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[Q] Rooting will put a red flag on your account?

I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".

Nope. Total BS.

art0605 said:
I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".
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The absolute most horse**** thing I've ever heard. Employee oughta be fired.

art0605 said:
I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".
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LMAO...he can't be that tech-savvy, or if he is, he's just being a total tool. What a ridiculous story to make up

AdamNJ77 said:
LMAO...he can't be that tech-savvy, or if he is, he's just being a total tool. What a ridiculous story to make up
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You guys are probably right. He just has me paranoid now. So if I root my phone (successfully, again), I'll be fine?

art0605 said:
You guys are probably right. He just has me paranoid now. So if I root my phone (successfully, again), I'll be fine?
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Yes, you will be fine. If you are worried about big red knowing your rooted, in the future try not telling the guy you rooted lol

Phones that have been rooted/modified will generally be refused service(as in troubleshooting) and/or warranty exchange. And generally the account will be notated that the customer has a modified device so that if he tries to go to another store, they will know. If you're smart enough to root it, then you should be smart enough to fix whatever you broke. This is part of the reason why I hate one-clicks.
Or do a damn NAND before you flash/modify something.

That said, you should be aware that some app/service vendors have ways of preventing their things to be installed on a rooted phone. I think both Blockbuster and Netflix have toyed with this, for instance. In those cases, you'll have to wait around for someone to get a fix out.

unremarked said:
Phones that have been rooted/modified will generally be refused service(as in troubleshooting) and/or warranty exchange. And generally the account will be notated that the customer has a modified device so that if he tries to go to another store, they will know. If you're smart enough to root it, then you should be smart enough to fix whatever you broke. This is part of the reason why I hate one-clicks.
Or do a damn NAND before you flash/modify something.
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So if I don't tell them that it's rooted, and they don't see it, will Verizon be able to know through their network? Because I was having trouble sending and receiving text messages a couple days ago and was working with the rep to get it resolved. I'm sure he knew it was rooted. Then he called tech services and they worked on it for about an hour or so. Neither of them mentioned anything about my rooted device or denied me help because of it.

I actually have the netflix app on mine rooted and strapped. No problems here. But its true some apps do know and care for sure.
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art0605 said:
So if I don't tell them that it's rooted, and they don't see it, will Verizon be able to know through their network? Because I was having trouble sending and receiving text messages a couple days ago and was working with the rep to get it resolved. I'm sure he knew it was rooted. Then he called tech services and they worked on it for about an hour or so. Neither of them mentioned anything about my rooted device or denied me help because of it.
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Then that Rep was doing you a favor so be sure to give a good score if you get the survey.
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art0605 said:
I went to Verizon today to help get my friend get a phone. And the guy (who is actually pretty cool and tech-savy) who helped me get my Droid Bionic happened to be working. As he was setting up my friends phone we were talking about cool things to do with my Bionic. He asked if I had it rooted, and I told him I did. He advised me to unroot it because, "Verizon is sending out 'spikes' and tracks who rooted their phones, will fry your SIM card, and put a flag on your account". I understand that rooting voids your warranty and is a breach to your contract. But is what he said true?
I had a LG G2X and a HTC HD7, both have been rooted and never been "spiked or fried".
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He actually said that? What a moron. It's great if you don't know anything, but for those of us that do, what the heck is he thinking?

I was @ best buy and found out their phone warranty ($10 month, no deductible) covers rooted phones!!! Couple that with the buy back program which is top notch and I was scratching my head wondering why any of us would ever buy directly from big red or anybody. They also have the "mail in rebates" as immediate rebates.
If you like having the latest and greatest though, especially if you like rooting, best buy is the spot. Makes me wanna talk my buddy out of his upgrade (on my account) just so I can do it there...lol
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rickuski said:
I was @ best buy and found out their phone warranty ($10 month, no deductible) covers rooted phones!!! Couple that with the buy back program which is top notch and I was scratching my head wondering why any of us would ever buy directly from big red or anybody. They also have the "mail in rebates" as immediate rebates.
If you like having the latest and greatest though, especially if you like rooting, best buy is the spot. Makes me wanna talk my buddy out of his upgrade (on my account) just so I can do it there...lol
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Things that are too good to be true generally are... I'd read that fine print very carefully.
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unremarked said:
Things that are too good to be true generally are... I'd read that fine print very carefully.
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Please elaborate as I have poor eyesight and can't really read the fine print very well

art0605 said:
So if I don't tell them that it's rooted, and they don't see it, will Verizon be able to know through their network? Because I was having trouble sending and receiving text messages a couple days ago and was working with the rep to get it resolved. I'm sure he knew it was rooted. Then he called tech services and they worked on it for about an hour or so. Neither of them mentioned anything about my rooted device or denied me help because of it.
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No there's no way to tell. If you actually told them ' I rooted my phone ' they would quickly tell you that none of their support team can help you, or if you get a nice person they would say that and still continue to try and help you- but they have no obligation to help you with a rooted phone.
Rooting your phone basically means you will not get any support from them (only if they know you rooted it).

