Ok guys, this is all opinionated of course, but I think that a lot of people (including myself) are a bit frustrated with the announcement of the Note 4, mainly for the lack of changes.
I put together a list comparing Note 2 to Note 3, which was a HUGE upgrade, and compared it to Note 3 to 4. As you can see, the two lists are very different when put next to each other:
note 2 vs note 3:
SD800 WAAY Faster than Exynos 1.6ghz
bigger screen
1080p vs 720p, better colors, 40% brighter
completely new features like air command, USB 3, multi vision, air gesture, able to use S-pen with capacitive buttons
from S4: IR blaster, glove mode,
better camera with new features, 4k video, slomo
Design completely new, new back, flatter front, sides that mimic a notebook
32gb storage, more ram, bigger battery,
taller, thinner, lighter; new integrated camera w/flash, cleaner look; speaker on bottom
LTE Advanced, 802.11ac
gorilla glass 3 vs gorilla glass 2
accessories: s-view cover, gear, wireless charging back, wireless s-view
note 4:
SD 805 (super fast gpu (good for 4k, better thermal design = better battery life), 2x memory bandwidth, faster cpu (15%), much better image processor, up to 300mbps let-a)
same size screen
2.5k vs 1080p, adaptive display, possibly super dimming mode (unknown), "basic" mode to get true RGB color accuracy in Note4
16mp cam with ois, 3.7mp ffc with 120 degree wide angle; side-touch “button”
Design similar; new metal sides, no stitching on back, camera is now split from flash module for heart rate sensor, like note 2, curved edged (2.5d) glass like note 2, small cuts in metal frame like iphone's antenna, black phone speaker grill, ffc moved more to corner, larger home button, edge matches color of phone's front & back
new features: 30 minute super charging, s-pen 2x sensitive, MHL3
From S5:Fingerprint reader, heart-rate sensor, ultra power-saving mode, multitasking button replaces menu button
completely new features: UV+SP02 sensors, fast-charging, bring content from one app to another with s-pen, select multiple items with s-pen like a mouse, pop-up screen, split-screen w/multiple apps, use heart rate sensor for selfies
same storage options, same RAM, battery 20 Mah more but 7.5% better; same integrated microsd/microsim module as note3, not in note 2
dimensions: narrower and thinner, but taller and heavier (N3: 5.95" x 3.12" x 0.33” in, 5.93 oz N4: 6.04" x 3.09" x 0.32” in, 6.21 oz)
speaker on back, camera and flash in 2 different components
LTE-A 300 mbps vs 150 on n3, 802.11ac with MIMO, bluetooth 4.1
same gorilla glass 3 as n3, 2.5d curved edge glass from note 2
like note 3, 3 mics, but improved in note 4; can focus on sound coming from one or two directions
accessories gear vr, Swarovski backs, montblanc pens+cases, samsung ruggedized note4 case, gear s, wireless charging back, wireless s-view
design negatives: taller, heavier, speaker on back; REMOVED: USB3, temperature & Humidity sensor
missing features: From S5: waterproof, ISOCELL BSI sensor, super-dimming unknown at this point; no dual-tone flash like iphone, speaker on back like Note2, not 64bit if snapdragon
unknown:super-dimming mode, PWM for screen dimming which was in note2 and 3, if signal is as good as note2 because note3 signal was worse
sensors (from samsung website):
Note 3:
Gesture, Accelerometer, Geo-magnetic, Gyroscope, RGB, Proximity, Barometer, Temperature & Humidity, Hall Sensor
Note 2:
Accelerometer, RGB Light, Digital Compass, Proximity, Gyro, Barometer
Note 4:
Gesture, Accelerometer, Geo-magnetic, Gyroscope, RGB,IR-LED Proximity, Barometer, Hall Sensor, Finger Scanner, UV, Heart Rate Monitoring, SpO2
I think after compiling this list, I've realized I can overlook some minor things like USB3 (even tho it was STUPID FAST!), sensors and a few other details. At the end of the day, I remember why I pick Samsung: Best-in-class screen, which is one of the biggest things about a pone, top-notch hardware, super fast, great (although sometimes useless) features, geek-friendly when it comes to expandability, removable battery/memory, customizable, etc.
That waterproof omission is going to sting tho :crying: Really was looking forward to underwater pics without a "bag", or shower-browsing online!
The lack of USB3, Isocell sensor and speaker moved to the back are all a step back, but with all these other improvements, I'm sure you wouldn't even notice it much.
Your right, the screen is being given no love, and your right, it is super important. This should be the best smartphone screen ever. Paired with the latest processor, and great S pen features, I'm in. I just hope that there is no lag like everyone said about the G3
Thanks for putting this up. I think you should add that while the Note 4 rolled back to USB2, it was upgraded from MHL 2 to 3. Too many tech sites that do comparisons forget to mention this.
