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I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
Earthbrain said:
I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
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I don't think there is such a thing like a 16gb note 3. At least not yet.
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I don't think there is such a thing like a 16gb note 3. At least not yet.
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http://negrielectronics.com/phones/android-mobile-c-67.html
According to the above link...the 16 gb version does exist.
Does the n9005 model have AT&T LTE for sure?
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Earthbrain said:
I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
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Before committed to pay big $ for the phone ... check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457964
I'd buy what you're looking for in a heartbeat - if it existed. So far it doesn't. At least not ln any of the N3's for the UK, EU, or Latin America that have been announced. The Korean S-800 SGS4 supports AT&T's bands so their N3 probably will also. But the Korean phones have funky TV h/w and a funky MMS system that's different than Western versions. Rogers' (Canada) version will be compatible with AT&T LTE and may be closer to "virgin" than AT&T's version. The challenge is warranty service both because you'd have to send it to Canada for repair (assuming Rogers' services a phone for a non-subscriber) and because Knox prevents resetting the warranty status if a non-standard ROM's been flashed. Speaking of which, you'd probably only be able to flash Rogers' ROMs via Odin unless their N3 was a "pure" i9505 capable of using international ROMs.
And as someone above mentioned there's some question as to what "unlocked" means with the N3 as there are now regional limitations on top of carrier's locking phones to their networks.
If I find a true international N3 that works on AT&T's LTE that's not regionally SIM locked I'll let you know. Until then I'm sticking with AT&T's version and hoping they haven't molested it too badly.
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Lets knock off the keyboard hero stuff and get back on topic.
The N9005 doesn't work on AT&T LTE, it is missing bands 700/1700
designgears said:
The N9005 doesn't work on AT&T LTE, it is missing bands 700/1700
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Will the N9005 work on the Rogers network in Canada? I have no idea what these bands and frequencies mean, I just know that I need LTE to work.
choch69 said:
Will the N9005 work on the Rogers network in Canada? I have no idea what these bands and frequencies mean, I just know that I need LTE to work.
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You can't just say "N9005" and expect to get an answer. "N9005" refers to generic Snapdragon 800 LTE capable version of GN3, but each country and carrier in the world has different LTE bands enabled in that Snapdragon's SoC radio. Find your Rogers here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It operates on bands 4 and 7 - none of the Euro countries' carriers work on band 4, as you can see from the list. AT&T USA, T-Mobile USA and Rogers CA should be LTE cross compatible in most coverage areas, but not all.
If you buy N9005 version with unlocked bootloader - later, when someone makes Odin compatible with GN3 you will be able to flash Roger's LTE modem firmware to your N9005, no matter which country it is from and what LTE bands it currently has enabled
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Okay well I was looking to buy an unlocked N9005 from the UK. Since none of the euro countries work on band 4, what about band 7? Do both bands need to be working in order to get LTE? The problem with buying this in my country is that there wont be a 64gb option available.
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Okay well I was looking to buy an unlocked N9005 from the UK. Since none of the euro countries work on band 4, what about band 7? Do both bands need to be working in order to get LTE? The problem with buying this in my country is that there wont be a 64gb option available.
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Some carriers, which operate on dual band LTE use one band for upstream, and the other for downstream. If that is the case with Rogers you will have to have a phone with both bands enabled, to get LTE service from Rogers. However, even if that is not the case and both bands 4 and 7 are independent - Rogers has towers all over Canada, and in some regions those towers will operate on band 4, in other regions it will be band 7 and in some places towers will support both. By getting a phone that supports only band 7 you will greatly reduce your LTE coverage area. What percentage of Rogers' network uses what band - those details are publicly available, so you can either Google it or just call Rogers and ask. I would recommend against getting a phone, that supports only band 7, unless you plan on flashing Roger's modem to it later.
This not quite correct. A band, by definition includes both the up and downstream frequencies. Only one band is used at a time. Rogers happens to use band 4 and band 7. One is not reliant on the other. If you are in an area with band 7 coverage (most of Rogers LTE coverage has both) you will be able to use a N9005.
