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At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the LeEco Le Pro3's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

4 stars? This camera is on par with phones from 5 years ago, especially when things get dark.

4 stars as well, better or equal than iPhone 7 but weaker than the likes of Pixel, Galaxy S7/S8, HTC. Tip: Just use Google Camera App.

Has anyone else seen a "haze" effect when shots are taken at night with the flash? I have tried multiple camera apps and they all produce the same effect. Whenever there is very low lighting and the flash is turned on I almost get this haze on every single photo. However if pitch black this does not happen and I get a perfect photo with flash as expected.

just use a custom nougat rom and modded google camera. then the camera is decent. 4 stars from me

This is 100% stock LEX727 on 21s update.
It was kind of foggy last night.

Ascertion said:
This is 100% stock LEX727 on 21s update.
It was kind of foggy last night.
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Install a nougat ROM and google camera enable auto hdr and be amazed!

The IMX298 takes some pretty sub-par night shots. I was trying to take pics of a half moon and full, hazy moon. Looked amazing to the naked eye but the Pro3 Elite couldn't capture the full details of the moon, unfortunately. See here:
https://ibb.co/hguYaG
https://ibb.co/hOoRvG <---- My best night shot with this phone to date
https://ibb.co/fBsmvG
I'm using an unrooted phone with unmodified Gcam (for 6.0) and VSCO. I also tried Open Camera but it's not as good. I wonder if Camera2 API makes a difference for low light and night shots.

sk8223 said:
The IMX298 takes some pretty sub-par night shots. I was trying to take pics of a half moon and full, hazy moon. Looked amazing to the naked eye but the Pro3 Elite couldn't capture the full details of the moon, unfortunately. See here:
https://ibb.co/hguYaG
https://ibb.co/hOoRvG <---- My best night shot with this phone to date
https://ibb.co/fBsmvG
I'm using an unrooted phone with unmodified Gcam (for 6.0) and VSCO. I also tried Open Camera but it's not as good. I wonder if Camera2 API makes a difference for low light and night shots.
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So why you going to complain when this is related everywhere and we'll known. This is also why a lot of people root just to install gcam. To get a better camera experience. Judging by your comments you know this already.

cas8180 said:
So why you going to complain when this is related everywhere and we'll known. This is also why a lot of people root just to install gcam. To get a better camera experience. Judging by your comments you know this already.
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It does a worse job in low light than the Zenfone 3, which has the same sensor and a poorer processor (Snapdragon 625).

Use Open Camera for low light the app makes it bright

A phone is a phone camera phone all of them have a tiny tiny sensor.
No professional or semi professional would use a camera phone for their work.
Phone camera are for those quick friends pictures when you may not have camera.
I do wildlife photography I would never use this phone for that.
This camera an fair to camera.
Sent from my LEX720 using xda premium

mchlbenner said:
A phone is a phone camera phone all of them have a tiny tiny sensor.
No professional or semi professional would use a camera phone for their work.
Phone camera are for those quick friends pictures when you may not have camera.
I do wildlife photography I would never use this phone for that.
This camera an fair to camera.
Sent from my LEX720 using xda premium
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A lot of smartphone sensors are just getting better and better, sometimes on par with older DSLRs. The Pixel 2, for example. As the Pixel line's Visual Core chip, and smartphone sensors in general continue improving, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use a smartphone for some professional photography in the future.
Obviously a Pixel 2 doesn't compare to a $20k Hasselblad, but it's an interesting comparison nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTnYi_HW2o

Google Camera 4.4 HDR+ or Gcam 5.1 also works on Nougat and Oreo should do good job even in low light

It's below average at this point. It was already far behind the Oneplus 3 or Mi5s in 2016 in low light.
I compared it to the iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, Redmi Pro (same sensor as Redmi Note 4) and LG V30. The Le Pro 3 only beats the Redmi Pro in low light but it's not a huge victory. Even the 2015 iPhone 6s Plus is muuuch better.
The Redmi Note 5 is likely much better with its much improved camera.

