Why do we have to endure weeks of waiting for the release of a new Samsung device when it has been announced? All those people at the unpacked event waving the Note 4 and Edge around on stage or within the experience stands make me jealous but also make me angry.
I never see why the phones/devices cannot be on the shelves within a week of an announcement for contract free purchases. I understand there might be negotiations with carriers but why stop those with the cash in their hands?
I also would love to know who decides on which country gets a certain device and when.
Samsung is particularly bad at this. They drag their heels with pricing, release dates and availability. Surely this can be all in place prior to their events.
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Apple does very well
I know. How long does it take to mole the circuit board, etc?
Its potential for cash cow. People say Oct 5th for T-mobile. Thats 4 weeks too long.
This is one thing Apple actually does very well. Release date generally follows announcement by less than 2 weeks. Pre-orders start just a few days after the announcement.
It is very annoying. I wish they'd just wait to announce until they're closer to release. Who cares if it leaks during production? Samsung isn't as bad as LG tho, they are terrible.
This article is another reason why the wait is irritating. http://www.gsmarena.com/nvidia_files_a_patent_lawsuit_against_samsung_and_qualcomm-news-9564.php
Samsung is terrible at this. Apple has almost always released within earshot knowing the hypetrain is still there. By the time Note 4 arrives iPhone6 will be on shelves. Noone outside the geekworld is hyped about a Note 4. Even casuals know a new and bigger iPhone are coming. After the S5 dissaponting sales you'd think Samsung would pull out all stops.
Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
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preorders are already open on the sprint website and have been for a couple days http://www.sprint.com/landings/samsung_note4/index.html?ECID=vanity:galaxynote4
blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.
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for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Well I already stated that I understood why there was a delay for carrier testing but I am talking about those who wish to buy outright. And if Apple and HTC can get their stock out shortly after announcements then why can't Samsung? Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
The devices shown at the launch were not prototypes, the production process has already begun and could have been stepped up prior to the launch.
Also, it still does not answer the question on pricing, release dates and country availability (for carrier free devices) these things need to be finalised before launch or very shortly after. In my opinion it's all just a tactic to build up some sort of hype
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Preorder is not the same thing. I only see registration for email alert. Same as T-mobile.
I find it strange that Cellphone carriers do not even concentrate in advertizing for the release of the Note 4.
This is why its nice not having carriers mess and install a bunch of bloat. I don't think carriers mess around with iPhones and install their software on it, so less time wasted on things you don't need or care about. Just get the product out and sell it.
Anyways, just poor planning really, a month is a long time in the tech world and consumer electronic hype wears off fairly fast when something else new and shiny comes out in between then.
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Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
Thats why i am getting the Iphone 6 over the Note 4, it'll be available sooner and i need a high end phone bad. Good thing is ill be able to sell the iphone 6 at a great price and pick up the note 4 when its out.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
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There is no answer other than that is how samsung chooses to do it.
Could they hold the announcement closer to the physical release? Yes, of course they could. They just prefer to do it this way, for whatever marketing reason.
If the marketing people thought it was strategic to announce closer to physical release, they would. But clearly they don't.
If Samsung "should" copy something apple does, its their method of announcing and SHIPPING a product very quickly post launch. That is their only major issue. Why allow other OEM's to get product out the door and lose sales and yes they do lose sales and now that apple is going big and bigger on their phones next week with a launch before the Note 4 hits stores that is a big deal and some would be Note 4 buyers will get a 5.5" iphone instead, (dumb move, but it's their choice).
I fully agree with the OP and carriers are very likely the issue. Negotiations would likely have been done already, in the US anyways its likely more about last minute bloatware and who has a "bigger" tower than anything else.
I blame Verizon, for everything lol.
Apple has more control over the carriers.
Apple has more control over the carriers and the supply chain, that is why their rollouts are quicker.
iPhone 6 on the 19th
I thought this thread would be exploding with comments about how Apple can do it in less than 2 weeks.
