Hey Guys and Gals
Being a Galaxy note 3 owner, I'm keen to see whats under the hood of the next generation in Samsung's great "note" series of devices. Looking forward to members thoughts on the Samsung galaxy Note 4's hardware:good:
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Samsung Galaxy Note 4 specifications:
Display - Super AMOLED 1440 x 2560 pixels, 5.7 inches (~515 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 (SM-N910S) - Exynos 5433 (SM-N910C)
CPU - Quad-core 2.7 GHz Krait 450 (SM-N910S) - Quad-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A53 & 1.9GHz quad-core Cortex-A57 (SM-N910C)
GPU - Adreno 420 (SM-N910S) - Mali-T760 (SM-N910C)
RAM - 3 GB
Memory - 32GB, microSD, up to 64 GB
Camera - 16 MP, 3456 x 4608 pixels, optical image stabilization, autofocus, LED flash. Video - [email protected], [email protected]
Secondary Camera - 3.7 MP. Video - [email protected]
Sensors - Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, gesture, UV, heart rate, SpO2
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot. Bluetooth v4.1, A2DP, EDR, LE, NFC,
Battery - 3,220 mAh
Dimensions - 153.5 x 78.6 x 8.5 mm
Weight - 176 g
Source: gsmarena
Anyone more dissappointed?
Same screen size, same ram, no waterproof, just slightly better processor.
I was expecting waterproof, 4gb of ram and ois at least to upgrade, but looking at what they made, I'll just wait to note 5 or any other brand in the future.
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3GB of ram not 4gb
No water resistant
USB 2.0 downgraded from 3.0
We don't even know about microSD, no one said nothing
kersh said:
Same screen size, same ram, no waterproof, just slightly better processor.
I was expecting waterproof, 4gb of ram and ois at least to upgrade, but looking at what they made, I'll just wait to note 5 or any other brand in the future.
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Well it has OIS
On the bright side, the phone looks and feels premium
kersh said:
Same screen size, same ram, no waterproof, just slightly better processor.
I was expecting waterproof, 4gb of ram and ois at least to upgrade, but looking at what they made, I'll just wait to note 5 or any other brand in the future.
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I'm disappointed too. It has nice features and all, but the same design, over and over is making me sick!!!
Sad to hear about the lack of waterproofing like the S5. I'll stay with the S5 for now.
Deception !
kersh said:
Same screen size, same ram, no waterproof, just slightly better processor.
I was expecting waterproof, 4gb of ram and ois at least to upgrade, but looking at what they made, I'll just wait to note 5 or any other brand in the future.
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First, I was very enthusiastic about the Galaxy Note 4. But damn Sammy ! This Note 4 gave me the impression of a Note 3 with a new software update, excepted for some specs, but nothing transcendent ! QHD is pointless, CPU are quite the same (only a little more powerful but nothing special even with a hard use). They really fooled us !
chamberc said:
Sad to hear about the lack of waterproofing like the S5. I'll stay with the S5 for now.
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I don't expect Note 4 to be waterproof but at least Water-resistant like in S5. Surely, this one don't seems to be much of Wow factor with nothing other than "Effect Jargon".:crying:
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Is the phone speaker back firing? I hate that design. Oh man.
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If you lay this flat on the table, will it scratch the glass lens on the back camera?
what about ip65 ? dust or water proof ?
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what about ip65 ? dust or water proof ?
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Neither. It's not even water resistant. It's like the S4 or Note 3.
http://atherakber.us/ifa-2014-samsung-officially-announces-galaxy-note-4-galaxy-note-edge/
bummer. i was hoping for water resist and better speakers (front facing). :crying: the display is nice though.
Why did they downgraded usb 3.0 to 2.0 though ram still the same and no water resist
I'm not obsessed with water-resistance. I expected a BIGGER battery (4000mAh), slightly bigger screen (5.9inch), stereo speakers (similar to HTC ONE). Those features are more ESSENTIAL to me than... water resistance.... ?
¿USB 3.0?:crying:
¿IP67?:crying:
¿Wireless charging Qi?
My take on the Note 4 Specs:
USB 3.0 missing
I have to be honest, I never really used the USB 3.0, my guess is most people didn't either. I can understand this move, and it might be a big deal for some people. For me personally, 802.11AC was quick enough that I didn't really have to use a cable at all when doing file / video transfers. As long as the MMC on the Note 4 can fully saturate the USB 2.0 bus,it will still be quite zippy. It is a bummer, but really doesn't affect me personally.
Screen:
I personally have really sharp eyes, and I can still see the negative affects of pentile even at the 1080P resolution. (If you have a Note 3, Try looking at a website with black background and red text with medium to high brightness, and you will probably be able to see it too.)
I welcome the 1440P resolution, and am excited to see if I can still see the pentile pixels or not. Normally Usage doesn't matter much, but if you read comics, or view a lot of images on your device, the pentile can STILL be distracting on the Note 3, so props to Note 4 for this.
WaterProofing
Another disappointment... however, really doesn't affect me. I've never dropped or water damaged any of my phones ever, and wouldn't shower or take it out in the rain even if it was waterproofed. Might be nice to use it in the tub if I got a call though once again, I probably wouldn't do it anyways.
Wireless Charging
I'm sure they will support this with a special back... or a 3rd party sticker as well. I wish samsung would just include this, instead of charging an additional 60 dollar back cover that doesn't fit with most cases..... but nothing lost and nothing gained here.
CPU/RAM
I have to admit, I really wanted 4GB and 64-Bit...
However, you can't really complain about performance... have you seen benchmarks of the 805 vs. the 800?
Basically you are looking at 20% boost in cpu performance in clock speed alone, but the GPU Adreno 420 should be 40-60% faster than on the Note 3, while being 20% more power efficient. It even blows the Snapdragon 801 found in the S5 out of the water.
To sum it up, looking forward to the display and performance improvements, I won't necessarily miss the waterproofing or usb 3.0, but I think they should have been there, especially since the device is a bit thicker. Assuming I can sell my Note 3 for a decent price, I will be upgrading.
T-Mobile Note 4 Variant
now that T-Mobile has purchased A-Block 700mhz LTE spectrum (Band 12) from Verizon i'm interested in verify if the Note 4 and the Note 4 Edge will support Band 12 if not there is no reason to *Jump* from the Note 3 hopefully the UnCarrier 7.0 initiative on Sept 10th will help to clear that up can't find anything on GSMArena, or Phone Arena that confirms Band 12 for this device
Android Authority was reporting it to have 4GB ram.
I cannot believe that sites like androidpolice and androidcentral don't have the sack to call Samsung out for being cowardly, lazy, and for pretty much ruining Christmas. The Note 4 stinks. It honestly isn't a step up from a Note 2, there is *nothing* about it that even remotely interests me. I guess I have to see what becomes of the next gen Moto X or something Sony comes out with for my next phone, because the Note series seems to have skidded to a halt.
