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How come HTC put a 4MP camera in the One?

Whenever manufacturers pull unexpected moves, I always get a bit curious as to why. Now, I'm perfectly aware of that megapixels doesn't mean much for the outcome of the photo, but it seems that because of the low MP in the HTC One camera, the pictures don't seem to end up as detailed as in 13MP shooters, and the low MP show again when you zoom the photo.
I'm still getting this phone, though. It's the only one that's interesting right now. Lagdung can take a hike.

Good to see that you have seen the light. I flurted briefly with an s3 which was not a bad device but doesn't compare with the 'one.'
The camera has it's pluses and minuses compared with other top end devices but, for me at least, the pluses considerably outweigh the minuses.
I am confident that you won't be disappointed.

Do you use your phone to snap pics of your mates down the pub? 4Mp with 2um sensor pixel is perfect. Fast shutter even in low light and decent file size.
Do you use it to go out and capture windswept vistas at the finest detail level possible? If so then there isn't a phone camera out there that will do them real justice - take the Canon and do the job properly.
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Tetsumi06 said:
Do you use your phone to snap pics of your mates down the pub? 4Mp with 2um sensor pixel is perfect. Fast shutter even in low light and decent file size.
Do you use it to go out and capture windswept vistas at the finest detail level possible? If so then there isn't a phone camera out there that will do them real justice - take the Canon and do the job properly.
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actually there might be one phone Nokia 808 lol

Correction: 4UP not 4MP
anyway, the camera is pretty good for general use, as long as you dont always keep zooming in on the images. quality is fine. at least it blows the Nexus 4 camera out of the water

The larger pixel size equates to a faster shutter speed that makes sense. Pictures are so good.

Theshawty said:
Whenever manufacturers pull unexpected moves, I always get a bit curious as to why. Now, I'm perfectly aware of that megapixels doesn't mean much for the outcome of the photo, but it seems that because of the low MP in the HTC One camera, the pictures don't seem to end up as detailed as in 13MP shooters, and the low MP show again when you zoom the photo.
I'm still getting this phone, though. It's the only one that's interesting right now. Lagdung can take a hike.
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Lagdung? Is that like slow crap? LOL Uh oh, I have a laggy dung

IINexusII said:
Correction: 4UP not 4MP
anyway, the camera is pretty good for general use, as long as you dont always keep zooming in on the images. quality is fine. at least it blows the Nexus 4 camera out of the water
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Many cameras blow the N4's one out of the water. It's crap.
californiarailroader said:
Lagdung? Is that like slow crap? LOL Uh oh, I have a laggy dung
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Lagdung = A nickname I made up for Samsung.
bobsie41 said:
Good to see that you have seen the light. I flurted briefly with an s3 which was not a bad device but doesn't compare with the 'one.'
The camera has it's pluses and minuses compared with other top end devices but, for me at least, the pluses considerably outweigh the minuses.
I am confident that you won't be disappointed.
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I hope so too.

The 808 comes with a 30-300 lense? How do you fit it in your pocket?
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LOL!

4 is definitely enough for day to day shots.
But my 808. Wow. No comparison
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Don't forget about OIS. Obviously that helps with videos, but it seems to really help stabilize the hand for quick shots as well.

[Q] Q. Moto G (2nd Gen) front camera issue

Loving my new moto g. The camera has improved in many ways when compared to gen1. However, whenever I click pictures with the front camera especially when not in sunlight the picture comes shaky and blur. I attached a screenshot of how the pic is supposed(screenshot in the camera app) to come n how it ends up coming.
P.s.- I don't have shaky hands

Probably the front camera aperture is not wide enough to take pictures with faster shutter in low light situations. If it sets the shutter speed too low a minimal shake will make your pic blur.
Edit :Can you see what ISO, aperture and shutter speed is being used (check picture details)?

