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Donations for root.

I just wanted to start a thread for donation pledges for root access.
That way developers can gauge the communities willingness to support their work. I'm willing to donate 25$ for root.
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I second that and will put up $25 for Root on the D3. I just got it today and I love this thing so far but miss my saved data on all my games from my X

Count me in for 25$

Root is worth at least $25 to me.

I will be receiving my D3 tomorrow, count me in for 25$

Anxiously awaiting root and happy to donate $25 to the cause!

I'm down for at least $50.

I don't really think a show of wallets is what is going to gain root for us , but rather a more targeted effort to get devices into the right folks hands is perhaps more likely to succeed IMO.

Maybe, but I rather think even the most gifted developers can't do anything if there is nothing exploitable. Motorola and Google appearently did do a quite good job. My main hope now is an update or a SBF, which could lead to new ideas ...

cellzealot said:
I don't really think a show of wallets is what is going to gain root for us , but rather a more targeted effort to get devices into the right folks hands is perhaps more likely to succeed IMO.
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I agree. Unless I misunderstood, this is basically a theoretical root 'purse' to whoever roots? This may increase some devs interest in putting their time into it, but IMO moeny is better spent helping the right people get the right tools.

I just have a problem giving someone a device who already has one to work with....when there are developers who don't have a D3 at all.
Personally if I had the knowledge to root a device I would just charge $20 each for the root app/program/directions and then truly get paid for my work. 50 root purchases could make a quick $1000 and assuming this device sells anything like the DX then 800+ could bring in a cool $16,000(there are at least 800 DX's currently using CM7 nightlies).

so give the device to someone who DOESN'T have it?!

I say give it to krazy. He obviously has the will and knowledge.
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My intent was not to have myself promoted. I am simply saying how money would be put to a better use.
I have been working with several others, and all of our skills lie in different places, but they all are important. I do currently have a phone, and am not desperately in need of another. It woudl be nice to get a device in the hands of some of the others I have been working with- for example.

slow88lx said:
I just have a problem giving someone a device who already has one to work with....when there are developers who don't have a D3 at all.
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A developer working on his own phone isn't going to take any "major" chances since they have to use it as their......well....phone. There is no .sbf file to recover it if bricked, so it's either buying a new one at full retail or seeing if a warranty replacement is possible (though technically it shouldn't be since the user broke the device).
I'd feel more comfortable giving a developer who already has a Droid 3 one to "dev" on, as they are more interested in obtaining root for the device themselves since they want root on their own device (the one they use for calls, txts, etc..).

I have to agree here, the prospect of some cash for doing it is always nice, but we could in theory get it faster if the right people could have the device, but it is all a lot easier said then done..
krazykrivda said:
I agree. Unless I misunderstood, this is basically a theoretical root 'purse' to whoever roots? This may increase some devs interest in putting their time into it, but IMO moeny is better spent helping the right people get the right tools.
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I work at a corporate store, when I see the sbf file come along I will be sure to get it on here. But so far nothing has come across my desk
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I'm in for $25 towards root or a dev device. Thanks
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$35 here.
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sign this thing guys

i dont know if this is already well known but i just came across it. here is a petition for motorola mobility to unlock the bootloaders. sign if you like, i just did.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2

This is very well known. Belongs in the general section, and there are already three other threads qwith this. And bout ten threads that turned into talks like this. All unlock talk has already discussed
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Sorry, just trying to help. My search turned up no threads like this, and theres really no reason to be a **** about it.

signed

Signed
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Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.

shobon said:
Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.
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This

Not being a ****. Just blunt. There are so many and people have been told alot so its too much to write a nice letter each time.
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edit: hope i didnt offend you though. im really just a blunt person, no harm :]

We have been signing petitions since the OG Droid. Never worked.
Rocking with my M3 and XDA app

signed

I don't have any issue with the concept of this, and I signed it, although I don't think moto cares given the size of the actual modding population. However, why do people throw around the word 'rights' so much? Really, it's a right? No it's a want... I know I'll prolly get derided for this but still... Right?

This convo has been had millions of times. really doesnt need to be repeated to the same effect where it changes nothin

Agreed.
Noble intentions, wasted time.
Either googlerolla will deliver or they won't.
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shobon said:
Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.
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I agree with you 100%.
I still signed.
That's how frustrated I feel at all this. I'm reminded of my time with the orginal milestone. Checking internet every day to see if someone fgured out how to shoehorn froyo onto the thing. For some reason I thought moto would change... maybe it was because they said they would.
Yeah its a long shot for this petition to do anything, I very sincerely doubt it will. But I would love to be wrong. It only takes two seconds to sign it.

