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Android newbie looking for more in-depth rooting gotchas and unlocked s6edge on AT&T.
Hi everyone, and thanks for all the great info here. Let's assume I have my "how to root" links bookmarked and ready to go, but like a good boyscout I want to understand the gotchas/subtleties before I cliff jump. I'm also within my 15 days to exchange my s6edge AT&T for an unlocked one at Best Buy, which I plan to do today... :highfive:
(I'm technically savy, but a real newb in the world of android versions, manufacturer changes, and carrier versions and conflicts...) :crying:
1) How do I do a full ROM-level backup before beginning my adventures in rooting? Titanium Backup is no good since I need root to use it. I'd like an iPhone-style backup that I can just restore should I brick my phone.
2) After I exchange my phone I'm going to immediately airplane-mode it to prevent autoupdates (my current phone already autoupdated to unrootable OF4)... once I root how do I effectively get-latest? I'd obviously like the latest security updates, and 5.1 if I can manage it, and to maintain root.
3) AT&T doesn't have 5.1.... but if I go unlocked then can I run 5.1 on AT&T? (I've been iPhone forever -- carriers messing with you is really foreign to me). On a related note, can AT&T send some update/profile-change OTA to my phone that will conflict with updates I'm doing locally? If so any tips to avoid this?
4) An unlocked phone will perform just as well on AT&T as an AT&t phone, right?
Thanks for any info, help, and/or pointing me to resources where I can find the info, in advance. I'm technically savy, but a real newb when it comes to the gotcha-ridden ground of android and carriers.
Thanks again.
- Jason
JasonS6Edge said:
Hi everyone, and thanks for all the great info here. Let's assume I have my "how to root" links bookmarked and ready to go, but like a good boyscout I want to understand the gotchas/subtleties before I cliff jump. I'm also within my 15 days to exchange my s6edge AT&T for an unlocked one at Best Buy, which I plan to do today... :highfive:
(I'm technically savy, but a real newb in the world of android versions, manufacturer changes, and carrier versions and conflicts...) :crying:
1) How do I do a full ROM-level backup before beginning my adventures in rooting? Titanium Backup is no good since I need root to use it. I'd like an iPhone-style backup that I can just restore should I brick my phone.
2) After I exchange my phone I'm going to immediately airplane-mode it to prevent autoupdates (my current phone already autoupdated to unrootable OF4)... once I root how do I effectively get-latest? I'd obviously like the latest security updates, and 5.1 if I can manage it, and to maintain root.
3) AT&T doesn't have 5.1.... but if I go unlocked then can I run 5.1 on AT&T? (I've been iPhone forever -- carriers messing with you is really foreign to me). On a related note, can AT&T send some update/profile-change OTA to my phone that will conflict with updates I'm doing locally? If so any tips to avoid this?
4) An unlocked phone will perform just as well on AT&T as an AT&t phone, right?
Thanks for any info, help, and/or pointing me to resources where I can find the info, in advance. I'm technically savy, but a real newb when it comes to the gotcha-ridden ground of android and carriers.
Thanks again.
- Jason
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It's likely any replacement phone you get at this point will have OF4, or at least OF3 on it. It will likely be unrootable out of the box.
There is no current bootloader unlock for ATT branded devices - if you are lucky enough to get a rootable device, you can run a the two roms in the ATT section. You can run XtreStoLite v 1.5 from the regular S6 section, and maybe other 5.0.2 roms from there as well, I'm not aware of any others being tried.
In either case, we will not have 5.1.1 until after ATT releases it.
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Thanks for the info -- this is where I get confused. If it's a 925F, and I put my AT&T sim in it, it isn't an "AT&T branded device", right? So the bootloader shouldn't be all locked up by AT&T? I should be able to put any GSM sim in there and run on that network... so can't I just do what I want with the hardware at that point without AT&T controlling me?
dandrumheller said:
It's likely any replacement phone you get at this point will have OF4, or at least OF3 on it. It will likely be unrootable out of the box.
There is no current bootloader unlock for ATT branded devices - if you are lucky enough to get a rootable device, you can run a the two roms in the ATT section. You can run XtreStoLite v 1.5 from the regular S6 section, and maybe other 5.0.2 roms from there as well, I'm not aware of any others being tried.
In either case, we will not have 5.1.1 until after ATT releases it.
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How about a simpler version...
- Can I use the "download booster" function (that AT&T removed) if I have an unlocked 925F on AT&T? Can I use 5.1 on AT&T with a non-AT&T edge?
I'm trying to work out if AT&T controls all phones or just the AT&T branded phones (925A).
Thanks.
Oh, guess I misunderstood your situation. Since you have an F model, you should be able to do whatever you want in terms of root/rom, just follow the instructions over there. I think as long as your APN is set up correctly, you should be set. As long as its working now, worst case would be full factory reflash of what you're currently running. Just remember if you root in a way that trips Knox, it's tripped forever.
I think I've seen people posting that they had download booster enabled while on ATT, but I don't recall seeing any comments about whether or not it actually worked.
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Hello,
Which Note 8 should I buy?
International Version
Unlocked Version
Sprint Version
I heard the processor for the International Version is best I think it stats with an E. Should I get that?
I would like to root.
