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Xperia X1 CPU vs Omnia i900 CPU

hello
Xperia X1 has a Qualcomm MSM7200 528MHz processor and Omnia i900 has a 624MHz Marvell PXA312 processor , now the question is :
Xperia cpu has the top speed or Omnia Cpu ???
please answer with full detail and full info !!!
thanks

ofcource omnia has a faster cpu

xperia in my opinion is suffering from not optimal firmware..
however i have seen a video online about xperia vs touch pro when switching landscape to port. , xperia wins..
what do u intend to use the phone for most impt.

CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.

samy.3660 said:
ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
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thanks but i need full details !!!

May i know why my Quake 3 only running 1fps on my xperia?

mcbyte_it said:
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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you right !!!
i want to now xperia x1 has top speed and top performance or Omnia i900 !!!
xperia have 256mb ram and omnia have 128mb ram !!!

I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.

Der_Immitanz_konverter said:
I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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thanks ! nice !!
command , more info , you can do it !!!

CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster

leobox1 said:
frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!

xxl2005 said:
yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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I have to disagree on this one.
Of course there are hundreds of important facts, how the CPU is processing the data, which structure it is using, what processes can be outsourced, how they are transferred and so on.
But these are concerns of the processor type and its environment.
The MHz say, how many operations the CPU can do per second. That is the only indication of its real speed.
Just think about the car industry. If you want to compare the power of an engine to another, everything that counts is the power. There are thousands of reasons why the car with the weaker engine could be faster than the other (maybe the stronger engine is built in a truck or what else).
But you wanted to compare the engines, so the most powerful wins.
I'm sure, the opener of the thread rather wanted to hear about the overall phone speed, but then he asked the wrong question.

i remember he powerpc cpu used to be lower than p4 but used to run a lot faster. i think the ram is the bigger factor between these 2 handsets. i know the x1 has a due core cpu, not sure on the other handset.
correct me if im wrong but these are both based on the same arm cpu right?

damskie said:
CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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Just like the old AMD 64 series CPU's beat Intel Pentium 4 chips which ran at a way higher clockspeed?
Get the facts straight before posting ignorant posts like that. Pure clockspeed has nothing to do with overall performance of a CPU.

Non scientific answer here, but ive got both phones.
The omnia on the stock Vodafone UK rom was slow as ya like to the point where the phone was almost useless.
Both phones with cooked roms on them perform about the same.
Personal winner... cant choose, omnia better as a phone, x1 better as a pda, not amazed by either.

lol not amazed by either

Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.

Hi,
i used to have both phone and i have used them and test them a lot.
for processors mhz doesn't mean anything sine a long time now.That why industry has creatd mips instead of frequency . Why ? for instance take a pentium 1 266mhz and a pentium 1 mmx 266mhz. same frequency but p1 mmx was way faster because of optimise instructions inside the cpu itself. Don't forgot we speak for frenquency about cpu cycles. before it was 1 cpu cycle = one simple operation since mmx 1cpu cycle severals operations. So you can have a very high frequency processor which can do worst than a lesser frenquency one. Compare Pentium 2 400mhz with a G3 266 mhz. G3 had the same performance. Why? not the same technology inside. A core 2 duo 1.8gz will outperform an p4 4 ghz even with more than 2ghz frenquency difference!!!
So to come back to the thread. omnia 1 arm cpu. xperia qualcomm 2700a.
2700a = dual core processor with integrated gpu. 1 core for the pda 1 core for the phone and 1 core for the 3d graphic cards( omnia doesn't have an accelerated graphic card.) So with the actual firmware we can say that omnia has reached the maximum of its capabilities. Which is not true with the xperia.
in cpu benchmark the two are about equals. But xperia is faster in all the other domain like memory access ...better multitasking on xperia.
for example on omnia when using their touchscroll music player if you got a lot of music the music will stop during the scrolling because scrolling" iphone like" takes a lot of ram....
the truth is that it's better to have more ram and a less powerfull processor than having a powerfull processor and no ram.
after a lot of testing i have sold my omnia and kept my xperia.
it's only my opinion with the test i made.
cheers.

NuShrike said:
Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
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divx playback with the integrated player was shocking. Packets of pixels everywhere...thx coreplayer to play divx so well!! and the resolution is a bit too small 240*400.
only samsung phone are divx certified... maybe because the other construtor didn't ask for the certification.

Droid/Milestones' weak graphic performance. OC possible?