Signed also

While I've signed the petition, I have a ready-made solution that nobody has seemed to mention yet... stop buying Motorola devices.
I've enjoyed Moto's offerings since the OG Droid days, mainly because of the superior build quality, but due to Moto's lock down on devices, and their lack of willingness to placate us, the way HTC has done, the D3 will be the last Motorola device I purchase. Let's face it, performance-wise, Moto doesn't build top-notch machines, the screen quality is sub par, and support is non-existent. Build quality is the ONLY thing they have going for them, and with Samsung making moves to improve their own build quality, I don't see any reason to stick around.
Motorola is not going to change their stance on this matter, and as such, the only way we can really make them listen, is by hitting them where it hurts...their wallets. I believe over 10,000 people have signed the petition (not a huge number, compared to global Moto sales), but 10,000 units at $150 each, equates to $1,500,000 in revenue. Again, that number may be small by comparison, but I'm sure a $1.5m decrease would get someone's attention.
My advice to anyone who's upset enough to sign this petition, is to move to a company with a better track record of being development friendly. Quad-core offerings are on the horizon, and a new Nexus device should be spotted around Christmas...I'll be saving my money, and WILL be jumping ship as soon as I can. The Moto journey has been "fun", but it's time to trade build quality for better performance and support. I'm done buying phones that are (essentially) dead on arrival, and obsolete within 3 months of release... I urge the rest of you to follow suit.
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I signed it but it will not work every phone i have gotten they stop suporting it and i have had my droid 3 for a few mouths and some keys are not working right i have to hit them 3 to 4 times when i get the money and its very unlikly im going with a new phone with a unlocked bootloader or one with one that can have a good work a round but the droid 3 is a good phone dont get me worng i just need a unlocked bootloader that way i will have custom kernels and working cm9
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I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone

DoubleYouPee said:
I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone
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THAT!
i like HTC better than samsung, and being a fan of HTC since the S710 times...and having HTC dev around is pretty helpful.
BUT:
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-drops-qwerty-phones-78268/
and
http://www.gsmarena.com/at_t_htc_one_x_not_part_of_htcs_bootloader_unlocking_program-news-4210.php
so...their methods are not perfect at all

DoubleYouPee said:
I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone
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Yes! That's my main issue . However a soft keyboard is looking more and more possible as there won't be any other options...

[Bounty] - Hashcode Safe Strap, to buy him an active

As you can see from this post Obsidian... said he will talk to hash about accepting a S4 Active to get his safe strap working. This will allow us to flash roms and multiboot different roms from our active(for more information on how this will work please go to this forum). He is currently working for this for the VZ S4 and seems to be making progress. If he is successful he will consider accepting an active to do the same. It would be cool to get him a Active so he can bug test and help us out. This will really boost the development for our device.... I write this to ask if you guys are willing to join with the community to raise money for his Active. We already have $675 towards a unlocked bootloader, this will give us most if not all the same features and will probably only cost us $400-$500. I hate to do this but below I will @ all the pledge members for the bootloader because some of them said they don't normally check the forums:
Pledges:
texassax $10
JEZZEJAMEZ $20
my-blue-snog-box $10
paleh0rse $10
skeppley $20
daugh016 $10
mnasledov $80
huggstown $100
Total = $260
Goal = $530
(this goal is based off of resent eBay auctions, if the phone costs less than the amount raised then the highest pledge amount will be reduced. Example if the highest pledge is $100 USD and we were $20 over... we would only ask for $80)
If someone wants to donate his phone to hash we can give you the pledge if needed

I'm tight on money myself, but count me in for $10 anyway.

@joshuadjohnson22, are you asking for a consensus as to whether people are willing to say "yeah, this fulfills the terms better than anything else we have come across; let's use the money we pledged for this"? Or are you starting another bounty independent of the bootloader?
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I'll do 20.00 for this just to see where it goes. I'm interested as well as wanting to help better the development of the sgs4A.
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my-blue-snog-box said:
@joshuadjohnson22, are you asking for a consensus as to whether people are willing to say "yeah, this fulfills the terms better than anything else we have come across; let's use the money we pledged for this"? Or are you starting another bounty independent of the bootloader?
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This is separate and will probably be the best we will ever get. The bootloader may never be unlocked, this will be a pre-release here's a device now work your magic type of commitment. The bootloader unlock will be nice but with this it will probably not be needed. If you want to remove one pledge for the other I understand fully.
Keep in mind he has not agreed to anything yet. We could get all the money together and he says no or just requests one of us to send him our device... or work with one of our users (the devices should be that different...), this is just to see if we have the money pledge to get him the active if he agrees