Does it matter or should I just order one directly from Sprint?
Will this work with Sprint?
Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Factory Unlocked Phone - 6.3" Screen - 64GB - Midnight Black (U.S. Warranty)
This one from Amazon?
Should I buy that one above from Amazon or buy it directly from Sprint?
Can I root both of them?
I would like to order one today, I just don't know if I should order from Sprint or Amazon.
P.S.
Also if this is not possible should I get a S8 or S8 Plus? However, reading over on their threads doesn't look like root is possible really there either, hit or miss. Is that true? Which S8 I should get? International or US?
I mainly want apps like:
Ad Block
YouTube Background Player
YouTube Ad Block
ETC...
Please Advise.
you said sprint, sprint is cmda... meaning, exynos WILL NOT WORK. no international phone, you must buy snapdragon. now you have two choices carrier locked, and carrier unlocked. both have a locked boot loader and are not currently capable of root. if you purchase the phone out right it does not really matter which version you get. if you buy sprint locked after 50 days on their network they will carrier unlock the phone. the only true difference is carrier bloatware/ software which I'm hearing can be flashed using odin
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you said sprint, sprint is cmda... meaning, exynos WILL NOT WORK. no international phone, you must buy snapdragon. now you have two choices carrier locked, and carrier unlocked. both have a locked boot loader and are not currently capable of root. if you purchase the phone out right it does not really matter which version you get. if you buy sprint locked after 50 days on their network they will carrier unlock the phone. the only true difference is carrier bloatware/ software which I'm hearing can be flashed using odin
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There are SOME radio differences but I agree it shouldn't matter.
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you said sprint, sprint is cmda... meaning, exynos WILL NOT WORK. no international phone, you must buy snapdragon. now you have two choices carrier locked, and carrier unlocked. both have a locked boot loader and are not currently capable of root. if you purchase the phone out right it does not really matter which version you get. if you buy sprint locked after 50 days on their network they will carrier unlock the phone. the only true difference is carrier bloatware/ software which I'm hearing can be flashed using odin
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Thank you, that is what I need to know. Now what about getting a S8 or S8 Plus instead? Are those rootable? I mean does it even matter any more? The only thing I really want root for is Youtube Ad Block, but what the crap, mine as well just pay 10 bucks a month and get Youtube Red and allow my phone to update it self all the time.
pcriz said:
There are SOME radio differences but I agree it shouldn't matter.
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What about S8 or S8 Plus? Root those or are people still having trouble? I think Samsung has finally figured out how to make it really difficult. Seems like it is not even worth it anymore.
AtlantaBB said:
Thank you, that is what I need to know. Now what about getting a S8 or S8 Plus instead? Are those rootable? I mean does it even matter any more? The only thing I really want root for is Youtube Ad Block, but what the crap, mine as well just pay 10 bucks a month and get Youtube Red and allow my phone to update it self all the time.
What about S8 or S8 Plus? Root those or are people still having trouble? I think Samsung has finally figured out how to make it really difficult. Seems like it is not even worth it anymore.
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from what I hear it is possible to root the s8, but it limits your max battery charge to 80%? kinda a **** trade off if you ask me.
so I'm like you I thought I must have root, my last android was a Nexus with a completely unlocked boot loader and I flashed custom roms when I tired of my current rom. that was four years ago and I've been jailbroke iOS since. do you still need root?
most people will say no. if they say absolutely the main arguments I've heard are for xposed(which doesn't even work on android 7) and viper4android (or some similar name, a sound tweak I think) besides those two, removing bloatware, and hosts file ad blocking.
my personal experience: I will be giving up an unlocked boot loader by purchasing the note 8. this mean no custom roms. I haven't given up hope for a future possible root method, but I am willing to accept that it may never come or when it does we can only charge to 80% or something else ridiculous. I don't need root, I would like it, but I will compromise.
tldr;probably not, especially if you are willing to sub to YouTube red for 10$ a month.
AtlantaBB said:
Thank you, that is what I need to know. Now what about getting a S8 or S8 Plus instead? Are those rootable?
What about S8 or S8 Plus? Root those or are people still having trouble? I think Samsung has finally figured out how to make it really difficult. Seems like it is not even worth it anymore.
I mean does it even matter any more? The only thing I really want root for is Youtube Ad Block, but what the crap, mine as well just pay 10 bucks a month and get Youtube Red and allow my phone to update it self all the time.
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The issue is that the Snapdragons have locked bootloaders but you need a SD version to use the Sprint network. It doesn't matter if you buy a Note 8 or an S8, the issue with the locked bootloader is the same.
For me personally, I need root because a lot of the apps I have use root. If you only wanted to block ads on YouTube, it's probably unnecessary and far more hassle than it's worth.
purchasedPhone said:
from what I hear it is possible to root the s8, but it limits your max battery charge to 80%? kinda a **** trade off if you ask me.
so I'm like you I thought I must have root, my last android was a Nexus with a completely unlocked boot loader and I flashed custom roms when I tired of my current rom. that was four years ago and I've been jailbroke iOS since. do you still need root?
most people will say no. if they say absolutely the main arguments I've heard are for xposed(which doesn't even work on android 7) and viper4android (or some similar name, a sound tweak I think) besides those two, removing bloatware, and hosts file ad blocking.
my personal experience: I will be giving up an unlocked boot loader by purchasing the note 8. this mean no custom roms. I haven't given up hope for a future possible root method, but I am willing to accept that it may never come or when it does we can only charge to 80% or something else ridiculous. I don't need root, I would like it, but I will compromise.
tldr;probably not, especially if you are willing to sub to YouTube red for 10$ a month.