unremarked said:
Phones that have been rooted/modified will generally be refused service(as in troubleshooting) and/or warranty exchange. And generally the account will be notated that the customer has a modified device so that if he tries to go to another store, they will know. If you're smart enough to root it, then you should be smart enough to fix whatever you broke. This is part of the reason why I hate one-clicks.
Or do a damn NAND before you flash/modify something.
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This, they tried putting a note on my account saying I was rooted because I was using go launcher instead of the stock. ****ing idiots. and yeah if they think you have it rooted they'll pretty much deny you service.
also, excellent avatar.

Berzerker7 said:
The absolute most horse**** thing I've ever heard. Employee oughta be fired.
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Lol right
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I've returned phones without unrooting them and they've never said anything. I do suggest making it look as much like stock as you can (dont return it with custom boot animations or themes). I dont think they look at the returned phones in all that much detail. You obviously don't want it looking all customized because then they don't have to look too hard.
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On a side note, the last person you want to listen to is a instore cellphone sales Rep. They know less than anyone. Its industry standard for them to have their workers being clueless.
I've actually been in a store and was able to help other customers better than they could. I won't let them help me with anything other than ringing up my purchase and hope they get that right and not overcharge me (one time on sprint, they messed up my package and I was getting charged for data usage and ran up my phone bill and they shut off the phone days later for running up the bill by using too much data even though it was supposed to be unlimited)
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Verizon tech just told me to ROOT my phone

Thought this was very odd. I was on phone with tech support cuz my phone bricked itself today. not sure how or why i wasnt even using it. The tech sending me replacement suggested i root my phone because it would help a lot with the random reboot issue i originally had called ina bout last week.
Proceeded to tell me that Verizon does not care if you root as long as the factory data reset will work as intended for them.
Didnt know if this information was well known or not just thought it was odd that a tech tell me to root my phone.

cbrebel said:
Thought this was very odd. I was on phone with tech support cuz my phone bricked itself today. not sure how or why i wasnt even using it. The tech sending me replacement suggested i root my phone because it would help a lot with the random reboot issue i originally had called ina bout last week.
Proceeded to tell me that Verizon does not care if you root as long as the factory data reset will work as intended for them.
Didnt know if this information was well known or not just thought it was odd that a tech tell me to root my phone.
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I am guessing that means the LG/Stock Factory Reset but CWM Factory Reset does the exact same thing so I am still wondering what that means.. very suspicious

That's very odd. I used to work for AT&T and they said we could loose our job of we told a customer to change the core software on any device. Strange indeed.
--My REVO is Broken, tweaked, SC'd, and TB'd. Just awesome!

drt054 said:
I am guessing that means the LG/Stock Factory Reset but CWM Factory Reset does the exact same thing so I am still wondering what that means.. very suspicious
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yeah that is what he was saying (he was telling me how he rooted his and was using cwm as well) but he said that verizons policy is that as long as the "STOCK" factory reset takes it back to original condition then they will not persue anything any further. (which btw is stock zv7 right now) the new phone they shipped me doesnt have zv8 yet either.
who knows i just thought i would elaborate what the tech told me.
the phone i sending back had CWM on it and wouldnt boot or charge battery. so i manage to get it into emergency mode and left it for about 18 hours which gave me almost 35 % charge( seems very low) but i managed to push the zv7 tot and revivie it to send back. YAY

Vzn and root
There is a lot of misconception about rooting, I used to co manage a vzn reseller.
If you go to the android market there are root apps all over the place, if rooting voided any warranties there would be huge liability issues for legal software developers and customer uproar. Plus the hardware OEMS would not alllow it to be sold legally. Rooting is a software change you are not hacking or modifying hardware here. Plus android is marketed as open source unlike iphone OS.

drutman said:
There is a lot of misconception about rooting, I used to co manage a vzn reseller.
If you go to the android market there are root apps all over the place, if rooting voided any warranties there would be huge liability issues for legal software developers and customer uproar. Plus the hardware OEMS would not alllow it to be sold legally. Rooting is a software change you are not hacking or modifying hardware here. Plus android is marketed as open source unlike iphone OS.
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+1 U.S already has declared that rooting any android device is not under any circumstances classed as illegal.
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Verizon might also be less persnickety about rooting on the Revolution because it's on its way out. I know Verizon was much pickier about my Droid 1 when it was new than they were a few months ago.