433Mhz said:
It's below average at this point. It was already far behind the Oneplus 3 or Mi5s in 2016 in low light.
I compared it to the iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, Redmi Pro (same sensor as Redmi Note 4) and LG V30. The Le Pro 3 only beats the Redmi Pro in low light but it's not a huge victory. Even the 2015 iPhone 6s Plus is muuuch better.
The Redmi Note 5 is likely much better with its much improved camera.
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It uses the same sensor as op3 & 3t but just lacks OIS. It's not really behind OP3/3T in hardware level. So, the only difference is the software and if you use a custom ROM with right GCam 5 port with right settings, you can actually take some really good photos even in low light conditions.

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It uses the same sensor as op3 & 3t but just lacks OIS. It's not really behind OP3/3T in hardware level. So, the only difference is the software and if you use a custom ROM with right GCam 5 port with right settings, you can actually take some really good photos even in low light conditions.
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I find it a shame that most who have smartphone lepro3 does not dare to post their photos taken in low light with the Google camera application to prove that it is not at all bad compared to other smartphones.
I share the link of my photos https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNwEVDBueDHV0JINHqdoKWIIxdPbihOOz3DwoSbztu_Hn5s0KxCCKI7Jb8sf_YTIg?key=dklud2xhd09oRHlHWnY5NE43S1Z3VVVyMFNqVXpn

I put the link photos taken with the samsung galaxy 7 edge to compare the photos of day and night compared to the quality of snapshots taken with gcam 6.1.021 with our smartphone lepro3.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNwEVDBueDHV0JINHqdoKWIIxdPbihOOz3DwoSbztu_Hn5s0KxCCKI7Jb8sf_YTIg?key=dklud2xhd09oRHlHWnY5NE43S1Z3VVVyMFNqVXpn

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I put the link photos taken with the samsung galaxy 7 edge to compare the photos of day and night compared to the quality of snapshots taken with gcam 6.1.021 with our smartphone lepro3.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNwEVDBueDHV0JINHqdoKWIIxdPbihOOz3DwoSbztu_Hn5s0KxCCKI7Jb8sf_YTIg?key=dklud2xhd09oRHlHWnY5NE43S1Z3VVVyMFNqVXpn
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Your comparisons are awesome! I have one question though. On some le pro 3 photos of yours there is information Huawei x722 - that would be input model of Huawei in gcam settings, but what about google LEX722? Is it pixel II in the input settings?

AdrianTry said:
Your comparisons are awesome! I have one question though. On some le pro 3 photos of yours there is information Huawei x722 - that would be input model of Huawei in gcam settings, but what about google LEX722? Is it pixel II in the input serrings?
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Precisely by setting in nexup 6p input we have the name of Huawei x722 with the version I put online.
I also installed a version of cstark27 and put the settings on pixel 3xl
https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/LGN2_MGC_6.1.021_MI8_V1d.apk
is for that in the exif is displayed google lex722.

Is the camera really that bad?

I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.

Chippelchen said:
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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Why you make a new topic about this because its been talked about and some hate it but many love it. But why focus on words when you can judge for your self when you go to places like flickr and see how each phone takes them photo's

Chippelchen said:
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The point and shoot is second to none.
The pro and night modes are both second to none..
Telephoto lens is superb
Only thing is say ia better is HDR on the pixel.
Besides that the p20 Pro stands alone. Even against late 2018 phones.

Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.

If you don't know how to tame it, you will not like it. But if you can tame it and know the capabilities and limitations of the sensor, you will love it!
I'm having a blast with it, because i know how it works inside out and now i can push it to it's limits.
/ Magnus

I love it

The thing I don't like is that I often get blurry images if I point and shoot

Hello,
For "HDR" effect, yu can use "night mode" in the day time. Otherwise I love the camera... competely... Have been using this phone on daily bases for 3 months and I'm astonished.
Here are some pictures - point and shoot
https://imgur.com/a/wcyZP4q

FOXTEiN said:
Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.
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You got your hands on Pixel 3 already? Weird I thought they're not supposed to deliver until sometime later.