The Note 3 is USB3 MHL2.
The Note 4 is USB2 MHL3.
Dat Noob said:
Thanks for putting this up. I think you should add that while the Note 4 rolled back to USB2, it was upgraded from MHL 2 to 3. Too many tech sites that do comparisons forget to mention this.
The Note 3 is USB3 MHL2.
The Note 4 is USB2 MHL3.
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added to new features portion. Thanks!
My utter frustration is moving the speaker to the back.
No word yet if the sound is better on the N4 then on the N3.
My only complain is move speaker to back.
No waterproof is better if Samsung can't make slim bezel for waterproof phone, see how thick and ugly the bezel in S5.
Thanks Samsung not implement waterproof in Note 4.
I had use few waterproof Sony phone like Z and Z Ultra, waterproof is real gimmick as it won't last long and troublesome on those flip cover on nearly every single port. Please don't add in until you can give slim bezel design on it. Waterproof is real unnecessary.
Andrewtst said:
My only complain is move speaker to back.
No waterproof is better if Samsung can't make slim bezel for waterproof phone, see how thick and ugly the bezel in S5.
Thanks Samsung not implement waterproof in Note 4.
I had use few waterproof Sony phone like Z and Z Ultra, waterproof is real gimmick as it won't last long and troublesome on those flip cover on nearly every single port. Please don't add in until you can give slim bezel design on it. Waterproof is real unnecessary.
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I also feel waterproofing is a gimmick and while this doesn't reflect every phone. A few people I know who have the Z1/2 and S4 active/S5 have issues with the water proofing whenever water touches their phones from freezing, to switching off, to black screens, to unresponsive buttons.
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Thanks for putting this up. I think you should add that while the Note 4 rolled back to USB2, it was upgraded from MHL 2 to 3. Too many tech sites that do comparisons forget to mention this.
The Note 3 is USB3 MHL2.
The Note 4 is USB2 MHL3.
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The note 4 when back to using a usb2.0? What the funk ? I really loved the extra fast charging of the note 3. I'm not sure what the MHL is and how it affects charging speeds but they advertised fast charging on the note 4, so we'll see.
I had Note 2 but bought S4 and then Note 3 came out and its seems no diffrent from S4 cus of the 1080p screen , so i waited for 2K and now Note 4 has it so its a 100% buy from me !
I always found that the N3 screen looked fuzzy I couldn't live with it.
The fact the screen is Qhd is reason enough for me give the N4 a chance.
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I also feel waterproofing is a gimmick and while this doesn't reflect every phone. A few people I know who have the Z1/2 and S4 active/S5 have issues with the water proofing whenever water touches their phones from freezing, to switching off, to black screens, to unresponsive buttons.
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Yup, cause I own Z and Z Ultra before, I know it is not that effective and needed as advertise.
Att.Fan1982 said:
The note 4 when back to using a usb2.0? What the funk �� I really loved the extra fast charging of the note 3. I'm not sure what the MHL is and how it affects charging speeds but they advertised fast charging on the note 4, so we'll see.
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The Note 4 will have better chraging capabilities than the Note 3. Look what the seemingly unimportant MHL3 actually adds:
The MHL 3.0 specification capabilities include:
4K (Ultra HD): Support of 4K formats up to 2160p30
Simultaneous high-speed data channel
Improved Remote Control Protocol (RCP) with support for peripherals such as a touch screen, keyboard and mouse
Power charging up to 10W
Backward compatible with MHL 1 and MHL 2
Latest HDCP 2.2 content protection
Enhanced 7.1 surround sound with Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD
Connector agnostic – uses as few as five pins
Support for simultaneous multiple displays
The MHL Experience
Home Theater – 4K Movie-Theater Picture Quality
Watch all of your favorite content in 4K movie-theater picture quality from your smartphone to your TV or home theater system. Stop, rewind, pause and play all of your content using the TV's remote control.
Mobile Games – Zero Lag
Play all your mobile games on a 4K screen with no lag, all while the TV provides power to your smartphone for extended game play.
Office – Work Anytime, Anywhere
Transform your mobile device into a portable computer by connecting it to a keyboard, mouse, monitor (or multiple monitors), and storage device to work anytime, anywhere.
Automotive – Touch Screen to Access Music and Navigation
Interact with the smartphone through your car infotainment touch-screen display or buttons on your steering wheel to make phone calls, play music, navigate with the phone's GPS, and more, all while providing charge to your smartphone.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/20/mhl-3-0/
Edit: Also, just to add, as far as I know this is a first for Samsung. The Galaxy S5 for example had MHL2.1.
