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bluetooth stereo headset for bikers helmets ???

Hello
the Jabra bluetooth headset (http://www.jabra.com/) seems to be fine!
But I want to use something like that fitting inside a motorbikers helmet!
Does anybody has an idea where to find a stereo headset (with a bluetooth dongle like that from jabra) fitting in a helmet?
Also I am looking for a good small extern stereo microphone for the XDA!
thanks for your informations

heiner said:
Also I am looking for a good small extern stereo microphone for the XDA!
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Audio input on the XDA is mono.

thanks for this hint concerning the audio input!
and where can I get a mono microphone with a fitting plug?

There's an accessory (not off the top of my head right now...) that converts between a 2.5 mm headset jack and the XDA's headset connector, and another one that does mic 2.5mm and stereo headset 3.5 mm.
Or solder something yourself... All the info is on
http://xda-developers.com/connectors

I know this isnt as high tech as a Bluetooth headset such as the Jabra... but as a low tech solution, Why not just use the headset that comes with the xda? You can certainly improve the ear fitting with some replacement ear sponges. or even better, slice into the cabling, and replace the earpieces with the SONY headphones that are like mini "in-ear defenders"
Quick tip: to solder headphone cables, use a soldering iron with a little cored solder to melt away and tin the very thin coating on the exposed cables, as headphone cables don't have sleeving in the traditional way. Dont hold it on for too long though!
Sorry, I can't quote any model numbers for the sony headphones, but the nice design feature is that
1) They are inside the ear, so it wont interfere with getting your helmet on/off
2) The Bass response with these headphones are even better than the standard xda headset. Because they are a snug fit like an industrial ear plug, so the ear canal resonates the sound better without losses. In a noisy environment you should find this better, e.g. with the roaring of a bike engine.
Advantage of modding with the standard headsetYou can modify the push to talk button by opening the pod and wiring a switch in parrallel to your handlebars, something thats easy to use with big bike gloves on, e.g. an automotive switch from Halfords. And of course the most important part, you get the xda four pole 2.5mm connector, which is very difficult to get hold of!
The other part of the push to talk switch "pod" on the xda headset is the microphone, so you could mount it somewhere in the part of the helmet near your mouth.
Obviously these ideas will need some "interconnect cables", from your xda to your handlebars, and from either to your helmet, I did see a posting with a motorbike cradle mount somewhere on this site.
Connectors
You should be able to get an inline solderable coupling connector (male & female) respectively from your local electronics shop or http://www.maplin.co.uk a small 3.5mm connector will suffice.
Obviously for the mic you need two or three connectors depending on how you rig it up.
You can get away with a mono one and one with three (in other words a normal stereo one) for the headphones, which has three poles
Headphones (stereo 3.5mm solderable plug & coupler)
1) Left
2) Right
3) Ground
Microphone (mono 3.5mm solderable plug & coupler)
1) Signal
2) Ground
Switch (mono 3.5mm solderable plug & coupler)
1) from pod button contacts
2) from pod button contacts
Obviously if you're not keen on using the phone while riding, then dont bother with the mic, switch etc, and just make up the headphones for music etc.
If this is the case, just buy the sony headphones and use a 2.5mm stereo to 3.5mm adapter (available at most maplin stores)
I've already done this mod using a replacement xda headset bought from expansys.com for a cassette adapter for in-car use. And have had many hours of music listening in between and during GPS instructions on long journeys!
Software called "Withmp3" is very good for in-car music playback (Its just like Winamp) because you can assign hardware buttons to skip tracks or stop the music. Even while using Tom-Tom navigator for example.

heiner said:
Hello
the Jabra bluetooth headset (http://www.jabra.com/) seems to be fine!
But I want to use something like that fitting inside a motorbikers helmet!
Does anybody has an idea where to find a stereo headset (with a bluetooth dongle like that from jabra) fitting in a helmet?
Also I am looking for a good small extern stereo microphone for the XDA!
thanks for your informations
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by far the safest way to do this is look at the communication/intercom systems currently on offer from motorcycle suppliers. i know no biker is ever going to have an accident, but things sticking in ears is probably not a good idea if head does hit the road.
i am 'lucky' enough to have a bike already fitted out with passenger intercom, radio and 'phone connection but i'm damned if i can find the right sort of 'phone connector and the bike manufacturer is about 2 years behind. so i suppose i'll have to find someone who can make one. any ideas?
ian

Motorola HS-830!
Bought two recently and they work just great!
Except for the fact that XDA/QTEK/etc... can't send audio, so I can't listen to MP3 using this helmet headset.
Anyhow, you can either use the helmet headset for phone calls or music (using iPAQ) or connect both helmet headsets to have a two way conversation with your passenger!
Work just great, and it comes with a neck lace, when not on the bike!