Not at all, There is a entire thread showing the amazing photos this phone can deliver, this phone camera is versatile, it has the best nightmode out there, the best zoom, and the main 40mp sensor can capture a lot of detail, Last night i manage to take a photo of a lighting (https://i.imgur.com/32TxPqG.jpg).
a flicker with P20 pro photos :
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/

Yea, i love the P20 pro camera and night mode is freaking awesome! Only negative things i can think off is no stabilization on 4k video and the selfie cam could be a bit better but besides these 2 i think this camera is pretty much the best you can get right now for a cheap price.

for me it doesn't matter what i read or what other peoples say.
The camera of this phone is insane. Especially the night mode. Never saw something like this. Night shots looks brighter than with the human eye?
The only thing i don't like is the post processing of the camera app (oversharpening)

P20 Pro camera is neither bad, nor cheap, but both of those are highly subjective opinions. And you know what they say about opinions....
I am enjoying mine very much.
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Chippelchen said:
I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The front/selfie camera is what most people are complaining about, esp. the color saturation. It gives a plasticy color to human skin.
The main camera is superb.

The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.

achour7 said:
The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.
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I cannot second that. The only thing i can complain about is video recording.
Main shooter is more than capable to take great pics. It's incomparably better than op 7t.

The camera quality on this phone is really good. Anyone who says it's crap is objectively wrong.

The camera quality in the p20 pro still today better than many flagship, more than one year later, I compare the camera with the recents iPhone 11 pro max, pixel 4, mate 30 pro, samsung note 10, and it's nothing to envy of them, the kirin 970 is slower in games, but is smooth and very fast still

what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?

Depend on the situation, with good daylight 40, 10 if you don't want big pictures files, for zoom, night and difficult light conditions better 10, normally I use 10, because Huawei optimized the software and the cams to work together in this setup, working main, telephoto and monochrome camera sensor together for improvement results
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what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?
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Disappointed in the camera

I did some comparative shots with one of my work colleagues. He has a Samsung Galaxy S9+. We took the same photos in the same conditions and all his photos were sharper, more detailed and with less noise. Even low light shots where I had night mode enabled, his still took better pictures and he doesn't even have night mode.
Pretty disappointing.

upload the samples, let us judge it too

I've come from the S9+ and the Mate 20 Pro is better

Biggenz said:
I did some comparative shots with one of my work colleagues. He has a Samsung Galaxy S9+. We took the same photos in the same conditions and all his photos were sharper, more detailed and with less noise. Even low light shots where I had night mode enabled, his still took better pictures and he doesn't even have night mode.
Pretty disappointing.
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Hmm.... I don't have so but I have s8 to compare.. Mp20 takes way better pictures in any situations.. Please post the samples you are comparing.. Maybe it's just the Samsung screen is better than our Mp20.

I'm also coming from the S9+ and the shots on the Mate 20 Pro are consistently better, with more details.
What I noticed, though, is that OIS on the S9+ seems to be superior to the stabilization on the M20Pro - specifically in low light situations. But we are talking about subtle nuances here ....

I think camera is superb

My mate 20 pro camera is way better at night than my note 9 ugly camera

You got defective unit, the only camera that beats mate at times, is the Pixel.

Derpling said:
You got defective unit, the only camera that beats mate at times, is the Pixel.
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ok, I have this problem too!
Bought a mate 20 pro yesterday and today I was comparing the pictures with the S9 and the Mate and all of them are way better with more detail in the S9.
I'm in panic now!
i will post the comparative pictures.
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Left one is from a Galaxy S9 and the right one is the Mate.

sousa_2005 said:
ok, I have this problem too!
Bought a mate 20 pro yesterday and today I was comparing the pictures with the S9 and the Mate and all of them are way better with more detail in the S9.
I'm in panic now!
i will post the comparative pictures.
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Left one is from a Galaxy S9 and the right one is the Mate.
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The photo you took is totally different composition, the monitor LED light might effect the result also. Should take a photo with same composition.

another ones
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don't know why the S9 image stays always upside down after uploading..