Front camera is one of the worst components on android phones...
Even the rear camera is not that great on the majority of android phones, so nothing to expect that on the new moto g that the front camera would be anything better...

Kunal5894 said:
Loving my new moto g. The camera has improved in many ways when compared to gen1. However, whenever I click pictures with the front camera especially when not in sunlight the picture comes shaky and blur. I attached a screenshot of how the pic is supposed(screenshot in the camera app) to come n how it ends up coming.
P.s.- I don't have shaky hands
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Download Google Camera From playstore. Image quality is better than the stock camera app .

Shubham84 said:
Download Google Camera From playstore. Image quality is better than the stock camera app .
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Does it improve even the front facing camera ? Could someone please upload a picture taken with the Google Camera and one with the Stock Camera app so we can check the differences ;D ?

Marakatu said:
Does it improve even the front facing camera ? Could someone please upload a picture taken with the Google Camera and one with the Stock Camera app so we can check the differences ;D ?
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that would be very nice, to make a comparison...

Marakatu said:
Could someone please upload a picture taken with the Google Camera and one with the Stock Camera app so we can check the differences ;D ?
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It would take you a second to do the same thing. Don't be lazy m8.
Sadly mine isn't here yet (on pre-order in UK, releases on the 15th. My original Moto G broke a couple of days ago too so it was just as well this is releasing.)

I have a problem with the front camera. In low light condition, my camera suffers a delay in comparison of reality, as if it was lag. Anyone else with this same problem?

josesaiz said:
I have a problem with the front camera. In low light condition, my camera suffers a delay in comparison of reality, as if it was lag. Anyone else with this same problem?
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Yes , I got the moto g 2 like 5 days back
And I do face the lag on the front camera

Syhota said:
It would take you a second to do the same thing. Don't be lazy m8.
Sadly mine isn't here yet (on pre-order in UK, releases on the 15th. My original Moto G broke a couple of days ago too so it was just as well this is releasing.)
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I would do it if mine was with me. Still didn't receive it.
Once I get my hands on it I'll do it and post it here ;D

Marakatu said:
I would do it if mine was with me. Still didn't receive it.
Once I get my hands on it I'll do it and post it here ;D
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Finally dispatched at like 5:15pm today.
Says it'll be here between Thursday and Friday. Don't want to wait so long

Camera sensor is sony??

I read some infos in google but dont know whats sensor comes with turbo/maxx, anyone confirms anything?

Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.

prking07 said:
Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing

matheus_sc said:
I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
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It is 100% for certain a Sony sensor. It is the same as the Z2 and Z3. Sony has different optics and better camera drivers/software.

The Z2 and Z3 don't have the same sensor.....

thegrants82 said:
The Z2 and Z3 don't have the same sensor.....
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Yes they do and if we want to go further with it, so does the Z1. They differ in optics. Reading material for you:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3_compact-review-1135p8.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-camera-samples-from-the-Motorola-DROID-Turbo_id62258
IMX220
Sony Xperia Z1
Sony Xperia Z1 Compact
Sony Xperia Z2
Sony Xperia Z3
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact
Meizu MX4
Fun fact: The Z3V is the same sensor and optics setup as the Z2.

I'm personally glad it's sony hardware without sony's software post processing

zed011 said:
I'm personally glad it's sony hardware without sony's software post processing
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I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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matheus_sc said:
I read some infos in google but dont know whats sensor comes with turbo/maxx, anyone confirms anything?
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Think its the same sony sensor from xperia z3.
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I think that too but no ones from. Motooola confirmes nothing
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Indeed I was researcing the same some months ago before purchasing the Maxx, and although no one can confirm it, it was obvious for me after I spend a lot of time looking for some information.
First place, the resolution is not so common, so there are no many sensors on the market with it. Second, actual resolution it is 20.7M and not 21M. Often, most of companies just round the numbers up to keep it simple. Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
The other possible option was the IMX230, but it is not released yet as far as I know.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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Galaxo60 said:
I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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Are you sure about this? Sony has not been praised for their post processing because it is noisy and grainy.Also the colours are a little washed out compared to the competition and is colder in colour temperature. The ISO is pumped up absurdly high for night shots as well creating noise and artifacts. I have always felt sony's post processing especially in their auto mode is what is holding them back. This doesn't mean nobody can get good shots but when put into perspective by using a competitor's camera side by side it is hard to argue for sony. The shots look good when not being compared to another camera.
Also someone was upset enough to create a petition for them to fix their software.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony
Sony handheld cameras are great but their mobile division is a different story. I don't think they even work together that's how disjointed that company is.

