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Searching for a phone same as Moto G 2014

Hi there,
is anyone aware of a phone similar to Moto G 2014 BUT with much more RAM? (> 3GB)
I can't find any.
Important: Dual-SIM and extra SD card slot. Front facing Stereo speakers. Same rubbish material. Same rounded desing. Notification LED.
Kr,
DocMAX

Moto X Pure/Style
With that much required RAM, you will never be able to find a low-end or mid range device.

No dual SIM

NO Dual Sim

macarōnin said:
Moto X Pure/Style
With that much required RAM, you will never be able to find a low-end or mid range device.
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. Look at the Alcatel Idol 3 (5.5"). It might come close to what you're looking for.

garyben60 said:
. Look at the Alcatel Idol 3 (5.5"). It might come close to what you're looking for.
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Only 1 and 2 GB RAM .
But otherwise ok (good design).

Seriously, who needs 3gb ram on a phone ?
I agree that 1gb isn't always enough (especially when using ram intensive apps like Facebook and messenger) but 3gb ?
Every games I have tried work fine on 2gb.
Unless you use it as a game server, which is rare on a phone, it is completely useless.
That's what I think.
And I am not talking about the cost.

Mavireck said:
Seriously, who needs 3gb ram on a phone ?
I agree that 1gb isn't always enough (especially when using ram intensive apps like Facebook and messenger) but 3gb ?
Every games I have tried work fine on 2gb.
Unless you use it as a game server, which is rare on a phone, it is completely useless.
That's what I think.
And I am not talking about the cost.
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Obviously you never had a phone with 3GB of ram. If you have a lot of apps installed it's very nice to have all those apps running in the background without waiting for an app to start when you click on the icon.

Obviously it is better !
What I mean is why searching for a phone which doesn't exist or paying hundreds of dollars to buy a phone "because it has 3gb of ram" ?
I have a friend who has a phone with 3gb of ram. It ran just as smooth as my tablet with 2gb.
On this tablet I never quit my apps and I often find a office document still open on background which has not been closed, 3 after and the app is not reloading. It is still in ram.
If I were docMax I would stop searching and I would buy a cheap, good looking phone with 2 gb of ram.
P.S. OK I agree my post wasn't very helpful it didn't help him in his research.

Mavireck said:
Obviously it is better !
What I mean is why searching for a phone which doesn't exist or paying hundreds of dollars to buy a phone "because it has 3gb of ram" ?
I have a friend who has a phone with 3gb of ram. It ran just as smooth as my tablet with 2gb.
On this tablet I never quit my apps and I often find a office document still open on background which has not been closed, 3 after and the app is not reloading. It is still in ram.
If I were docMax I would stop searching and I would buy a cheap, good looking phone with 2 gb of ram.
P.S. OK I agree my post wasn't very helpful it didn't help him in his research.
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Right. After bricking my moto g I bought a redmi note 3 which has 3GB of RAM. And sometimes when I use a lot of social media apps and some work related apps like gmail, word, adobe, etc. I have only around 400MB of free ram. But of course 2GB for most users is enough.

note 9 8gb or 6gb ?

hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?

I have the 8 gb ram version. You can absolutely settle for the 6 gb. I have great battery life compared to my old Note 8
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babak said:
hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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Man you don't even need 6gb.

Jammol said:
Man you don't even need 6gb.
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I always say "Get as much ram as you can get, computer, phone etc" Get as much as possible

oneandroidnut said:
I always say "Get as much ram as you can get, computer, phone etc" Get as much as possible
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I feel you. How long you planning on keep the Note 9?

If it's going to be a 2-3 year device then absolutely get the 8gb, I would get it anyway, but seeing as you asked.....:silly:

babak said:
hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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I'd be less worried about the ram and more concerned with the storage. Do you pan on keeping the phone 1 year or 2? Capture a lot of video? If so, will a lot be 4k? Plan on using DEX?
If 128GB will serve you fine then save your money. If 512GB suits your needs better then by all means, get it. For the comments about RAM for a phone 6GB is plenty for this phone but would definitely see a tangible benefit if you use DEX. Also, if you have access to the expertise and resources, swapping out storage on a smartphone is much easier than swapping out RAM. It's not the hardest thing in the world to change your flash but it ain't easy and takes good eyesight and good hand eye coordination, not to mention the special hardware needed to get your phone flashed proper like from the factory.