pogi.paul0119 said:
Hmm.... I don't have so but I have s8 to compare.. Mp20 takes way better pictures in any situations.. Please post the samples you are comparing.. Maybe it's just the Samsung screen is better than our Mp20.
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Do you think the m20p is a good upgrade from the s8/s8+ especially including the free pre order gifts?

anyone know if this phone has diferent camera sensores like samsung (Sony and samsung sensor)?
I can't believe that my S9 with only one camera take way BETTER shots than the Mate 20 pro.
Too much disappointed with this!
Don't know if I'm doing anything wrong...
I bought this because I was tired of the Samsung ui and the slow (NO) updates... but payed a lot more for this phone and comparing the pictures.. 90% of them are worst than the S9.
The pictures in the Huawei are way more darker...
first- S9
Second -Mate

Auto Setting in both phones.
Huawei with AI off

merewood bebox said:
Do you think the m20p is a good upgrade from the s8/s8+ especially including the free pre order gifts?
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Well yeah.. The phone itself is nice. Good upgrade if your coming from s8..

Ok, while I really like this phone for it's camera capabilities, it's fair to say my experience with the M20Pro shooter has been a bit mixed. I am coming from a S7 edge (great camera for its time). My girlfriend has an iPhone XS, so that's also a good reference.
The good: the wide angle lens is amazing, great for pictures of architecture and nature, shots look dramatic and fairly unique. Night mode is also good, when it get's it right, it renders a really impressive picture. Portrait mode is a bit agressive, but does an above average job bluring the foreground as well as the backgroud. Aperture mode is neat and more natural looking than portrait. AI is ok, it get's things right more often than not. I haven't used much the 3x zoom yet, but I guess it can come in handy.
The bad: no optical image stabilization - it may seem like nitpicking, but this phone takes a lot of blured shaky picures for a flagship, especially in low light situations. You may find yourself having to have to hold it steady and firm for a good second or two in some situations to get a usable shot. If you're trying to take pictures from moving subjects, like pets or kids, this device is not your greatest friend. The dinamic range is also not the best, lagging significantly behind iPhone and Pixel - the shadows tend to be darker while the highlights do blow sometimes. I found that a little post production goes a long way with the M20P shots - when you recover those shadows, add a tad of sharpness and maybe a bit of saturation you can make a rather dull pic look amazing - but I can understand how the average user might not want to go throught that. Also not great is the HDR, firstly because it's a separate hidden mode in the extras (when it should be a toggle always readily available on the interface), secondly because, as mentioned, while usable, it's not top class - and again the lack of OIS makes things trickier.
All in all, I am mostly pleased with this camera because of its versatility. You can acomplish pictures with the M20P that no other phone can match - like a wide angle night shot. Having said that, it's certainly not the best point and shoot phone camera out there - to get the most of it you have to wrestle through the endless menus and modes and sometimes work a bit on the post production. So, if you don't care abou the wide angle lens and just want a phone camera that spits out eye catching images 9 times out of 10, I guess you could be better served with a Pixel 3, iPhone Xs or even a Galaxy S/Note 9.
Those are my two cents, but I'm curious to read what you guys think.
Cheers.

helder_gz said:
Ok, while I really like this phone for it's camera capabilities, it's fair to say my experience with the M20Pro shooter has been a bit mixed. I am coming from a S7 edge (great camera for its time). My girlfriend has an iPhone XS, so that's also a good reference.
The good: the wide angle lens is amazing, .....
Those are my two cents, but I'm curious to read what you guys think.
Cheers.
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Nice sharing, agreed the M20P photo is not the best in certain situation, video too, but i bought it just because the wide angle camera, the huge battery and the fast charging.
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sousa_2005 said:
anyone know if this phone has diferent camera sensores like samsung (Sony and samsung sensor)?
I can't believe that my S9 with only one camera take way BETTER shots than the Mate 20 pro.
Too much disappointed with this!
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first- S9
Second -Mate
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Hi there, what firmware you are on?
Mine is 9.0.0.126, seem like ok.