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Some carriers, which operate on dual band LTE use one band for upstream, and the other for downstream. If that is the case with Rogers you will have to have a phone with both bands enabled, to get LTE service from Rogers. However, even if that is not the case and both bands 4 and 7 are independent - Rogers has towers all over Canada, and in some regions those towers will operate on band 4, in other regions it will be band 7 and in some places towers will support both. By getting a phone that supports only band 7 you will greatly reduce your LTE coverage area. What percentage of Rogers' network uses what band - those details are publicly available, so you can either Google it or just call Rogers and ask. I would recommend against getting a phone, that supports only band 7, unless you plan on flashing Roger's modem to it later.
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omegacell said:
This not quite correct. A band, by definition includes both the up and downstream frequencies. Only one band is used at a time. Rogers happens to use band 4 and band 7. One is not reliant on the other. If you are in an area with band 7 coverage (most of Rogers LTE coverage has both) you will be able to use a N9005.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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The OP needs to take into consideration that If he buys from an online retailer an international unit, this unit will need to be activated in its intended region before he can use it in the states.
Apo11on said:
you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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I've never heard of that. Seems like a problematic setup since the RF properties of bands can vary so much. Seems like you would get in a situation where you have up but not downstream or vice versa.
Yes, you would need a N9005 from Asia, not Europe as those are region locked.
omegacell said:
Yes, you would need a N9005 from Asia, not Europe as those are region locked.
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Do you have a link for a source, where you got that information from? Or better yet - list of countries/markets, where GN3 will not be region locked?
Apo11on said:
Do you have a link for a source, where you got that information from? Or better yet - list of countries/markets, where GN3 will not be region locked?
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Email me or hit me me up through my site. We're a retailer/wholesaler, not sure if I'm allowed to post about that since it would be "advertising".
omegacell said:
Email me or hit me me up through my site. We're a retailer/wholesaler, not sure if I'm allowed to post about that since it would be "advertising".
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that is a valuable information, which a lot of people, watching this thread could use, not just me. I don't think it will be considered as advertising. People in this thread are looking to buy international GN3, which will work on AT&T in US. If the phone is region locked then it won't work. Therefore, listing the countries, where there is no region lock would be very much relevant to this topic.
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that is a valuable information, which a lot of people, watching this thread could use, not just me. I don't think it will be considered as advertising. People in this thread are looking to buy international GN3, which will work on AT&T in US. If the phone is region locked then it won't work. Therefore, listing the countries, where there is no region lock would be very much relevant to this topic.[/QUOTEN
N9005 from HK or Singapore (perhaps others too) will work.
The South American N9000 are region locked to South American, North American, carribean etc. SIM cards (western hemisphere).
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I see that the Sony mobile US site has the z3c listed as coming soon. Is it best to just wait for that to come out or will the European version fully support all of the AT&T bands? I'd hate to import a phone and not get the best reception/internet.
I know it was suggested in another thread that it would work with AT&T but then there was some confusion in another thread about the phone possibly missing 1 or 2 bands. Any help from an expert would be greatly appreciated.
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I know Sony's white papers have been wrong in the past (Z1 Compact with glass back, grrrr ) but the one for the Z3 Compact D5803 has 4G bands Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 20.
I've had a hunt around for AT&T's 4G bands but this seems a but trickier as it seems dependent on region, going by wikipedia it looks like the main bands are 2, 4 and 17 which are all supported by the European version per the above. It probably doesn't help that I'm not from the US and I don't have enough posts to add the URLs, sorry.
I feel like I remember reading back in the day that some companies used bands of the same frequency that weren't cross compatible. It's always made me nervous about buying non US phones. However my info could be wrong.
When I was in the states, I got a AT&T sim card. My phone definitely says that it has the lte bands. Still, it only displayed h+ while I was there. I did not bother to go back to the store and check because the speed was very good anyway. So maybe it's because the bands are different or it was working on 4g but just not displaying it, I don't know.
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tudork said:
When I was in the states, I got a AT&T sim card. My phone definitely says that it has the lte bands. Still, it only displayed h+ while I was there. I did not bother to go back to the store and check because the speed was very good anyway. So maybe it's because the bands are different or it was working on 4g but just not displaying it, I don't know.