Duncan1982 said:
If it's going to be a 2-3 year device then absolutely get the 8gb, I would get it anyway, but seeing as you asked.....:silly:
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This ^^^^
In my case I always upgrade yearly, so wasn't worth it for me.
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babak said:
hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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I went for the 8GB of RAM and waited 3 weeks past release day for it. The main reason I was set on the 8GB of RAM is because I had the S9+ which has 6GB of RAM and wanted to see if there was a difference and the only real reason to upgrade from the S9+ is the 8GB of RAM and larger battery, and I can tell you from personal experience I see NO DIFFERENCE in performance from the 6GB of RAM on the S9+ compared to the 8GB of RAM on the Note9 regarding how the phone performs. BUT I can tell you the battery life is superb on the Note9 compared to the S9+ and I love the larger screen. But your question was which RAM size, and I now I can without a shadow of doubt say 6GB of RAM and save yourself the extra $250.

Jammol said:
I feel you. How long you planning on keep the Note 9?
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year at the most probably. it has a lot to beat that the pixel 2 offers

I keep my devices till they die. I have one of the first Nexus 6p's and it is beyond dead so that's my only reason for upgrading. This is why i went 8gb in hopes to (somewhat/kinda) future proof myself.

Thanks guys, for me the storage volume of 512 GB does not make any sense and I prefer to use a micro sd that after every formatting does not delete everything copied the data stored.
If you say that between 6g of ram and 8gb there is not a substantial difference, then I take the 6gb and I hope that in view of future updates I do not regret.

You're not going to notice a performance difference unless you somehow figure out how to peg the RAM. RAM management in a smartphone and a computer are 2 totally different beasts. Where you might notice the difference though is the amount of apps you have open and how fast you can switch between apps instead of waiting for it to reload from storage. That is going to be the biggest benefit and probably not many of us will see it and that is a big difference, especially at how good Android is at multitasking. Plus two apps at once. And again, DEX probably has a noticeable difference with 2 extra GB handy.

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You're not going to notice a performance difference unless you somehow figure out how to peg the RAM. RAM management in a smartphone and a computer are 2 totally different beasts. Where you might notice the difference though is the amount of apps you have open and how fast you can switch between apps instead of waiting for it to reload from storage. That is going to be the biggest benefit and probably not many of us will see it and that is a big difference, especially at how good Android is at multitasking. Plus two apps at once. And again, DEX probably has a noticeable difference with 2 extra GB handy.
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for multitasking I find myself already very well with note8 (6gb ram), but the dilema is dex and check a pushed multitasking if it makes the difference, but I would like to be sure and not based only on the assumptions.

I have not tried myself as I don't have both versions. But on YouTube there are quite a few videos that show the 8GB version allows more apps to open. This has to be a huge plus especially if you end up using DEX a lot. I am still surprised at how useful Samsung made DEX. They turned Android into a very useful and friendly desktop experience. I don't have the itch yet, but am eager to see how well emulation works through DEX. That will be freaking awesome if no noticeable latency using a USB or Bluetooth controller.

babak said:
Thanks guys, for me the storage volume of 512 GB does not make any sense and I prefer to use a micro sd that after every formatting does not delete everything copied the data stored.
If you say that between 6g of ram and 8gb there is not a substantial difference, then I take the 6gb and I hope that in view of future updates I do not regret.
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4K 60 is recorded on internal storage. In fact I think it stores all 4k on internal. Not 100% sure though. Personally, 128gb fills up in around 3 months for me, so if you install lots of apps and games, and take lots of video, then 512gb is the way to go. It's never a good idea to rely only on SD surely. I haven't used an SD card in .. well.... 3 or 4 years.