sensation lover said:
+1 U.S already has declared that rooting any android device is not under any circumstances classed as illegal.
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This was only a 1 year term on that ruling. it is coming up again soon whether or not it is viable to do it or not.

cbrebel said:
yeah that is what he was saying (he was telling me how he rooted his and was using cwm as well) but he said that verizons policy is that as long as the "STOCK" factory reset takes it back to original condition then they will not persue anything any further. (which btw is stock zv7 right now) the new phone they shipped me doesnt have zv8 yet either.
who knows i just thought i would elaborate what the tech told me.
the phone i sending back had CWM on it and wouldnt boot or charge battery. so i manage to get it into emergency mode and left it for about 18 hours which gave me almost 35 % charge( seems very low) but i managed to push the zv7 tot and revivie it to send back. YAY
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Oh man, I totally did that when I had gotten my Revo. Fortunately Thecubed was around, and he took control of my computer and fixed the phone. It was awesome. I recall the battery taking for ever to recharge. We had to wait 30 minutes before we could try anything. We needed enough juice to run ADB and push stuff to my phone.

yep what the verizon sales/ tech guy said
walked into verizon today. my phone messed up but thats another thread... and he literally said verizon does not care if u root your phone... didnt say as long as or anything else. just said they dont care. so yeah feel free to ask them yourself.

LaggyWizard said:
walked into verizon today. my phone messed up but thats another thread... and he literally said verizon does not care if u root your phone... didnt say as long as or anything else. just said they dont care. so yeah feel free to ask them yourself.
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That's the glory of open source...
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Yeah they Dont care, but brick one & try to get a replacement in warranty if you do.
Last month i made a boo boo installing Clockwork Mod and locked it up.
While they were very helpful, nice, and understanding; And a couple weeks later when I came in with my repaired phone (thanks to un_brickable) were more than happy to get me back online with a new sim card (I had to use my sons old HTC Incredible until I FINALLY found the fix). The warranty is now VOID and I was NOT going to get a new one.
I also dropped the protection plan & bought a "development" Revolution off of E-bay. So if i blow one up i can be back up & running in a couple minutes. cheaper in the long run.
Sometimes being Honest doesnt pay off. But in the end I have a BETTER phone for the experience. (2 of them actually)

cbrebel said:
Proceeded to tell me that Verizon does not care if you root as long as the factory data reset will work as intended for them.
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I find this hard to believe. If they don't care, why do they keep shutting the door on every new exploit?
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stackrat said:
I find this hard to believe. If they don't care, why do they keep shutting the door on every new exploit?
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Because an exploit is just that, something that can be used maliciously. They aren't trying to screw with rooted people, they are patching security holes.
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stackrat said:
I find this hard to believe. If they don't care, why do they keep shutting the door on every new exploit?
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any vulnerable area in the code HAS to be patched because the first people we blame for the phone getting hacked, is Verizon, for not having the security it should have in the software
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Rooted phones are a liability...
For Verizon. The reps don't care (of course), but the main company does. It does void your warranty if they find out about it.
See, the tethering apps, Google navigation, Google voice, etc, etc are all lost profits. This is especially true with this phone, where in stock form, they nickel and dime you for "Verizon Navigation," "Verizon Voicemail," and "Verizon Tether."
Another negative impact for them is the number of returns the early rooting and experimentation process creates. I can remember the number of "forced failures" and nit-picking occurring on my old Eris when people were flashing the leaked upgrade that permanently disabled root, just so they had an excuse to return them.
The Verizon reps are "next-to-minimum-wage," 18-30 year old employees who could give a rat's patootie what you do with your phone. The RMA techs, on the other hand, may not be so forgiving.

Samsung captivate - hard bricked

My samsung captivate had never given me any problems(in the very short but good few months I've had it) until I tried to downgrade from Gingerbread(2.3.5) to Froyo about 4 days back.
While using Odin 1 click (and the phone was rooted) to accomplish what I just said, the process seemingly carried out perfectly, the "passed" message appeared in Odin and it looked like it was a success, but instead of rebooting as usual after flashing, my Cappy just went completely blank, and has stayed like that ever since. :crying:
I have tried every button combo there is, and since Jigs are for soft bricks, I guess there's no use.
The only remedy that I haven't gone for yet, is Jtag.
Can someone, anyone, PLEASE help me here!?
Hoping someone gets it working here..