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AT&T must provision your sim for LTE otherwise you'll only receive 3G even if the phone is capable of 4G. Usually they do this based on the IMEI of your device and if it's a non AT&T phone then it won't appear in their database as LTE capable. There are ways for them to manually configure the sim for LTE by contacting support.
The UK model D5803 definitely supports AT&Ts LTE on bands 2, 4, and 17.
Does AT&T have more bands than 2,4,17?
I found when googling AT&T LTE bands that they apparently have also started to use band 5 (850mhz) but that's still supported by the Z3 compact. This was both on AT&T's forums and howardforums but I'm not sure if AT&T need to do something else to enable LTE support on that particular device. I think my own network (3 UK) has to do this as it took a few months for my unlocked Moto X to pick up their 4G network.
From AT&T: https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/byop.html
Refer to the manufacturer's website to verify your unlocked device works with a SIM card on an AT&T GSM network frequency:
• 3G UMTS network 850/1900MHz bands
• 4G LTE network AWS / 700 / 850 / 1900MHz bands
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AWS (1700/2100MHz) is band 4 (Blocks A, B, C, D, E)
700MHz is band 17 (blocks B, C)
850MHz is band 5
1900MHz is band 2
The overwhelming majority of AT&T LTE is on band 17. Bands 2 and 4 are used for additional capacity in some markets and/or some rural/smaller market coverage. I'm not sure they've rolled anything out on band 5 yet, but even so the Z3c has that covered.
OK,
thank you very much for the additional research. It seemed like that was the case but I don't trust my own opinion since I haven't done any real looking into this type of stuff in like 4 years.
derekmarch said:
OK,
thank you very much for the additional research. It seemed like that was the case but I don't trust my own opinion since I haven't done any real looking into this type of stuff in like 4 years.
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To answer your original question, as far as we know there is no US model of the Z3c, only the EU D5803 and Asia D5833. If Sony sells it unlocked in the US it will probably be the D5803.
In preparation, hopefully I'll have it in a week.
Programming non-AT&T devices with the correct APN and MMS data settings
Subscribing since I'm very interested in this phone and my service provider is AT&T
Works great. I live in both NY and San Francisco, and I get LTE everywhere on AT&T.
I imported the D5803 (EU) model through Expansys.
Yes. Just make sure to get the d5803 model.
I'm about to buy a OnePlus 3T.
I live in Sweden and travel in Europe from time to time.
Will the A3010 work well for me (even with 4G)?
I have already looked at willmyphonework.net/ but it only says:
"Device is compatible with some of the network carriers frequencies. It may work."
What practical advantages would I notice with a A3003(European version) vs the A3010(China version)?
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I'm about to buy a OnePlus 3T.
I live in Sweden and travel in Europe from time to time.
Will the A3010 work well for me (even with 4G)?
I have already looked at willmyphonework.net/ but it only says:
"Device is compatible with some of the network carriers frequencies. It may work."
What practical advantages would I notice with a A3003(European version) vs the A3010(China version)?
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The main difference between OnePlus 3T A3003 and A3010 is the A3003 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/20/38/40, which is the international model while A3010 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/38/39/40/41, which is the China model.
basically you wont have support for this bands on 4G
white-k said:
I'm about to buy a OnePlus 3T.
I live in Sweden and travel in Europe from time to time.
Will the A3010 work well for me (even with 4G)?
I have already looked at willmyphonework.net/ but it only says:
"Device is compatible with some of the network carriers frequencies. It may work."
What practical advantages would I notice with a A3003(European version) vs the A3010(China version)?
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The only LTE band that is missing on A3010 is Band20. Most of Sweden network carriers are using Band7 so you are good to go. When you go aboard is a different story. But you are also more flexible because you can chose the roaming network. All you have to do is to chose a supported network carrier.
alvin182 said:
The main difference between OnePlus 3T A3003 and A3010 is the A3003 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/20/38/40, which is the international model while A3010 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/38/39/40/41, which is the China model.
basically you wont have support for this bands on 4G
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I'm confused by this. By those numbers it seems that the China model covers all the numbers as the Europe mode,l plus a few more. If so, then what bands are missing?