Jonathan-H said:
4K 60 is recorded on internal storage. In fact I think it stores all 4k on internal. Not 100% sure though. Personally, 128gb fills up in around 3 months for me, so if you install lots of apps and games, and take lots of video, then 512gb is the way to go. It's never a good idea to rely only on SD surely. I haven't used an SD card in .. well.... 3 or 4 years.
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Ok, but tell me this, every time you wip the phone if you do not make a backup first, you lose everything, so you explain to me what sense does it have a large storage if you also need to have a copy somewhere else?
for me it is simply ridiculous.
videos in 4k 60 also have a time limit, so I do not think that some videos create big files so they need a storage of the genre.
The only thing that interests me at the end is the ram.

babak said:
Ok, but tell me this, every time you wip the phone if you do not make a backup first, you lose everything, so you explain to me what sense does it have a large storage if you also need to have a copy somewhere else?
for me it is simply ridiculous.
videos in 4k 60 also have a time limit, so I do not think that some videos create big files so they need a storage of the genre.
The only thing that interests me at the end is the ram.
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I back up to my laptop, plenty of room there for storage. I also only wipe maybe once a year at best, when a problem occurs.
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I back up to my laptop, plenty of room there for storage. I also only wipe maybe once a year at best, when a problem occurs.
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even with my note8 I backup the computer, so what changes? only longer periods? no thanks.
We talk about ram and if price diffrence is justified.
as for the ram I do not find any tests on dex on the web

At the end of the day it comes down to you...
I personally, if I can afford it, get the biggest memory and RAM, simply due to prefering to having and not needing vs. needing and not having...
If you want to spend the extra $$$ then great otherwise don't. It can't hurt to have extra ram or storage and on my 8gb version I find DEX runs fine... It's more about heat than RAM... As the phone heats up I've had a few lags, but I use a 3rd party USB-c hub... Haven't played around with the dock as yet though I do have it...

would you upgrade to the 8gb note 9?

So looking at the note 10 designs it looks like its going to have the hole punch. ( which I dont like)
At the moment the note 9 8gb version is on sale at £649. Trade in of my 6gb version will get me £340.
Is it worth the £309 price difference to get the extra ram and storage and the hybrid sim version bearing in mind I'm going to stick with the note 9 until at least the note 11?

Not in my opinion, I doubt you'd notice the extra ram that much and you could buy an SD card for much cheaper if you really needed extra storage.

clax6 said:
So looking at the note 10 designs it looks like its going to have the hole punch. ( which I dont like)
At the moment the note 9 8gb version is on sale at £649. Trade in of my 6gb version will get me £340.
Is it worth the £309 price difference to get the extra ram and storage and the hybrid sim version bearing in mind I'm going to stick with the note 9 until at least the note 11?
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In my opinion, it depends on what you do with your phone...
Do you play heavy games or daily basis activities?
If only daily basis activities (Email, Gmail, Word, Excel, Facebook, Reddit, Telegram or others) then 6GB would be enough, my opinion only.
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No, 6gb is enough

Save your money. Your existing note will be good until it dies. Companies keep adding minute changes to their "next flagships" to play with our minds to buy their new phones. They want your money is all it is. Keep your note 9. But it you have the extra cash then have at it.

I've had both and you absolutely cant tell a difference

Carlosmff said:
In my opinion, it depends on what you do with your phone...
Do you play heavy games or daily basis activities?
If only daily basis activities (Email, Gmail, Word, Excel, Facebook, Reddit, Telegram or others) then 6GB would be enough, my opinion only.
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That worked on you? You know it's all a gimmick right?