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Yup, cause I own Z and Z Ultra before, I know it is not that effective and needed as advertise.
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that's too bad...what about taking pics under-water? The Note 4 has that virtual button on it's side for taking pics. If it were waterproof, I doubt the button would work, because it's most likely capacitive. But does the touchscreen work well enough to hit the camera capture button? Or you can probably use the volume button to capture a picture, so would that work? Or does it freeze up completely?
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Yup, cause I own Z and Z Ultra before, I know it is not that effective and needed as advertise.
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Dat Noob said:
The Note 4 will have better chraging capabilities than the Note 3. Look what the seemingly unimportant MHL3 actually adds:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/20/mhl-3-0/
Edit: Also, just to add, as far as I know this is a first for Samsung. The Galaxy S5 for example had MHL2.1.
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Well 4k support is a big deal now that people are starting to buy 4K TV's to output to and content providors like netflix support streaming 4k (but probably not yet on mobile, that I don't know)
Samzebian said:
that's too bad...what about taking pics under-water? The Note 4 has that virtual button on it's side for taking pics. If it were waterproof, I doubt the button would work, because it's most likely capacitive. But does the touchscreen work well enough to hit the camera capture button? Or you can probably use the volume button to capture a picture, so would that work? Or does it freeze up completely?
Well 4k support is a big deal now that people are starting to buy 4K TV's to output to and content providors like netflix support streaming 4k (but probably not yet on mobile, that I don't know)
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Newer Z1, Z2 or Z3 yes for taken under water as got shutter button. Previous model can only via time record.
Also remember due to the S Pen, really hard to do waterproof, if do then it will be troublesome in taken out the S Pen.
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Also remember due to the S Pen, really hard to do waterproof, if do then it will be troublesome in taken out the S Pen.
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Lack of IP67 is my biggest issue with the Note 4. I also thought that it's because of the S Pen, but after reading Samsung response on the issue, I'm not sure anymore. Here's what they said when asked by Android Authority:
Unlike the Galaxy S5, the Note 4 isn’t waterproof – when we asked Samsung’s reps why, they said the Note 4 is for people interested in being productive and creative on the go, while the Galaxy S5 is a more generalist device
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Lack of IP67 is my biggest issue with the Note 4. I also thought that it's because of the S Pen, but after reading Samsung response on the issue, I'm not sure anymore. Here's what they said when asked by Android Authority:
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-4-hands-on-519696/
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Knowing that, I'm also disappointed in the note 4's lack of ip67 certification.
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Lack of IP67 is my biggest issue with the Note 4. I also thought that it's because of the S Pen, but after reading Samsung response on the issue, I'm not sure anymore. Here's what they said when asked by Android Authority:
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-4-hands-on-519696/
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Same. I could buy their reasoning for the larger bezels on the S5 due to waterproofing, but why would the Note 4 be larger now if it doesn't even include that?
Missing water proof feature too! Maybe there will come some 3rd party cases for N4 that makes it water proof for short times. The difference in S5 is the existence of a cover for the Micro USB port and a little "strip" in the back cover.
Water proof features are what other manufacturers came up with to try to offer something..ANYTHING... to attempt to steal some of Samsung customers because they couldn't do it on the tech side of things. Forget waterproofing, as it a point of sale gimmick which fails because it needs stupid little blanking plugs ETC.
So far the biggest thing I see on the Note4 that might make my life loads easier is the fast charge which is a really handy feature.
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How do you waterproof a phone with an S pen? I can understand the disappointment some feel but it wasn't a feature I was seeking on a Note device.
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Fingerprint Scanner- Use it for Paypal, unlock device (plus enter privacy mode), and use it to unlock device plus open an app with certain fingerprints that you designate.
Toolbox- Samsung's take on Paranoid Android's "Halo" feature.
Camera- TONS of stuff, new/cleaner layout of all the modes, plus new modes seem really cool. Plus 16 MP is awesome.
Micro SD/Removable Battery- One of the VERY FEW phones that still has both of these, always a plus!
Menu Button- The removal of the menu button and putting the recent app switcher is so much better.
Water Resistant- IP67, and notice how I didn't say WATERPROOF, BECAUSE IT'S NOT!!
Download Booster- WiFi + 4G LTE= DAMN
Better Battery Life- Bigger battery, plus the ultra power saving mode! Already average 25hrs with 3hrs of on screen time with my S4 (stock battery), so I can't wait to see what the S5 can do!
What's your favorite features of the S5?
ISOCELL camera
This: http://www.sammobile.com/2014/02/28...-techniques-that-increase-battery-life-by-25/
Not exactly a feature, but the blue version looks great!