Anything over 30 days is crazy. The battery life on my Note 2 fading away, I've been eligible for an upgrade for months.
Now that I know the specifics of the Note 4 it has given my a chance to look at other phones S5, G3, M8 or wait for Nexus X.
The longer I wait the less likely that I'll make an 'impulse buy' I'm still excited about the Note 4 but I'm weighting the cost vs features.
What's up with the pre order pages on Samsung.com and Sprint.com? Did I actually pretty order or was it just an email notification? I didn't even receive an email confirmation.
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I mean, I am not iFan or anything, but all around the world where Nexus 4 was available for purchase was sold out in a blink of an eye.
Is this successful for Google or bad? What do you guys think.
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No they just have less units available at launch
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
hopefully this was just to test the waters to make sure there is a demand before they make more since they are selling these at a loss. hopefully they restore stock before the holidays.
lol, nothing against any other country, just be easier on everyone to not have a bad experience this way. But I must say, this is by far the most popular Nexus Cellphone, LG and Google got this one for sure. I'm happy thou, because it will only get better from here.
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Speculation but the only reasonable logic. Given how slow and how many errors there were, Google is not ready to sell iPhone numbers. I do not believe that much stock was emptied. In either case, hopefully they provide some numbers for us. If they don't, well then I think we can just assume the PR stunt.
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Lets wait and watch, I would love to read about this launch and see what everyone is thinking about this. Can't call this a satisfying launch at all but a successful launch from Google's point of view I would say.
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Yeah it seems to be a ****ty marketing stunt, might of had a negative impact actually because they've pissed a lot of people off
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Sp does nokia claim for their latest lumia lol but they only put on sale some thousands and not some millions so depends on the stock quantity
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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i guess they did it on reason, everytime apple releases iphone they make huge buzz around the world sold out sold out huge line outside of the store.. AS GOOGLE CANT HAVE HUGE LINE OUTSIDA STORE THEY TRICKED US WITH LESS STOCK AND MAKING SOLD OUT BUZZ. SHUT UP GOOGLE U MORON U LEFT LOADS OF UNHAPPY LOYAL SLEEPLESS CUSTOMERS WHO WERE EAGERLY WAITING ON THE DEVICE.
i doubt they had 500 devices for uk market
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
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lol, they effectively did, started in Australia and worked westward to the US.
I find it believable, since they are not pulling off the same sold out stunt with the Nexus 10. It is probably due to the price. All they have to get out there is superior to the GS3 and for $349 unlocked with no contract and whoever that needs a new phone would be crazy not to buy it.
That said, there are not enough geeks to sustain these numbers like the iphone 5 can sustain the numbers. However, 2 million or more geeks all ordering at 9am pst is definitely plausible. But once that 2 million gets theirs then we will see how much staying power the Nexus 4 generates.
This is without a doubt a marketing technique. Watch all the tech articles tomorrow "Google sells out Nexus 4 in .03 microseconds!"
And you'll get ignorant posters with comments like "OMGWTFBBQ Apple took 2 days to sell out! I love Google tehe LMAO OMFG"
even if Google only had 3 phones to sell, and Apple had 3 million
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Exactly, totally a marketing stunt. They want the headlines that the Nexus 4 sold out, that its a hot commodity. That will create more interest, higher demand, and magically in a few days a whole butt-load of units will show up in the play store. It'll be interesting to see if they actually release number of units sold today.
They sold out because they only had like 10 devices available in each region, except the US, where they had like 15 units available...
Yes, I'm bitter.
I'm actually more curious the volume of sales for the first day of release, and if Google will release those numbers.
I gt one for myself!! But ya google sucked!! I feel sorry for you all!! They must have stocked arnd one lakh/0.1 million units in each country!! Thats really bad!! Apple had really done a good job
Am I the only one here thinking that it was part of google's plan to make it look like they sold a bunch of N4s in order to get the media's attention by bragging about how many they sold? Just Google: "nexus 4 sold out". You will find many websites reporting that nexus 4 are selling like hot cakes/or are sold out. I'm going to have to look at the next news paper, I bet we will see it in the headlines. This is wonderful news for Google. Great advertisement.