Jammol said:
That worked on you? You know it's all a gimmick right?
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Not sure why someone thinks the ram would effect game performance.. especially when going from 6gb to 8gb lol. I don't think most people know what ram really is or does honestly.

crixley said:
Not sure why someone thinks the ram would effect game performance.. especially when going from 6gb to 8gb lol. I don't think most people know what ram really is or does honestly.
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Hum Does not affect games... right... well smart guy... please clarify us... and tell us what RAM is and how does this not affect games...
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Carlosmff said:
Hum Does not affect games... right... well smart guy... please clarify us... and tell us what RAM is and how does this not affect games...
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Ram is random access memory and effects how many applications stay open in the background. If you're planning on running ten resource heavy games open at once maybe. Game performance would be much more heavily impacted by the GPU and CPU performance than by the amount of ram (which from 6 to 8gb would have no effect whatsoever I would guess). Unless you're planning on switching back and forth between two very intensive games I can't see why this would benefit you.
How about you instead tell me how it benefits game performance? Smart guy lol

I have 8/512 note 9, only reason is i need 2 things.. huuge storage and 2 sim cards...if no need for 2 sims i would get 6/128 and stick sd card inside

crixley said:
Ram is random access memory and effects how many applications stay open in the background. If you're planning on running ten resource heavy games open at once maybe. Game performance would be much more heavily impacted by the GPU and CPU performance than by the amount of ram (which from 6 to 8gb would have no effect whatsoever I would guess). Unless you're planning on switching back and forth between two very intensive games I can't see why this would benefit you.
How about you instead tell me how it benefits game performance? Smart guy lol
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The current industry of smartphone tech reminds me of the PC age. Not to mention, when ram levels started increasing and folks kept closing out their background apps to "get the device to be faster." I still chuckle at those days.?

Jammol said:
The current industry of smartphone tech reminds me of the PC age. Not to mention, when ram levels started increasing and folks kept closing out their background apps to "get the device to be faster." I still chuckle at those days.?
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Or when they kept putting out higher and higher megapixel cameras because people thought megapixels = quality lol

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Or when they kept putting out higher and higher megapixel cameras because people thought megapixels = quality lol
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Manufacturers are trying to get us back to wanting more megapixels yet again; they got us hating bezels because our phone started to be good enough to keep for more than a year; they got us obsessed with the amount of RAM there is in our phones and how the CPU benchmarks. I've got a Note 9 and a Mi Max 3 and I honestly could happily use either of them day-to-day. Manufacturers in all industries have a duty to make us want to crave things, and they do a good job of it. To answer the question though - no the OP should not upgrade unless they have money to burn as RAM will have absolutely no difference on gaming performance or day-to-day performance - it's just a psychological up-sell to get people to get the 512GB model. Also did you really say you'd be effectively selling your Note for £349??

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Manufacturers are trying to get us back to wanting more megapixels yet again; they got us hating bezels because our phone started to be good enough to keep for more than a year; they got us obsessed with the amount of RAM there is in our phones and how the CPU benchmarks. I've got a Note 9 and a Mi Max 3 and I honestly could happily use either of them day-to-day. Manufacturers in all industries have a duty to make us want to crave things, and they do a good job of it. To answer the question though - no the OP should not upgrade unless they have money to burn as RAM will have absolutely no difference on gaming performance or day-to-day performance - it's just a psychological up-sell to get people to get the 512GB model. Also did you really say you'd be effectively selling your Note for £349??
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Yes that is the trade in price.
After reading lots of posts (as well as this one) about the 2 different models I'm going to stick with what I've got. I have a 256 sd card so I have plenty of storage and as regards ram unless your doing a speed test side by side I dont think I'm going to notice. I'm probably going to stick a sim only sim in September when my contract ends and hold out with the 9 until i either break it or something revolutionary comes out. Which i doubt.
Another thing that i think the 9 has in its favour is the fact that it DOES have a forehead and chin as when watching videos you dont cover any of the screen where as with a real edge to edge like the s10 and most probably the note 10 i think it will be an issue let alone the pesky hole punch!
Thanks for all the replies