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Torquemada288 said:
The issue is that the Snapdragons have locked bootloaders but you need a SD version to use the Sprint network. It doesn't matter if you buy a Note 8 or an S8, the issue with the locked bootloader is the same.
For me personally, I need root because a lot of the apps I have use root. If you only wanted to block ads on YouTube, it's probably unnecessary and far more hassle than it's worth.
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Last question. I saw on another thread that this ... Is this true? Should I buy one that is unlocked from Amazon or the Samsung site and get hotspot or can I get hotspot on the Sprint one or do I need to search for the perfect app to do it? Which would be easier?
Unlocked version:
Hotspot - Awesome
Download Booster - Awesome
No Bloat - Awesome
Wi-Fi Calling - working awesomely
Sprint Version:
LTE Calling - I might miss, might be worth flashing Sprint mod when available...
Please Advise.
AtlantaBB said:
Last question. I saw on another thread that this ... Is this true? Should I buy one that is unlocked from Amazon or the Samsung site and get hotspot or can I get hotspot on the Sprint one or do I need to search for the perfect app to do it? Which would be easier?
Unlocked version:
Hotspot - Awesome
Download Booster - Awesome
No Bloat - Awesome
Wi-Fi Calling - working awesomely
Sprint Version:
LTE Calling - I might miss, might be worth flashing Sprint mod when available...
Please Advise.
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Sorry, I can't provide any guidance in this area. I'm in Australia and don't have experience with the inclusions/exclusions on specific American networks such as Sprint. I do know they use CDMA technology, which the Exynos SoC doesn't support.
Hopefully, one of the other enlightened souls on this forum can help you with this question.
AtlantaBB said:
Last question. I saw on another thread that this ... Is this true? Should I buy one that is unlocked from Amazon or the Samsung site and get hotspot or can I get hotspot on the Sprint one or do I need to search for the perfect app to do it? Which would be easier?
Unlocked version:
Hotspot - Awesome
Download Booster - Awesome
No Bloat - Awesome
Wi-Fi Calling - working awesomely
Sprint Version:
LTE Calling - I might miss, might be worth flashing Sprint mod when available...
Please Advise.
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I am on Sprint and am currently utilizing what I posted above as working...I am still finding out other working options as well...ask me about an option and I'll tell you if it is working on the unlocked version.
BlueFox721 said:
I am on Sprint and am currently utilizing what I posted above as working...I am still finding out other working options as well...ask me about an option and I'll tell you if it is working on the unlocked version.
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My question is do I need to get the unlocked version for hot spot to work or will it work with the Sprint version?
Torquemada288 said:
Sorry, I can't provide any guidance in this area. I'm in Australia and don't have experience with the inclusions/exclusions on specific American networks such as Sprint. I do know they use CDMA technology, which the Exynos SoC doesn't support.
Hopefully, one of the other enlightened souls on this forum can help you with this question.
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Thanks for the heads up. I really appreciate it.
AtlantaBB said:
My question is do I need to get the unlocked version for hot spot to work or will it work with the Sprint version?
Thanks for the heads up. I really appreciate it.
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The Sprint Version will cut out the download booster and hot spot unless your plan includes it but include calling plus features which include their version of the Wi-Fi Calling and LTE Calling for surfing over calls....but we already have that with Wi-Fi calling...Sprint also has Bloat software such as VVM but I install Google Voice for voicmail...it is up to you...at this point I have found no function lost.
Oops...I forgot to mention that they may update more frequently or sooner
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The Sprint Version will cut out the download booster and hot spot unless your plan includes it but include calling plus features which include their version of the Wi-Fi Calling and LTE Calling for surfing over calls....but we already have that with Wi-Fi calling...Sprint also has Bloat software such as VVM but I install Google Voice for voicmail...it is up to you...at this point I have found no function lost.
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That is extremely important. Do I have this right? If I buy the unlocked version. Can I surf the internet while on the phone with the unlocked version from Amazon or Samsung or do I need to buy the Spring Version?
Am I understanding that right or did you mean something else?
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That is extremely important. Do I have this right? If I buy the unlocked version. Can I surf the internet while on the phone with the unlocked version from Amazon or Samsung or do I need to buy the Spring Version?
Am I understanding that right or did you mean something else?
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When I called my wife on Wi-Fi Calling i was able to surf the web as well...I'll double check tomorrow when she is awake though
I have the unlocked version arriving soon and I will be using it with sprint. (With the free 1 year promo)
AFIK only the sprint and unlocked versions are whitelisted to work on sprint. Any other snapdragon models you will need to request a manual request to add your IMEI to the sprint database.
And I believe the Exynos models isn't compatible with CDMA at all, something with licensing or patent issues with Qualcomm.