More over I would like to know what you guys think of this. Don't you think that such a rich company like Google would have for seen this?
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
Chances are they have a lot on stock but want to sell only a certain amount for the time being.
Now what would concern me is, if it actually is the truth that they ran out of supply. I mean, LG? There are few people who have faith in LG, their android update policy is enough to associate that company with incompetence.
Even with the nexus phone being an LG, they already managed to leave a bad impression in countries with no play store by announcing a price which could be nearly up to double the price of the nexus 4 in the play store.
What if LG is not able to keep up with demand? What is your say? What do you think is going on?
I visited a site that mentioned that Google has done this before, in order to see how high the demand is and to fulfill the needs a few days/weeks/month later. Was not following the galaxy nexus sale , anyone that experienced this here?
Hope this thread doesn't get closed, I could imagine some interesting discussion going on
no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
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no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
Naw, I mean, there really weren't any commercials over it or anything. Google has the money to spend on advertising for it, but they honestly didn't. I feel they just weren't too sure on when to do it themselves and that we were probably making more out of it than needed to be.
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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
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google's site never lags
it lagged today.
It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
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It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
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The Illuminati. Yes! They are watching us!
@above: hmmm. I prefer Lg is incompetent
I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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.... Or maybe not. That's quite the stretch.
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Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
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It is Google's policy not to release sales figures. So it indicates absolutely nothing. Asus released some Nexus 7 sales figures last month and apparently Google was not too happy.
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
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very true... i had an N4 in my cart 8 times today (EIGHT freakin times) and each and every time i tried to proceed, i got that craptastic yellow banner telling me that something happened on the back end. their servers were absolutely hammered.
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This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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I'm happy with the low price and even if I have to wait a year to get a nexus 4 I'm so happy Google set new standards. I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care. But I'm glad they set new standards for great hardware all others phone manufacturers must now adjust
I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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man, i feel you. i sold my gnex and my backup (g2x) device in anticipation of the nexus 4. I'm old and tired. So, i'm just going to go to my tmobile store and pick up a note 2. I got one for my wife last week and she has been completely satisfied with it. I'll re-evaluate the state of android in a couple months, whereby I might sell the note 2 to finally get the nexus 4. we'll see.
If you believe that its all a conspiracy, put your aluminum foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.
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This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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Finally someone who understand economics.
Put gas half price today. Guess what will happen. Even if gas stations prepared. EVERYONE will gas and you can't prepare for that. Supply is driven by how valuable it is to sell. Demand is determined by how much value you get. They released a 600$ phone at 300$. Take off your tinfoil hats and go to school.
There is no conspiracy. We are talking about about a relatively small cell phone player in LG and a device with a small profit margin. Considering that both these companies are banking on the same profit model, ie, google wants large volume sales for ads and LG wants large volume to compensate for smaller net profits per phone. With the next big phone literally always around the corner, to delay sales in any way is very bad for both companies.
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I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care.
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Then it is too cheap If people are willing to pay $400 or $450, and they sell it for $350, that's too cheap. That's why demand is (and should be!) so high.
I don't think they did this intentionally, they have a great device at a great price and it sold out.
Dear all
I know that what you are going through is unacceptable and we are all working through the nights and weekends to resolve this issue. Supplies from the manufacturer are scarce and erratic, and our communication has been flawed. I can offer an unreserved apology for our service and communication failures in this process.
For those that originally received a 3-5 days shipping estimate, your orders are now in process for fulfillment. You can expect an email notification early this week which will include tracking information. Although you will be initially charged in full, you will receive a credit for the shipping charge soon after.
For others that received pre-Christmas shipping estimates, we anticipate processing your orders for fulfillment this week.