joshuadjohnson22 said:
This is separate and will probably be the best we will ever get. The bootloader may never be unlocked, this will be a pre-release here's a device now work your magic type of commitment. The bootloader unlock will be nice but with this it will probably not be needed. If you want to remove one pledge for the other I understand fully.
Keep in mind he has not agreed to anything yet. We could get all the money together and he says no or just requests one of us to send him our device... or work with one of our users (the devices should be that different...), this is just to see if we have the money pledge to get him the active if he agrees
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I think you're looking into this a little too early..
He was saying something about breaking into the device by using some of the scripts that are needed to be run for the qualcomm chipset to work early in the boot sequence. We have essentially the same ones as the S4. The only thing that would most likely need to be changed is the actual recovery that is booted because we have different LCD drivers.
If you want to buy him an Active just as a sort of "thanks" then by all means go for it but I don't think he will need one in order to complete the mod.. It may well be up to his goodwill to compile us a working version for our device if he doesn't open-source the project which is kind of doubtful here at XDA.
Once again though, I'm not a developer and just another resident idiot so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke

Well, put me down for 10 for now. I can do at least that (maybe more if the fiance says it's okay lol)
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thatbigmoose said:
I think you're looking into this a little too early..
He was saying something about breaking into the device by using some of the scripts that are needed to be run for the qualcomm chipset to work early in the boot sequence. We have essentially the same ones as the S4. The only thing that would most likely need to be changed is the actual recovery that is booted because we have different LCD drivers.
If you want to buy him an Active just as a sort of "thanks" then by all means go for it but I don't think he will need one in order to complete the mod.. It may well be up to his goodwill to compile us a working version for our device if he doesn't open-source the project which is kind of doubtful here at XDA.
Once again though, I'm not a developer and just another resident idiot so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke
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Good point. It appears his team made some base roms for users that work well with the mod, it would be cool if he had some active specific support for us. Either way he may figure out that he could make a simple port for us but it would still be nice to know we have the support to provide a device if it is needed. So if it comes to that we can ship it out right away... but he is smart enough to decide if that will be needed. Either way this is exciting and I hope it works out

thatbigmoose said:
Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke
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I'm a "resident idiot" and proud of it!
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Just keep me posted, my donation is good for either solution... or both (I'll pay twice if someone goes on to unlock the actual bootloader, as well).

I've got no real intention of buying an Active at this point - I'm considering a GE S4 with an Obex, but a new phone has been moved to the back burner for now: the possibility of buying a house is priority no. 1 at the moment. I'm leaving my pledge for the bootloader, because I believe in the concept - unlocked bootloaders help us all by driving the dev community - but a workaround really isn't the same to me.
I hope that doesn't come off as sophistry, but either way, I'm not in for this one.

paleh0rse said:
Just keep me posted, my donation is good for either solution... or both (I'll pay twice if someone goes on to unlock the actual bootloader, as well).
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Same here
Put in for $20

If it turns out that Hashcode accepts and does require an S4 Active in order to port the Safe Strap I will be happy to pledge some funds towards the cause. If Hashcode doesn't need the Active though I will increase my pledge on the original boot-loader bounty.
Please [email protected] me when we find out if Hashcode decides to attempt the port and if he needs an Active in order to do so. Thanks! @joshuadjohnson22
"Groping Magicians got me down."
~ Galaxy S4 hActive

joshuadjohnson22 said:
As you can see from this post Obsidian... said he will talk to hash about accepting a S4 Active to get his safe strap working. This will allow us to flash roms and multiboot different roms from our active(for more information on how this will work please go to this forum). He is currently working for this for the VZ S4 and seems to be making progress. If he is successful he will consider accepting an active to do the same. It would be cool to get him a Active so he can bug test and help us out. This will really boost the development for our device.... I write this to ask if you guys are willing to join with me to raise money for his Active. We already have $675 towards a unlocked bootloader, this will give us most if not all the same features and will probably only cost us $400-$500. I hate to do this but below I will @ all the pledge members for the bootloader because some of them said they don't normally check the forums:
Pledges:
joshuadjohnson22 $10
texassax $10
JEZZEJAMEZ $20
my-blue-snog-box $10
paleh0rse $10
skeppley $20
Total = $80
Goal = $530
(this goal is based off of resent eBay auctions, if the phone costs less than the amount raised then the highest pledge amount will be reduced. Example if the highest pledge is $100 USD and we were $20 over... we would only ask for $80)
If someone wants to donate his phone to hash we can give you the pledge if needed
@yankeesfan714
@sc0tty8
@daugh016
@Rattles
@stephensonbrady
@kirkgrier
@taaeng
@Zmetta
@yoondroid
@mnasledov
@freddiemercury1
@dave5777
@Deliximus
@_MetalHead_
@amerikian
@bubba9004
@daledenton
I'm in for $10 (only because money is tight and I want to remain married) If I can add more I will. Mods if @'ing this many people is against the rules let me know.
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How does a donation work? If I donate my device, do I eventually get it back? Or is it truly a donation?
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yankeesfan714 said:
How does a donation work? If I donate my device, do I eventually get it back? Or is it truly a donation?
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Depends on what Hash wants to do. The donation I was referring to in the post was to give him your phone and collect the bounty (Like selling you phone). But he may just want to borrow one of our devices or work with one of us *cough moose*
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In
I'm in for $10. Lets get this going or it will be the Nexus 5 for me...