BlueFox721 said:
When I called my wife on Wi-Fi Calling i was able to surf the web as well...I'll double check tomorrow when she is awake though
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Oh I mean not on wifi - calling I am just talking about 4G LTE. I mean I have the note 3 right now. LOL. I know super old. I can talk on the cell network 4G LTE and surf the internet at the same time. Can you do that with the Unlocked Version and the Sprint Version or one or the other?
Agenesis said:
I have the unlocked version arriving soon and I will be using it with sprint. (With the free 1 year promo)
AFIK only the sprint and unlocked versions are whitelisted to work on sprint. Any other snapdragon models you will need to request a manual request to add your IMEI to the sprint database.
And I believe the Exynos models isn't compatible with CDMA at all, something with licensing or patent issues with Qualcomm.
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So the one from Amazon or Samsung, you should be fine, Yes the Exyons wont work. That is a bummer.
AtlantaBB said:
Oh I mean not on wifi - calling I am just talking about 4G LTE. I mean I have the note 3 right now. LOL. I know super old. I can talk on the cell network 4G LTE and surf the internet at the same time. Can you do that with the Unlocked Version and the Sprint Version or one or the other?
So the one from Amazon or Samsung, you should be fine, Yes the Exyons wont work. That is a bummer.
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Since the Note 3 call over data was lost...so they have been trying to implement it in New technologies
https://www.androidcentral.com/volte
BlueFox721 said:
Since the Note 3 call over data was lost...so they have been trying to implement it in New technologies
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Are you serious. I will be giving up call over data? WHY? Is this like that for Verizon and AT&T? Have they all lost call over data or do they just not want you to be able to do it?
Should I keep my Note 3 for that very reason?
Does any phone like the S8 or S8 Plus have call over data?
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Are you serious. I will be giving up call over data? WHY? Is this like that for Verizon and AT&T? Have they all lost call over data or do they just not want you to be able to do it?
Should I keep my Note 3 for that very reason?
Does any phone like the S8 or S8 Plus have call over data?
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https://www.androidcentral.com/volte
I am coming from Note 3 as well
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Since the Note 3 call over data was lost...so they have been trying to implement it in New technologies
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Oh my goodness, looks like my note 3 has two antennas and the newer phones have only 1. that is why i can do both. Why would they make the service worse?
https://community.sprint.com/t5/Buz...e-same-time-with-Sprint-s-Calling/ba-p/961338
The Note 8 wipes the Note 3 out
Hey guys i have been in active for a while butbibrecently picked the phone up and got it 2 days ago. i just unlocked the bootloader and rooted it via funkyhuawei files. I dumped some files including system. img and kernel. little ruty butbwhat files does anyone need to start building. this is the international version if anyone interested. i am using tmobile and i get lte speeds as well as 700mhz ftom tmobile. love it so far
daillcyruz said:
Hey guys i have been in active for a while butbibrecently picked the phone up and got it 2 days ago. i just unlocked the bootloader and rooted it via funkyhuawei files. I dumped some files including system. img and kernel. little ruty butbwhat files does anyone need to start building. this is the international version if anyone interested. i am using tmobile and i get lte speeds as well as 700mhz ftom tmobile. love it so far
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I have the same model as yours can you get me a link and step-by-step guide how to root this device, I am new to rooting
rjan22 said:
I have the same model as yours can you get me a link and step-by-step guide how to root this device, I am new to rooting
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See here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/FunkyHuawe...and_tool_new_version/?st=ja5ouecc&sh=9caf9b74
daillcyruz said:
Hey guys i have been in active for a while butbibrecently picked the phone up and got it 2 days ago. i just unlocked the bootloader and rooted it via funkyhuawei files. I dumped some files including system. img and kernel. little ruty butbwhat files does anyone need to start building. this is the international version if anyone interested. i am using tmobile and i get lte speeds as well as 700mhz ftom tmobile. love it so far
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Do you get VOLTE and WiFi Calling?
daviddem said:
Do you get VOLTE and WiFi Calling?
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The international model won't have VoLTE or Wifi calling for US operators.
Theoretically, you could rebrand to the AT&T Mate 10 Pro and get Wifi calling for T-Mobile and AT&T.
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See here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/FunkyHuawe...and_tool_new_version/?st=ja5ouecc&sh=9caf9b74
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How did you get the bootloader code, there is no info about that part? Thanks
rjan22 said:
I have the same model as yours can you get me a link and step-by-step guide how to root this device, I am new to rooting
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rjan22 said:
How did you get the bootloader code, there is no info about that part? Thanks
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1. Load up internet Explorer and go to https://emui.huawei.com/en/plugin/unlock/detail.
2. Make an account saying your are from Hong Kong.
3. Paste "https://emui.huawei.com/en/plugin/unlock/detail" back in the URL Bar.
4. Fill out all of the information and hit submit.
No need to email Huawei in google translated Chinese or pay someone for a code.
Finally got OTA update for b119 (c636).
Want to buy the BLA-L29 but have questions:
Hi and thanks for any assistance you can provide:
1. I am buying the Huawei Mate 10 Pro BLA-L29 Version -- In the US, will VoLTE and WiFi Calling work with T-Mobile?
2. If no on my first question, if I re-branded it to the AT&T ALP-L29, then will VoLTE and WiFi Calling work on T-Mobile?