Or doesn't it work that way? Please help me understand
Edit: Oh... I missed to see band 20. But what does it mean practically that the China model misses band 20? How will I notice it?
vladimir_carlan said:
The only LTE band that is missing on A3010 is Band20. Most of Sweden network carriers are using Band7 so you are good to go. When you go aboard is a different story. But you are also more flexible because you can chose the roaming network. All you have to do is to chose a supported network carrier.
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Okay. What does it mean practically that the China model misses band 20?
How would I be likely to notice it when using my phone?
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Okay. What does it mean practically that the China model misses band 20?
How would I be likely to notice it when using my phone?
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On a network that is using Band20 you'll have only HSDPA connectivity. Basically the phone will work just fine except the fact you won't have LTE connectivity. You'd have only 2G/3G/H+
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On a network that is using Band20 you'll have only HSDPA connectivity. Basically the phone will work just fine except the fact you won't have LTE connectivity. You'd have only 2G/3G/H+
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Thank you. It's getting somewhat clearer. Okay, but how likely am I to run in to Band20? Is that band (the only one missing from China model) more likely to be used than any of all of the other bands that are listed?
white-k said:
Thank you. It's getting somewhat clearer. Okay, but how likely am I to run in to Band20? Is that band (the only one missing from China model) more likely to be used than any of all of the other bands that are listed?
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I'll give you the UK example. In UK there's 3 LTE bands in use: 3,7 and 20. Other put 2600Mhz, 1800Mhz and 800Mhz (that's Band20 btw...). Only O2 is using only Band 20. All other providers are using at least one extra LTE band. EE is using all three LTE bands, Vodafone is using band 3 and band 20 and Three is using band 7 and band 20.
Now here is the thing... Those network checkers are telling that your device might work. But is not always the case. Here is the Vodafone UK example. As I said they are using Band 3 and Band 20. Now let's take a phone with Band3 but not Band 20 (for example my former Xiaomi Mi5). Will work on LTE but only in urban areas. Why? Because in rural areas the band used are band 7 and 20. Why? Lower frequencies are better at travelling long distances so are more suitable for rural areas where there are fewer masts. Also Band 20 provide better indoor coverage. But if you live in an urban area Band 3 and 7 are more likely to be used. The higher the frequency means higher capacity and therefore the ability to deal with more users which is a must in an urban area.
All in all the best way is to call your provider and ask what frequency they are using in YOUR area. If they are using 1800Mhz or 2600Mhz you are good to go. If not...I'm sorry.
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Just for my curiosity why are interested on a China version and not on a Europe one?
Here is the list of LTE bands used by Sweden network carriers. Take a look at it and you'll see if China version is good to go on your provider.
If you're primarily going to use it in Sweden, I would go with the A3003 (that's what I did, but then I seldom leave Jämtland ?).
vladimir_carlan said:
I'll give you the UK example. In UK there's 3 LTE bands in use: 3,7 and 20. Other put 2600Mhz, 1800Mhz and 800Mhz (that's Band20 btw...). Only O2 is using only Band 20. All other providers are using at least one extra LTE band. EE is using all three LTE bands, Vodafone is using band 3 and band 20 and Three is using band 7 and band 20.
Now here is the thing... Those network checkers are telling that your device might work. But is not always the case. Here is the Vodafone UK example. As I said they are using Band 3 and Band 20. Now let's take a phone with Band3 but not Band 20 (for example my former Xiaomi Mi5). Will work on LTE but only in urban areas. Why? Because in rural areas the band used are band 7 and 20. Why? Lower frequencies are better at travelling long distances so are more suitable for rural areas where there are fewer masts. Also Band 20 provide better indoor coverage. But if you live in an urban area Band 3 and 7 are more likely to be used. The higher the frequency means higher capacity and therefore the ability to deal with more users which is a must in an urban area.
All in all the best way is to call your provider and ask what frequency they are using in YOUR area. If they are using 1800Mhz or 2600Mhz you are good to go. If not...I'm sorry.
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Just for my curiosity why are interested on a China version and not on a Europe one?
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Wow. Now that was a good response! You really seem to know your stuff! Cool. :good:
Okay. Now I understand things a lot better too.
I use Telenor (and spend quite some time in Jämtland (rural) like another poster here:good.
Well I plan to buy my phone on ebay and the annoying thing is that the A3003 is about $100 more expensive than the A3010. I still think it is hard to decide if it will be worth an extra $100 for the Europe version...