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As we all know, the battery is the Note 4 is virtually the same as the one used in Note 3, it's only 20 mah larger in capacity. So why didn't samsung just stay at 3200 mah?
The real reason I found out after many nights of careful analysis is that Samsung does not want use to use Note 3 battery on the Note 4, therefore it would promote their battery sales, which makes up a substantial portion of their income. Samsung engineers obvious is not capable of figuring out how to make a improvement on the battery capacity despite note 4 is so much heavy than the Note 3. So the other goal achieved is to save face, so that they would not get criticism from the public for not improve on the battery capacity, despite there is virtually no piratical benefit makes the phone 19% heavier.
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I see the shape of the battery has changed significantly.
Note 3:
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Note 4:
The Note 4 battery is much skinnier and longer. It is possible that this is just a side effect of having a new internal layout in the phone - the Galaxy Alpha also has a very skinny and long battery.
I actually prefer this design since they no longer have to use the crappy SIM and SD card 2-in-one slot, instead they have the SIM and SD card as a separate slot.
What a strange shape for a phone battery.
The weight is not symmetric.
The shape already change, means even without extra 20mAh, you also can't use Note 3 battery on it.
pcman2000 said:
The Note 4 battery is much skinnier and longer. It is possible that this is just a side effect of having a new internal layout in the phone - the Galaxy Alpha also has a very skinny and long battery.
I actually prefer this design since they no longer have to use the crappy SIM and SD card 2-in-one slot, instead they have the SIM and SD card as a separate slot.
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Yeah, why is Samsung constantly change the back layout? Even generation has different slot places and battery shape and the way you take off your back cover.
One reason the battery shape is different is to allow the SD and SIM cards to be swapped out without removing the battery.
A lot of phones don't have a removable battery... having one is better despite the changes.
Yes, it's true every year samsung makes a new battery size. It's normal. Every year, I sell my previous note with batteries included, and re-buy the new ones. But I would rather that anyways, I sell them for a decent price, use a coupon code every year to get them for $25 a piece, and the newer batteries have a higher capacity since they haven't worn out.
Plus, I get little upgrades, like last year samsung released the battery+charger holder combo for the same $25!
I understand it can be a little annoying, but you wouldn't want a year or two year old battery in your phone when new ones are so cheap anyways.
Also, S5 was the first Samsung to get this long "style" battery. And I hope it looks like the one in that picture, I'm so used to the black, but that shiny silver would be cool. I don't remember seeing that in any unbox videos tho, maybe that's the note edge?
When will XDA get rid off these ridiculous signatures?
Anyway, every year I have to sell or throw away many batteries, what a waste. The batteries are so expensive and bad for the environment.
This is one of the more idiotic posts I've seen in a while. The internal layout of phones constantly change based on developing technology. The addition of the fingerprint scanner and heartbeat sensor in the S5/Alpha/Note 4 along with the new UV and SpO2 sensors in the Note 4 all necessitate changes to internal layout. As SOCs change in power consumption and heat dissipation, there may have to be changes in cooling layouts. The new ISOCELL sensors and flashes may have different sizes. Also with the new metal frames, Samsung may have tweaked the position of the internal radios and GPS.
In fact the S5, Alpha, and Note 4 all share similar battery proportions (tall, narrow batteries) which are quite different from the S4 and Note 3. It's not a huge surprise as all the phones share similar SOCs and sensors.
They change the battery shape to accommodate the hardware changes. It's really nothing more. It would be impossible to use the Note 3 battery with the Note 4 internals and keep the phone shape.
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Samzebian said:
And I hope it looks like the one in that picture, I'm so used to the black, but that shiny silver would be cool. I don't remember seeing that in any unbox videos tho, maybe that's the note edge?
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Unfortunately the shipping ones are black. All the silver ones that I've seen are all marked "SAMSUNG CONFIDENTIAL", so they may indicate a prototype / non-retail device.
wow !!! the thread title deserves a medal
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wow !!! the thread title deserves a medal
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kuromusha38 said:
As we all know, the battery is the Note 4 is virtually the same as the one used in Note 3, it's only 20 mah larger in capacity. So why didn't samsung just stay at 3200 mah?
The real reason I found out after many nights of careful analysis is that Samsung does not want use to use Note 3 battery on the Note 4, therefore it would promote their battery sales, which makes up a substantial portion of their income. Samsung engineers obvious is not capable of figuring out how to make a improvement on the battery capacity despite note 4 is so much heavy than the Note 3. So the other goal achieved is to save face, so that they would not get criticism from the public for not improve on the battery capacity, despite there is virtually no piratical benefit makes the phone 19% heavier.
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Yup. Stupid people are born stupid. The human race is doomed.
Lmao
Samzebian said:
Also, S5 was the first Samsung to get this long "style" battery.
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Actually, the Galaxy Round was the first Samsung phone to use this type of battery shape.
You are correct:
lmao lol
I thought I was on Facebook for a second... Like if you agree?
The Note 2 had a different battery than the Note 3... I don't recall any updated phone being capable of falling back and using it's replacements battery. I really hope this didn't tax your thoughts too much.
The announcement this morning looks like they have fixed the screen door effect on the new Gear VR2 for Samsung S6. Some of the other new features are outlined below such as comfort and ability to charge while using the VR! The new inprovements look great but it kinda makes me feel like us original Note 4 users are gonna get left behind with all new improvements created for the new S6. What is everyone's thoughts on this? Worth upgrading from the Note 4 for this or do you think the screen door effect will still exist?
Samsung Expands its Unrivaled Mobile Virtual Reality Experience with Gear VR Innovator Edition for Galaxy S6 and S6 edge
Samsung and Oculus refine Gear VR to provide a better, enhanced overall user experience while delivering a fully immersive content
Barcelona, Spain, March 1, 2015 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. continues its leadership in wearable technology and mobile virtual reality with its latest Samsung Gear VR Innovator Edition, fully optimized and compatible with Samsung Galaxy S6 and S6 edge, its next generation smartphone.
The Samsung Gear VR Innovator Edition for Galaxy S6, powered by Oculus, gives more users the opportunity to enjoy Samsung's unrivaled, fully immersive and cinematic virtual reality experience, with improved viewing as well as a more comfortable design.
Extraordinary Entertainment: Optimized for both the Galaxy S6 and S6 edge, and its 5.1-inch Super AMOLED display, Gear VR Innovator Edition lets users engage with high resolution movies, TV shows, VOD services and photos like never before. With reduced pixilation and a wide field-of-view, users receive a better virtual reality experience with longer lasting usage time.
-Improved Comfort: The 15% reduction in size makes Samsung Gear VR a more comfortable to wear. Ergonomically redesigned straps give better weight balance, while mechanical ventilation supports an extended VR experience.
-High Quality Performance: Greater computing power and improved graphics quality enable users to explore the best virtual reality adventures.