Yep. If zero signs of life...even when wall charging, then sounds like hard brick.
Which Odin did u use to downgrade ??
Just curious...
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4-2ndtwin said:
Yep. If zero signs of life...even when wall charging, then sounds like hard brick.
Which Odin did u use to downgrade ??
Just curious...
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Well I've used Odin 3 v 1.8.5 and even Odin3 v1.7 many, many times and it's all run perfectly, but this one was Odin 3 One Click v 1.00
I've never bricked a phone ever, and yeah this one's a badass hard brick for sure.
ANY help would be really appreciated, all!

Can you provide a link to the thread you dl'd from?

mrhaley30705 said:
Can you provide a link to the thread you dl'd from?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
As you can see, it's from here. That's the Odin I used, but I don't think there was anything wrong with the file(at least I hope not)
It completed the process, gave the "passed" message, and then the phone went blank, like immediately.
Any thoughts on how that may have happened? 'Cause I thought it may have been bricked due to Odin crashing, but it did go through till the end, seemingly successful.

Anup7 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
As you can see, it's from here. That's the Odin I used, but I don't think there was anything wrong with the file(at least I hope not)
It completed the process, gave the "passed" message, and then the phone went blank, like immediately.
Any thoughts on how that may have happened? 'Cause I thought it may have been bricked due to Odin crashing, but it did go through till the end, seemingly successful.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841512
^ ^ This jig, is it for a hard bricked captivate or a soft bricked one? 'Coz although I'm definitely not confident with tearing up a micro USB cable, I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow. Heading to Radioshack first thing in the morning. Last shot God dammit :/

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Jig won't do anything for a "Hard" Brick...only J-tag and/or Unbrickable Mod.
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Anup7 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
As you can see, it's from here. That's the Odin I used, but I don't think there was anything wrong with the file(at least I hope not)
It completed the process, gave the "passed" message, and then the phone went blank, like immediately.
Any thoughts on how that may have happened? 'Cause I thought it may have been bricked due to Odin crashing, but it did go through till the end, seemingly successful.
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Something had to go wrong when the jf6 bootloaders were flashed, obviously. If u did not close that Odin yet (unlikely, i know) u could scroll through the log and see what it says about the boot.bin and sbl.bin.
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Well Odin was closed, as expected. So that's not an option obviously.
Is Jtag doable by users, like could I get instructions on how to go about it? Or would I have to send it in?
And any other ideas?

Regardless, i recommend mobiletechvideos.com for the fix.
Respected and reliable !!
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How long have you had the phone?? Only three months?
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Anup7 said:
Well Odin was closed, as expected. So that's not an option obviously.
Is Jtag doable by users, like could I get instructions on how to go about it? Or would I have to send it in?
And any other ideas?
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Here are some threads from the dev forum...
Developing methods to recover bricks without JTAG
The Captivate Development Platform mod AKA UnBrickable Mod
[HOW-TO]UnBrick the UnBrickable Captivate
....or like I said before, check out mobiletechvideos.com

Anup7 said:
Well Odin was closed, as expected. So that's not an option obviously.
Is Jtag doable by users, like could I get instructions on how to go about it? Or would I have to send it in?
And any other ideas?
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Dude if nothing works and you have had the phone for less than 1 year call at&t tell him you had your phone plugged into your computer over night charging, you woke up and the phone won't turn on now. And yiur house lost power and regained and there must have been a power surge around your area. You don't know what happened but it won't respond to anything....also do you know if your tripped the flash counter at all? Or did you reset it? P.m. me if any help needed I just went through this with my note....if all else fails p.m. me I have another fix but it isn't free but its cheaper than buying a new phone outright...
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No flash counter with the Captivate.

4-2ndtwin said:
No flash counter with the Captivate.
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Well I thought of that too, but then there's a problem. I actually bought this phone from a friend, a couple months ago, since I wasn't sure how good of a model this was and I didn't want to go get myself a new Cappy just to be let down and want another one, you know?
Still, spent 160$ on it.
Anyway, he doesn't have the receipt, there's no way I can get att to replace it like you suggested.
And just a side note, the phone was in mint condition, never even been rooted before it got to me, lol!
Btw nope, no flash counter.

Huh? Att will not ask for a receipt when doing a warranty exchange...I've never had an issue with people not having receipts for a manufacturer defect....you will be fine as long as the phone was purchase less than a year ago
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Kflan22 said:
Huh? Att will not ask for a receipt when doing a warranty exchange...I've never had an issue with people not having receipts for a manufacturer defect....you will be fine as long as the phone was purchase less than a year ago
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I thought they'd need it as proof, but thanks!
I'll head over to ATT in a couple hours and see what they say.
I'll let you know.