I realise that the people who ordered the Nexus 4 so early are among our most committed and loyal users and we are doing all we can to put things right.
Sorry again.
Dan
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Head of Google UK (Dan Cobley) finally offers some insight and an apology on this mess of a launch.
I apologize if this has already been posted, I couldn't find anything.
Full Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/17/nexus-4-delays-apology-blame
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Head of Google UK (Dan Cobley) finally offers some insight and an apology on this mess of a launch.
I apologize if this has already been posted, I couldn't find anything.
Full Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/17/nexus-4-delays-apology-blame
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
If you want to look at a product launch that REALLY failed, you only have to look at the Xbox360, 60% failure rate after 3 years on the market..... Thats a REAL botched product launch...
www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2012
And the background behind the problems...
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/x...istory-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
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granted, some people are drama queens, but there are many people who still haven't received their order from Nov 13, and don't forget all the backordered folks from the initial release. Still there's some 1-2 weekers who have not received shipping emails. There's also the issue of ppl not receiving their devices in proportion to their order time. Furthermore, he's also apologizing about their lack of communication, which was another issue.
Also, providing an example of a greater failure doesn't justify this one haha.
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
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Google originally quoted 3-5 day shipping to those of us who ordered on Nov 13. Then we got a backorder email the next day that changed the estimate to 3 weeks. I got my phone yesterday. That's right, a day shy of 5 weeks. Some Nov 13 orders have yet to be filled. They have NOT been filling the orders in the order that they were made, nor have they kept up with demand. This has been a shameful fiasco. Why do you think the shippong and orders thread has almost 40,000 posts?
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WHAT???!!! AN APOLOGY FOR LATE SHIPPING???!!! WHO CARES! FK HIM AND HIS APOLOGY!!!!
Where's an apology for USB/OTG and all the hardware issues??? Who needs an apology, recall this phone and start over again. They need to be hit where it hurts, in the wallet. Apologies don't hurt them financially. Fk that.
A lot of people got backordered, and even at this moment, the phone is completely sold out. There aren't really people being drama queens factoring in that the Google website is pretty much the only place to get the phone (unless you want to pay 200 dollars more), and when other products are sold out, there are lots of other places that might be supplied. LG came in with a really small supply of Nexus 4's, and it's hurt us in the end. Then again, I think the problem is also that, even now, I don't think they're that incredibly concerned since they're not looking to profit off the phone majorly as they are just trying to introduce the phone into the market as a stepping stone for other companies. If they don't sell some large number like 2 million phones, they are more than happy and I don't think that's what their intentions were in the first place. Unfortunately, this ends up hurting a lot of people who actually want the phone, or who have it and want accessories and such.
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A lot of people got backordered, and even at this moment, the phone is completely sold out. There aren't really people being drama queens factoring in that the Google website is pretty much the only place to get the phone (unless you want to pay 200 dollars more), and when other products are sold out, there are lots of other places that might be supplied. LG came in with a really small supply of Nexus 4's, and it's hurt us in the end. Then again, I think the problem is also that, even now, I don't think they're that incredibly concerned since they're not looking to profit off the phone majorly as they are just trying to introduce the phone into the market as a stepping stone for other companies. If they don't sell some large number like 2 million phones, they are more than happy and I don't think that's what their intentions were in the first place. Unfortunately, this ends up hurting a lot of people who actually want the phone, or who have it and want accessories and such.
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I wonder if/when google will bring the nexus line to motorola if we'll see an actual big player rise in the smartphone world. I imagine if google put in an actual real solitary effort into the nexus line (instead of these half assed cooperative efforts) and advertised its product well, we would see a legitimate competitor in the smartphone market. There is some money to be made with the rise of android in the past year. I hope google will consider augmenting its objectives for the nexus line in the near future.
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
If you want to look at a product launch that REALLY failed, you only have to look at the Xbox360, 60% failure rate after 3 years on the market..... Thats a REAL botched product launch...
www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2012
And the background behind the problems...