-USB Compatibility: The Gear VR can now be powered with its USB port for extended usage time.
-Robust Ecosystem: Gear VR content is available for download via the Oculus Store. Users have an extensive selection of optimized, localized virtual reality content from top-tier creators including thrilling VR games and 360 degree including a new performance from Cirque du Soleil, Kurios.
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They should get one working properly before releasing another. These cash grabs by manufacturers is getting out of hand. Apple and Samsung are becoming the same.
Haze69 said:
The announcement this morning looks like they have fixed the screen door effect on the new Gear VR2 for Samsung S6. Some of the other new features are outlined below such as comfort and ability to charge while using the VR! The new inprovements look great but it kinda makes me feel like us original Note 4 users are gonna get left behind with all new improvements created for the new S6. What is everyone's thoughts on this? Worth upgrading from the Note 4 for this or do you think the screen door effect will still exist?
Samsung Expands its Unrivaled Mobile Virtual Reality Experience with Gear VR Innovator Edition for Galaxy S6 and S6 edge
Samsung and Oculus refine Gear VR to provide a better, enhanced overall user experience while delivering a fully immersive content
Barcelona, Spain, March 1, 2015 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. continues its leadership in wearable technology and mobile virtual reality with its latest Samsung Gear VR Innovator Edition, fully optimized and compatible with Samsung Galaxy S6 and S6 edge, its next generation smartphone.
The Samsung Gear VR Innovator Edition for Galaxy S6, powered by Oculus, gives more users the opportunity to enjoy Samsung's unrivaled, fully immersive and cinematic virtual reality experience, with improved viewing as well as a more comfortable design.
Extraordinary Entertainment: Optimized for both the Galaxy S6 and S6 edge, and its 5.1-inch Super AMOLED display, Gear VR Innovator Edition lets users engage with high resolution movies, TV shows, VOD services and photos like never before. With reduced pixilation and a wide field-of-view, users receive a better virtual reality experience with longer lasting usage time.
-Improved Comfort: The 15% reduction in size makes Samsung Gear VR a more comfortable to wear. Ergonomically redesigned straps give better weight balance, while mechanical ventilation supports an extended VR experience.
-High Quality Performance: Greater computing power and improved graphics quality enable users to explore the best virtual reality adventures.
-USB Compatibility: The Gear VR can now be powered with its USB port for extended usage time.
-Robust Ecosystem: Gear VR content is available for download via the Oculus Store. Users have an extensive selection of optimized, localized virtual reality content from top-tier creators including thrilling VR games and 360 degree including a new performance from Cirque du Soleil, Kurios.
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"With reduced pixelation" - this is just marketing bs unless they reduced the size of the VR screen and FOV. Same VR size + same resolution = same experience regardless of pixel density. The new SoC of the S6 would have been nice though, but this just means more development for the Gear in general (and hopefully better support for the exynos)!
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shollywood said:
They should get one working properly before releasing another. These cash grabs by manufacturers is getting out of hand. Apple and Samsung are becoming the same.
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How is the first one not working properly and why would the release of another model change the support for the first? I'd argue that we'll see even better support now that the userbase is going to increase for the Gear VR! :good:
In principle both units are probably the same except usb charging ( Note 4 has bigger battery ). I think reduced screen door effect comes from higher pixel density and smaller pixels. I hope that now with 3 phones: Note 4, S6, S6 Edge we'll start see more development in VR area.
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darekz said:
In principle both units are probably the same except usb charging ( Note 4 has bigger battery ). I think reduced screen door effect comes from higher pixel density and smaller pixels. I hope that now with 3 phones: Note 4, S6, S6 Edge we'll start see more development in VR area.
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Reduction of pixel size does not matter if the size of the virtual screen is the same unless the resolution is also higher. Imagine a 1080 projector screen filling up 50% of your field of vision at 5 meters away from the screen, now imagine walking closer with the screen shrinking keeping that same 50% fov - the visibility of the pixels won't change.
If the overheating is truly solved on the S6 and they give us the ability to charge while using the VR, this is a great advancement for Gear VR. I only dislike the fact they've decided to create a whole different headset for a new phone but not give that option of the improvements to existing owners. Samsung hasn't even released a fix for the overheating problem on the Note 4.. At MWC today they showed a side by side image of Note 4 VR vs S6 VR and clearly showed the Note 4 image with screen door effect while the S6 had none.. I guess only time will tell as reviews come out if this is truly solved.
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Charging port equals being able to wire from your PC? That means PC gaming streamed to the GVR2 without wifi lag which would be huge. Unfortunately I am thinking this will be some propriety magnetic solution so no one strangles themselves and that could mean no data pass through. Who knows?
SDE will remain unchanged since in order to achieve the same FOV as the much larger N4, they will have to move the user's eyes closer to the screen.
Yet someone posts, how is the first one not working properly?
The whole Xynos chip vs. snapdragon has been a huge mess and some still don't even have lollipop yet.
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Toss3 said:
"With reduced pixelation" - this is just marketing bs unless they reduced the size of the VR screen and FOV. Same VR size + same resolution = same experience regardless of pixel density. The new SoC of the S6 would have been nice though, but this just means more development for the Gear in general (and hopefully better support for the exynos)!
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How is the first one not working properly and why would the release of another model change the support for the first? I'd argue that we'll see even better support now that the userbase is going to increase for the Gear VR! :good:
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Are you serious? Lol wow
Not that they'll pay any attention to me, but I emailed Samsung and BEGGED them to make the Note 5 Gear VR-compatible. With a rumored UHD resolution, one could only hope that the additional pixel density would solve the screen door effect. That and flaws in the internal lens are my #1 gripe about the GVR.
Well, that and content, content, content...
EDIT: Samsung apparently touts a whopping 11% improvement in resolution over OUR Gear VR. Hardly enough to make me run out and buy an S6 and GVR2.
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Not that they'll pay any attention to me, but I emailed Samsung and BEGGED them to make the Note 5 Gear VR-compatible. With a rumored UHD resolution, one could only hope that the additional pixel density would solve the screen door effect. That and flaws in the internal lens are my #1 gripe about the GVR.
Well, that and content, content, content...
EDIT: Samsung apparently touts a whopping 11% improvement in resolution over OUR Gear VR. Hardly enough to make me run out and buy an S6 and GVR2.
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I'm confused. On a 5.1'" screen you will have to be significantly closer to the screen to achieve the same 96% FOV. This means the added pixel density from a smaller screen will be completely lost leaving us with the same SDE as the GVR. Just because the PPI is higher will have no benefit because of the need for closer proximity.
Are you confusing my statement about the Note 5 with the Galaxy S6? I was referring to the Note 5 being (hopefully) compatible with our GVR, and its rumored 5.9" 4K UHD resolution. I was not in the least considering a Galaxy S6 for this device.