daugh016 said:
I'm in for $10. Lets get this going or it will be the Nexus 5 for me...
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Well a few things with this comment:
1. If the Nexus 5 has US LTE and keeps the same price point but starts with 16 GB I'm sure it will temp many of us...
2. I am sure we will have something by the end of the year/beginning of next year (that is when the Nexus 5 is projected to be released)
3. thanks for your pledge, it has been updated

Money's getting tight here too but I'll throw down $40. It's totally worth being able to run alternate ROMs on this thing. It's too bad ATT did something exclusive with Samsung for this phone because it's really great.

thatbigmoose said:
I think you're looking into this a little too early..
He was saying something about breaking into the device by using some of the scripts that are needed to be run for the qualcomm chipset to work early in the boot sequence. We have essentially the same ones as the S4. The only thing that would most likely need to be changed is the actual recovery that is booted because we have different LCD drivers.
If you want to buy him an Active just as a sort of "thanks" then by all means go for it but I don't think he will need one in order to complete the mod.. It may well be up to his goodwill to compile us a working version for our device if he doesn't open-source the project which is kind of doubtful here at XDA.
Once again though, I'm not a developer and just another resident idiot so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Edit: the "resident idiot" thing isn't directed at anybody or meant to be offensive just a little joke
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@thatbigmoose have you tried the proof of concept for our phone yet? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45310586&postcount=217 I figure you will be the best one out of us to mess with it...

I just tried it. Can confirm that I was able to load the SS recovery, but didn't try anything else.
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Samsung winning battle.

I think this is their master plan. Their making it so hard to root that at&t and samsung are just making us get worn out waiting for root. Eventually people won't care anymore and just put up with all their bloat and tactics turning us into sheep like the apple people are. I am even getting wore out checking 7 times a day in these threads only to hear of all the ways that don't work to root. There is a 12K bounty to be paid. U think that someone would spend every second trying to root to get 12K. Something is up with this. Maybe they were contacted and paid more not to do this. If there is a way they can PM me it and I will post it and give them the bounty so they don't get in trouble.
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Seriously kid? Don't you think people have lives? Don't you think everyone else here wants to see root for our phone? Seriously a bounty isn't set in stone. no one is dumb enough to rely on money that maybe (less than likely) be actually given. Calm down. Sit back. And relax. Go outside. Be with your friends. Check these forums at the end of the week, instead of every waking chance you get. We're all waiting as well
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Megadoug13 said:
Seriously kid? Don't you think people have lives? Don't you think everyone else here wants to see root for our phone? Seriously a bounty isn't set in stone. no one is dumb enough to rely on money that maybe (less than likely) be actually given. Calm down. Sit back. And relax. Go outside. Be with your friends. Check these forums at the end of the week, instead of every waking chance you get. We're all waiting as well
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Kid?...Ok..explain why root on every other S5 was achieved before they even got released. I've been flashing since the old HTC 8125. I go out..I have a life..don't come in my thread acting like a jerk. I'm stating a point. Respect it or don't come in with rude comments. Jeez...your reply is why everyone around here starts flaming each other with rude condisending replies. Just offer respectable remarks without ripping people. If you don't like my post just don't comment and go away. Thanks for the kind words and I'll try to achieve the ideal lifestyle you lead. Have a great day.
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Yeah.. If you could just go right a head and do that, that'd be greaaat. Thanks.
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Martinjv71 said:
I think this is their master plan. Their making it so hard to root that at&t and samsung are just making us get worn out waiting for root. Eventually people won't care anymore and just put up with all their bloat and tactics turning us into sheep like the apple people are. I am even getting wore out checking 7 times a day in these threads only to hear of all the ways that don't work to root. There is a 12K bounty to be paid. U think that someone would spend every second trying to root to get 12K. Something is up with this. Maybe they were contacted and paid more not to do this. If there is a way they can PM me it and I will post it and give them the bounty so they don't get in trouble.
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These threads that always ask why "someone else' hasn't done anything are very sad. You complain about reading threads 7 times a day about what can't be done and then you make one yourself? And I've seen your other posts... trolling. So I'm sure your reply will be no less to anyone that doesn't 100% agree with you.
So what exactly, do you want to achieve with this thread? And before telling me to move on, you might want to take your own advice because if you have nothing of value to add, you are worse than any of the people you complain about.