3. And I am confused -- Isn't the ALP-L29 for the Huawei Mate 10 and not the Mate 10 Pro? Is it OK to re-brand The Mate 10 Pro with the Mate 10 software and will everything still work on the Pro correctly?
4. Last Question: If I am only using 1 sim card and I am on a phone call, will I be able to browse the web at 4G LTE or will it drop to 3G while I am on the call? This was my experience with an international version of the P9 Plus. So I am just doing my homework before I buy the Huawei Mate 10 Pro BLA-L29.
Thanks!
warea said:
Finally got OTA update for b119 (c636).
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I still haven't received it for my phone yet, which country are you in?
ramheer said:
I still haven't received it for my phone yet, which country are you in?
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I received it a couple of days ago on my 4/64 Mate 10 and I'm in UK
ramheer said:
I still haven't received it for my phone yet, which country are you in?
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Different countries receive differently. Im in middle east, however phone is originally from Singapore market and i received the OTA same time as them.
Jon St said:
I received it a couple of days ago on my 4/64 Mate 10 and I'm in UK
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Im in the UK too running L29 C636 rom flashed on a Chinese mate 10 6gb/128GB still nothing
KevinAce said:
Hi and thanks for any assistance you can provide:
1. I am buying the Huawei Mate 10 Pro BLA-L29 Version -- In the US, will VoLTE and WiFi Calling work with T-Mobile?
2. If no on my first question, if I re-branded it to the AT&T ALP-L29, then will VoLTE and WiFi Calling work on T-Mobile?
3. And I am confused -- Isn't the ALP-L29 for the Huawei Mate 10 and not the Mate 10 Pro? Is it OK to re-brand The Mate 10 Pro with the Mate 10 software and will everything still work on the Pro correctly?
4. Last Question: If I am only using 1 sim card and I am on a phone call, will I be able to browse the web at 4G LTE or will it drop to 3G while I am on the call? This was my experience with an international version of the P9 Plus. So I am just doing my homework before I buy the Huawei Mate 10 Pro BLA-L29.
Thanks!
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As far as I know there are territorially different versions of Mate 10 but only 2 versions of Mate 10 pro (BLA-L09 -one sim and BLA_L29 -two sims). Me personally have L29 and it supports both VoLTE and WIFI calling (if operator supports them). And according to specs from Huawei (http://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/mate10-pro/specs/ and confirmation from technical support) both works on FDD-LTE bands 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/12/17/18/19/20/26/28/32. Therefore they would be fine with either Tmobile or ATT since LTE of these operators leans mainly on lower bands 700 MHz (17 for ATT and 12 for Tmobile). And yes, two sims version (L29) operates on LTE simultaneously, you can even forward call from one sim to other. So there is no need to rebrand the phone or mess with the system otherwise. The phone operates pretty fair in its original state.
Hope that you find this information useful. Do not hesitate to ask additional questions. I'd be glad to help if I could.
Thanks but see this message from FunkyHuawei
"No, VoLTE and Wifi calling will not work.
If you rebrand to AT&T which is not ALP but BLA-A09, it will work.
AT&T is not ALP, it's BLA
If you have VoLTE, you'll still be connected to LTE when you're on a call."
So essentially FunkyHuawei, those nice folks who try to help you get your Huawei devices working the way you need them to are saying the BLA-L variants won't allow VoLTE in the USA but the AT&T version on the Mate 10 Pro will allow it so they are suggesting unlocking bootloader and rebranding it to BLA-A09. So another variant has appeared planned for US release only on AtT as BLA-A09...
It's the 1 Sim 4gb version just like the L09.
Are you using your L29 in the US and on what carrier?
Thanks for your help.
I would prefer to get the BLA-L29 anyhow.
Regards
Kevin
KevinAce said:
"No, VoLTE and Wifi calling will not work.
If you rebrand to AT&T which is not ALP but BLA-A09, it will work.
AT&T is not ALP, it's BLA
If you have VoLTE, you'll still be connected to LTE when you're on a call."
So essentially FunkyHuawei, those nice folks who try to help you get your Huawei devices working the way you need them to are saying the BLA-L variants won't allow VoLTE in the USA but the AT&T version on the Mate 10 Pro will allow it so they are suggesting unlocking bootloader and rebranding it to BLA-A09. So another variant has appeared planned for US release only on AtT as BLA-A09...
It's the 1 Sim 4gb version just like the L09.
Are you using your L29 in the US and on what carrier?
Thanks for your help.
I would prefer to get the BLA-L29 anyhow.
Regards
Kevin
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No, I'm currently not in the USA, but I travell a lot and therefore the problem is interesting for me as well. And yes, the people with FunkyHuawei are right about BLA-A09 (Huawei Blanc). But the real question is how come that VoLTE dosn't work with ATT and how to remedy that issue with as less pain as possible.
Checking https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/GBYLg/huawei-mate-10-pro-td-lte-bla-a09-huawei-blanc and other relevant sites shows that as far as hardware is concern BLA-A09 is equal BLA-L09. So where is the differece? It seems that ATT doesn't brand phones only by putting some bloatware but use some restrictions as well. There is no hardware or software difference on using VoLTE anywhere in the world and as you could see from attached pictures Mate 10 Pro functions so that it simply shows in the menu options to enable either VoLTE or WIFI calling or both if the operator supports them. Otherwise those options simply don't appear.