IP67
Pretty much everything lol.
dandroid13 said:
ISOCELL camera
This: http://www.sammobile.com/2014/02/28...-techniques-that-increase-battery-life-by-25/
Not exactly a feature, but the blue version looks great!
IP67
Pretty much everything lol.
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i literally just read that article 15min before seeing your comment, yeah that's pretty cool!
Fav.
1. Download-Booster
2. IP67
1. Still Can make calls.
2. Still support SMS.
...the tiny italic text...
Micro SD/Removable Battery without question, for me; this combination is why I can't really consider any other manufacturer, although there may be some others with these features that I'm unaware of. USB3 is a nice upgrade over the S4, as is the upgraded CPU. Waterproofing is also pretty sweet, although I've never had any water issues with any phone, and I never use a case because I can't stand the extra bulk. The extra height, width, thickness, weight, and fatter bezels for only a tenth of an inch larger screen, not so much...won't be upgrading to the S5 from my S4, although the S5 is probably overall the better device. Perhaps if there is a "Prime" version yet to come, I'll be waiting for the Note 4.
Good features...try to add more exclusive features
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I liked the better battery life, water resistant(IP67) and the download booster.
For the fingerprint scanner, I think it does not fit for Android, especially for secure payments. Android simply cannot keep fingerprint data secure...
1. Ultra power saving mode.
2. Good camera.
3. Water resistant
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Only brand, which still supports removable battry + sd card slot
other than that:
1. Ultra Power Saving mode I really think this could come in handy a lot of times but I think the S4 will get a feature like this too
2. faster auto focus on the camera
I really don't care about the finger print, heart rate that just seems gimmicky and less useful than say air gestures or smart pause. The download boaster is a double edged sword while it's nice to have more speed it will also eat up your monthly limit like nothing so I'd rather download at a lower rate but more.
Surely the best feature for me is the super fast Auto Focus. Damn, it's really fast!
I also like the fact that the display can go down to 2 Cd/m^2. Ultra Power saving mode seems useful too.
Other than that is the Exynos 5422 in the non-LTE model seems pretty cool with HMP possibly out of the box. Looking forward to checking out its performance.
Also, the new Touchwiz looks pretty neat.
Likes: Waterproof, SD card, camera and removable battery which is a must!
Dislikes: Fingerprint sensor, dont need it and hated the iphones for having that, i consider it a privacy issue here, your fingerprints should not be taken via your phone, it would be awesome if Samsung would make it optional for this "feature"
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Likes: Waterproof, SD card, camera and removable battery which is a must!
Dislikes: Fingerprint sensor, dont need it and hated the iphones for having that, i consider it a privacy issue here, your fingerprints should not be taken via your phone, it would be awesome if Samsung would make it optional for this "feature"
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It is optional. Like with the iPhone, no one is forcing you to input your fingerprint and use the feature. If you don't want to use it, simply don't use it. It's not required by any means.
Download Booster, Camera, Toolbox, Water Resistant, Fingerprint Scanner.. I like em' all. Folks complain about it not meeting their expectations cause they wanted it to fly to the moon. Wifi + LTE?! Wtf! Every device will copy that for sure!
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slyjai said:
Download Booster, Camera, Toolbox, Water Resistant, Fingerprint Scanner.. I like em' all. Folks complain about it not meeting their expectations cause they wanted it to fly to the moon. Wifi + LTE?! Wtf! Every device will copy that for sure!
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People just like to complain, but I am actually excited for all the above features and the other ones that haven't been advertised that will be found by consumers.
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i like how it has no bezel
wait..
autophone said:
i like how it has no bezel
wait..
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I like how those bezel-less phones arriving will all be put in bumpers with a laaarge bezel since they will be very fragile ... good thinking there :good:
According to the presentation in Barcelona the S5 is marketed as an "active" smartphone for "people on the go", not a "unboxing on youtube and put on a pedestal" type of phone
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I like how those bezel-less phones arriving will all be put in bumpers with a laaarge bezel since they will be very fragile ... good thinking there :good:
According to the presentation in Barcelona the S5 is marketed as an "active" smartphone for "people on the go", not a "unboxing on youtube and put on a pedestal" type of phone
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and people will put another thick bezel case over the GS5
autophone said:
and people will put another thick bezel case over the GS5
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Yeah, doubled protection, whats bad with that? But I wont, if all my previous phones have survived and the S5 is the most rugged of them I'm not really worried
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The air gestures
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Said no one, ever...
My OP5 has replaced my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge which unfortunately was dropped and shattered the front glass. It's expensive/difficult to replace the glass on these so I treated myself to a new phone. So this is what I Love and Hate about my new OnePlus 5!
Love
The Snapdraggon 835 -The phone is Fast and bang up to date in connectivity support.
Fast storage and lots of memory- More Speed
No bloatware and streamlined Android -Contributes to the speed and simplicity.