zed011 said:
Are you sure about this? Sony has not been praised for their post processing because it is noisy and grainy.Also the colours are a little washed out compared to the competition and is colder in colour temperature. The ISO is pumped up absurdly high for night shots as well creating noise and artifacts. I have always felt sony's post processing especially in their auto mode is what is holding them back. This doesn't mean nobody can get good shots but when put into perspective by using a competitor's camera side by side it is hard to argue for sony. The shots look good when not being compared to another camera.
Also someone was upset enough to create a petition for them to fix their software.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony
Sony handheld cameras are great but their mobile division is a different story. I don't think they even work together that's how disjointed that company is.
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I know 2 persons who had Z series and the pictures were really nice, I mean, I'm not saying that Maxx's camera is bad, but I have seen many times that for a "top" sensor, I'm not getting the quality I should; many times I feel that my Nexus 5 take better pictures.
Also I don't know if this is regarding the resolution I use, because I'm not using the full resolution, I'm using 15.5M (16:9) resolution. Would be nice to know if quality is also determined by this factor.

Have you compared pictures against the Nexus 5?
Like I said for sony and many other phones with good cameras, the pictures look good by themselves. When you really compare and examine the details by taking the same picture and cropping to compare do you really see the differences that you cannot see at a glance as easily.
I have G3 which I will compare it against soon. I have taken a few shots against my 2013 Moto X and without a doubt it is far better in detail and lighting as well as white balance.

Galaxo60 said:
I'm not, because without that software, photos are still mediocre comparing to those who can get the Z series with the same sensor.
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Indeed I was researcing the same some months ago before purchasing the Maxx, and although no one can confirm it, it was obvious for me after I spend a lot of time looking for some information.
First place, the resolution is not so common, so there are no many sensors on the market with it. Second, actual resolution it is 20.7M and not 21M. Often, most of companies just round the numbers up to keep it simple. Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
The other possible option was the IMX230, but it is not released yet as far as I know.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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So...the software isn't what makes the camera perform well. It is the sensor, optics and the driver. The sensor and optics aren't our issue, neither is the software. Its the driver. Unfortunately, this isn't a strong field for Motorola and never has been.
Oh and it *is* the 220, same as the Z1,Z2,Z3. There is no question about it.

That was what I meant when saying "software"; sometimes I don't know the precise words.
Anyway, does someone can confirm or deny that changing the resolution from 4:3 to 16:9 would reduce drastically the quality of the photo?.
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Galaxo60 said:
That was what I meant when saying "software"; sometimes I don't know the precise words.
Anyway, does someone can confirm or deny that changing the resolution from 4:3 to 16:9 would reduce drastically the quality of the photo?.
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Not enough to matter IMO.

I can confirm that changing the resolution does not affect the quality of the picture the 16/9 it's just a 4/3 photo cropped
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All is 5248 x 3936 - so most likely it is‼

I dont think câmera is mediocre, here https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157649533856771/

matheus_sc said:
I dont think câmera is mediocre, here https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157649533856771/
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It isn't. The driver is.