sousa_2005 said:
anyone know if this phone has diferent camera sensores like samsung (Sony and samsung sensor)?
I can't believe that my S9 with only one camera take way BETTER shots than the Mate 20 pro.
Too much disappointed with this!
Don't know if I'm doing anything wrong...
I bought this because I was tired of the Samsung ui and the slow (NO) updates... but payed a lot more for this phone and comparing the pictures.. 90% of them are worst than the S9.
The pictures in the Huawei are way more darker...
first- S9
Second -Mate
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40mp or 10 mp ?
to use 40, you need are really well lit environment, otherwise its always 10 mp for hdr effect.

hi just know what happened ..... shame on me...

sousa_2005 said:
hi just know what happened ..... shame on me...
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And?

S10 Astrophotography!

Hello everyone, I'm here to ask you if you have had experience with astrophotography and S10, more specifically capturing pictures of night sky, or even Milky Way. My first experience of astrophotography and smartphone was with Galaxy S7, I could take nice photos of stars (Milky way was impossible to shoot). I have tried with S10 and same settings in Pro Mode (10 seconds exposition, more or less same ISO and White Balance), but the result has not been the same, pictures are even worse (more noise, stars not clear as in S7's pictures). I'm glad to know if you have more experience with this, because after Pixel 4 and P30 Pro I asked myself if S10 can take the same pictures. For example, GCam's new version has an own function for astrophotography, it would be nice if even S10 can have his version through porting.

Poor Astrophotography
lorenzo122 said:
Hello everyone, I'm here to ask you if you have had experience with astrophotography and S10, more specifically capturing pictures of night sky, or even Milky Way. My first experience of astrophotography and smartphone was with Galaxy S7, I could take nice photos of stars (Milky way was impossible to shoot). I have tried with S10 and same settings in Pro Mode (10 seconds exposition, more or less same ISO and White Balance), but the result has not been the same, pictures are even worse (more noise, stars not clear as in S7's pictures). I'm glad to know if you have more experience with this, because after Pixel 4 and P30 Pro I asked myself if S10 can take the same pictures. For example, GCam's new version has an own function for astrophotography, it would be nice if even S10 can have his version through porting.
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I have the Galaxy Note 10 plus, and likewise, I too have been deeply disappointed with the astrophotography results. My settings were essentially identical to yours using 'Pro' mode, and I believe the camera technology in our two phones is exactly the same. Even the raw pictures displayed terrible artifacts. I'm not sure if 'banding' or 'contouring' would correctly describe what I saw, but the sky was broken up into sections that looked something like a jigsaw puzzle put together.
Eric

Calm down guys, i understand your dissapointment, but this astrophotography trend started way after the s10 family came to the market... Anyway, it's more of a "software trick" than anything related to hardware itself, so we can almost certanly expect Sammy will add that feature via software update. I believe it will come with android 10. Why you may ask, well because they already added 30s exposure time in android10 beta... So it's not farfetched to believe some kind of astrophotography mode is coming. But take notice, even on other phones that do support it, you apsolutely need a tripod or some kind of stative, the phone has to be very still to enable astrophotography...

Yup very disappointing ive also tried it even with TRIPOD! the stars become blurry (pro mode 10 sec) so sad.. maybe they will fix it sometime.. (google pixel is good, P30 is over saturation- still look good and alot better then S10, some will like it over the pixel)

Like i said, we will most probbably get the astrophotography mode, it's just a matter of time, but i see no reason why you can't capture great pictures of the night sky with pro mode. Especially if you know the right settings and have a tripod. I took some amazing pics way back with my old S7, now with S10 they come out even better... Btw, you can't capture the Milky Way unless you are in complete darkness and away from any light pollution...
I didn't have the time to test the new pro mode (30sec exposure) in android10 beta, but i will soon. If you want i can send you links so you can see some of my photos for yourself.