The silent/DnD slider button -No more taking my phone out and turning the display on to switch it to silent! Fantastic.
Fast responsive finger print unlocking.
Solid Home button -Sooner or later the push down home buttons on galaxies start to wear causing rocking, noises/rattles, missed clicks etc because of their frequent use. Hopefully nothing to wear out here.
The deep blacks and saturation from the AMOLED panel
3.5mm jack -Can still use my headphones without an adapter.
Battery -Amazing battery life and the DASH charge is great too.
USB C -So easy to plug in the charger in the dark now.
Gorilla Glass 5 -better drop resistance, the gorilla glass 4 on my Galaxy S7 drop failed
Glass on one side. Feels less premium in a way, but reduces the weight of the phone. This means less force when it falls and less chance of shattering the screen. However metal dents and scratches easily.
Hate
The Camera. So much hype and so much disappointment. Good on paper and for taking 'benchmark' photos. But very poor in real world phone usage. The S7 camera is WAY better. I'm so disappointed I gave it it's own thread.
Only 1080P screen. Also if the brightness is turned up I can see 'noise' on the display. Also get some weird distortions when scrolling. Viewing angle is good, but not excellent. Automatic brightness control is also hit and miss. The S7 was much better. A big downgrade on the S7 display in all areas.
Design is good. But it doesn't look as nice as say a galaxy S8
Having DRM issues, such as reduced quality Netlix streaming. I hope this gets sorted soon.
Sound is loud, but quality is average.
Not waterproof
No SD Card support. Who really wants two sim card holders? Make the other slot for an sdcard like Samsung.
Price. £450 is not a value bargain like the old versions. You can buy a Samsung S8 on Amazon for £550 now.
In a nutshell. It's a mid range phone in regards to features and design, but with high end performance. I don't think it's a bargain. I think the price is about right for what you get.
Sometimes I ask myself why do people actually upgrade from S7 or equal??
The S7/S7 edge is only one year old. I think it's also nonsense to upgrade from S7 to S8 for example.
What do people expect to get? A whole new smartphone experience? Ppl knew the specs right from the start, before they bought it. Of course a 1080p screen will be worse than a QHD.
It's not waterproof, you knew that. It has no SD-Slot, you knew that as well.
For the smoothness and the speed to exist, as well as the great batterylife, there need to be some things that can't be amazing as well for this price. And it's not even bad on this phone.
I understand disappointment, but it's mostly because people expect too much from a phone that is only 1 year younger than the one they own.
I'm coming from a Nexus 5 and I'm totally happy with the OP5. My gf has a S7 edge. They are both good phones. The Samsung might have a better camera, but the Android experience and smoothness is GALAXIES better with the OP5.
Sometimes ist also about people's priotities.
Just my 2 cents. Hope you'll enjoy your new device
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I don't think you can add lack of water proofing and no SD card slot and only 1080p to the list of hate since you should have known this already but continued to purchase the phone.
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I don't think you can add lack of water proofing and no SD card slot and only 1080p to the list of hate since you should have known this already but continued to purchase the phone.
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If he truly does hate the feature, or lack of, why can't he put them on the list? It's HIS list.
sireniankyle said:
If he truly does hate the feature, or lack of, why can't he put them on the list? It's HIS list.
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Because I said . honesty though, I just hate complaints on lack of features when it was a known fact prior to purchase. So I'm going to stick to my opinion on the subject.
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Because I said . honesty though, I just hate complaints on lack of features when it was a known fact prior to purchase. So I'm going to stick to my opinion on the subject.
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It is possible that he thought he could look past it, but ended up failing at it. idk. All I can say is that it has happened to me. Mostly with iPhone, but that is a whole other beast.
It appears that to the vast majority of modern day uber mobiles that the camera is the most important factor?
I notice that some are actually going to change from the SGS8+ to the Note 8 'just' for the camera?
Cards on the table. I know next to zero regarding photography and very very seldom, if ever, use the camera on my mobile. I find the most attractive extra as sound production however...
Can some of you camera experts inform me how a pocket camera compares in quality of picture to the Note 8?
I would think, I don't know, that my Canon DSLR produces better photographs? How would my little pocket Sony camera compare?
Just how good is the quality of pictures produced by the Note 8 (also the SGS8+ that I own)? Is it just a matter of convenience or do these new mobiles produce truly 'good' photo's?
Thanks for your replies.
Ryland
The S8+ takes amazing pictures. I haven't bought a good real camera for about 6 or 7 years, but I am sure it still takes superior pictures to the best smartphone cameras. But it is bulky, easily broken (ex dropped it a week after I bought it and broke the lcd display on the back although you can still see through the cracks enough to use it) and a PITA to carry around. So I have little need personally for an actual camera. It was $850 to boot and I wish I had never bought it.