Audio bluetooth routing...
I found on this forum very little information about an audio driver (audio profile actually) product for PPC from AveLink: http://www.avelink.com/Bluetooth/Products/AudioDriver/index.htm
But they seem to integrate the MS Stack with two new profiles and the A2DP everybody is looking for!
I've been looking for a solution for... an eternity...
Anyhow can't find the product for purchase anywhere so I wrote them to see the features/price/etc... I'll let you know guys
Gee, hope is a strong feeling that leads us to keep trying... I can't even think on how much time I spent looking for this

headpnone adapter

PPC Techs XDA/SX56 2.5mm/3.5mm Audio Headset Adaptor
This adaptor converts the proprietary 4 conductor Pocket PC phone jack found on the XDA to a STD 2.5mm headset jack and 3.5mm stereo headphone Jack, and includes a PPCPE compatible answer/mute button. The adaptor cable is approximately 5" long.
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http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=PPCPADPT01
What are your thoughts. Seems like a good product. Be able to use some decent headphones for listening to those mp3z . . .
Anybody used one of these?

is the answer/mute button only for those 2 functions or is that module also acting as a microphone (don't think so)? looks good to me but i use the headset adaptor i bought from this internet site based in hong kong. check out:
http://pc-mobile.net/pxdaa.jpg (the website is http://pc-mobile.net)
it comes with a standard 2.5 mm jack for the xda. the wire is on a retractable mechanism to avoid tangling. at the other end is the stereo phone jack which serves as an answer/end button and as a microphone as well. there's a single headphone jack connected which uses a 3.5mm plug. when you want to listen to the toons using your 2-headphone set; you simply unplug the jack and insert any 3.5mm plug-based headset. in effect you can use any 3.5 headset as handsfree.
costs 26usd but services are 5-stars for me.
cheers

Anyone tried this adaptor from pc-moblie.net? The sound quality is good or bad?

i doubt that it could damage the quality so you can hear it unless you connect it to a stereo's lineIn and play it out using real speakers
those headsets are too limited imho to take much damage from a few connectors

However, all these things are not suitable for xdaII.
I bought one from pc-mobile and the quality is good. However, since the new xdaII got 2 buttons in its handsfree design, this product from pc-mobile is not fully compatible. You can hear from it but you can't pick up or end call from it as compared to xda1 you can.
I hope they can produce another product which is fully compatible with xda2. Otherwise, I may have to go for bluetooth but really worry about the battery.
Also, can I or is there anyone using the bluetooth handsfree for mp3 playing????? I doubt that very much.
I do really like the pc-mobile handsfree which is retractable and handy.
Any alternative in the market?? You got the adaptor but I think its only good for audio MP3 listening. If you attach another headsfree to the adaptor for business use (don't know whether we can...), you will have 2 buttons (one for the adaptor and one for the handsfree) which is quite funny !
Does somebody else have this problem and find a solution?
Do most people use bluetooth?

*Damn* !
Been creating a cable myself, tried it yesterdaynight late....
The damn thing didn't answer the phone when i pressed te button.
I cut the audio-out cord and trew the cable away, because i tought the mic didn't work....
Now i read this.... Guess the mic did work, but the answerbutton didn't.
Now i hope i can rewire the audio-out cabels again, so i haven't been soldering for nothing last night

Headphone adapter for HTC magic
Hello.
On the HTC magic, there isnt a 2.5 or a 3.5 headphone jack! there is only a mini USB jack. Does anyone know where i could get a mini USB jack adapter to turn it into a regular headphone jack?
Even if anybody knows what kind of mini USB jack comes on the HTC then that would be lots of help! because ive already purchased one that fit, but didnt work so it must have been a different type.
Thanks in advance!

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=extusb+to+minijack&btnG=Søg&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Wiring my own car kit..