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/x...istory-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
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What mess? Lol too funny
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Google originally quoted 3-5 day shipping to those of us who ordered on Nov 13. Then we got a backorder email the next day that changed the estimate to 3 weeks. I got my phone yesterday. That's right, a day shy of 5 weeks. Some Nov 13 orders have yet to be filled. They have NOT been filling the orders in the order that they were made, nor have they kept up with demand. This has been a shameful fiasco. Why do you think the shippong and orders thread has almost 40,000 posts?
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Because people like posting =)
Not to mention people ordering later than others but still get their phones shipped sooner...
The only mistake Google made with this phone was selling it so cheap so millions of people wanted to buy it instead of getting it.on contract like normal phone.
The only mistake???
Pfft.
Old news ...we have enough news Google screwed up in every aspect of selling the N4, from the launch time announcement to the ordering to the shipping to the communication to the rma's.
you name and it they screwed up big time everywhere they were involved in.
I find it hard to believe how cynical everyone is. I had a few issues as well with Google, but I called and talked through it all. I know some of the customer service representatives are a little clueless, but those who have't got their device yet, probably could have done something about it. Also, Google is new to this game, you can't expect everything to be perfect their first try.
And yes I know they've sold devices before, I have purchased almost all of them, but I don't believe they have ever had such a high demand.
Just relax and enjoy the holidays.
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Old news ...we have enough news Google screwed up in every aspect of selling the N4, from the launch time announcement to the ordering to the shipping to the communication to the rma's.
you name and it they screwed up big time everywhere they were involved in.
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Ermmm... what's with that announcement? Did not correctly estimate sandy schedule?
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The only mistake Google made with this phone was selling it so cheap so millions of people wanted to buy it instead of getting it.on contract like normal phone.
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Yes, because it would have been sooo much better if they sold it for £500+, just like the iPaidTooMuchForThisPhone.
When you stay awake to be first to order a phone that takes 2 weeks more than it should and there is still no bumper for sale, that is failure. If i wanted to pre order i would have in September.
I do not see LG getting another Nexus after this.
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When you stay awake to be first to order a phone that takes 2 weeks more than it should and there is still no bumper for sale, that is failure. If i wanted to pre order i would have in September.
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The preorders would run out as fast as orders, so you still won't be happy. Preorders don't magically speed up production.
No company on this earth has an infinite supply chain flexibility. Or they are grossly mismanaged. I don't see how it is a failure.
I do not see LG getting another Nexus after this.
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Dunno, I suppose LG probably won't even bid for another nexus. And the next OEM will be Compal, ZTE, Huawei or something.
Or even Motorola, like "dear OEMs, if you don't elect supplying us with a new platform, Motorola will. This is not a threat, we repeat, this is not a threat!"
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Yes, because it would have been sooo much better if they sold it for £500+, just like the iPaidTooMuchForThisPhone.
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There woudn't be any supply problems, sleepless nights and anxiety So el goog wouldn't fail and everyone would be happy
I'm not complaining because all the bugs in the initial release could be potentially sorted out when Google makes new devices. Just waiting past what your promised is not enjoyable especially when you get a definite ETA.
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I'm not complaining because all the bugs in the initial release could be potentially sorted out when Google makes new devices. Just waiting past what your promised is not enjoyable especially when you get a definite ETA.
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What bugs are these that require new devices?
Now that the Nexus 5 hype has partly died down and you've all secured one, who else is disappointed Google didn't hold a press event event for the launch? Hell, I'm surprised Google didn't even have an event for KitKat. It seems like such a missed opportunity. A pre-announced event has many benefits.
1. It confirms an incoming device and helps people plan for the purchase instead of buying it within a moments notice.
2. For the geeks amongst us, this event is more than just an announcement, it's an exciting show that we can all get behind and discuss, before, during and after it has happened. The hype would be momentous.