FYI - the return may have a hiccup in it. Since you bought it from a friend and not from AT&T (or an authorized reseller), they don't have any proof of how long you've had it. There's no way for them to know whether you got it yesterday or 2 years ago, so they may put up a fight about honoring the warranty.
This is just speculation, but I just wanted to throw it out there that it may not go as smoothly as we would all like it to go for you.

jmtheiss said:
FYI - the return may have a hiccup in it. Since you bought it from a friend and not from AT&T (or an authorized reseller), they don't have any proof of how long you've had it. There's no way for them to know whether you got it yesterday or 2 years ago, so they may put up a fight about honoring the warranty.
This is just speculation, but I just wanted to throw it out there that it may not go as smoothly as we would all like it to go for you.
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Thanks for the heads up though!
Any suggestions on how I should go about it then? Should I even tell ATT that I got it from a friend? Instead I could say I got it from ATT but lost the receipt...maybe a loophole somewhere.

If the phone had been activated for less than a year and its not a refurbished unit, they should replace it.

[Q] Return Completely Stock

So I recently bought my M8 and would love to root, but there have been a lot of reports of issues with data because of csfb issues. I have not had this issue, but if I do start having it or any other issue, I want to be able to go back to stock and return my phone to Sprint. I am currently in the 14 day return period and I have insurance. On my last phone, I was rooted and was having issues with my battery and went back to Sprint, and the guy there told me that he could not work on it if it was rooted. He was a pretty cool guy, but he made is sound like it was a really big deal that I rooted. I have searched on all the Sprint M8 threads and I can't find a way to go back to stock. And I mean completely stock. Finding a stock ROM, Kernel, and recovery is easy, but I am not sure about s-on and locking the bootloader. I don't want the bootloader to say "re-locked" at the top because that is a dead giveaway that I unlocked. Is there currently no way to go completely stock?

As of now there is no public RUU and without that you won't get completely back to stock.
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You don't need an RUU for your device to "look" stock. Restore that stock nandroid that's floating around, flash stock recovery, and take the OTA.
As long as you're S-OFF, you can change the flag to LOCKED and then go back S-ON.

suicidal acorn said:
So I recently bought my M8 and would love to root, but there have been a lot of reports of issues with data because of csfb issues. I have not had this issue, but if I do start having it or any other issue, I want to be able to go back to stock and return my phone to Sprint. I am currently in the 14 day return period and I have insurance. On my last phone, I was rooted and was having issues with my battery and went back to Sprint, and the guy there told me that he could not work on it if it was rooted. He was a pretty cool guy, but he made is sound like it was a really big deal that I rooted. I have searched on all the Sprint M8 threads and I can't find a way to go back to stock. And I mean completely stock. Finding a stock ROM, Kernel, and recovery is easy, but I am not sure about s-on and locking the bootloader. I don't want the bootloader to say "re-locked" at the top because that is a dead giveaway that I unlocked. Is there currently no way to go completely stock?
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What is the data issue you are writing about? I think I am suffering from it, can you elaborate?

redmanjoey said:
What is the data issue you are writing about? I think I am suffering from it, can you elaborate?
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Basically people are having issues with connection. I'm not going to fully explain this because it is quite complicated and to be honest, I don't even fully understand it. But because this is a tri band phone (sprint spark) it relies on the network to tell it when you switch from different bands and when to switch from an LTE connection back to a 1x connection for voice calls. The phone only has one data transmission path, so it can't be connected to LTE and 1x (voice network) at the same time. It has to be one or the other. That's why you can't use mobile data while in a call. This works perfectly fine when the tower you are connected to has been upgraded and has the correct csfb fallback switches in place. But the problem is, a lot of towers don't. This causes huge problems for spark phones. All spark phones have this issue; the. Samsung Galaxy s5, LG G2,and the Nexus 5. But a lot of people have been having issues with this phone being really bad. Sometimes people can't receive/send texts or calls, and sometimes they can't connect to mobile data at all, no matter where they go. Originally it was thought to be an issue with sprint and what I described earlier, but people noticed that if they swapped out the phone for a new one, the issue went away. This isn't true for everyone, but that solved the issues for a lot of people. The general idea now is that it mainly seemed to affect people that ordered the M8 online early on. It doesn't seem to be affecting the phones bought from stores recently as much. Someone also claimed that the phones were provisioned incorrectly and that was causing it. But nobody really knows. If you are having an issue like I described, I would go back to where you bought it from and tell them you want to exchange it.
Also, if someone notices anything I said was incorrect, please call me out on it. As far as I know it's all correct, but I could easily be wrong.
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I don't want to sound like a total idiot, but I guess their no way around it, I haven't used a HTC product since my Hero days, So let me make sure I understand what you are saying, flash my stock rooted nandroid, find a stock recovery zip and flash, then do I used terminal to lock my bootloader, or do I flash another zip? Then where does the OTA come in at? Now after reading this and the rolling of the eyes, I just wanted to make sure I didn't make a mistake, and this will have me back to stock without root ? I will like to thanks in advance for your patients.