I'm calm...
Thank you for your input, and fear not I was not hyperventilating. I shoot astrophotography from time to time with my Nikon DSLR's and occasionally linking that up with my Meade ETX-125 telescope.
So I have a solid foundation and understanding of the hardware requirements to properly shoot the night sky. I have also enjoyed using my Galaxy Note 10 plus with the Zhiyun Smooth 4 gimbal along with the excellent Filmic Pro software (app).
Would not have purchased that additional equipment had I not been extremely impressed with the optics of the camera technology in these phones both in terms of video and still photography. I never thought smartphones would be competitive with prosumer camera technology but under certain circumstances no question we have reached that point. It is with those higher expectations, that led me to be surprised when the quality took a nosedive when attempting to shoot long exposure night photography. I always attempt to shoot with the longest exposure and the lowest ISO to minimize noise.
But the final results were still riddled with noise and artifacts, even the raw output. I'm not upset by this, in fact as recently as a year ago I would not have even thought of attempting this with a smartphone. So I just chalk it up to reaching the limitations of where things are at this moment. I will be interested to explore the Android update to which you referred and maybe that will greatly improve things. Under normal circumstances, I'm still amazed at the capabilities are these cameras.

dryslot said:
Thank you for your input, and fear not I was not hyperventilating. I shoot astrophotography from time to time with my Nikon DSLR's and occasionally linking that up with my Meade ETX-125 telescope.
So I have a solid foundation and understanding of the hardware requirements to properly shoot the night sky. I have also enjoyed using my Galaxy Note 10 plus with the Zhiyun Smooth 4 gimbal along with the excellent Filmic Pro software (app).
Would not have purchased that additional equipment had I not been extremely impressed with the optics of the camera technology in these phones both in terms of video and still photography. I never thought smartphones would be competitive with prosumer camera technology but under certain circumstances no question we have reached that point. It is with those higher expectations, that led me to be surprised when the quality took a nosedive when attempting to shoot long exposure night photography. I always attempt to shoot with the longest exposure and the lowest ISO to minimize noise.
But the final results were still riddled with noise and artifacts, even the raw output. I'm not upset by this, in fact as recently as a year ago I would not have even thought of attempting this with a smartphone. So I just chalk it up to reaching the limitations of where things are at this moment. I will be interested to explore the Android update to which you referred and maybe that will greatly improve things. Under normal circumstances, I'm still amazed at the capabilities are these cameras.
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Nice to know you're calm , it was nothing more than a figure of speech - i bet you already knew that
Anyway, i wrongly asumed i was dealing with a rookie but it's nice to see you know a great deal about night photography... As i sad, i really doubt Pixel has better optics or camera hardware in general in comparison to a Galaxy S10/N10, it all comes down to software as we all know. IMO, Google has mastered night photos and now astrophotography mainly because of their Ai software/hardware technology and ofcourse the sheer experience. They are after all "in the forefront of AI"... Also, i believe Samsung could do something similar if they wanted, it all depends on the market and popularity of that specific feature. They don't lack the funds as they invest billions in R&D. Ofcourse i could be wrong, this is just my opinion.

Which lens/sensor are you using for this? Telephoto lens/sensor is weaker in low light situations (smaller sensor, smaller aperture).
I have also an S7 Edge and the night mode of the S10 is indeed comparable (identical sensor?). But that's only the normal wide sensor/lens!
Specs S10 main:
12 MP, f/1.5-2.4, 26mm (wide), 1/2.55", 1.4µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.4, 52mm (telephoto), 1/3.6", 1.0µm, AF, OIS, 2x optical zoom
16 MP, f/2.2, 12mm (ultrawide), 1.0µm, Super Steady video
Specs S7 main:
12 MP, f/1.7, 26mm (wide), 1/2.55", 1.4µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS

LOL, I would bet money that the average buyer of the S10 even knows or cares what astrophotography is. If it's that important to someone then I'd suggest researching phones and buying one that does this rather than being disappointed in something the phone wasn't designed for. Hell, that Samsung engineer sitting in that little cubicle in Seoul, South Korea probably doesn't give a rat's a** whether that phone will take pictures of the stars or not.

What about Gcam mod, that has built in astrophotography which I think works only on Android 10 for some version of Gcam.