The Note 8 and it's dual rear cameras are a definite step up from the S8+. The S8+ has a GREAT camera, low light especially. But the dual shooters in the rear are very, very nice from all accounts on the Note 8. If I can actually get $425 for my Note 7 on trade in from Sammy for the Note 8 I will get the Note 8 and sell my S8+. Otherwise I will not take a 400 to 500 dollar beating to switch from my S8+ - which is a very nice phone - to the Note 8. I do miss the S Pen and a bit bigger screen is always nice. I am a tad concerned about going down in battery size - the S8+ has a 3500 mah battery and smaller display, the Note 8 has a 3300 mah battery and a bit larger display.
Anyway, IMO, the camera upgrade alone is not enough for me to switch. The trade in of $425 for my Note 7 would be enough IF I can actually get $425 from Samsung for my Note 7.
Dipends on what that "pocket camera" is, if it's an m4/3 like the Olympus OM-D or even the Canon EOS-M. i don't think Note 8 can compete with those cameras. But if it's like those small Sony "Point and Shoot" cameras, it does stand a chance of being at par if not beating the picture quality of what the Note 8 can produce.
The f1.7 lens is a huge plus because of it's lowlight capabilities and of course the bokeh effect (where the subject in front is focused and the background is somehow blurred). from what i've seen Note 8 also has an Optical Zoom which is waaaaay better than digital zoom IMO.
All in all i think it will be a great move even if you're coming from the S8+, aside from the camera, the S-Pen can offer a looooot of things that will be helpful for productivities (and picture editing too! haha)
I have Canon DSLR and it does have little better picture quality, but: I don't carry my DSLR with me unless I specifically plan to take a lot of pictures and I have my phone with me all the time. Also in good light, which is most of the time I take pictures, it's hard to tell difference. My S8 is as fast at focusing as my DSLR, S8 have higher FPS for action photos, takes better video in higher resolution (4k) than my DSLR. In other words I use S8 camera most of the time, even if I have my DSLR and use Canon only for specific type of shooting (night, portrait and zoom). Note 8 has the same cam as S8 plus x2 zoom, so better bokeh, but for portrait and telephoto DSLR it is still much better, for everything else I prefer phone, if only for it's size. In my case it's not the cam I'm upgrading from S8 to Note 8, since addition of x2 zoom won't improve capabilities over S8 that much, it's the pen and I suspect it's similar with many others.
Thank you all for your kind and informative replies. I appreciate your time.
One point. Whats a "Bokeh"?
Ryland
the camera is important but it just depends on what your gonna do with the pictures...most will just share on social or just look at them on there phone..i havent seen a bad picture since i had a nextel flip phone.
for me the s-pen is the main selling point and of course the size of the unit
I would say the camera features are not important to the "uber mobiles" as you describe but more like the last item that can truly be updated / differentiated on a device for maximum upsurge with minimum cost.
That's all vendors have left to try and create hype for the next flagship.
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One point. Whats a "Bokeh"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh
I've been with LG about 2 years now and I miss my stylus of the note 3. However the audio quality of the v20 does make an impression.
My concerns with the phone is this:
- glass body, can it take drops? I am getting conflicting reports that it's really fragile and other reports it's one of the toughest.
- battery life, will it last all day without a charge whole connected to Bluetooth? One of the big perks of the v20 is you can get extended batteries which I then don't have to worry about a stupid mid day charge. I use a clip portable speaker at work in which it will be connected to most of the time to play music.
- Camera speed. Does the camera have shutter lag? I've seen quality videos on YouTube and it seems pretty good in that category probably better than this v20.
- the biggest problem I have by far with Samsung is all the junkware they install. Can most of this stuff be disabled without root? (i.e. Package Disabler) I rooted my note 3 just to get it running smoothly but those were better days where root was pretty easy to do.
- stylus performance, is it like writing on paper or is it laggy? My son has a stylo 3 and while it works ok it's not responsive like my note 3 was.
With so many top notch phones out now the choice is harder than ever. Especially since there is no removable battery flagship phones.
Thanks for any comments or suggestions. [emoji2]
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Glass body = fragile. Corningware claims GG5 can survive a 6 foot drop onto rough surfaces 80% of the time. My wife dropped her S8+ about 6 inches into a stool at the gym and cracked the screen. I saw it happen.
GG5 is also very soft. It scratches very easy in my experience. So plan on a case, a good screen protector, and just treat it like...well...GLASS. LOL.
Battery life is very good. I listen to music via Bluetooth earbuds for about 1.5 to 2 hrs at the gym, while receiving text messages, emails, and FB messages and usually only lose a couple a few percent in battery. But I've never left it off charger and on BT all day though, so I don't know. Id say just get you a wireless charger to set it on.