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Are you confusing my statement about the Note 5 with the Galaxy S6? I was referring to the Note 5 being (hopefully) compatible with our GVR, and its rumored 5.9" 4K UHD resolution. I was not in the least considering a Galaxy S6 for this device.
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I want to say I wish it was compatible as we shouldn't have to pay another 200 dollars but then we wouldn't get the charging feature or "extra comfort" that they added to the new vr (I'm sure additional features will be added for the N5 version). I hope they add some kind of gear vr trade in eventually as I would hate to have to purchase a new Gear vr full price every year.
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Haze69 said:
I hope they add some kind of gear vr trade in eventually as I would hate to have to purchase a new Gear vr full price every year.
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I bought the Gear VR fully expecting it to be obsolete in 6 to 12 months. Samsung usually offers some sort of trade-in, but I think they will give you a $50 discount for handing in your $200 device. I really don't care ... I'll give my old one to my brother and get the latest and greatest
I fully understand and agree. I doubt very seriously that SAMSUNG will offer a free (or even reduced price) upgrade to the VR2 or 3. Once the Note 5 comes out - hopefully with a Developer Edition - I will likely buy its companion VR and sell this one. It's a great first effort, but with lots of flaws.
I am having a helluva time trying to find a 360 Grand Canyon helicopter tour, download it and put it where I can see it on the VR. If anyone here has found one and can list the steps, I would be grateful
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I'm confused. On a 5.1'" screen you will have to be significantly closer to the screen to achieve the same 96% FOV. This means the added pixel density from a smaller screen will be completely lost leaving us with the same SDE as the GVR. Just because the PPI is higher will have no benefit because of the need for closer proximity.
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Don't you try to bring reason into an argument about magic! The marketing peeps over at Samsung really have no concept of simple physics (or math).
EDIT: I think we'll have to wait for UHD screens in order to really get what one could define as a truly great VR experience; the S6 provides, just like the Note 4, 1 843 200 pixels per eye, while the DK2 provides only 1 036 800. The newly announced Vive VR from HTC/Valve only provides each eye with 1 296 000 pixels so that's no good either. An UHD panel (guessing 3840x2160 instead of 4096x2160) would provide each eye with over double the amount of pixels the Note 4/S6 does at a staggering 4 147 200 pixels per eye. Just to put that into perspective - that is more than the 3 686 400 pixels the whole screen of the Note 4 provides.
Toss3 said:
Don't you try to bring reason into an argument about magic! The marketing peeps over at Samsung really have no concept of simple physics (or math).
EDIT: I think we'll have to wait for UHD screens in order to really get what one could define as a truly great VR experience; the S6 provides, just like the Note 4, 1 843 200 pixels per eye, while the DK2 provides only 1 036 800. The newly announced Vive VR from HTC/Valve only provides each eye with 1 296 000 pixels so that's no good either. An UHD panel (guessing 3840x2160 instead of 4096x2160) would provide each eye with over double the amount of pixels the Note 4/S6 does at a staggering 4 147 200 pixels per eye. Just to put that into perspective - that is more than the 3 686 400 pixels the whole screen of the Note 4 provides.
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double the pixels ... my Note 4 already has performance issues with some stuff (notably 4K video) ... going to need to be a LOT faster to push all those pixels. Which will likely cause more overheating, etc etc. More pixels is just part of what we need for better VR.
Toss3 said:
Don't you try to bring reason into an argument about magic! The marketing peeps over at Samsung really have no concept of simple physics (or math).
EDIT: I think we'll have to wait for UHD screens in order to really get what one could define as a truly great VR experience; the S6 provides, just like the Note 4, 1 843 200 pixels per eye, while the DK2 provides only 1 036 800. The newly announced Vive VR from HTC/Valve only provides each eye with 1 296 000 pixels so that's no good either. An UHD panel (guessing 3840x2160 instead of 4096x2160) would provide each eye with over double the amount of pixels the Note 4/S6 does at a staggering 4 147 200 pixels per eye. Just to put that into perspective - that is more than the 3 686 400 pixels the whole screen of the Note 4 provides.
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I've got it! A dual phone headset! Buy one phone, get one free and use one phone for each eye. Imagine the FOV! They'd obviously need to change the lenses for this to work. This would be a headset monstrosity worthy of Lady Gaga.
Or how about this for full immersion. Screw the whole phone idea and just create a headset with wraparound blank screen and 3 tiny laser projectors inside using a stitching algorithm to create a seamless picture. Easiest way to achieve high pixel density without having to create a battery sucking massive curved heavy OLED screen. With some wizardly you could probably smooth the image out to completely remove SDE. Actually, because you are using projection, you could actually move the screen further from the subject which in itself would greatly reduce SDE.
axewater said:
double the pixels ... my Note 4 already has performance issues with some stuff (notably 4K video) ... going to need to be a LOT faster to push all those pixels. Which will likely cause more overheating, etc etc. More pixels is just part of what we need for better VR.
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Well better cooling and better GPU performance is also going to be needed, but the biggest problem right now is the SDE imho. You can do custom cooling and undervolting if you don't want the phone to overheat, and I'm guessing the 14nm 7420 in the S6 would definitely be enough for pushing 4K pixels (maybe we'll have something even better by that time).
The increase in resolution actually got me thinking: how much would it actually help in reducing the SDE (if you increased the resolution in both the horizontal and vertical axis by 50%)? See the results below.
This is representative of what we have now:
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This is what we would have after increasing the resolution by 50% in both the horizontal vertical axis:
This is the overlay (just to get an idea of how much the SDE would improve):
So to be completely honest I don't think even UHD is going to solve the problem - we'd need something along the lines of 8K displays to actually make the pixels small enough not to bother us anymore.
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I've got it! A dual phone headset! Buy one phone, get one free and use one phone for each eye. Imagine the FOV! They'd obviously need to change the lenses for this to work. This would be a headset monstrosity worthy of Lady Gaga.
Or how about this for full immersion. Screw the whole phone idea and just create a headset with wraparound blank screen and 3 tiny laser projectors inside using a stitching algorithm to create a seamless picture. Easiest way to achieve high pixel density without having to create a battery sucking massive curved heavy OLED screen. With some wizardly you could probably smooth the image out to completely remove SDE. Actually, because you are using projection, you could actually move the screen further from the subject which in itself would greatly reduce SDE.
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The problem with the projector-idea is that it doesn't provide the same immersion as an amoled or LCD screen does, and by that I mean that it doesn't provide the user with the experience of seeing say a huge 120" screen in front of them, instead it would look more like a small screen farther away (based on the reports on the Avegant Glyph).
EDIT: This got me thinking - how small would the pixels really need to be in order for them to become "invisible" to the eye (I mean how do we measure how big the pixels appear to the user right now)?