Mobile operators in the USA have pretty strong position, they can decide which phone and how may be connected to their networks. And ATT obviously decided that only branded phones from its side could use VoLTE (...Even the pixel didn't work because of AT&T's restrictions - https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/help/volte-wifi-calling-sms-att-t3665838).
So the essential question is how that restriction works. There are some indicators that it is on the hardware side (https://forums.att.com/t5/Device-Features/VOLTE-calls/td-p/5273138). That would be good because the chances are that incorporation of BLA-A09 model automatically draws all same models into the story. The worst case would be if the VoLTE availability is assigned individually, in that case rebranding doesn't solve anything.
Why concerns about rebranding? Because it is trade off. You need to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery in order to rebrand the phone. It is not only a bit risky procedure, it draws other consequences. One of nice features I would be hardly missing is Android Pay. It doesn't work with unlocked bootloader and TWRP. And even more apps connected with SafetyNet are to come.
From time to time there is bypass with Magisk but it is a mouse and a cat game, Google try hard to purges its effect. And you don't want to rely on payment solution which wouldn't work when is needed.
So my advise is, if you want 2 sims Mate Pro, don't hurry with rebranding. Wait until other options are researched and see if all models could have ATT Volte enabled. Last but not least in the USA Google Voice could be useful additional possibility. And I don't have VoLTE with my primary operator but WIFI calling works perfect. Even ordinary calling is clear and natural with HD voice enabled.
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No, I'm currently not in the USA, but I travell a lot and therefore the problem is interesting for me as well. And yes, the people with FunkyHuawei are right about BLA-A09 (Huawei Blanc). But the real question is how come that VoLTE dosn't work with ATT and how to remedy that issue with as less pain as possible.
Checking https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/GBYLg/huawei-mate-10-pro-td-lte-bla-a09-huawei-blanc and other relevant sites shows that as far as hardware is concern BLA-A09 is equal BLA-L09. So where is the differece? It seems that ATT doesn't brand phones only by putting some bloatware but use some restrictions as well. There is no hardware or software difference on using VoLTE anywhere in the world and as you could see from attached pictures Mate 10 Pro functions so that it simply shows in the menu options to enable either VoLTE or WIFI calling or both if the operator supports them. Otherwise those options simply don't appear.
Mobile operators in the USA have pretty strong position, they can decide which phone and how may be connected to their networks. And ATT obviously decided that only branded phones from its side could use VoLTE (...Even the pixel didn't work because of AT&T's restrictions - https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/help/volte-wifi-calling-sms-att-t3665838).
So the essential question is how that restriction works. There are some indicators that it is on the hardware side (https://forums.att.com/t5/Device-Features/VOLTE-calls/td-p/5273138). That would be good because the chances are that incorporation of BLA-A09 model automatically draws all same models into the story. The worst case would be if the VoLTE availability is assigned individually, in that case rebranding doesn't solve anything.
Why concerns about rebranding? Because it is trade off. You need to unlock bootloader and install custom recovery in order to rebrand the phone. It is not only a bit risky procedure, it draws other consequences. One of nice features I would be hardly missing is Android Pay. It doesn't work with unlocked bootloader and TWRP. And even more apps connected with SafetyNet are to come.
From time to time there is bypass with Magisk but it is a mouse and a cat game, Google try hard to purges its effect. And you don't want to rely on payment solution which wouldn't work when is needed.
So my advise is, if you want 2 sims Mate Pro, don't hurry with rebranding. Wait until other options are researched and see if all models could have ATT Volte enabled. Last but not least in the USA Google Voice could be useful additional possibility. And I don't have VoLTE with my primary operator but WIFI calling works perfect. Even ordinary calling is clear and natural with HD voice enabled.
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On Huawei phones, VoLTE is a software issue. There may be IMEI blocks and whatnot on the carrier end, but there is a software block on the software end. It's been proven that if you rebrand a Mate 9 to the US branding, you get VoLTE in the US, on T-Mobile anyway. If not, you don't.
There is a file which dictates whether or not to allow VoLTE on various providers, and the configuration of this file is different for each branding. It's as simple as that.
As far as I know for most of us, volte only works with "carrier branded firmware".
Trying to get BLA-L29 VoLTE to work on T-Mobile
So - According to T-Mobile, they have NO restrictions being the un-carrier. They stated that it has to be on the Mate 10 Pro BLA-L29 end that is restricting the VoLTE options from even showing up on my settings on the phone. Yet, I contacted Huawei International Technical support and they seem to believe that the BLA-L29 should support VoLTE as long as the carrier supports it. They took my IMEI, software build, etc.. and are looking into it. I will reply on this forum if they come back to me with a solution to getting VoLTE to work in the US on T-Mobile.