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Or when they kept putting out higher and higher megapixel cameras because people thought megapixels = quality lol
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clax6 said:
Yes that is the trade in price.
After reading lots of posts (as well as this one) about the 2 different models I'm going to stick with what I've got. I have a 256 sd card so I have plenty of storage and as regards ram unless your doing a speed test side by side I dont think I'm going to notice. I'm probably going to stick a sim only sim in September when my contract ends and hold out with the 9 until i either break it or something revolutionary comes out. Which i doubt.
Another thing that i think the 9 has in its favour is the fact that it DOES have a forehead and chin as when watching videos you dont cover any of the screen where as with a real edge to edge like the s10 and most probably the note 10 i think it will be an issue let alone the pesky hole punch!
Thanks for all the replies
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I sometimes use an older iPhone and I really do love the bezels as far as usability goes. All the newer phones lead to me catching UI elements - for example I'm a big YouTube watcher and the only phone I've used recently where I never accidently skip videos when moving my phone around is the iPhone. The other downside to bezels being removed is that phones really do all look pretty much the same now.
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clax6 said:
Yes that is the trade in price.
After reading lots of posts (as well as this one) about the 2 different models I'm going to stick with what I've got. I have a 256 sd card so I have plenty of storage and as regards ram unless your doing a speed test side by side I dont think I'm going to notice. I'm probably going to stick a sim only sim in September when my contract ends and hold out with the 9 until i either break it or something revolutionary comes out. Which i doubt.
Another thing that i think the 9 has in its favour is the fact that it DOES have a forehead and chin as when watching videos you dont cover any of the screen where as with a real edge to edge like the s10 and most probably the note 10 i think it will be an issue let alone the pesky hole punch!
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As for RAM, whatever anyone says, it has no bearing on actual application speed - all RAM does is hold applications in memory. Apps are flushed from memory according to space and the particular memory setup the manufacturer implements. Some manufacturers throw loads of RAM at their devices but their battery management is so brutal that it's almost worthless.
Google themselves think 4GB is enough, and cynicism aside, they do actually write the OS, which the manufacturers don't. If anyone knows how much RAM is necessary it's Google IMO. I can't think what would motivate them to think otherwise. Unless you have applications hogging loads of RAM, the worst you can expect with less RAM is that an application you had open a while back has to re-open again. With 6GB of RAM this should rarely be an issue, and many apps freeze their state anyway

Tend to agree that you likely wouldn't see much benefit with extra RAM and I certainly don't think extra 2Gb at a cost of £300 is good value.
That said I can see the appeal of 512Gb internal storage versus 128Gb
If you really want an 8Gb / 512Gb Note 9 then wait until Note 10 is on sale, I guarantee Note 9 price will fall significantly and the difference to upgrade to 8Gb / 512Gb Note 9 will likely be less expensive.

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its a pickup right?
like the ones people like to have "in case they need to hull stuff" which happens 2 x every 5 years.
or like when constructions workers think they need a pickup because coming to work in a car is so unprofessional but unfortunately everyone knows ure not aloud to use your own personal machinery on construction sites.
or even: pollution on 4 wheels?
lol ok jokes over.

You won't notice any difference between the 6GB and the 8GB models

clax6 said:
So looking at the note 10 designs it looks like its going to have the hole punch. ( which I dont like)
At the moment the note 9 8gb version is on sale at £649. Trade in of my 6gb version will get me £340.
Is it worth the £309 price difference to get the extra ram and storage and the hybrid sim version bearing in mind I'm going to stick with the note 9 until at least the note 11?
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Monitor your memory usage. If you never approach 6GB utilization, then you'll never gain anything with an extra two GB. Have you filled 128 GB with content you couldn't put on a $50 SD card?