Camera is AMAZING. No lag that I've noticed. 2x OPTICAL zoom, not digital. And the Pixel2 camera has been ported. I love it.
As far as junkware... I'm a Nexus/Pixel guy. I've had a few Sammy's and use to agree about Touchwiz and Sammy apps. Now, I like the Samsung Experience software and the native Samsung apps. They integrate so smoothly, and the exclusive S-Pen features are really nice. But if you have to debloat, a search here will tell you how to do it
I don't see any lag in the S-Pen. I love using it just for navigating, but also for Smart Select, copy and paste ANYTHING, taking notes, etc...
Your best bet is to find a friend with one or go to Best Buy and just play with one. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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Glass body = fragile. Corningware claims GG5 can survive a 6 foot drop onto rough surfaces 80% of the time. My wife dropped her S8+ about 6 inches into a stool at the gym and cracked the screen. I saw it happen.
GG5 is also very soft. It scratches very easy in my experience. So plan on a case, a good screen protector, and just treat it like...well...GLASS. LOL.
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To be fair... The galaxy S8 is totally different to the Note 8, and yes the S8 is easy to smash. The S8s corners are so round
However I've not seen this with the Note 8. (But ofcourse glass is glass) it's just the S8 is so damn easy to smash, comparison is unfair
OP - Maybe check out Jerryrigeverything's durability test on YouTube, he does scratch tests on there too, personally I never use a screen protector and have never scratched any of my GG5 smartphones. But that's down to the user really and how you treat it.
I gave my S7Edge to the misses and she's scratched the hell out of it in a couple weeks :laugh:
IMHO though I think the Note8 is hands down the best on the market at the moment, and I'm not hoping much for the S9 but may upgrade to a Note 9
(Pre-ordered mine and had it for a few months now)
I left the V20 to go back to Samsung with the Note 8
My best phone so far by far!
Glass body, I use a good silicone skin the covers the corners with enough buffer that I'm not worried. I also suggest at least a curved plastic screen protector if not a good curved tempered glass although I haven't seen much on the market that actually fits properly.
As for battery life, I'm always near a QC 2.0 Charger at home / office / in car so I just charge when I can. It really depends on your screen on time, that's usually the culprit. I never bothered with a second battery for the V20 and both these phone have Quick charging so invest in a portable Aukey or Tronsmart QC power bank.
The camera has really no lag in comparison with my previous phones: V20 / Note 7 / S7Edge / Note 4 / S4.... It opens quick and shoots quicker, slower with flash of course. Love the 2x optical zoom. I found the V20 to take inferior pictures and the wide angle skewed edges to be quite annoying.
Not going to root this phone. I like it the way it is. I use Nova Launcher which is smooth and trying out MS Launcher currently, also nice.
Stylus is my main reason for returning back to the Note series. I was very turned off with the Note 7 recall so I ended up with LG. The stylus is great with nice software implementation. It's not paper but writes accurately.
Hope this helps.
Larry ( Montreal Canada)
evo4g63t said:
I've been with LG about 2 years now and I miss my stylus of the note 3. However the audio quality of the v20 does make an impression.
My concerns with the phone is this:
- glass body, can it take drops? I am getting conflicting reports that it's really fragile and other reports it's one of the toughest.
- battery life, will it last all day without a charge whole connected to Bluetooth? One of the big perks of the v20 is you can get extended batteries which I then don't have to worry about a stupid mid day charge. I use a clip portable speaker at work in which it will be connected to most of the time to play music.
- Camera speed. Does the camera have shutter lag? I've seen quality videos on YouTube and it seems pretty good in that category probably better than this v20.
- the biggest problem I have by far with Samsung is all the junkware they install. Can most of this stuff be disabled without root? (i.e. Package Disabler) I rooted my note 3 just to get it running smoothly but those were better days where root was pretty easy to do.
- stylus performance, is it like writing on paper or is it laggy? My son has a stylo 3 and while it works ok it's not responsive like my note 3 was.
With so many top notch phones out now the choice is harder than ever. Especially since there is no removable battery flagship phones.
Thanks for any comments or suggestions. [emoji2]
Sent from my [device_name] using XDA-Developers Legacy app
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I came from a V20 to the Note 8. It's like driving a Honda Civic then driving a Porsche.
As long as you are not planning to drive headphones with huge impedance, you should be fine with the Note 8; the DAC is not extravagently mediatised but it is no slouch.
If you could have your perfect dream phone in 2018, what would it be? I'm not necessarily thinking in terms of phones currently on the market (although if one of those is so absolutely perfect you don't think the manufacturer could have done any better you're free to say so), but rather if you could take all the currently available (or soon to be available) features and tech and put them into the perfect phone for you, what would it look like?