I'm trying to wire my own car kits for XDA 1.
As there is no way i'm paying the prices asked for the proper car kits.
I already have an in-car holder with a connector fitted for my GPS, and I wish to solder in some more wires to link phone features in.
I've done some searching around the site and this is the info I've figured out so far..
Pin 1 for Microphone Input
Pins 3 & 4 for Audio Out
Pin 19 to tell XDA its in car mode
So my questions:
Are pins 2 & 5 the grounds for the Audio out ?
My car stereo has line inputs (phono connectors) can I just rig up these connectors to Pins 3 & 4 (with grounds) to get audio out ?
I have a phone mute wire on my stereo, what do I hook this upto, so that music will mute while in phone call / getting navigation instructions?
Thanks
Neil

Swifty said:
Are pins 2 & 5 the grounds for the Audio out ?
My car stereo has line inputs (phono connectors) can I just rig up these connectors to Pins 3 & 4 (with grounds) to get audio out ?
I have a phone mute wire on my stereo, what do I hook this upto, so that music will mute while in phone call / getting navigation instructions?
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Take a look at http://www.xda-developers.com/connectors/
There you can find all about the connector. Ground is ground, so you can use Pin 2 & 5 for your Audio.
Telephone mute at your car stereo won´t work easy. There is no pin at the connector that is used when a phone call is getting in.
The original car kit does this in a black box, that mutes every time a signal comes from the xda.
Just search a bit in the forum....
HTH
Stefan

Thanks already had a look @ the connectors page, its very usefull.
I've done some more searching but there are still a few things needing a bit of clarification.
1. Do I need any capacitors or anything else in the line from XDA to Line In on my car stereo?
2. Could one of the audio out feeds be split to also give the mute signal. If so how could i convert it so that the feed is Ground when outputting, and live/dead when not ?
Cheers
Neil

Anyone ?

i have my audio out direct to my line in on my car stereo
i have a mono analog sound amplifier for the mic in (using a carkit mic)
you dont have to do this, just dont put pin 19 to ground, and audio will go through the line out of the connector as well. you can just speak and the mic is fine for xda1
xda2 is very different , had to rewire everything
just take 4 or 5 GND wires from the connector
bundel them to 1 GND and put it to the - of you car

Thanks mate,
Can I just check a couple of things to make sure I don't kill my XDA or my stereo
1 - Nothing is required inline with the audio out 2 line in cables, they just hook straight up ?
2 - Only connect Pin 19 to ground if I don't want to use the internal mike?
Can anyone recommend a small mike, I can fit in the car to use with this setup ?
Cheers for all your help :wink:

^ Up we go

a external mic is a lot off trouble to build in
i can tell you that
if i was u and got a xda1, i would nog ground pin 19
use the internal mic
yes, just hook gnd and line 3 and 4 (audio?) directly to you line in of your car stereo, i think its stereo dependend. its a analog stereo sound wich is produced by your xda1, i have a line in for gps or dvd player audio on my stereo, so that works without any problem, clear sound
i have a nokia microfoon and a mono sound amplifier as a line in to GND and pin 1

Thats brilliant cheers mate,
I am really wanting to try putting an external mic on as the phone is mounted down low and quite a way from the drivers head so i don't think the internal mic would pick up clearly..
What size amplifier do you have for your mic ?
I'm thinking maybe getting a handsfree mic and mounting it up by the drivers head, would something like this be suitable to use with that? : http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=031221163652177&moduleno=2904
Thanks for all the help

i have something very similar like that
for my xda2 that is
maybe if you havent started the wirering and soldering. you could do like i did
get a LPT printer connector, it has more then sufficient connectors for each wire, and they have numbers!
ideal. for future plans.
then i just get a second connector and solder that to every componnent

Great!
If it used a tie-clip style microphone would I still need to use an amplifier with it, as I imagine the pickup is reasonably good on them..
Is 2.5W enough ?
Many Thanks :wink:

i dont know with xda1, if i connect a portable mp3 player to my xda2, i must set it to at least 2/4 of volume.