6GB Or 8GB

I am planning to buy k20 pro. can someone please suggest if 6gb varient has no lag or I should buy 8gb. I read many articles which confirms that buying 8gb is waste of money as it will not make any performance change. currently, I am using MI A2 as per developer option I can see my usage is around 3gb but not sure why phones lags a lot. Can someone please suggest on Redmi K20 pro please

Depends on your multitasking and usage pattern.
In the 6GB model you get around 5.7GB total RAM and from that around 2.2GB of RAM is consumed by the OS and kernel.
If you use heavy apps and games and like to multitask between them often ..like txting someone on facebook or instagram and getting back to chrome/youtube/games etc then do consider the 8gb model as you'll face far less stutters and microlags on that vs the 6gb model.
It's ofcourse smooth on the 6GB ram to but you just get that extra headroom on the latter model to strech your android's legs a little bit more

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Depends on your multitasking and usage pattern.
In the 6GB model you get around 5.7GB total RAM and from that around 2.2GB of RAM is consumed by the OS and kernel.
If you use heavy apps and games and like to multitask between them often ..like txting someone on facebook or instagram and getting back to chrome/youtube/games etc then do consider the 8gb model as you'll face far less stutters and microlags on that vs the 6gb model.
It's ofcourse smooth on the 6GB ram to but you just get that extra headroom on the latter model to strech your android's legs a little bit more
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Thank you for your valuable information.

Since the price difference between them is somewhat small,
I'd go for the 8 gig version, every day of the week. The phone
is still very cheap, and offers the most bang for the buck.....
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Question S21 Ultra RAM size matters?

Hi All! Leaving the internal memory size apart, is 16 GB RAM worth the pocket stretch? Does it make a difference in any specific scenarios?
I am asking because, in my usage case, I don't need 512 GB internal memory, as I keep my files (including music, recorded videos etc.) backed-up in cloud and on external drives. I would consider the 512 GB version only if 16 GB RAM would bring any additional benefit (for example smoother performance, battery efficiency, future-proofing etc.).
Curious about your thoughts on this subject.

Highly doubt it. My gaming PC has 16GB of RAM and that's still fine lol.
I went for the 256/12GB model.
Consider the non Ultra models make do with 8GB and have excellent performance as do many phones with 6 and 8 GB.
Also the RAM on the S21 Ultra is a newer gen of RAM which has higher speeds (read/write) which has a performance benefit as well. Reviewers have subtly mentioned that although it doesn't seem to get brought up much in marketing ect. Not sure if the regular and + models have the same.

If 256 GB storage is sufficient, then 12 GB/256 GB would be just fine to go with. I would say the 4 GB extra RAM will contribute to a bit more battery drain and will do nothing at all performance wise. People who need more storage should only go for the 16 GB/512 GB variant for the storage space alone.

RAM is used simply for fast storage and retrieval of data and code while a program is running. The general advice is that adding more RAM when you are not using the RAM you already have is a total waste of time and money. So, what could you store in RAM? Well, for an Android phone the most likely answer is "more programs." Since the system doesn't necessarily actually close a program when you go to the home menu or push back it's still potentially taking up RAM. The more RAM you have, the more programs you could potentially keep in RAM and so the more programs you could potentially start nearly instantly. But, the flash memory on these phones is pretty fast anyway so I'm not sure you'd really notice the difference between a .5 second and 1.1 second start up for a program. Another thing RAM can do is cache the contents of your long term (flash) storage. That way the system can access such data more rapidly when it needs it. This is actually where most RAM goes when you're running Windows or Linux - they're passively using all the otherwise unused RAM as cache for the file system. So, more RAM could mean faster file I/O but only if you are doing a lot of file I/O.
I have 16GB of RAM in my laptop. I play all the latest games, I do software development, I do CAD/CAM work. I have never used 16GB of RAM except when running high end simulation systems. There's a system called CARLA which uses Unity to simulate a driving environment for autonomous driving systems. That uses 24GB of RAM to initially compile the simulation. That's the one and only thing I would need more than 16GB for. Now, we're really talking about 12GB vs 16GB here. So, the question is, do you need those extra 4GB for anything? No, I can't think of any real reason a phone would need more than 12GB of RAM. I'll bet I could live with 12GB in my laptop and still virtually never use it all up.
Well, maybe there is ONE thing I could see the extra RAM being used for - high speed/resolution photography. It's possible that having more RAM could allow for longer buffering of things like super slow-mo. Now, I'm about 99% sure they don't do that. But, maybe they could. You might not be able to write to flash quickly enough for some super speed or super high end (like 8K) video without significant buffering to RAM. So, maybe in that case more RAM could be useful. But, the fact that the Ultra comes with 12GB normally would suggest that they aren't likely to optimize applications just for the 1% of people who opt for the top of the line top of the line phone.
TL;DR - No, I don't think the extra 4GB is worth the money and I didn't buy the 16GB/512GB version.