Galaxo60 said:
I Third and final one, this camera has no OIS, so for elimination and conclusion, the only sensor that fulfill this specs it is the IMX220.
I think there is still plenty of room for improvement, but we have to take in mind that Motorola is really young in image processing software.
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Google made Motorola put in OIS for the Motorola Nexus 6, since the LG Nexus 5 (based on the excellent LG phones) had it.
I know that's only a 13 MP camera, but I would gladly trade the pixels for OIS. The lack of OIS keeps this phone from being perfect.
My goodness -- 5.2" 1440p/Snapdragon 805/3GB RAM/turbo charging (also like the Nexus 6)/Qi wireless charging (like the Nexus 6, but very important to me as my Nexus 5 had it) . I'm pretty sure the 5.2" Shamu protoype had the 13MP OIS rear camera. Shame Motorola did not keep that.

adrynalyne said:
It isn't. The driver is.
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Not the driver, the post processing.
The camera is great but we don't have any kind of settings to take advantage of it.
Even with third part app the configurations are limited.
I have hope in Lollipop with manual camera. (or i'll sell my Maxx and buy an Xperia again)

OP3 featuring Sony IMX298 camera hardware?

So, apparently the camera will be Sony IMX298
With a good OIS and IR focus this could be as good as Mi5 or Lg G4 camera
Source http://www.oppomart.com/oneplus/3/oneplus-3.html

Let me try french. which science of programming are you stuck on

vonvacc said:
Let me try french. which science of programming are you stuck on
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Bootloop
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vonvacc said:
Let me try french. which science of programming are you stuck on
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excuse me?

That spec list is completely fake. It is certain that it will use Omnivision sensor for front camera and probably for the rear one. Probably it will use the latest and greatest OV16860 from OV wich has very large pixel, anti color crosstalk and good resolution/noise ratio

Whatever, no OIS no party, no IR no party

oile said:
That spec list is completely fake. It is certain that it will use Omnivision sensor for front camera and probably for the rear one. Probably it will use the latest and greatest OV16860 from OV wich has very large pixel, anti color crosstalk and good resolution/noise ratio
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If it's using the OV16860 then we get [email protected] video.
The Moto G Plus has an OV16860 with f2.0 lens and does well enough. I'm expecting more from the 3.

Guess what?
not bad

bad bad bad selfie quality!!!

Got my p4xl 2 days ago, what is this garbage front camera?!
Faces loss details, whats happened to Google?!
Last p3xl was the best selfie camera!
Why f 2.0? Why 25 mm len?
Very disappointed, my op7 pro with gcam has better results, better battery life and half price.... Google this year you lost the game...

avivasaf said:
Got my p4xl 2 days ago, what is this garbage front camera?!
Faces loss details, whats happened to Google?!
Last p3xl was the best selfie camera!
Why f 2.0? Why 25 mm len?
Very disappointed, my op7 pro with gcam has better results, better battery life and half price.... Google this year you lost the game...
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Cool story, bro!

Did you disable the skin smoothing that's on by default? Also the update is supposed to improve selfie camera.

PuffinNugz said:
Did you disable the skin smoothing that's on by default? Also the update is supposed to improve selfie camera.
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Disable smooth skin, did update
Sharpness so bad especially at indoor/low light
P3xl did great work, p4xl distorted it

Front camera :no shapness

avivasaf said:
Front camera :no shapness
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Haha really dude??
Think you missed the point with a front camera if you're taking pics like that with it..

tigercranestyle said:
And maybe I'm missing something as I'm not a photography nerd, but why is the picture only 2.8 megapixels? Can't seem to do anything in settings to make the selfie cam go from 8 to 2.8 megapixels.
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Definitely something wrong, that info shows it's in the download folder and only 265kb. That's not straight from the camera. Like someone sent it as an MMS and it was downloaded.

tigercranestyle said:
And maybe I'm missing something as I'm not a photography nerd, but why is the picture only 2.8 megapixels? Can't seem to do anything in settings to make the selfie cam go from 8 to 2.8 megapixels.
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This is the upload file to xda! Not the real taken photo!!!