The Droid2/X use the same graphic processor as Droid 1, which is PowerVR SGX 530. According to the datasheet, this core is designed to run at 200Mhz with power of rendering 14M triangles/sec. But our Droid/Milestone runs underclocked at 110Mhz(7M tri/s) while D2/X at 200Mhz. That leads to major UI responsiveness&gaming difference between D2&D1.
I wonder if there's any possibility to overclock the GPU as well?
Thanks in advance.
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TeroZ said:
The Droid2/X use the same graphic processor as Droid 1, which is PowerVR SGX 530. According to the datasheet, this core is designed to run at 200Mhz with power of rendering 14M triangles/sec. But our Droid/Milestone runs underclocked at 110Mhz(7M tri/s) while D2/X at 200Mhz. That leads to major UI responsiveness&gaming difference between D2&D1.
I wonder if there's any possibility to overclock the GPU as well?
Thanks in advance.
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As far as I know this has been tried (overclocking), but with no results (constant reboots)

Imagination Technologies (PowerVR) defines the GPU internals and sells the "plans" for the part, to be included in SOCs like TI's OMAP.
But PowerVR does not, however, define the exact clocks at which the parts should run, nor other things like number of memory channels, memory speed, etc.
Texas Instruments are the ones who defined the GPU clocks. The OMAP 34xx chips (Droid 1, Milestone, XT720, Flipout, etc) are made using 65nm process, and that determines a certain power consumption using certain clocks, hence why they defined a ~100MHz clock for the GPU and ~600-800MHz for the CPU.
The OMAP 36xx (Droid X, Droid 2, Defy, etc) are made using a newer, smaller 45nm process, which allows them to run at higher speeds while spending approx. the same power, which is why Texas Instruments decided to clock the GPU at ~200MHz and the CPU at ~1-1.2GHz.
So it's not like the Milestones and Droids have their GPUs underclocked, those are just their factory clocks.
Of course, overclocking the GPU would be nice and it could be possible. If someone found out how to change the GPU's voltage and clocks, I'm sure it could come in handy in future games.
However, right now, the 1st gen Milestones/Droids are running every high-end HD game from gameloft at full speed, and I bet it'll even do Infinity Blade and other UE3 games when they're out for Android.
Every "HD" Android game has to be compatible with the 1st-gen Snapdragon's GPU, the Adreno 200, which is a lot slower than the SGX530 @ 100MHz, so we're sitting confortably above the base spec for now. And with all the Windows Mobile 7 phones coming with a 1st-gen Snapdragon (mandatory requirement), it'll be like this for a while.
So there's really not a big need for overclocking the GPU right now, except for getting higher scores in mobile benchmarks (some of them terribly unoptimized, like GLBenchmark 1.1 and 2.0).
Furthermore, I it seems the first factor to limit the 1st-gen Droids in games will be the RAM amount.
The first UE3-based game for Android is already out, and it requires 512MB of RAM.
So the game runs on Nexus One and not on a Droid/Milestone, which has far superior graphics performance.
(I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the fact that Android doesn't allow graphics buffering in the main memory, though, which could be resolved in future firmware revisions).
Then again, overclocking the GPU would be cool, and I'm pretty sure getting our SGX530 to work @ ~200MHz would significantly increase the gaming longevity of our phones for quite a while.

Thanks for your useful and important reply.
"The Manhattan Project" on Galaxy S Series just made me curious about Droid's gpu oc, because SGS also use a PowerVR gpu. But things isn't easy due to a fact that one is made by TI while another is made by samsung, the structure inside both SoCs may be completely different.
But I still hope someone capable would try something on this.
That's really cool and significantly lengthen the lifetime of our Droid and Milestone.
Thx again for your reply!
PS: I also felt strange why the UI(not games) on N1 is faster than an OCed droid, could it be the optimization problem?
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TeroZ said:
PS: I also felt strange why the UI(not games) on N1 is faster than an OCed droid, could it be the optimization problem?
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Definitely part of the optimization --a fast ROM with a good theme like the Droid X theme on the GOT 2.2.1 ROM has as fast a GUI as I've encountered on Android, even without overclock.

Also take in consideration that all the current 2.1 and 2.2 roms have a cap of 30fps in 2D, perhaps when the final 2.2 update arrives there will be some perfomance gain
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[Q] Difference between armv6-800MHz and armv7-1024MHz

I am bit confused ,
There is only a difference of 200 MHz and a armv7 processor can handle much more than a armv6 processor.
Many games today releases for armv7 or for the phones with 1024MHz processors,
My x8 reaches a top of 806MHz,
As an example,
i played GTA 3 without sound,
with increment of 200MHz others can play even gta Vice city with HD.
I gonna be mad, whats wrong here,
Please someone elaborate!!!