EDIT2: Found this interview with Palmer Luckey saying that we'd need about 8K pixels for each eye (and we all know that isn't going to happen in 10 years) in order for them to become completely invisible. So we need better lenses or just plain bigger screens (a VR headset with a 12" parabole-shaped flexible amoled display would be kind of cool and at 577ppi I'd say we'd be good to go already (we just don't have the hardware to drive such a thing yet)).
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The problem with the projector-idea is that it doesn't provide the same immersion as an amoled or LCD screen does, and by that I mean that it doesn't provide the user with the experience of seeing say a huge 120" screen in front of them, instead it would look more like a small screen farther away (based on the reports on the Avegant Glyph).
EDIT: This got me thinking - how small would the pixels really need to be in order for them to become "invisible" to the eye (I mean how do we measure how big the pixels appear to the user right now)?
EDIT2: Found this interview with Palmer Luckey saying that we'd need about 8K pixels for each eye (and we all know that isn't going to happen in 10 years) in order for them to become completely invisible. So we need better lenses or just plain bigger screens (a VR headset with a 12" parabole-shaped flexible amoled display would be kind of cool and at 577ppi I'd say we'd be good to go already (we just don't have the hardware to drive such a thing yet)).
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You misinterpret my projection idea. . I'm not talking about corneal projection as with the Glyph. . I'm talking about creating a mini home theater inside a wrap around bonnet which would use 3 tiny laser projectors to project a fully immersive image onto a screen probably 2 inches from your eyes. The 3 separate images would be stitched together using an algorithm which already exists for high end home theaters using triple projectors. By projecting a larger image further away a UHD picture would probably not be required to lose SDE completely. SDE isn't a screen issue, its a proximity issue.
This idea would achieve full immersion with less weight, heat, eye strain and SDE. The device would resemble a fighter helmet.
Has there been any info on if the new chipset is more efficient than the S8 Plus for battery? With a larger screen and s-pen I don't want to end up scrambling to find a charger by the afternoon.
I'd love to know this too! This is really my only concern with this phone.
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Has there been any info on if the new chipset is more efficient than the S8 Plus for battery? With a larger screen and s-pen I don't want to end up scrambling to find a charger by the afternoon.
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New chipset?
What are you talking about lol?
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From the reports I have read the Note 8's SOC will be slightly less than that of the SGS8+. If you study the specs there is no way around this. Apart from the price the slightly smaller battery could be the Achilles tendon of this mobile. Only time will tell.
When one looks at the schematics of the Note 8 there is no way Samsung could have done better. Its the space the S-pen takes up that causes the slightly smaller battery.
Having written the above I have been fighting for either larger batteries or new battery technology for years on all these high end Uber flagship mobiles. To some degree they all peeve me as they come with all the bells and whistles then add software and suggest we use said software to downgrade the performance to that of a middle of the range phone or have an SOC time of a few hours? The whole situation from all brands is rather absurd?
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From the reports I have read the Note 8's SOC will be slightly less than that of the SGS8+. If you study the specs there is no way around this. Apart from the price the slightly smaller battery could be the Achilles tendon of this mobile. Only time will tell.
When one looks at the schematics of the Note 8 there is no way Samsung could have done better. Its the space the S-pen takes up that causes the slightly smaller battery.
Having written the above I have been fighting for either larger batteries or new battery technology for years on all these high end Uber flagship mobiles. To some degree they all peeve me as they come with all the bells and whistles then add software and suggest we use said software to downgrade the performance to that of a middle of the range phone or have an SOC time of a few hours? The whole situation from all brands is rather absurd?
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Like how the sammy C9 pro has a 4000 mah battery and is a mid ranger....and costs like $450 lol.
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I love the battery life on the S8+ so if the Note 8 comes close then I am a happy camper. Though I expect to lose half an hour at least.
My previous was an s8+, and the note is close, or event better:
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This result from a very first day, captured from this video. It's not impress at all with me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cg70vOgSAs
6.5 hrs looks solid
How does it compare to S7 Edge?
I had S6+ and hated the battery on it. It was real bad.
Then I got S7 Edge and it can actually make it through work with about 20-30% battery left.
Not sure if anyone saw yet, but DJ Koh (Chief of Samsung Mobile) said in a statement in The Investor that the battery is smaller because of the new 10nm processor that is supposed to be 30% more power efficient...but who knows if that is the real case...we will have to wait and see.
Latest test of Note 8 battery life, news is good
I thought that the chipset in the Note 8 was the same as what was used in the S8+. With a smaller battery, how could it possibly have better battery life than the S8+?
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I thought that the chipset in the Note 8 was the same as what was used in the S8+. With a smaller battery, how could it possibly have better battery life than the S8+?
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It is the same lol. I dont know why people are saying otherwise
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I thought that the chipset in the Note 8 was the same as what was used in the S8+. With a smaller battery, how could it possibly have better battery life than the S8+?
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Speculation is greater RAM and better optimised OS give the Note8 an advantage
More ram uses slightly more power on the hardware size but can save it on the software side if apps are suspended in memory rather than being restarted from scratch. At this point there are quite a few reviews, hands-on, etc that show about 4 hours or a little better screen on time. These are people with new phones doing a lot of fiddling so I'd expect that goes up slightly once the new phone fiddle factor is out of the picture. This is enough for me although I'd of been happier with more.
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More ram uses slightly more power on the hardware size but can save it on the software side if apps are suspended in memory rather than being restarted from scratch. At this point there are quite a few reviews, hands-on, etc that show about 4 hours or a little better screen on time. These are people with new phones doing a lot of fiddling so I'd expect that goes up slightly once the new phone fiddle factor is out of the picture. This is enough for me although I'd of been happier with more.
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One YouTube reviewer is getting over 6 hours sot. My Nite FE is better than my original Note 7 so i think Samsung have made the OS more battery friendly.
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It is the same lol. I dont know why people are saying otherwise
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Lol hahaha.. Like you say its the same.. Its fact
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One YouTube reviewer is getting over 6 hours sot. My Nite FE is better than my original Note 7 so i think Samsung have made the OS more battery friendly.
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Then he goes on to show two more days both of which are 4 hours of actual use and then explains the 6 was with video looped to run down the battery...
Its absurd that the note series are 'power' devices yet they fit a smaller battery than the S8+!
Covering their arses or what?! This doesn't attract me, having Samsung skimp and play it uber safe for their own gratification. Other phones (including theirs) have larger capacities and are far cheaper. A bigger battery showing they have confidence in their products would not have been rocket science - and would have been what we, its 'power' users expect.
So what they made an error in the note 7 - the note 8 should have been the beast that it just isn't.
I already own a note 8 but the v30 is a very beautifull device. Even more than the note 8. Looks to be much more comfortable to use. Not sure about software since i never owned a lg phone. Would u even consider giving up ur note 8 for the lg v30.
I would not consider giving up my Note 8 for the V30. However it's a very subjective question. The V30 may be more suitable for those that want something a little smaller. I had the V20 a few months back and enjoyed that device.