Here's what I've come up with:
Hardware:
Display: 5.7" 120Hz 2560x1440 IGZO (from Razer phone) with Trivex NXT polyurethane instead of glass (i.e. pretty much indestructible while still having great optical quality)
SoC: Snapdragon 845
RAM: 8GB
Storage: 256GB (plus microSD)
Speakers: Quad front-facing
Connectivity: 2x USB C, 3.5mm headphone jack with high quality DAC, USB-C to 3.5mm can be used to get a 2nd headphone jack (or let me charge the phone and a second USB-C device at the same time)
2.4/5 GHz dual MIMO wifi
Bluetooth 5
Radio: Global, dual active sim (2nd sim slot NOT shared with microsd card)
Battery: 5,000 mAh removable with fast and wireless charging
IR blaster
FM radio
Slide-out landscape keyboard with 5-way dpad/trackball (would be closely tied with a slide-out gamepad and shoulder buttons like the old Sony Xperia Play had)
Active digitizer and stylus (like the Galaxy Note phones)
IP68 rating
Dual front cameras (one color, one monochrome/IR for very low light and facial recognition if I want it)
Triple rear cameras (two color (one with 4x zoom), one monochrome/IR for very low light), RAW file support for both cameras, no camera bump (extra thickness would be for battery)
Case material: carbon fiber with titanium endoskeleton
Buttons: power, volume rocker, two additional customizable buttons (camera, voice assistant, etc), hardware tactile navigation buttons below screen (not capacitative), fingerprint scanner in home button
Software:
Unlockable bootloader (no OEM code, just fastboot oem unlock and done)
TWRP-like stock recovery
Near-stock android, minor tweaks with a few extra customization options and toggleable root in developer settings (no need to unlock bootloader and install magisk/supersu)
Pretty much what I want is a big, powerful phone with the latest, greatest features and some features that manufacturers have sadly abandoned (removable battery, slide-out keyboard). Thickness and weight aren't really a concern (the carbon fiber over glass will keep the weight reasonable anyways) and smoothing out the back instead of having an annoying camera bump will give some extra volume for a properly large battery.
I abhor the notch abomination that Apple has unleashed on the world of smartphones, so the top and bottom would have bezels (the sides would have some slim bezels as well to make room for cases to hang on, provide a place to actually hold the phone from the front, and give a bit more room for hardware). The corners of these bezels would make room for the quad speakers (which should be nice and loud, although maybe not quite as over-the-top as the razer phone with how much space those took up), and the top bezel would also have plenty of room for front-facing cameras and light sensors. The bottom bezel would have the tactile navigation buttons.
The slideout keyboard would be similar to what the old Droids had with 5 rows (numbers on top, 3 rows of letters, bottom row with spacebar/special keys) and the d-pad/trackball would be similar to what the old HTC Desire Z had. It would be backlit with variable colors (controlled through an app).
Appearance wouldn't be anything too crazy, I envision it looking somewhat similar to the Razer phone (although with black carbon fiber or gold kevlar) with a textured finish so it's not going to slide out of your hand. It should be very durable (if I get a case, should just be a slim rubber thing to prevent scratching and scuffing) so if I fumble my phone and it tumbles on concrete, should have minor cosmetic damage at worst. The device should be water and dust resistant (even if I have to keep the keyboard closed to keep dust out of the slider), and I should be able to clean any dust out of the mechanism by rinsing the phone under a water tap. This would likely be the biggest challenge, but should still be possible if electronics are properly treated and given proper coatings. Case should be easy to open with a screwdriver, no glue or plastic clips. Battery doesn't have to be quick swap as long as it's easy to replace by just removing screws.
Anyways, that's my dream phone. What's yours?
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If you could have your perfect dream phone in 2018,...
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I don't see why new threads regarding the Dream Smartphone and similar is needed when the following 2 threads already covers this topic...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475908
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1491271
Just my Member opinion...
or should I state "My Dream Thread Topic" Opinion... LMAO!
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Thanks for sharing those threads, but the first one looks like more of a list of existing phones people want (which wasn't really what I was going for) and the other is 6 years old.
The point of this thread is to see what people would want in a smartphone if they could effectively design it themselves using modern hardware.
eric.clay42 said:
Thanks for sharing those threads, but the first one looks like more of a list of existing phones people want (which wasn't really what I was going for) and the other is 6 years old.
The point of this thread is to see what people would want in a smartphone if they could effectively design it themselves using modern hardware.
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Hmmm, there's this current dream phone thread as well, just a few threads below yours,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/off-topic/imaginary-dream-phone-t3538365
I'll close this one. :good: