks even ATT if you import an aussie or canadian version.
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for AT&T 3G?
Edit: Ok, I guess the Telstra HD2 had AT&T 3G bands, so you could import the phone at a premium. i can't find it on Ebay, but the Cell2Get.com has it for a reasonable $831.99. it better be the greatest ever
I would love trying wp7 on my nexus. The OS interests me, not enough though to shell out for an entire new phone. Especially since all the wp7 phones really aren't special hardware wise.
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So....
What does it take to port an OS??
do we need a new bootloader? do we need the WP7 source code?
You will never get WP7 source code.
I guess you'd need a complete dump from the Surround to work from.
[Q] Why HTC LOVE not to upgrade the previous HTC Devices even though they are able to support the software??
Because they can sell new phones.
Have patience.
htc is actually one of the better companies when it comes to upgrades on older phones. I hear sony or motorola customers get no love.
I guess being better doesn't translate to being good at updating previous models. It's all about making a sale.
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Cause if every single HTC device have right of upgrade, what's the point of new devices from HTC ? This forces people to buy new products. Hope you understant
like i said, it's all about the sale
They sell a device, support a few updates for a while, perhaps after that one or two updates spread out, then they do focus on the sale of newer devices almost exclusively.
HTC is better than some companies, and at least they have made lots of hardware that can support better software, because we can enjoy the great work of independent developers like those on xda to give us lots of options. We don't have to rely on HTC that way!
Go open source!
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I will be happy if HTC just gives out drivers to stop the camera lag in AOSP ROMs, that's all I ask
I found that app in sensation forum...it is force closing on all the roms except virtuos unity one. It won't even run on the IS official sense 3.0 update.
Anyone knows how we can port it???
You should be happy, as HTC is actually releasing updates...go to Huawei or Motorola...the phone sells and dies with the same Rom. You'll find all sorts of unofficial Roms, but not from the manufacturers.
So, HTC is doing quite all-right, not as good as Google (from obvious reasons) but not as bad as Huawei or Motorola.
OK. once again regarding this app, does anyone have any idea how to port it?
i have the sensation qhd .apk of this app.
any one willing to resize this app for wvga?
I've been reading through the posts about the general lackluster developer community for htc phones as a whole. It appears, at least within what I have seen throughout the hardcore android community that this phone, mainly for hardware, is the biggest competitor to the s4. Obviously there are other choices, all of which have their ups and downs(Z,s4,920), but in all this is the phone to rival the s4 right now. To me and this was on another thread about vanilla android, that really it is a deal breaker if the dev community is going to be atrocious. So my question is, do you think the dev community will be larger for this that the one s, due to the draw away from the s4's lackluster design and minimal hardware upgrades. It is really the only phone I am considering getting apart from the next nexus, but I can't pull myself away from how this would be my ultimate phone if it had stock android on it.
This device will gather developers from the HTC evo 3d, evo 4g lte, one x, one xl, international one x, one s, etc..etc.... So yes the development on this device will be epic since it is the only flagship device from HTC. We might loose some developers to other devices but we will also gain some. I woupdnt worry much about not having enought development for the HTC one.
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This device will gather developers from the HTC evo 3d, evo 4g lte, one x, one xl, international one x, one s, etc..etc.... So yes the development on this device will be epic since it is the only flagship device from HTC. We might loose some developers to other devices but we will also gain some. I woupdnt worry much about not having enought development for the HTC one.
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So in that case will developers like Bad Seed Customs etc from the Evo CDMA line be releasing stuff for international too? Or will it be possible to have a one device zip like Virus has with the Evo 3D Viper ROM? Sorry I live in a GSM area
And @OP if you search either this forum or general there is a thread by -viperboy- which has a list of a few developers
What about support from HTC? The S3 I have has next to no support for developers, is HTC any different?
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What about support from HTC? The S3 I have has next to no support for developers, is HTC any different?
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Better because the chipset used (qualcomm) is more documented and has more support from qualcomm themselves via codeauroraforum or whatever its called
However HTC tend to screw around with the source a bit
One thing HTC is bad with is bootloader unlocking: its not "unlocked" as there are many restrictions that samsungs don't have
But overall imo HTC has better support once you get over the bootloaders
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So in that case will developers like Bad Seed Customs etc from the Evo CDMA line be releasing stuff for international too? Or will it be possible to have a one device zip like Virus has with the Evo 3D Viper ROM? Sorry I live in a GSM area
And @OP if you search either this forum or general there is a thread by -viperboy- which has a list of a few developers
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Well the first step for Bad Seed Customs is to actually get this damn phone in the US....
Now that Google has announced they will be selling a GSM Samsung S4 through the android market starting in June, what are your thoughts on which to get?
I purchased my HTC T-Mobile version last week. Took a while to adjust to Sense, and actually have 'desensed' it a bit by using Nova Launcher instead. It's a pretty phone, but I do miss some of the stock Android features of my GNex. Actually, it may be that since the GNex has had quite a bit of development, there are some nice tricks I can use with it that haven't been developed for the HTC One yet (i.e. PGM swipe to wake).
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Now that Google has announced they will be selling a GSM Samsung S4 through the android market starting in June, what are your thoughts on which to get?
I purchased my HTC T-Mobile version last week. Took a while to adjust to Sense, and actually have 'desensed' it a bit by using Nova Launcher instead. It's a pretty phone, but I do miss some of the stock Android features of my GNex. Actually, it may be that since the GNex has had quite a bit of development, there are some nice tricks I can use with it that haven't been developed for the HTC One yet (i.e. PGM swipe to wake).
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someone said it one of the threads(not sure which one) that he knows someone at htc and the will be releasing a pure aosp rom for the htc one like samsung is doing
Sadly, its not true based on this source
Update: Jeff Gordon of HTC just sent us the following message, “HTC is not currently planning a ‘Nexus Edition’ of the HTC One.”
http://androidandme.com/2013/05/news/htc-employee-teases-stock-android-htc-one/
I was really hoping that HTC would partner with Google so we could get pure android with actually time updates and this is the thread, page 60 that has the topic ".CyanogenMod Night lies"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2272945
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JewBagel254 said:
Sadly, its not true based on this source
Update: Jeff Gordon of HTC just sent us the following message, “HTC is not currently planning a ‘Nexus Edition’ of the HTC One.”
http://androidandme.com/2013/05/news/htc-employee-teases-stock-android-htc-one/
I was really hoping that HTC would partner with Google so we could get pure android with actually time updates and this is the thread, page 60 that has the topic ".CyanogenMod Night lies"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2272945
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companys always deny rumors in public statements until they are ready to release. not saying that i believe the guy and his source at htc but i definitely dont believe public statements release by a company rep