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Only if the V30 comes with an S-pen.
For me, it's always 3 priorities... Screen, camera, battery.
I had a good play with the v30. Beautiful, but the screen in the Samsung is simply better IMHO. it just pops.
Camera.. I love the bokeh effect. Can't do that on the v30 (unless omeone gets the pixel 2 camera to work on it). And I have had nothing but excellent results on the note 8 so far. I do think the Mate 9 did bokeh best though.
Battery. Tough one. It's basically not good on the note. They never are.
Actually I can't wait to see the Mate 10. Much bigger battery, comparable screen and hopefully better night capability than mate 9.
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For me, it's always 3 priorities... Screen, camera, battery.
I had a good play with the v30. Beautiful, but the screen in the Samsung is simply better IMHO. it just pops.
Camera.. I love the bokeh effect. Can't do that on the v30 (unless omeone gets the pixel 2 camera to work on it). And I have had nothing but excellent results on the note 8 so far. I do think the Mate 9 did bokeh best though.
Battery. Tough one. It's basically not good on the note. They never are.
Actually I can't wait to see the Mate 10. Much bigger battery, comparable screen and hopefully better night capability than mate 9.
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Oh yes, one other thing. I think Samsung nailed their software this year. First time i have EVER stuck with TouchWiz. And the email and calendar apps are great. LG software still looks worse IMHO.
I had the V20 and it was nothing to write home about. LGs phones always have hype and then when you get one it's just ....ok. If you think the V30 looks better than the Note 8 you need to see a doctor. I have had the LG Gpro the G4 and the V20 I was disappointed in all of them. LG is not on par with Samsung at all. This is coming from experience. The V30 might compare to the S8+ but not the Note 8 stop smoking.
Speaking about the hardware, the V30 is generally more comfortable to use size and weight-wise. It has better battery life and DACs.
Is it a better phone than the Note 8 technologically speaking? No.
If I already owned a Note 8 would I move to V30 believing it to be the all around better phone? No.
I do think that the V30 is a great phone and wins in the particular categories mentioned above (ignoring the S Pen for comparison sake). If you want something smaller the V30 isn't a bad choice at all.
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Speaking about the hardware, the V30 is generally more comfortable to use size and weight-wise. It has better battery life and DACs.
Is it a better phone than the Note 8 technologically speaking? No.
If I already owned a Note 8 would I move to V30 believing it to be the all around better phone? No.
I do think that the V30 is a great phone and wins in the particular categories mentioned above (ignoring the S Pen for comparison sake). If you want something smaller the V30 isn't a bad choice at all.
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I might get it tomorrow on tuesday. I still have a week to.be able to return the note. I love the note hardware and smoothness but the size is to tall. Spen i dont use but i do love what samsung has done with touchwiz and the ecosystem. Will try both and see which one i keep.
This is the same thing people were saying about the V10 and the V20 and both were disappointing. What makes y'all think the V30 is going to be any different. My V20s battery life sucked! I was lucky to get 3 hrs of OST.
Im not the type of person who needs to buy every new toy I see, so no.
I'll have my note 8 probably until the note 10, longer than that if the note 8 is still performing and nothing else impresses me.
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This is the same thing people were saying about the V10 and the V20 and both were disappointing. What makes y'all think the V30 is going to be any different. My V20s battery life sucked! I was lucky to get 3 hrs of OST.
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People are getting 6-7+ SOT battery. It does have better battery than the note 8. Our note 8 is better but v30 is an awesome phoelne from What i read and the minute i got to olay around with it.
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People are getting 6-7+ SOT battery. It does have better battery than the note 8. Our note 8 is better but v30 is an awesome phoelne from What i read and the minute i got to olay around with it.
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I get that with the Note8 everyday.
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Also the V30 has that same design like the S8+ with them wide corners. I am not a fan of that look.
The Note 8 is exactly what it says in the title. The main point of the Note is the S-pen with upgraded RAM. I see the Note 8 as more akin to a micro pocket PC with the S-pen as the mouse. :good:
The LG V30 is geared toward the video taker and music enthusiast. :good:
Trying to compare apples and oranges again ad nauseam.
By definition the 'standard' S8 is the direct comparison to the LG V 30 IF one insists on comparing.
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I already own a note 8 but the v30 is a very beautifull device. Even more than the note 8. Looks to be much more comfortable to use. Not sure about software since i never owned a lg phone. Would u even consider giving up ur note 8 for the lg v30.
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Does the V30 have a wider screen?
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Im not the type of person who needs to buy every new toy I see, so no.
I'll have my note 8 probably until the note 10, longer than that if the note 8 is still performing and nothing else impresses me.
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That's what I think this partly is (No disrespect to the OP). And while the V30 is a flagship phone that is more manageable in hand, I don't think it should be a direct comparison as others have mentioned (even taking away the S Pen). Still, the note 8 is the benchmark for all android phones to be compared to, whether they deserve it or not. That speaks to the high quality and regard the Note 8 is held.
Unless a person found the Note 8 too unwieldy, I don't see why you would move to the V30.
Why not get both and dual wield? If the op thinks note 8 is too long, then the op will love the v30 feel in hand. I find both camera useful . maybe next year we ll get wide angle and zoom? I have a love towards big and powerful phone, so I'll never give up the note 8. Samsung, had to pry the note 7 from me . Lg finally caught up to Samsung build quality with the v30. The v30 is what the g6 should have been and directly compete with the s8-s8+. V30 ahould have 6gb ram, 128gb memory, 6.2 screen to really compete with the note 8.
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There seems to be a lot of hype from tech sites and bloggers about the V30. But I strongly believe it's all about bashing Samsung. There's a human trait to want to knock down a peg or two, any person (or in this case, company) that appears to be popular.
Along comes LG (with let's face it, a decent phone that ticks many boxes), so an ideal opportunity to give it hefty praise when pitting it against a rival like the Note 8. The anti-Samsung lobby seize the opportunity to troll the comments sections on reviews and YouTube channels.
But ultimately I believe the Note 8 has the better overall specs and the screen... is pure perfection.
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Also the V30 has that same design like the S8+ with them wide corners. I am not a fan of that look.
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Sure u do lol. U might get ALMOST 6 or 6hrs. Using a few battery saving tweaks like "location on battery saving mode" ur previous posted and battery SOT screenshot dont lie. But hey. Note 8 does have great battery. Lg v30 seems to beat it out in all battery test. Not really enough to make a huge different
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That's what I think this partly is (No disrespect to the OP). And while the V30 is a flagship phone that is more manageable in hand, I don't think it should be a direct comparison as others have mentioned (even taking away the S Pen). Still, the note 8 is the benchmark for all android phones to be compared to, whether they deserve it or not. That speaks to the high quality and regard the Note 8 is held.