You should not only consider LTE Bands, but also consider LTE CA.
Hong Kong/ Europe Model (A3003)
FDD-LTE/ 4G: Bands 1/3/5/7/8/20
TDD-LTE/ 4G: Bands 38/40
LTE CA / 4G+:
B3+B7, B3+B8, B3+B20, B7+B20, B3+B3, B3C, B7+B7, B7C, B40C
China Model (A3010)
FDD-LTE/ 4G : Bands 1/3/5/7/8
TDD-LTE/ 4G: Bands 38/39/40/41
LTE CA/ 4G+:
B1+B3, B39+B41, B39C, B40C, B41+B41, B41C，B38C
American Model (A3000)
FDD-LTE: Bands 1/2/4/5/7/8/12/17/30
LTE CA/ 4G+:
B2+B12, B2+B17, B4+B7, B4+B17, B12+B30,B2+B2, B2C, B4+B4, B4+B12, B4+B5, B2+B5
Ok. I ended up buying the EU-version as I found one that was just $40 more expensive.
Many thanks for making this more understandable guys! *thumbs up*
As in the subject.
Thanks in advice
It will work fine as long as the following is true.
1) The device is sim unlocked
2) The QUALLCOMM chipset supports the network bands your carrier supports.
If your on Verizon in the us and traveling to Europe as long as you have the proper international service package on your phone you should not have issues for 2g and 3g, LTE should mostly works fine 5g may.
Thanks for answer. Good news
I live in EU and consider buy version from amazon us with snap:
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Unlocked-Smartphone-Pro-Grade-SM-G998UZKEXAA/dp/B08P54F6HB
Hello All,
I do often travel around the world. Thats the reason why i choose the OnePlus Nord CE model (the Website promote to support a lot of LTE Bands).
Now I read, that OnePlus disable some LTE Bands for the area outside you live.
I've the EB13BA (EU) model.
Which LTE Bands are supported with that model?
Is it possible to unlock the other Bands?
Will the install of the Global Firmware, unlock the LTE Bands?
Thank you an best regards.
timbach12 said:
Hello All,
I do often travel around the world. Thats the reason why i choose the OnePlus Nord CE model (the Website promote to support a lot of LTE Bands).
Now I read, that OnePlus disable some LTE Bands for the area outside you live.
I've the EB13BA (EU) model.
Which LTE Bands are supported with that model?
Is it possible to unlock the other Bands?
Will the install of the Global Firmware, unlock the LTE Bands?
Thank you an best regards.
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A prepaid SIM such as "SIM2Fly", which is used temporarily when traveling, will probably work fine.
By the way, my "EB13AA" is
Gsm: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
Wcdma: v1/2/4/5/6/8/19
LTE-FDD: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/26/28/66
LTE-TDD: B38/39/40/41
The number of bands is very wide, so the question is probably whether you need "VoLTE" or not.
For Japanese carrier SIMs, many are "VoLTE", so this phone without it enabled will be a Wi-fi only device.
In fact I have been working on that problem for a very long time, and I was able to turn it on only when the OS was "11.0.1.1.EB13AA", but all later OSes were impossible.
There is a bias in the OS files available, and "11.0.1.1.EB13AA" is not currently available on the Internet.
hy, thank you for your reply. I downloaded the 11.0.1.1.EB13AA version on the OnePlus site. But im not sure if it will unlock other LTE Bands. As i say i have the European and not the Global version. Is there a diffrent between a travel SIM and a native SIM?
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hy, thank you for your reply. I downloaded the 11.0.1.1.EB13AA version on the OnePlus site. But im not sure if it will unlock other LTE Bands. As i say i have the European and not the Global version. Is there a diffrent between a travel SIM and a native SIM?
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In most cases, a travel SIM can be plugged into a device to get a signal and use it.
I don't know the specifics of the SIM, but the travel SIM should cover the common LTE bands.
And
OnePlus will disable some LTE bands in the area outside where you live.
Even if this is true, it should not disable common LTE bands in the world, such as B3/B20.
This is mostly speculation, but I hope it helps.
If you are unsure, it is fun to flash globalROM boldly.