The EXCELLENT and AMAZING guy over at Funkyhuawei had someone try the ATT re-branding onto a BLA-L29 and still no dice with the VoLTE showing up or working with T-Mobile. So - If anyone has any ideas how to get VoLTE working on my BLA-L29 version, I am all ears. Some people ask - what does it matter if you get VoLTE as long as 4G LTE is working on the phone and you are getting great download speeds -- My reply is because when I make a phone call, that signal drops from 4G to 3G or to H and then I cannot browse the web while on a phone call which I tend to do a lot. I mean I can browse the web, but at 3G speeds, it is basically unusable. Takes like 30 seconds for google.com to load. LOL. We have all become spoiled by LTE and we want our speed!
Lastly - Does anyone know if the version they are releasing on AT&T will be locked to AT&T? Or are AT&T phones sold unlocked or unlockable? Though the fact that VoLTE didn't work on the AT&T rebranded BLA-L29, I am not sure if it will even work on AT&T when they actually release the phone.
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So - According to T-Mobile, they have NO restrictions being the un-carrier. They stated that it has to be on the Mate 10 Pro BLA-L29 end that is restricting the VoLTE options from even showing up on my settings on the phone. Yet, I contacted Huawei International Technical support and they seem to believe that the BLA-L29 should support VoLTE as long as the carrier supports it. They took my IMEI, software build, etc.. and are looking into it. I will reply on this forum if they come back to me with a solution to getting VoLTE to work in the US on T-Mobile.
The EXCELLENT and AMAZING guy over at Funkyhuawei had someone try the ATT re-branding onto a BLA-L29 and still no dice with the VoLTE showing up or working with T-Mobile. So - If anyone has any ideas how to get VoLTE working on my BLA-L29 version, I am all ears. Some people ask - what does it matter if you get VoLTE as long as 4G LTE is working on the phone and you are getting great download speeds -- My reply is because when I make a phone call, that signal drops from 4G to 3G or to H and then I cannot browse the web while on a phone call which I tend to do a lot. I mean I can browse the web, but at 3G speeds, it is basically unusable. Takes like 30 seconds for google.com to load. LOL. We have all become spoiled by LTE and we want our speed!
Lastly - Does anyone know if the version they are releasing on AT&T will be locked to AT&T? Or are AT&T phones sold unlocked or unlockable? Though the fact that VoLTE didn't work on the AT&T rebranded BLA-L29, I am not sure if it will even work on AT&T when they actually release the phone.
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Thank you for looking into this, I am very curious to hear what Huawei/Tmobile concludes about VoLTE support on this international brand, because this is the exact situation I am about to be in (mine is coming from Ebay tomorrow!)
Unfortunately I can't answer most of your questions because they are ones I am looking for an answer to as well, but your last one I can shed the little bit of light I have on it.
According to Duurara on the FunkyHuawei thread, he said that the AT&T brand will work on Tmobile, but he had also said that branding to the AT&T firmware should also enable VoLTE working across either AT&t or Tmobile. But if you are saying that is not true, then we may not have any full answers yet and you may be our saving grace to these questions.
Best of luck and keep us updated please!
Does anybody know if the unlocked s10 will have access to Multi-line settings or has had experience with previous unlocked variants having access?
On T-Mobile this setting is specifically used for native "Digits" functionality without having to use an app. It's the only concern I have purchasing the unlocked variant.
I can't speak for the S10. The Note 9 however has built in Digits support in the TMobile variant, but requires downloading the app for the US unlocked variant. Chances are the S10 is also like this.
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Does anybody know if the unlocked s10 will have access to Multi-line settings or has had experience with previous unlocked variants having access?
On T-Mobile this setting is specifically used for native "Digits" functionality without having to use an app. It's the only concern I have purchasing the unlocked variant.
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So I had Unlocked S8 on T-Mobile and I believe S9 and S10 might have the same thing. Basically unlocked version only had: WiFi Calling, Band 12 and VoLTE and there was no Milti-Line setting, unless if you get T-Mobile branded phone. What I have done to my S8, is I flashed it with T-Mo firmware and got all the features without bloatware
This time I ordered S10e unlocked and upon getting it, will inspect and see which features unlocked model will offer and if need be, will flash to T-Mobile firmware
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So I had Unlocked S8 on T-Mobile and I believe S9 and S10 might have the same thing. Basically unlocked version only had: WiFi Calling, Band 12 and VoLTE and there was no Milti-Line setting, unless if you get T-Mobile branded phone. What I have done to my S8, is I flashed it with T-Mo firmware and got all the features without bloatware
This time I ordered S10e unlocked and upon getting it, will inspect and see which features unlocked model will offer and if need be, will flash to T-Mobile firmware
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When you say that you didn't have any TMobile bloatware when you flashed the TMobile firmware, are you referring to the general TMobile apps (like TMobile account app, VVM, etc)? or are you referring to some other 3rd party apps that TMobile puts on post-firmware. I always thought the TMobile apps would be there if flashing TMobile firmware, but I could be wrong.
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When you say that you didn't have any TMobile bloatware when you flashed the TMobile firmware, are you referring to the general TMobile apps (like TMobile account app, VVM, etc)? or are you referring to some other 3rd party apps that TMobile puts on post-firmware. I always thought the TMobile apps would be there if flashing TMobile firmware, but I could be wrong.