Unless a person found the Note 8 too unwieldy, I don't see why you would move to the V30.
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Like i said before. Im looking for a long term phone not the new shinny phone that is release. Reason for the question is that i own the note 8 but still on 8 days to be able to return and get the v30. The note 8 is better. But v30 have alot going on, better design more comfortable smaller design. Non curve screen. Face to unlock with screen off. Hifi dac, etc. Much cheaper. To me wide angle and hifi dac are more usefull than s pen and telefoto. Again. Personal opinion base on my everyday use
First LG V30 needs to be available worldwide then I can at least consider it. Happy Note 8 customer here
The only consideration for a V30 vs. N8 that I have entertained as a T-Mobile customer is the 600MHz support the V30 offers. But then again the deployment in that spectrum won't be completed until 2019. As others have posted, they had to pry the N7 from my hands twice last year. And only then I had to go the V20 route. While I enjoyed using it for the most part, there were weird slowdowns, glitches, screen banding, especially towards the end of a year's usage. From all online reviews I see so far, the V30 UI is similar to the V20's, which does not feel spectacular compared to the N8. There's more refinement and forward thinking in Samsung's offering, and the little details are appreciated in long term use. Yes, the V30s DAC and wide angle camera are perhaps the only overall higher points of that phone. But when I had the V20, that offered those similar enhancements, I rarely if ever used them.
There's a few good videos stating that the V30s screen though better that anything else LG has used to date, still has weird banding, or not bright enough (600 Nits vs. 1000).
At the end of the day, you're staring at the screen all the time, and all these phones are all screen now.
The N8 has the best screen in 2017, bar none (iPhone X and pixel 2XLs included).
You may want to hold on to your supersized screen monster...
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Based on some fairly reliable sources we're getting a clearer picture of changes planned for the S22 Ultra. It's morphing into a Note like offering with a dedicated S-Pen slot and a more squared body. Samsung won't be releasing a Note 21 and why should they? Display and battery size are reduced, cameras have some minor upgrades and possibly vapor cooling. The other noticeable difference is the Exynos SoC which will pair with AMD for superior graphics processing even though benchmarks are comparable to the Snapdragon 888. It's still a wait and see since the rollout is anticipated in January or February 2022 but if these projections prove accurate I'll pass on S22. Not a fan of S-Pen or the boxed styling and beyond these there isn't enough game changing innovation to consider making a change.
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That display looks horrible... bad artist or bad Samsung?
Meh just bought a second new N10+ running Q.
It's color rendering exceeds some of the newer displays and is a proven workhorse that's fun to use.
Android R and above are rotten Apples
Samsung's track record since the 10+ has been subpar. I'll likely wait 2 or more years before switching platforms.
I don't have the patience for Android's and Samsung's bs. Too late, too slow and the wrong moves, you lose.
Meanwhile I'm quit happy with my little 10+ family. Lol, I'm still exploring them. My oldest 10+ is 2 years old, has had 1 replacement battery, looks and runs like it's new. It's OS load is almost 1.5 years old, still running fast and stable with minimal maintenance.
I don't use the spen a lot but it nests away painlessly when not in use. The bt remote shutter release and Smart Select are excellent when you need them.
So yeah, I like the spen.
There are still a few new unlocked Note 10+'s 256gb/12gb ram Snapdragon/Q variants out there. Grab one up if you want one... they be sweet.
No upgrade for me, the S21 Ultra is very similar to my S20 Ultra, not worth the upgrade IMHO. That rendering looks hideous, and the specs being mentioned so far are not worth an upgrade.
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That display looks horrible... bad artist or bad Samsung?
Meh just bought a second new N10+ running Q.
It's color rendering exceeds some of the newer displays and is a proven workhorse that's fun to use.
Android R and above are rotten Apples
Samsung's track record since the 10+ has been subpar. I'll likely wait 2 or more years before switching platforms.
I don't have the patience for Android's and Samsung's bs. Too late, too slow and the wrong moves, you lose.
Meanwhile I'm quit happy with my little 10+ family. Lol, I'm still exploring them. My oldest 10+ is 2 years old, has had 1 replacement battery, looks and runs like it's new. It's OS load is almost 1.5 years old, still running fast and stable with minimal maintenance.
I don't use the spen a lot but it nests away painlessly when not in use. The bt remote shutter release and Smart Select are excellent when you need them.
So yeah, I like the spen.
There are still a few new unlocked Note 10+'s 256gb/12gb ram Snapdragon/Q variants out there. Grab one up if you want one... they be sweet.
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You had to replace the battery after 2 years? What happened, did you use it to jump start your car?
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You had to replace the battery after 2 years? What happened, did you use it to jump start your car?
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1.5 years This phone gets heavy usage. Next one may replaced sooner to avoid another failure. I was lucky the display wasn't damaged.
Battery replacement is fairly easy.
Otherwise nothing failed or broke. Display looks as good as the new one and both are perfect.
No complaints on the 10+.
Not this time. I don't think phones are making that big a leap now with regards to upgrading. I did from the s20+ to the s21 ultra and to be honest whilst the ultras great I really don't need better
Battery reduced?
But not to worry we've given you a faster charger.
blackhawk said:
That display looks horrible... bad artist or bad Samsung?
Meh just bought a second new N10+ running Q.
It's color rendering exceeds some of the newer displays and is a proven workhorse that's fun to use.
Android R and above are rotten Apples
Samsung's track record since the 10+ has been subpar. I'll likely wait 2 or more years before switching platforms.
I don't have the patience for Android's and Samsung's bs. Too late, too slow and the wrong moves, you lose.
Meanwhile I'm quit happy with my little 10+ family. Lol, I'm still exploring them. My oldest 10+ is 2 years old, has had 1 replacement battery, looks and runs like it's new. It's OS load is almost 1.5 years old, still running fast and stable with minimal maintenance.
I don't use the spen a lot but it nests away painlessly when not in use. The bt remote shutter release and Smart Select are excellent when you need them.
So yeah, I like the spen.
There are still a few new unlocked Note 10+'s 256gb/12gb ram Snapdragon/Q variants out there. Grab one up if you want one... they be sweet.
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Yeah I'm already dual OS device . Meaning use Android and iOS .
I get a free upgrade each year so why not get a new battery (and phone)
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Based on some fairly reliable sources we're getting a clearer picture of changes planned for the S22 Ultra. It's morphing into a Note like offering with a dedicated S-Pen slot and a more squared body. Samsung won't be releasing a Note 21 and why should they? Display and battery size are reduced, cameras have some minor upgrades and possibly vapor cooling. The other noticeable difference is the Exynos SoC which will pair with AMD for superior graphics processing even though benchmarks are comparable to the Snapdragon 888. It's still a wait and see since the rollout is anticipated in January or February 2022 but if these projections prove accurate I'll pass on S22. Not a fan of S-Pen or the boxed styling and beyond these there isn't enough game changing innovation to consider making a change.