suicidal acorn said:
Basically people are having issues with connection. I'm not going to fully explain this because it is quite complicated and to be honest, I don't even fully understand it. But because this is a tri band phone (sprint spark) it relies on the network to tell it when you switch from different bands and when to switch from an LTE connection back to a 1x connection for voice calls. The phone only has one data transmission path, so it can't be connected to LTE and 1x (voice network) at the same time. It has to be one or the other. That's why you can't use mobile data while in a call. This works perfectly fine when the tower you are connected to has been upgraded and has the correct csfb fallback switches in place. But the problem is, a lot of towers don't. This causes huge problems for spark phones. All spark phones have this issue; the. Samsung Galaxy s5, LG G2,and the Nexus 5. But a lot of people have been having issues with this phone being really bad. Sometimes people can't receive/send texts or calls, and sometimes they can't connect to mobile data at all, no matter where they go. Originally it was thought to be an issue with sprint and what I described earlier, but people noticed that if they swapped out the phone for a new one, the issue went away. This isn't true for everyone, but that solved the issues for a lot of people. The general idea now is that it mainly seemed to affect people that ordered the M8 online early on. It doesn't seem to be affecting the phones bought from stores recently as much. Someone also claimed that the phones were provisioned incorrectly and that was causing it. But nobody really knows. If you are having an issue like I described, I would go back to where you bought it from and tell them you want to exchange it.
Also, if someone notices anything I said was incorrect, please call me out on it. As far as I know it's all correct, but I could easily be wrong.
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Good explanation. On my note 3 I was consistently hitting no less than 10 mbps at my house. On my M8 I was getting 2-20 MBPS at my house, with NO consistency. No issues with calling/texting, however. I recieved my M8 on the 11th (same day as the s5 came out, expecting chaos) and was getting okay signal in my house. Now a few days later it seems someone is pointing a cell phone jammer at me. I lose connection completely, then it goes back to slow speeds, about twice per minute. Same thing with calling and texting though. I REALLY do not want to go through the entire process of going back to stock to ship it back to amazon, so I am hoping it has something to do with sprints towers since I was alright the first few days.

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I don't want to sound like a total idiot, but I guess their no way around it, I haven't used a HTC product since my Hero days, So let me make sure I understand what you are saying, flash my stock rooted nandroid, find a stock recovery zip and flash, then do I used terminal to lock my bootloader, or do I flash another zip? Then where does the OTA come in at? Now after reading this and the rolling of the eyes, I just wanted to make sure I didn't make a mistake, and this will have me back to stock without root ? I will like to thanks in advance for your patients.
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Haha I completely understand the position you are in. I was in that position not too long ago. You do almost exactly what you said. Flash stock rom (NOT stock rooted though) and stock recovery, then lock the bootloader through adb. And that will pretty much return you to stock, but your bootloader will say "re-locked" at the top instead of "locked." So it's obvious that you've unlocked at some point. If everything else is stock, I doubt anyone would question it and you would more than likely be fine, but I like to be extra safe. I know with my previous phone (EVO LTE) if you were s-off, you could run a tool that made it say "locked" instead of "re-locked" so I would imagine you could do the same for this phone, but as far as I'm aware, you can't yet. I guess we'll just have to wait for a dev to make a tool for that.
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suicidal acorn said:
Haha I completely understand the position you are in. I was in that position not too long ago. You do almost exactly what you said. Flash stock rom (NOT stock rooted though) and stock recovery, then lock the bootloader through adb. And that will pretty much return you to stock, but your bootloader will say "re-locked" at the top instead of "locked." So it's obvious that you've unlocked at some point. If everything else is stock, I doubt anyone would question it and you would more than likely be fine, but I like to be extra safe. I know with my previous phone (EVO LTE) if you were s-off, you could run a tool that made it say "locked" instead of "re-locked" so I would imagine you could do the same for this phone, but as far as I'm aware, you can't yet. I guess we'll just have to wait for a dev to make a tool for that.
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Yes you can. I said that in my explanation. There's no tool, it's a procedure.
And this procedure properly sets the flag rather than masking it.

Captain_Throwback said:
Yes you can. I said that in my explanation. There's no tool, it's a procedure.
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Can you post a link? I looked all over for it and couldn't find it. That's awesome though! Thank you!
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suicidal acorn said:
Can you post a link? I looked all over for it and couldn't find it. That's awesome though! Thank you!
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I did a search on "HTC M8 locked bootloader" in Tapatalk, and this thread was in the results: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51700453

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I did a search on "HTC M8 locked bootloader" in Tapatalk, and this thread was in the results: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51700453
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Ahhh I was just looking in the Sprint forums. Not the general forums. ?
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redmanjoey said:
Good explanation. On my note 3 I was consistently hitting no less than 10 mbps at my house. On my M8 I was getting 2-20 MBPS at my house, with NO consistency. No issues with calling/texting, however. I recieved my M8 on the 11th (same day as the s5 came out, expecting chaos) and was getting okay signal in my house. Now a few days later it seems someone is pointing a cell phone jammer at me. I lose connection completely, then it goes back to slow speeds, about twice per minute. Same thing with calling and texting though. I REALLY do not want to go through the entire process of going back to stock to ship it back to amazon, so I am hoping it has something to do with sprints towers since I was alright the first few days.
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Glad I'm not the only one... My data and cell service have been not connecting all day today after a couple days with no issues ... Definitely going to be returning this one
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iDoc21 said:
Glad I'm not the only one... My data and cell service have been not connecting all day today after a couple days with no issues ... Definitely going to be returning this one
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I am so dissapointed, but I dont know wether to blame HTC or Sprint. No matter where I am I get the same crap, I went a few miles away where I know the heart of sprint spark connection lies, but still get really bad connection. I'm just going to return it to amazon, then buy it from best buy so if this crap happens I don't waste days and days of getting it shipped back to amazon.
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Captain_Throwback said:
You don't need an RUU for your device to "look" stock. Restore that stock nandroid that's floating around, flash stock recovery, and take the OTA.
As long as you're S-OFF, you can change the flag to LOCKED and then go back S-ON.
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How does one get the stock nandroid? I have also searched and cant find it. Then I just flash it like a normal rom? I need to ship this back to amazon, I dont think they will check the bootloader and stuff but for sure a rom with missing apps will surely trigger them.

Could you point me in direction of a link or location where I can find a stock M8 rom and recovery, trying to get back to Stock so I can return phone to Sprint for another M8 after having the problem with my Spark and signal that everyone else is having. Plan on using Captain_Throwback method for my Hboot, just need to have the Rom and stock recovery to get this show on the road. Thanks in advance and thanks for your patience dealing with noobs !

redmanjoey said:
I am so dissapointed, but I dont know wether to blame HTC or Sprint. No matter where I am I get the same crap, I went a few miles away where I know the heart of sprint spark connection lies, but still get really bad connection. I'm just going to return it to amazon, then buy it from best buy so if this crap happens I don't waste days and days of getting it shipped back to amazon.
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Sprint is trying to get their network working properly, but it's not an easy task. The upgrades have to be done to each tower and that takes time. Not only does Sprint have to have the work done, they have to get a permit for each tower first. Some places that is easy enough, but some other places the government is very strict with work permits and it takes forever to get one. It could quite possibly be an issue with your phone, but it could also be an issue with the network. If you get a replacement and still experience issues, it's the network. If the issue goes away, then it was the phone. Unfortunately, I'm most cases it's really hard to tell until you get the replacement. But in your case, I'm almost certain it's an issue with your phone.
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redmanjoey said:
How does one get the stock nandroid? I have also searched and cant find it. Then I just flash it like a normal rom? I need to ship this back to amazon, I dont think they will check the bootloader and stuff but for sure a rom with missing apps will surely trigger them.
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robbnice said:
Could you point me in direction of a link or location where I can find a stock M8 rom and recovery, trying to get back to Stock so I can return phone to Sprint for another M8 after having the problem with my Spark and signal that everyone else is having. Plan on using Captain_Throwback method for my Hboot, just need to have the Rom and stock recovery to get this show on the road. Thanks in advance and thanks for your patience dealing with noobs !
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I honestly don't know where to find one. I've seen it mentioned multiple times, but I've read like 30 threads for this phone in the last couple days. Tomorrow I will he unlocking and I can send you guys the stock nandroid for the system, but I don't know about recovery. I'll try to find it and let you know.
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Guys, check out @BD619's rooting thread here. He has the stock recovery included in his guide. You can download it here.

suicidal acorn said:
I honestly don't know where to find one. I've seen it mentioned multiple times, but I've read like 30 threads for this phone in the last couple days. Tomorrow I will he unlocking and I can send you guys the stock nandroid for the system, but I don't know about recovery. I'll try to find it and let you know.
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Stock nandroid here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51624633

My Tedious Adventure back to OCE (From OF4)

Recently I updated to OF3 and found out the hard way that there is no root method. Frustrated at the fact that nothing was available at the moment, I unhesitatingly updated to OF4 for the StageFright patch. Soon after that, I had the itch that a possible root method might be coming out for OF3 and flashed, through ODIN, the stock OF3 tar files to my OF4 S6. All booted up well and was looking flawless untill I noticed the circle with a line through it, indicating that I had no service whatsoever. Worried, I re-flashed the OF3 and got nowhere, so I turned to the AT&T support center where they had previously replaced my phone with an issue like this. I went in (under warranty) and gave them the phone to look at. 10 minutes later they realized that they couldn't do anything and replaced my phone on the spot with a brand new replacement running the original OCE firmware. I was ecstatic and relieved at the fact that I could achieve root once again. Anyway that was my tedious journey back to OCE. :good:

Wtf does this have to do with development?
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DigitalUnderground said:
Wtf does this have to do with development?
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+1

Anujan said:
+1
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My apologies guys, wrong thread guys! Any way this could be moved?

NizzleFish98 said:
Recently I updated to OF3 and found out the hard way that there is no root method. Frustrated at the fact that nothing was available at the moment, I unhesitatingly updated to OF4 for the StageFright patch. Soon after that, I had the itch that a possible root method might be coming out for OF3 and flashed, through ODIN, the stock OF3 tar files to my OF4 S6. All booted up well and was looking flawless untill I noticed the circle with a line through it, indicating that I had no service whatsoever. Worried, I re-flashed the OF3 and got nowhere, so I turned to the AT&T support center where they had previously replaced my phone with an issue like this. I went in (under warranty) and gave them the phone to look at. 10 minutes later they realized that they couldn't do anything and replaced my phone on the spot with a brand new replacement running the original OCE firmware. I was ecstatic and relieved at the fact that I could achieve root once again. Anyway that was my tedious journey back to OCE. :good:
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surely you learned to read up before updating as well lol
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elliwigy said:
surely you learned to read up before updating as well lol
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I've learned lol

So you soft bricked your phone and got it replaced under warranty?
This isn't downgrading firmware, it isn't new, and it isn't ethical.

There are several unethical aspects on the other side to be argued. For starters, how about, is it ethical to be told what I can and can't do with a device I bought and own...especially if i paid for it in full? Is it ethical to not give me the ability to uninstall software I choose not to have on a device I own? Is it ethical to delay firmware updates that include high risk security updates for almost a year? Is it ethical to charge for Internet tethering when I already pay for Internet on a device that natively supports tethering? I can keep going if you would like....
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cavsoldier19d said:
There are several unethical aspects on the other side to be argued. For starters, how about, is it ethical to be told what I can and can't do with a device I bought and own...especially if i paid for it in full? Is it ethical to not give me the ability to uninstall software I choose not to have on a device I own? Is it ethical to delay firmware updates that include high risk security updates for almost a year? Is it ethical to charge for Internet tethering when I already pay for Internet on a device that natively supports tethering? I can keep going if you would like....
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It is when you sign the paper that says you agree to all those things.

Just because you sign the paper doesn't make it ethical or right. Again, one could argue, even if it's in your contract that says the carrier may provide updates whenever or not at all, is that ethical to do so in modern times and leave your customers vulnerable to attacks or security exploits because you don't provide updates in a timely manner? Its called unethical business practices in which all carriers get away with. They stick it to us, so I'm all for sticking it to them given the opportunity to do so. Either way, I'm pretty sure the carriers are getting the better side of this deal at the end of the day.
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cavsoldier19d said:
Just because you sign the paper doesn't make it ethical or right. Again, one could argue, even if it's in your contract that says the carrier may provide updates whenever or not at all, is that ethical to do so in modern times and leave your customers vulnerable to attacks or security exploits because you don't provide updates in a timely manner? Its called unethical business practices in which all carriers get away with. They stick it to us, so I'm all for sticking it to them given the opportunity to do so. Either way, I'm pretty sure the carriers are getting the better side of this deal at the end of the day.
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I don't like it either. But they are upfront about what you are and are not getting in your agreement. As long as they uphold their end, I don't see that as unethical. Scummy maybe, but not unethical. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet.

Anyone buying any ATT device and expecting an unlocked bootloaders, root access, or the ability to do these things is either not doing their research or is naive. Especially those paying full price.
If you must have an S6 and all that, buy an international device or a TMO device, or buy a nexus or other known unlocked device.