@akira :
I'm wondering where to connect Pin 19 to ground...
Can i just lead one wire out of the connector and ground it to the car, to the ground of the audio (pin 2) or should i connect it to another ground on the connector... ?
Btw, i disconnected the org. ground from the connector from pin 2 (less noise)... So i have onder Ground-audio out on pin 2...

jpiek: Have you made your own kit ?
I would be interested on how you done yours, how you rigged your microphone up etc..
Cheers
Neil

Not yet, i used to have juts audio-out from the GPS cable on my XDA I.
For the XDA/MDA II i need to ground Pin 19. I still haven't done that since i don't have a external MIC.
Now i wish to be able to ground pin 19 with a switch. If "on" it will shorten the connection and use audio-out (for TomTom). I hope to be able to use the BT headset for phone.
If i don't use audio-out, i can disconnect Pin 19 and use the inernal mic for voicedail etc....

Are there any news on that topic? How can I generate a mute signal?
thanks
Mütze

Hi,
I have a SPV E100 what should be simular to the XDA's. I want to to nearly the same. My setup should work with a Safe2talk Handsfree Kit where I want to connect the Speakers/Audio to the Navigation/Phone in of my Blaupunkt radio. I also want to use a serial GPS receiver. I read different articels in this forum but could not find a answer to my question.
How could I realize a mute funktion?
Cheers
PT-1

Solution: Phone calls over Headphones, and PPC mic.

Solution is posted on page two, Thank you everyone.
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When answering phone calls with headphones plugged in sound comes through clearly. I can hear the other person just find. However, they can not hear me.
Is there a way to enable the internal microphone on the device while having headphones connected?
Thank you.

I am looking for the same solution. I hooked up my phone to my car with aux input to listen music in the car. but when I get a call I have to unplug it because the mic on phone is disabled..if anyone knows a fix for it it would be a huge favor.Thanks

hayaticik said:
I am looking for the same solution. I hooked up my phone to my car with aux input to listen music in the car. but when I get a call I have to unplug it because the mic on phone is disabled..if anyone knows a fix for it it would be a huge favor.Thanks
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Yeah same deal, Bluetooth headphones would apply aswell.

You could get an adapter that has a built in microphone. They're available and not expensive.

PerfAlbion said:
You could get an adapter that has a built in microphone. They're available and not expensive.
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But that is just a workaround. The problem is still there. I don't think it is that hard to fix, but I don't know how or where to mess up with it.
Also, it would be interesting if there was an option to use Kaiser's automatic answering after 3 ring with the speakerphone.. but that's a little offtopic I think

subscribing. I would also like to know.

TurtleTech said:
When answering phone calls with headphones plugged in sound comes through clearly. I can hear the other person just find. However, they can not hear me.
Is there a way to enable the internal microphone on the device while having headphones connected?
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When a headset is plugged in the mini usb port the unit (just like any other phone) it goes into headset profile and switches mic input to the headset.
Are you using the supplied headset (mini usb) or an adapter for 3.5mm jack?
The supplied headset enables the mike (in the small bulb on the cable) for talking and most people lift this to their mouths to talk on any phone.
If anyone is having this problem with a BT headphone (not headset!) then check in BT settings that the headphones are not set for 'Use as BT headset' only for 'Wireless Stereo'.
Hope this helps.

Farsquidge, Thank you for your response.
Using an adapter that outputs 3.5mm connection that connects to normal headphones or AUX connection for stereo.
You said that the phone switches profiles. When a 3.5mm external headphone is connected the phone switches to headset mode and with this we can assume that the phone is looking for external microphone aswell.
Solution: Change the headset profile to use the internal microphone rather than looking for a external microphone.
Goal: Using 3.5mm headphones with phones internal microphone.
Thank you.

TurtleTech said:
Farsquidge, Thank you for your response.
Using an adapter that outputs 3.5mm connection that connects to normal headphones or AUX connection for stereo.
You said that the phone switches profiles. When a 3.5mm external headphone is connected the phone switches to headset mode and with this we can assume that the phone is looking for external microphone aswell.
Solution: Change the headset profile to use the internal microphone rather than looking for a external microphone.
Goal: Using 3.5mm headphones with phones internal microphone.
Thank you.
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Yep, you got it. You need an 'intelligent' app that knows you have a headset connected (usb adapter) but no mike so it can keep the internal mike on!!
Nothing out there that is that clever but the guys doing Kiaser Tweak may be able to give you something that you can manually select the profile to enable the internal mike!!
Why not ask them???