Hmm... quality improved
So after I ran across this thread, I went out again last night for kicks, and the artifacts were greatly reduced. Still noisy/grainy, but to be expected from almost any camera not carefully configured for these challenging circumstances. I'm wondering if one of the several OS updates I've had since the first attempt two months ago contributed?
To Kemby13: Of course, no problem, your posts were great and helpful. I couldn't resist a little tongue-in-cheek myself.
To Sonic 67: Great tips and worth double-checking that.
To Tel 864: I'm rather certain you would win that bet. For my part, just interesting to push the limits on the latest tech. And I like knowing if I'm ever in a pinch if it's even worth the trouble pulling it out of my pocket.
To Ndaoud360: Reading up on that now, thank you very much!

How exactly do you get stars in focus? Also, no matter what I have tried there is no way around getting the exposure to go over 10s!
Could you please share your method for astro on s10? I have the snapdragon version as well. Thanks.

everybodylovesfebs said:
How exactly do you get stars in focus? Also, no matter what I have tried there is no way around getting the exposure to go over 10s!
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You don't need to, or the sky will "move". The trick is using a telescope or even a binocular to gather more light. Use higher ISO if needed.
https://www.amazon.com/binoculars-camera-adapter/s?k=binoculars+camera+adapter

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Hello everyone , i have s10 and i am really interested in astrophotography. I a very hyped for new update(one ui2.0) because in leaks there is astrophotography mode. So before this software is launched, please guys can you suggest what settings should i use to record night sky??
Thank you in advance

I think the problem is on optical stabilizer itself. Even on dslr cam you need to turn off oss when using a tripod. thats why we get blurry pic on s10 -10s shutter. I can take a better night sky pic using vivo v17 pro. Coz the software of the phone give us a real Pro mode. I cant wait a long 30s shutter and more serious pro mode of samsung update in a future for our s10 family.

Question Disappointing daylight photo quality

Hello
For different reasons, I had to upgrade my vanilla S20 to vanilla S23 (though I was not entirely convinced to).
Although the phone runs incredibly smooth, the battery life is amazing, screen is the best I've ever seen, the most important phone aspect for me is the camera video and photo quality, especially during the daytime.
Videos are amazing from S23 and way better than S20's, especially in terms of stabilization.
However, the daylight photos, from all cameras leaves A LOT to be desired. No matter what photo is it - well lit room, landscape, greenery, plants, moving objects, from both main and Telephoto camera are noticeably WORSE than from S20 during daytime.
Photos are noisy as hell, does not have that much details and has too much oversharpening applied. Even using fake 1,1 "tele" lens from S20, the resolved details during the daytime are just better on S20, on all available zoom ranges. Oversharpening on S23 is so strong that it literally kills some finest details sometimes and makes all photos look artificial and unnatural. S20 photos, compared to S23 look as if it S20 was from far future compared to S23.
I am incredibly disappointed as I was expecting A LOT more from phone of that kind. S20 photos are just amazing and I expected something either similar or better.
Is there any way to reduce the oversharpening and smoothen the photos so that they are not that noisy? Or maybe force S20's camera algorithms to S23?
Expert RAW is a no go for me as it takes too much time to play with to take photo. It also processes these photos too much.
Thanks,
Maciej

I came from pixel 7 and I am also dissaponted a lot from the camera although I wouldn't say my photos have noise. It's this Overusaturation that Samsung does( I have turned off scene optimizer) that gets on my nerves. Also night photos are not good. I'm thinking of switching back to pixel.

Download the Camera Assistant software from the Galaxy Store. There you can adjust the softening of your images.

vzsolti said:
Download the Camera Assistant software from the Galaxy Store. There you can adjust the softening of your images.
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I have it and I see only option for automatic hdr and where to give priority, speed or quality

Is there a Google cam available?

ermacwins said:
Is there a Google cam available?
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There is: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/gcam-port.4553443/

vzsolti said:
Download the Camera Assistant software from the Galaxy Store. There you can adjust the softening of your images.
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Wow, thank you for reply!
I've been looking for something like this, although I'm not entirely convinced if there are enough options regarding eg. noise. Nevertheless, I will surely try it out and share my findings
Kindest regards,
Maciej

I have played with the Camera Assistant app and it helped a little bit indeed, but the quality is still far from perfect.
No matter what "Smoothening" level I select, there is still visible noise, but more or less "smudged" based on "Smoothening" settings. Finest details are also lost when any "Smoothening" is enabled (even the medium option).
Although there is some visible changes with Camera Assistant, I still preffer S20's photos as they are both detailed and noise-free.
I hope Samsung improves the Camera, because this is not what people should expect from the top tier Android flagships. Too bad is that March security patch does NOT include any Camera improvements.