3. Whether we like it or not, Apple has demonstrated that flashy events reach out to a wide audience. Google cannot expect to target the Nexus to average consumers if it's launch consists of a measly post on Google blog.
4. It's just informative. Especially with the release of KitKat, an event will clearly outline the major changes in Android in an appealing visual fashion. Sure, we can find out about KitKat through other channels, but it would be a lot more exciting to hear from Google themselves.
There are probably more reasons for why Google should have held an event for the Nexus 5 and KitKat, but these are the most prominent ones that come to mind. I have to say though, I am not only disappointed but surprised by the lack of a launch. Last year, Google planned an event for for the Nexus 4 (although it was cancelled due to the hurricane) and more recently, Google held live streams for Google+ and Hangout changes. So my question, why announce two items (Nexus 5 and KitKat) which are arguably more important, through a boring blog post?
The strongest defence for Google not holding the event is that, "they will sell enough Nexus 5's without one". This is quite a poor argument though. The iPhone, likewise, would be sold out without an event but that doesn't stop Apple from showcasing it's product. Its not just a sales pitch, its a moment for the company to show its pride towards its products.
I'm personally glad they didn't have an event. It insured that people who really wanted the phone had a first shot as it. We were following it daily and knew when to look for the phone to go live. I bought mine 6 min into launch. Last year many many people bought the n4 on launch cause of the hype from the event that wouldn't have on day one. Though I'm very very surprised that it went down the way it did. I was really expecting an event or announcement of some kind. I wish they would have had an event that night or Friday night.
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I feel like the lack of an event helped limit the number of scavengers who purchase as many phones as they can just to resell them at a higher cost.
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I feel like the lack of an event helped limit the number of scavengers who purchase as many phones as they can just to resell them at a higher cost.
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Didn't help much. I almost put mine up for sale before I even get it due to them selling for way above retail.
Press events are for media ****tards. Glad Google don't play these dumb media circuses.
I was kinda disappointed there wasn't a conference/event. I really enjoyed the galaxy nexus ICS event not long ago.
Why is the right door always locked?
I think Google did just fine not having any sort of release party. Think about this for a minute. Apple's marketing budget is gonna be over 1 billion this year. Samsungs will top 4.5 billion. Googles budget comes in at just about 500 million and a lot of that was spent on the Moto X campaign. Google spent very little money on marketing the N5. They left it up to rumor and speculation to do that for them. The big question for me is how many devices did they sell in the opening week? It won't top the iPhone numbers but even if it comes in at half of that it's huge. I'm getting tired of the whole google cut corners to build the N5 arguement. In my eyes the only corner they cut on this phone was their marketing budget. Then they where nice enough to keep their profit margin low on top of that. That's why so many of us can afford this phone. So props to Google for doing right and doing it well.
Well, I see your points but at the same time..
You could look at is as Google simply saying.. hey look, we can release a device and an update without much advertising and work.. without making a big deal out of it.
People love trying to guess, building up hype on their own. Google let the devs and Android fans take care of the advertising and "press." Did you see how many blogs posted release dates and rumors and specs?
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Last year many many people bought the n4 on launch cause of the hype from the event that wouldn't have on day one.
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There wasn't a Nexus 4 event, because it was cancelled due to Hurricane Sandy.
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There wasn't a Nexus 4 event, because it was cancelled due to Hurricane Sandy.
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I know that but it was announced almost 2 weeks ahead of the release. It was all over the internet how cheap it was and the great specs. There was nothing this time around not even a video like Katy year
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who else is disappointed Google didn't hold a press event event for the launch?
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seriously?!
Google is sad about Galaxy Nexus & Nexus S (now that the OS manages well 512MB devices again).
(Just Kidding of course).
BTW, they don't need press events for a device with that awesome price. And a system with (afaik currently) 80+% market share on purchases, considering that most of the sells are from non-nexus (no-kitkat) devices.