Any ideas?

There must be a solution for this simple problem, dutty???

Does anyone have any ideas?

i think this is what you are looking for:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/08/18/orange_spv_m3100_headphone_adapter_hack
but what WOULD be nice is that it's a male adapter, so you don't need the 3.5mm converter.
I started to put together something like this, just have to get off my butt and perform the splicing! Otherwise, that is how it's done.
Anyone know if there's a web site selling the USB adapter to 3.5mm male adapter and not female?
tvos

Right here budy:
http://www.javoedge.com/reflexeshop/productCatalog/getProduct.do?poid=1717&pbmId=14410

dude... you rock!! I have been looking for ages something like this for previous PPC's.
I know this is asking the world.. what about shorter length, make retractable w/microphone for phone operation?
anyways, i am placing my order today!
i love XDA Dev.. should have switched over from the other forums! this place doesn't sit still and the questions & answers are always there!
THANK YOU!!!
tvos

No problem. I generally dont post much. But I just couldnt let some be wondering all their life.
Theres this but its female:
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=866
I thought about getting it but I cant justify $30 for it. For a little more I could get BT ones.

just ordered the product today. will let you know how it works!
I am just glad someone stepped up and finally created a product that is a male adapted direct input to female. This is a rare item!
Thank You!
tvos

Thank you gentlemen. Solution: An adapter with microphone and 3.5mm output.

Just recieved the cable today!
its excellent and fits snug! - wraps around the proclip cradle and directly into the female input car radio.
Yes, if they could make this with a mic adapter, that would be cool.
But for now, this beats rigging something from radio shack - splicing a few wires together just because someone is picky with length..
tvos

Awesome Im Getting One!!!

Use topaz as bluetooth headset / use on-board mic

I have searched everywhere and can't seem to find a answer to this...
I use a phone cradle in the car, using my topaz as my music player, connecting my phone to my car stereo with a male-male 3.5mm audio jack.
I want to be able to steam music via bluetooth from any other compatible phone / device to my phone, meaning I don't have to trail cables everywhere when a passenger wants to play something.
I would have thought this to be a simple-ish thing to setup but cannot find any information on how to do it. Is it even possible, and where would I start if it is?
I also want to use my on-board mic when the headset is plugged so I can have call audio over car speakers, although iv been led to believe this isn't possible because of hardware reasons, can anybody clarify that?
Apologies if this is in the wrong forum, not really sure where it should have gone.

If I understand you correctly, you want to stream music TO your phone over BT from another device? Not possible.
For hearing call over speakers and using mic, you need to get the M-F w/built in mic.

I too don't think it will be possible to stream music from another device to your phone except if you transfer the entire music mp3 file via bluetooth to your device and then play it from there.
Regarding the possibility of using the device's microphone whilst using the car speakers for sound, again I'm afraid I don't think this is possible. I have a similar set-up to you in that my TD2 is connected to an FM transmitter which also charges my TD2 at the same time in a nice cradle. The TD2 thinks it is connected to a headset when cradled. The microphone is inactive in this state which is a shame as it would have made a good hands free system if it were to be active....

mitsi said:
I too don't think it will be possible to stream music from another device to your phone except if you transfer the entire music mp3 file via bluetooth to your device and then play it from there.
Regarding the possibility of using the device's microphone whilst using the car speakers for sound, again I'm afraid I don't think this is possible. I have a similar set-up to you in that my TD2 is connected to an FM transmitter which also charges my TD2 at the same time in a nice cradle. The TD2 thinks it is connected to a headset when cradled. The microphone is inactive in this state which is a shame as it would have made a good hands free system if it were to be active....
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I use this set up as well. You just need the cable with the built in mic.
My RF Transmitter has a male plug, So I found the HTC cable that has the HTC USB to Female with built in mic. This is my basic set up.

Bruce Inman said:
I use this set up as well. You just need the cable with the built in mic.
My RF Transmitter has a male plug, So I found the HTC cable that has the HTC USB to Female with built in mic. This is my basic set up.
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That set up looks great Bruce, but I don't want to be fiddling about plugging in so many cables with so many wires visible. Brodit does something similar too, all in a cradle with an extended wire so you would be able to hide all the cables....