You can also try to switch off Scene Optimizer or use Pro mode to take photos

Benoe said:
You can also try to switch off Scene Optimizer or use Pro mode to take photos
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Thank you for your reply.
Scene optimizer has been off since I first launched the camera. On pro mode the results are moreless the same - very noisy and tons of artificial oversharpening.
I've had an opportunity to compare my shots from last year's S22. I think there is less noise from S22 shots, so I believe this will get fixed by Samsung in the near future. BTW - S22's photos are still worse than my old S20's and that's the major reason I decided not to purchase S22 year ago.

I shoot and edit in RAW/DNG only. I like the S23 photo compared to my S21 phone.

Do you use Pro mode then?

Hi,
I have the same issue, as per the flagship tag, the photo quality is not that much great I would say.
Usually people taking photos just point and shoot no other special settings changes.
This camera taking 2 to 3MB picture with 12MP camera but too much noise and little blurry as well.
When I switch to 50MP 3:4mode then picture is capturing little sharpen as compared to the above 12MP camera, but it has very large size of picture around 8 to 12MB.
Even banana shape are also capturing specially on humans head.
I'm very disappointed with the camera.
If I talk about overall phone except camera then this is the best phone I have ever seen.
I don't know why every YouTuber is telling lie to us in camera department, they are saying camera is much better then the iPhone or Pixel but the real truth is this phone has very poor camera specially while capturing the photos.
My brother have Realme 9pro+ and he has taken photos on my daughter's birthday and I have taken also and I'm surprised when I saw the quality of his phone's camera photo, very sharp, no noise good quality and size is also not that much.
Thinking to buy pixel 7 or some other flagship kind of phone in exchange of this S23 because I don't this so Samsung will push the camera update on this as they are very much focused on 23ultra and they have bought every YouTuber mouth as well.

I'm very happy with the camera quality so far. This month we should receive a major camera update and it will get only better with time. I have compared the gcam output with the Samsung camera app and gcam is significantly worse. And yes I have used the config file as described.

I truly hope this match update will indeed improve the quality of the camera as this is simply bad now.
Moreover - I have also found many other issues as I keep using my S23 as a daily driver.
First - the video stabilization simply does not work. It did work once released and it was actually one of major improvements that made me amazed, but it seems like february (or march) security patch has simply destroyed this feature. The videos are completely without ANY kind of stabilization.
Second - I have noticed that the Super Slow Motion mode has a HUGE step back when compared to S20. I love this feature as this allows you, without any professional hardware, to capture interesting physical phenomenoms using just your phone, such as lighting up the lighter, break the glass/ice, or even see how the little bees' wings work. These kind of videos have always been unique to Samsung and I find them extremely interesting and I'm a huge fan of these.
While S20 did capture the real 960 frames for 1 second (quite a long of time for a smartphone), S23 captures only half a second and... it's certainly NOT 960 FPS, but rather 480 FPS artificially enriched to 960 FPS by the software.
The effect is that you can't see all the phenomenoms - bees are wingless, the glass breaks unnaturally (you clearly see it's more AI work than actual capture). I'm terribly disappointed.
Honestly I doubt this upcoming March camera patch will solve that many issues and I'm extremely disappointed that 1000 EUR phone is such a garbage in terms of camera. I agree with @Normas Interruptor
If I talk about overall phone except camera then this is the best phone I have ever seen.
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But the truth is that you can charge your battery if it's empty, you can still use the phone if it lag sometimes, you can play the games if you don't have full details. But you can't repair damaged and bad photo. Period.