There wasn't a need for an event. There's no groundbreaking new feature or gimmick offered by KitKat or the Nexus 5 that is going to sway new buyers, let alone demonstrate.
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I think Google did just fine not having any sort of release party. Think about this for a minute. Apple's marketing budget is gonna be over 1 billion this year. Samsungs will top 4.5 billion. Googles budget comes in at just about 500 million and a lot of that was spent on the Moto X campaign. Google spent very little money on marketing the N5. They left it up to rumor and speculation to do that for them. The big question for me is how many devices did they sell in the opening week? It won't top the iPhone numbers but even if it comes in at half of that it's huge. I'm getting tired of the whole google cut corners to build the N5 arguement. In my eyes the only corner they cut on this phone was their marketing budget. Then they where nice enough to keep their profit margin low on top of that. That's why so many of us can afford this phone. So props to Google for doing right and doing it well.
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A millionaire dollar marketing campaign is not exactly what I had in mind. Just a simple announcement held in one day. Hell, they could have even done so via a live stream like they did with the Google+ and Hangouts update.
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Well, I see your points but at the same time..
You could look at is as Google simply saying.. hey look, we can release a device and an update without much advertising and work.. without making a big deal out of it.
People love trying to guess, building up hype on their own. Google let the devs and Android fans take care of the advertising and "press." Did you see how many blogs posted release dates and rumors and specs?
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As much as I enjoyed the fan made advertising through rumours, speculation and leak, I would still have much preferred an announcement from Google themselves. In fact, why not have both? If Google really felt the fans should do advertising for them, I think that's quite lazy on their part.
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seriously?!
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Yes, I'm serious. I feel you are interpreting it in some major sense though.
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As much as I enjoyed the fan made advertising through rumours, speculation and leak, I would still have much preferred an announcement from Google themselves. In fact, why not have both? If Google really felt the fans should do advertising for them, I think that's quite lazy on their part.
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Yeah, I suppose it can be seen like that as well.
Either way, I'm just happy Google keeps releasing good devices.
I love the Nexus line, I've had every nexus phone other than the Nexus One.
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Yeah, I suppose it can be seen like that as well.
Either way, I'm just happy Google keeps releasing good devices.
I love the Nexus line, I've had every nexus phone other than the Nexus One.
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Exactly, Google consistently releases excellent products (hardware and software). It's just a shame that they don't always showcase their pride for it for the world to see. As I imagined, most people here are saying "they don't need one" but they can't be further away from the truth, as I said, it's not just a sales pitch its about advertising the product and what makes it special.
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I think it might of helped a little. Still, the best way to combat these kinds of people is to have the inventory to support demand. It looks like Google did a pretty good job this time it looks like - maximum wait time is only 3-4 weeks. I'm sure there will be another bump in demand in about a month as Christmas shopping spins up, but I'm guessing that anyone who wants one will get it by the end of the year.
Me. And I leave for work at 1pm every day. I had faith and waited it out. I like to know what's going on.
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I am dissapointed, google hosted an event to launch the Nexus 7 this year alongside android 4.3 which didnt change anything visually, only under-the-hood improvements, this proves that they dont want the Nexus phones to go mainstream, its just a phone to keep us geeks happy in our bubble, but its not a phone to market, it really pisses me off because I feel stock android is the best android experience you can get, and people out in the street dont know about it, most people dont even know Google owns Android, theres a whole universe of people out there missing the best experience an android phone can have, I feel like google didnt do the event and wont market the phone because it would piss off OEMS who are making phones with similar specifications but almost doubling the price...
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I am dissapointed, google hosted an event to launch the Nexus 7 this year alongside android 4.3 which didnt change anything visually, only under-the-hood improvements, this proves that they dont want the Nexus phones to go mainstream, its just a phone to keep us geeks happy in our bubble, but its not a phone to market, it really pisses me off because I feel stock android is the best android experience you can get, and people out in the street dont know about it, most people dont even know Google owns Android, theres a whole universe of people out there missing the best experience an android phone can have, I feel like google didnt do the event and wont market the phone because it would piss off OEMS who are making phones with similar specifications but almost doubling the price...