Difference between these 2 types of processors is not just about CPUClock, arm7 processors also have a hidden memory called "cache memory" ,this memory is expensive & absolutely super-fast so CPU don't have to wait for data to transfer from RAM (slow compared to cache mem)
This cache memory in armv7 devices is about 1 megabytes, but in armv6 its just afew kilobytes
It's not just cache, CPU design in armv7 is different ,some games use special libs which is included in armv7 roms, etc,etc........
More info:
http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/21137/difference-between-armv6-armv7-processors
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ifference+between+armv6+&+armv7&hl=en&ct=clnk
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The differences between armv6-800 and armv7-1000 is NOT only the 200MHz.
The real difference is the processor design. The armv6 is older design (on x8 this is an arm1136 core), the armv7 is newer with more "knowledge". More complex instruction sets (the armv7 have special instructions what we not have) higher IPC (instructions per clocks), etc... Example: our x8 have an arm1136 core (possible to overclock to 800MHz), the xperia mini have scorpion core (similar to the popular cortex a9 design, but a little bit faster) what is 1GHz on default. But the scorpion core have newer float point unit (vfpv3 againt our vfp), have the armv7a addons in the instruction set, have the NEON extension (what is an audio/video proccessing accelerator), have the thumb-2 extensions (what is double fast than the old thumb-1) and finally: have newer GPU (adreno 205 against our adreno 200, what is theoretically have double computing speed).
So, if you compare the two phones, you can see: on paper the differences is small (400MHz (only 200 with oc) in cpu speed, near same gpu, same resolution), but with heavyweight apps (usually the hd games) the mini can be 2-3 times faster than our phone.

Intel Chip

Hello everyone
I've been reading for a few days in this forum about the Motorola Razr i
I certainly found interesting articles but strangely I have found that very few refer to the Intel chip
just as I have been looking about the chip of "Motorola Razr i" and found a curious comment
"Medfield z2460 was meant to test the waters and is the reason why it was launched in india and not the US. Just a precursor to the medfield z2580. The z2580 and Clovertrail will be offered in dual core variants (not to mention quad core for clover trail) and will ditch the imagination technologies sgx 540 for an sgx 544 mp2 which runs 34 [email protected] mhz.
The sgx 540 gets 6.4 gfllops @400mhz . The adreno 225 runs at 24.5 [email protected] 400mhz and the tegra 3 (t30l or t33) gpu runs 13 [email protected] mhz. So being that 6.4gflops vs 24.5gflops is relative to 202% what do you think happens with 34 gflops vs 24.5 gflops? Plus the s4 is 103 mflops single threaded while medfield z2460 is 90 mflops single threaded on the cpu side. That's pretty close. Dual core comparison with sgx544 might actually be superior and at a higher process node (32nm vs 28nm), and that's with an in order instruction set vs ARM's out of order. I don't see how you get "x86 Atom has very slim chances when taking on Qualcomm’s ARM processors or any other new generation ARM mobile CPU from Samsung or Nvidia" with that info. Your talking a gpu and a core.
Come spring they go out of order, not to mention ditching 5 year old architecture for silvermont, 22nm process and inclusion of intel hd gpu with 40 to 80 gflops (depending on eu count) and you think there will be no competition? Even the apq8064 adreno 320 only has approx 40-45 gflops but that doesn't include the modem so higher tdp .
Maybe the exynos 5250 with mali [email protected] 68 gflops will be a threat given release schedule but still, nearly matching single threaded performance with the best chip on the market (and with 5 year old architecture), and beating every ARM chip to date in java script for a first try/test the waters offering? Swap a gpu and add a core and its game on. And adding new architecture, 22nm, out of order instruction and hd graphics and ARM might have a problem until 64 bit ARM v8."
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My question is How true is this?
not publish the link to the site because I do not know if this is right in this forum.
I apologize for possible flaws in my English.

I'm having a super-smooth experience, so yeah, the hyper-threaded single-core chip is doing a very fine job compared to the ARM competitors.
But is it true that Intel will go out-of-order for their next architecture? Because the whole point behind Atom processors was to take advantage of Intel's advanced lithography and well tought architecture, then simplify it to make it consume much less energy (and go from out-of-order to in-order was one of those simplifications).

Well I always thought Intel smartphone chips were more powerful CPU wise but gpu wise its behind.
And christ you can quote all the figures you like but it doesn't mean it'll actually reach that. Its what the individual parts can achieve.
Put them into a phone and reduce the power consumption to an acceptable level = a lot less than quoted figures
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[Q] Chainfire3D and Tegra 3

I heard, read and saw some things about the nvidia drivers for tegra 3 being sluggish.
Is it possible that our poor results "tegra3" facing exynos soc could be consequence of the nvidia drivers, since many games are optimized for qualcomm and only few for tegra3. So is it possible to mess with the gpu drivers and get a little extra juice out of it?

Compwxr said:
I heard, read and saw some things about the nvidia drivers for tegra 3 being sluggish.
Is it possible that our poor results "tegra3" facing exynos soc could be consequence of the nvidia drivers, since many games are optimized for qualcomm and only few for tegra3. So is it possible to mess with the gpu drivers and get a little extra juice out of it?
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If you compare (and i have it done...) the process power of the Tegra 3 vs Exynos, on, for example, ANTUTU, you will see that in PROCESS power we have more much potential, on the GPU side, our LG 4X HD has a freq cap on the GPU that make it runs max to 416Mhz, and that is to low, the HTC One X+ runs at 520Mhz and at that freq, Tegra 3 can reach the GPU power of the MALI 400 GPU, but in processing power, we have more...