Fille84 said:
Haha really dude??
Think you missed the point with a front camera if you're taking pics like that with it..
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Before you come to any conclusion, the point is the selfie camera didnt improved in px4xl it worse now.
I photo behind me not myself and this was the results just to show how is the quality!!!
You guy need to try more phones if you like this front camera...

tigercranestyle said:
Yep. Forgot to mention that also. Always seems to be the OnePlus folks... and not just here. Also Reddit. There is a lot of them.
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I switched from oneplus that knowing Google is better, not this time...
Sorry but i needed to believe the reviews even the front facing camera didnt mention there...
The rear camera is the best out there for sure, but why Google went down in the specs of front camera?!
The battery also needed to improve better, we are in 2019 not 2016,Google needs to make 4000ma batteries and more, this is one of the most important things for users.
Everybody says front facing camera is not important as rear, but you can see people at the street, when traveling always makes selfie photos, so you need to improve it also or not make it less better than your previous phone

Got to say I'm pretty impressed by the sharpness regarding contours on my end. You're definitely using the cam the wrong way, or got a faulty sensor.
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Now you have explain for the nonsharp photo??? Dont answer, because you dont have answers!!!

I just took three shots, one with smoothness off, one on, and one portrait. ALL of them look REALLY good. 'shrugs'

tigercranestyle said:
Yeah... no. The front-facing camera isn't 6 megapixels either. If anything other than some upset OnePlus user, it must be user error.
The ffc isn't 2.8 megapixels and it's not 6 megapixels. It's also not 3.14159265359 megapixels.
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So try to shoot one photo and see the information you get, this is what i got. The phone is original bought at Saturn Germany

tigercranestyle said:
Yeah... no. The front-facing camera isn't 6 megapixels either. If anything other than some upset OnePlus user, it must be user error.
The ffc isn't 2.8 megapixels and it's not 6 megapixels. It's also not 3.14159265359 megapixels.
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It would be great to see a proof that you got something else

tigercranestyle said:
Test.
You're right about xda upload changing the megapixel size of the photo. I was wondering about that.
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But see the details in the original photo you are taking its 6M not 8M,strange...

avivasaf said:
But see the details in the original photo you are taking its 6M not 8M,strange...
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I checked in photos taken with my old px3xl details got 8M!!!another **** in px4xl?!

tigercranestyle said:
Have no problem admitting I was wrong about uploading to xda changing the megapixels. Attaching a photo of my post indicating that I was wrong.
Again, are you rooted? Everyone else had no problem with ffc but you. Are you rooted?
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Im not rooted! Again, take a selfie photo look at the details of the photo, its i inside a circle and tell me please what is the size of photo you shooted 6M or 8M?

tigercranestyle said:
I said I was wrong about the megapixels, but you don't have a Pixel 4 xl.
You're not rooted? Yet you're using three button navigation and your home button is missing the circle around the home button that has been present since the first Pixel xl. Pic is attached showing your navbar and what it looks like with three button navigation enabled on the pixel 4 xl. You're likely using a phone with a skimmed down version on Android on another phone. You're navigation bar looks similiar to the one on the Essential phone without the circle around the nav bar. I've attached a pic of that as well.
Also your clock is supposed to be on the left side. Signal and battery are supposed to be on the right. Pic is attached of how it's supposed to look.
Was going to say that your Google Lens icon is missing, but it's not available in Israel.
Anyhow, chances are is that you're using some random Gcam mod that you've posted about in the past.
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What are you saying?! In Hebrew the buttons and the clock are opposite to English, im using pixel 4 xl 2 days brand new, attached my system details!

Lack of sharpness is probably more like lack of focus. The front facing camera is fixed focus. It's no different than my Pixel 2 XL and both do fine for me. You gotta hold it a little steadier. Something that helps is using the 3 second timer so tapping the on screen shutter or the volume button don't produce extra movement.
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