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This. I cannot agree with you more. I think it's selfish for people to want Google to keep the Nexus line exclusive for geeks. The AOSP experience is unrivalled. A lot of people don't know what they are missing out on. Nexus 5 > iPhone on so many levels, and yet the average Joe would not even know what the Nexus is. Tragic.
Does anyone know the current Note 5 sales figures / volume / number?
The closest thing I could find is a comparison of its sales compared to the Note 6+ Edge but no concrete numbers.
I wonder if Samsung is keeping silent on the numbers because sales are disappointing?
If sales were record-breaking, I'm sure they would market it and love to throw it in Apple's face.
I'd like to know, too. the new iPhone sales and availability has been crazy than what I remember with the Note5 after release.
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I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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I can see that happening
KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.
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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.
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Ha ha ha. I totally agree about the whole apple thing. Samsung should have called their new note the inote 5. Lol
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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I just saw an announcement it will be for sale in europe in Jan '16
let's wait till December to get a good figure...
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-smartphone-shipments-to-see-first-ever-annual-decline/
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...
Obviously if you don't like the note 5, then don't buy it. No need to be 'disgusted'.
It is just a phone...
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As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...
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As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.
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Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.
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Lol so you are telling me that the Galaxy S6 isn't a flagship but a "mass-consumer product"? And it disgusts you that they used the same internals in the Note. LOL here we go..
First, before the Note Series existed, the S series was and is the defacto "flagship for Samsung". Keep in mind the Note started as a very niche product never intended to reach the number of sales that their flagship S Series did.
Do yourself a favor and search "Samsung flag ship" in google.. better yet let me do it for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Samsung+Flag+Ship
Please tell me what device occupies the majority of those results. I know this is simple but Im sure its more logic than you put into your response as an over privileged consumer elitist that can't be bothered with less than "flagship" quality..
Now that we have defined loosely what a "flagship" device is lets look at your reason for disgust. You're mad because a publicly traded company decided to save some money by not designing a whole new chipset and used one that exists and works. Not to mention that same disgustingly mediocre chip set is night and day faster than the last Note and killing it with a smaller battery.. Everything is faster, every, thing.. Some people will never be happy and swear the internet was created to gripe about the smallest things..
Also yes it is very hard to understand someone that attempts to articulate their confirmatory bias with ambiguous hype terms like "flagship" and "mass-consumer product". The hilarious thing is you think those two terms are not homogeneous in this use case.. :good:
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There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. S
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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That's a good point indeed. May be they should save even more bucks by not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to the whole world.
I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........
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I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........
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Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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The point is that people take Pictures and Videos. Over time, that takes up more and more storage, especially with quality and megapixels going up.
I have 60gb just in pictures and videos from the past 4+years. Just because people get new phones every 2 years doesn't mean they delete their old photo albums and start fresh. All those old memories pile up..
32gb on a phone isn't going to cut it. And I don't want to delete my old memories or upload them to the cloud and have to pay a monthly fee just to access them when I can buy a 128gb micro SD card for $45. Plus, I don't have to worry about having a solid LTE Signal. Plus, I can access a memory card in places where I get no service at all, like on a cruise ship or in a foreign country.
I need a swappable battery. I'm at Disney World and almost every here is walking around with their phones shackled to an external battery charger. It's so much easier to just carry a thin spare. It takes <30 seconds to swap and go from 0% to 100%.
Ok. You need those things, so you will need to buy a different phone...
Not everyone has the same needs, and samsung isn't designing the phone to meet everyone's needs - they are designing it to meet what they think the majority needs are and will sell.
It ok get a different phone. That's why they make different phones...
Is like being mad that you can only fit 5 people in a sedan, because got need to fit 7...
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