Virgo_Guy said:
If 256 GB storage is sufficient, then 12 GB/256 GB would be just fine to go with. I would say the 4 GB extra RAM will contribute to a bit more battery drain and will do nothing at all performance wise. People who need more storage should only go for the 16 GB/512 GB variant for the storage space alone.
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I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.

eyeatoma said:
I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.
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The lastest memory consumes less power than the previous generation. You can never have too much ram, or storage space. My 10+ is using about 7-8 gb of it's 12 gb in normal operation.
My 10+ isn't using excessive power at idle at all.
5G or rather it's poor implementation would be the power hog I be concerned about.
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The lastest memory consumes less power than the previous generation. You can never have too much ram, or storage space. My 10+ is using about 7-8 gb of it's 12 gb in normal operation.
My 10+ isn't using excessive power at idle at all.
5G or rather it's poor implementation would be the power hog I be concerned about.
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Why are you continually posting about an article over 1 year ago about a SOC which is obsolete? Furthermore, battery usage on 865 Qualcomm was very good as shown by Anandtech. Whatever rocks your boat I suppose.

peterg21 said:
Why are you continually posting about an article over 1 year ago about a SOC which is obsolete? Furthermore, battery usage on 865 Qualcomm was very good as shown by Anandtech. Whatever rocks your boat I suppose.
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Yeah ancient history
Try it... you'll like it.
Popcorn on standby
Is Qualcomm's Snapdragon 865 a Step Backward for Smartphones?
Could Qualcomm's Snapdragon 865 actually send phones backward, as far as overall performance and battery life? It's not impossible -- but it's not a sure thing, either. It'll depend on just how much optimization Qualcomm and its OEM partners do around these new capabilities to offset the cost of 5G.
www.extremetech.com

Collin80 said:
Well, maybe there is ONE thing I could see the extra RAM being used for - high speed/resolution photography. It's possible that having more RAM could allow for longer buffering of things like super slow-mo.
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Yes, that's when extra RAM in S21 Ultra comes into play: 8k videos, director's view(simultaneous front & back camera recording), 108MP, zooming, tripod lock, pip, single take...etc, etc.. The 16GB RAM might sound like an overkill but it will definitely help with all the multitasking load when called upon.
Sure, 12GB or 8GB would handle that too, but performance-wise 16GB RAM processor support won't suffer a sweat.

mzsquared said:
Yes, that's when extra RAM in S21 Ultra comes into play: 8k videos, director's view(simultaneous front & back camera recording), 108MP, zooming, tripod lock, pip, single take...etc, etc.. The 16GB RAM might sound like an overkill but it will definitely help with all the multitasking load when called upon.
Sure, 12GB or 8GB would handle that too, but performance-wise 16GB RAM processor support won't suffer a sweat.
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I am sure that 16GB RAM support won't suffer a sweat! But if 12GB would still do the job, why buy the extra RAM? I mean when recording for example (8K, director's view, you name it), you will only do that, you won't be multitasking so that you will need additional RAM for the other apps. I can hardly imagine someone shooting 8K and playing games/doing heavy photo editing at the same time. So practically no RAM swapping would come into play in this scenario.