scott14719 said:
These threads that always ask why "someone else' hasn't done anything are very sad. You complain about reading threads 7 times a day about what can't be done and then you make one yourself? And I've seen your other posts... trolling. So I'm sure your reply will be no less to anyone that doesn't 100% agree with you.
So what exactly, do you want to achieve with this thread? And before telling me to move on, you might want to take your own advice because if you have nothing of value to add, you are worse than any of the people you complain about.
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Just stating an opinion in a forum...pretty common actually and what I achieved is to get this attention and for you it obviously worked. No hard feelings....just don't be so harsh on people's opinions. And as far as me making one that's not my gig. That's why there are so many different careers out there..it makes the world go round. Some people work at Big Lots and some are Doctors or in marking. The more exposure to root complaints the better. Take care and have a good weekend.
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This is just not going anywhere and serves no purpose but what it has achieved already.
Thread closed
Have a great day!

Note 7 - Readme

Xda members and fellow devs.
Please stop complaining about a device which has only been out for 2 days.
Please remember even if a bootloader and or root is locked past devices have shown this can change.
Stop yelling in threads.
Stop being Mr know it all.
Let the DEVS do there research.
Don't jump the gun.
Please just be respectful.
Don't talk about international variants in the USA and tmobile section. That confuses users in the threads.
I may not be a mod but I am a seasoned professional and I have been with xda since 2000 somthing.
I know people are upset, I know because you can't root that shiny device you feel betrayed by tmobile, please give it time. I was the one who started the petition for the s7 edge. We now have root on the s7 edge it only took 5 months. To get the exploit dropped it's a weird root but it works.
Remember root is exploiting and sometimes it doesn't go as planned and can take longer doing those sudo commands.
I just want everyone to have an open mind here. These forms are ment to be informative miss leading topics need to chill.
Everyone please just chill and let the DEVS figure stuff out alot of stuff is still developing with the s7 note. It's only been out for a few days.
Sometimes it can take weeks and months to obtain root. We all know that marshmallow has brought alot of changes to the development world and how injections and cracking bootloaders etc.
I hope everyone reads this and starts to understand you need to give it time...
Ice.
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That's the same thing I said give it time they will have a walk around. My LG G Pro from AT&T was locked up the same way and we had roms and recovery.
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I've been around here for about six years. I've had all flagship phones: HTC Incredible, HTC Rezound, Samsung S4, Samsung Note 4 and now the Note 7. None of them were unlocked out of the box. It took from several weeks (Incredible) to eighteen months (Note 4) to get unlocked. Each phone was increasingly more difficult to hack with the exception of the Rezound, where HTC provided the unlock file.
I may be wrong, but I strongly suspect that the majority of the carriers' customers could give a fig about unlocked bootloaders and root. They either don't possess the desire or ability to do what it takes or perhaps the company they work for considers a rooted phone to be a security risk. There are just a few of us that fully appreciate the freedom of a rooted phone provides. Most of the people I've seen pass through XDA over the years couldn't begin to explain why they want their phones rooted, they just want it. The numbers just aren't in our favor.
As the OP suggested, give it time. There are some very talented and dedicated developers working on unlocks and roots as we speak. I won't promise it'll happen because I haven't the foggiest notion what it takes to develop exploits. But consider this: the Note 7 is just about the pinnacle in smartphone technology as it is. If you don't like TouchWiz/Grace, there are very good launchers available and there are apps that will disable almost all of the bloatware. Give it a chance.

This is probably the most sensible thread I have read in a long, long time. Good job, agree with everything !
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That's true we only make up a small percent of people that flash roms. So they are not going to make it easy. Why? It does not benefit them at all that we root our phones. I wish they did care lol. But I have seen devs do amazing things since I have been flashing since the S2. I faith and patience that it will happen. Remember the devs do this for free on their own time.
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Thank you all for reading this with an open mind. Sometimes the best things take the longest.
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