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Update - Charging speed for all models stays at 25W. Here's my take, unless you trade-in your device or accept a long term contract with a service provider you'll drop a significant bundle of $$$ to "upgrade" for a device which in many aspects isn't any better than the S21. I will definitely pass on the S22 and if Samsung doesn't get it's act together I'll downgrade to a much better value in the A72 or S22 FE. So you'll lose a more powerful chipset and some camera options but for about half the price you'll get most of the bells and whistles plus the MicroSD and 3.5 Jack. I really question the VALUE aspect in not only the S22 but the Fold 3 as well, it just doesn't stack up.
I'm on the otherside with the S-pen, I was on the fence going from the S20u to S21u, and after doing a camera review for youtube, I was debating returning it because it's essentially the identical phone with the reduction of microSD, but the though of using an S-pen gets rid of many note books I have laying around.
Now, to date, I still haven't purchased the S-pen because I got the silver phone and the only case they offered with the S-pen was black and covers the entire camera area, which defeats the purpose of getting the silver phone when the entire thing ends up being black anyway.
They now have aftermarket S-pen cases and one of which is clear so I can still visibly see the silver phone. It's been in my Amazon cart for awhile now but the renders of this S22 with the S-pen integrated are stopping me from hitting the checkout button when I could just wait it out and it's included with the phone lol
I was just going to buy the S-pen Pro but after seeing the price tag on that thing, I'll stick to a hoard of notebooks and pens. I take a lot of notes, and I'm going to assume that over the last 10 years, I haven't spent as much on notebooks and pens as the price of that stupid S-pen Pro.. it's.. literally insane lol
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Based on some fairly reliable sources we're getting a clearer picture of changes planned for the S22 Ultra. It's morphing into a Note like offering with a dedicated S-Pen slot and a more squared body. Samsung won't be releasing a Note 21 and why should they? Display and battery size are reduced, cameras have some minor upgrades and possibly vapor cooling. The other noticeable difference is the Exynos SoC which will pair with AMD for superior graphics processing even though benchmarks are comparable to the Snapdragon 888. It's still a wait and see since the rollout is anticipated in January or February 2022 but if these projections prove accurate I'll pass on S22. Not a fan of S-Pen or the boxed styling and beyond these there isn't enough game changing innovation to consider making a change.
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Im Not sure if there are enough reasona to upgrade. But i love the boxy note Design... Had the note 20 ultra and it was beautyful, shame that Samsung had the ****ty exynos... I returned it. But i think battery will be smaller than s21 ultra...
I'll be upgrading to a different device. And I can't wait! My S21U has been quite a let down as it has always had some odd issues that seem to be software based... But since those issues also occur after a full device wipe and Android reinstallation, I'm starting to assume that there were a bunch of manufacturing issues with this phone... And with the Samsung devices I have bought in the past, I've always gotten unlucky. Goodbye, folks
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I'm on the otherside with the S-pen, I was on the fence going from the S20u to S21u, and after doing a camera review for youtube, I was debating returning it because it's essentially the identical phone with the reduction of microSD, but the though of using an S-pen gets rid of many note books I have laying around.
Now, to date, I still haven't purchased the S-pen because I got the silver phone and the only case they offered with the S-pen was black and covers the entire camera area, which defeats the purpose of getting the silver phone when the entire thing ends up being black anyway.
They now have aftermarket S-pen cases and one of which is clear so I can still visibly see the silver phone. It's been in my Amazon cart for awhile now but the renders of this S22 with the S-pen integrated are stopping me from hitting the checkout button when I could just wait it out and it's included with the phone lol
I was just going to buy the S-pen Pro but after seeing the price tag on that thing, I'll stick to a hoard of notebooks and pens. I take a lot of notes, and I'm going to assume that over the last 10 years, I haven't spent as much on notebooks and pens as the price of that stupid S-pen Pro.. it's.. literally insane lol
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I saw that, the spen pro.
Samsung at their half baked finest
Meh, the N10+ blows it away with a completely self contained, fully functional spen.
I bought my 2nd new N10+ 2 weeks ago. No regrets... these buggers look gorgeous and run great. Running on P and Q; there will be no downgrade to R for me.
I use the spen mostly as a remote shutter release and for Smart Capture. Otherwise it hides safely out of sight.
Both Android and Samsung have lost their way... really badly, but like a drunk lost in the desert they have high hopes.
Goku1992 said:
Im Not sure if there are enough reasona to upgrade. But i love the boxy note Design... Had the note 20 ultra and it was beautyful, shame that Samsung had the ****ty exynos... I returned it. But i think battery will be smaller than s21 ultra...
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The N10+/256/12gb,Pie or Q/Snapdragon rocks. If you don't care about rooting box sealed new ones are still available for $800. Got my 2nd one 2 weeks ago, pristine perfect. Runs great maybe even better than my Pie variant.
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The N10+/256/12gb,Pie or Q/Snapdragon rocks. If you don't care about rooting box sealed new ones are still available for $800. Got my 2nd one 2 weeks ago, pristine perfect. Runs great maybe even better than my Pie variant.
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I was also looking forward to note 10+ / note 20 ultra snapdragon but in germany we can only import it and then no warranty :/
Goku1992 said:
I was also looking forward to note 10+ / note 20 ultra snapdragon but in germany we can only import it and then no warranty :/
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New ones are very hard to find now even stateside.
A lot of scams going on now too; be careful.
As for warranty I wouldn't be too concerned as the 10+'s tend to be very reliable with an excellent build, they are rocks. Just test the hell out of it including a ScreenTest. It should do fine.
PM if you want that stateside dealer. It's the US unlocked variant running on Q. Unless you want to root it's the more desirable variant; all the Snapdragon variants use the vapor/copper heat sink, none have the graphene one.
blackhawk said:
New ones are very hard to find now even stateside.
A lot of scams going on now too; be careful.
As for warranty I wouldn't be too concerned as the 10+'s tend to be very reliable with an excellent build, they are rocks. Just test the hell out of it including a ScreenTest. It should do fine.
PM if you want that stateside dealer. It's the US unlocked variant running on Q. Unless you want to root it's the more desirable variant; all the Snapdragon variants use the vapor/copper heat sink, none have the graphene one.
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Could i buy them in Germany?
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Could i buy them in Germany?
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Talk to the vendor, they ship FedEx stateside for free. Not sure about customs etc for offshore.
Make sure it's compatible with your carrier.
I have AT&T, put the sim card in and it was good to go. Sent you a link via PM.
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Talk to the vendor, they ship FedEx stateside for free. Not sure about customs etc for offshore.
Make sure it's compatible with your carrier.
I have AT&T, put the sim card in and it was good to go. Sent you a link via PM.
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Thanks mate but i have the s21 ultra and doesnt need a phone. But when it changes i a few months i will try