katolink said:
I am sure that 16GB RAM support won't suffer a sweat! But if 12GB would still do the job, why buy the extra RAM? I mean when recording for example (8K, director's view, you name it), you will only do that, you won't be multitasking so that you will need additional RAM for the other apps. I can hardly imagine someone shooting 8K and playing games/doing heavy photo editing at the same time. So practically no RAM swapping would come into play in this scenario.
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Yeah, who knows how much demand on RAM it'll put, but it's bundled w/ 1/2TB drive and that actually makes the deal somewhat cost effective, hence no extSD.
I've built a couple of PCs for my own use in the past(WindwsOS) and I'm aware of the ever changing requirements for a decent rig, and that reminds me of the same arguments about RAM when I was preparing to get the components for the first one, long, long time ago: "oh.. 2X4GB is plenty enough, 16?, yeah, but that won't be utilized, it's an overkill". Then, with the second one the build required a min. of 16 for Windows and then some more to better accommodate the CPU and the software I was running, mostly graphics/videos. I don't have the need to build computers anymore but I do check sometimes on the adds about the newest CPUs, MBs etc... totally amazed about the number of available RAM slots.

eyeatoma said:
I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.
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Yeah I'm not at all saying it'll drain significantly more, and I would still consider it as a minus even when the drain is a hair bit more and isn't doing any favour to the phone performance wise.
My whole point is that one shouldn't waste more money going for the more RAM variant if 256 gigs storage suffices one's need.

Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?

mhw100 said:
Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?
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Not that I know of. As far as I know, the S20 Ultra was the first Samsung phone to come in 12GB and 16GB versions. Considering that S21 phones are still in pre-order phase and have not reached consumers, maybe people who own S20 Ultras are in the position to say something about this (if they read this thread by any chance).

mhw100 said:
Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?
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At ldle my guess is not even 1% difference. This is the latest generation ram; about 20% more efficient than the Note 10+ and faster.
I have the 10+ 12 gb ram variant. It runs cool and fast. It never even entered my mind the 8 gb variant gets better battery life; doubt it does.

Their pricing makes it compelling to add another 4/256 for $140 when you're already spending a ton of money on the device.
It won't be recovered when reselling it but gives some future proofing if the idea is to keep it a few years.
Also as dex is developed maybe the ram will become more important.

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Their pricing makes it compelling to add another 4/256 for $140 when you're already spending a ton of money on the device.
It won't be recovered when reselling it but gives some future proofing if the idea is to keep it a few years.
Also as dex is developed maybe the ram will become more important.
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No SD card, no sale. Worthless overpriced junk to me... no matter how much bloody ram it has.

I don't use DeX so much, therefore its future development does not concern me that much. Also, I never have more than 3-4 apps opened simultaneously, to which I switch alternately. Also, most of the time I tend to clear unused apps from memory (pressing the "recent apps" button and closing them). It is all about battery efficiency and smooth experience for me, this is what matters most. If the extra 4GB RAM has nothing to do with that, then I'll pass.
One thing that could be relevant is the future Android major updates (i.e. Android 12, 13), since I plan to use the phone for at least 2-3 years. Would extra RAM benefit me? I personally doubt that next Android versions will need that much RAM, but who knows?

when i got the note i was pretty convinced i wouldnt upgrade phones until one met 2 criteria of simply 1. more ram, and 2. any other reason making me want to buy it.
no its not needed at all for phone calls and texting... but you can have open a huge confrence call BDM, another game, and web browser and a terminal running some linux install your also connected to with on vnc.. and you know what... you can do all this already with 12gb... sooo
ill get it if and when i get it(it is however a very nice device with 512 and 16.. even the 256 and 12 and other variants anyone using them wouldnt have speed complaints with any of them and can record in 8k.. if you have the option in life for 16.. why not, especially if your ending up paying monthly)

I Initially wanted to go for the 12gb/256gb as I feel the 128gb would just not cut it for photography or videos, but decided to go for the 16/512gb as I got it around the same price as the 12gb/256gb with employee discount.
I also went crazy as since my S9+ didn't get excited about any other samsung phones than this one.
Also as google wants to stop free google photos upload to cloud it made sense to go for the higher tier.
I have my Pixel4XL to supplement the S21 Ultra
On a side note, I love the fact the S21 ultra can go from Macro to Space Zoom to wide angle which on Paper looks like the Army Swiss knife of photography.