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3rd party apps, for example "Lookout" antivirus app wasn't there and other that T-Mobile might put there. These apps need to be disabled and can't be uninstalled. I am fine with T-Mobile account app and VVM. When flashing, just need to flash main firmware files(4 of them) and the 5th one was userdata, which has all the unneeded stuff
When you do this, don't you void something that doesn't let you use samsung pay, etc?
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So I had Unlocked S8 on T-Mobile and I believe S9 and S10 might have the same thing. Basically unlocked version only had: WiFi Calling, Band 12 and VoLTE and there was no Milti-Line setting, unless if you get T-Mobile branded phone. What I have done to my S8, is I flashed it with T-Mo firmware and got all the features without bloatware
This time I ordered S10e unlocked and upon getting it, will inspect and see which features unlocked model will offer and if need be, will flash to T-Mobile firmware
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When you do this, don't you void something that doesn't let you use samsung pay, etc?
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No, because I flashed my phone with an official Samsung firmware
Should have known so I could have purchased the unlocked version. Thanks for the info.
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No, because I flashed my phone with an official Samsung firmware
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Should have known so I could have purchased the unlocked version. Thanks for the info.
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Not a big deal as there were times when T-Mobile for example would release monthly security patches couple of weeks earlier and possibly the Android upgrade version early too(not always though). As I understand that Samsung is obligated to release an update for carrier branded phones and then can released for their unlocked units. If you would want to flash your phone down the road, you could. It is just the process may not be as straight forward as flashing unlocked model
Ok one thing I learned today as I was setting up my s10+. The Multi-line feature is still not activated in S10+ (most likely in other s10 variant as well). I spoke with Tmobile Digits team and it was just confirm to them yesterday that S10 doesn't support multi-line yet. The only way to use DIGITS is trough the digits app. It's definitely a bummer.
I was also told that the same situation applies to the previous phones during launch (S9 or Note9) where it wasn't initially activated. It was delivered through a software upgrade afterwards. So I'm hoping this software update arrives sooner than later.
Hope this helps other member's using DIGITS.
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Ok one thing I learned today as I was setting up my s10+. The Multi-line feature is still not activated in S10+ (most likely in other s10 variant as well). I spoke with Tmobile Digits team and it was just confirm to them yesterday that S10 doesn't support multi-line yet. The only way to use DIGITS is trough the digits app. It's definitely a bummer.
I was also told that the same situation applies to the previous phones during launch (S9 or Note9) where it wasn't initially activated. It was delivered through a software upgrade afterwards. So I'm hoping this software update arrives sooner than later.
Hope this helps other member's using DIGITS.
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Luckily you got to speak to someone who actually knows or at least should know. I have messaged them through the app and through Twitter and got the same basic kinda answer but no specifics and that's if they even knew what I was talking about. Hopefully it happens soon. Thanks for the update
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Luckily you got to speak to someone who actually knows or at least should know. I have messaged them through the app and through Twitter and got the same basic kinda answer but no specifics and that's if they even knew what I was talking about. Hopefully it happens soon. Thanks for the update
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I took multiple tries on chat and call. Luckily I got forwarded to DIGITS team and the person knows exactly the issue and is not reading off knowledge base or written instructions.
Hopefully it arrives soon as I don't want to use the DIGITS app for it.
T-Mobile DIGITS team has actually been telling customers that the native multiline feature will not be coming to the S10 or supported on other devices anymore because they destaffed that dev team. They are phasing out the feature. Absolutely horrible decision. The DIGITS app is hot trash. They have a **** load of customer pissed about it. Especially in the business segment like me. There's a scathing thread over on the T-Mobile's forums about it.
So, now T-Mobile DIGITS experts are telling people that they are waiting on an update from Samsung to make the feature possible again.
So, I don't what the **** is going on. It's ****ery.
Unless we hear something directly from Samsung, everything is now just hear say. I'm still hoping for a software update to push out the feature.
Actually, the multi-line setting was garbage. Even on my previous Note 8 and current unlocked Huawei P20 Pro, I use the DIGITS app. Luckily, with previous T-Mobile lines, got DIGITS for free. For new customers and new lines, I think it costs some monthly fees.
Thank you!
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Ok one thing I learned today as I was setting up my s10+. The Multi-line feature is still not activated in S10+ (most likely in other s10 variant as well). I spoke with Tmobile Digits team and it was just confirm to them yesterday that S10 doesn't support multi-line yet. The only way to use DIGITS is trough the digits app. It's definitely a bummer.
I was also told that the same situation applies to the previous phones during launch (S9 or Note9) where it wasn't initially activated. It was delivered through a software upgrade afterwards. So I'm hoping this software update arrives sooner than later.
Hope this helps other member's using DIGITS.
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Hey, thank you so much for posting this. I tried to contact thru customer support, Twitter, calls, walk-ins.. Seems like T-Mobile employees aren't aware not only of this issue, but of the option at all..
don't mean to resurrect this old thread, but i got my S10 a few days ago and just got off the phone with the DIGITS support, after being transferred numerous times by people that didn't know what i was even talking about. the guy said that samsung told them (tmobile) a few months ago that they are removing multi-line settings from all new devices and that users need to start using the DIGITS app instead. he even said that with any further updates on the phones that currently have multi-line settings, the updates will actually remove those settings from the phones. pretty crappy if you ask me.
I'm still using a Samsung S7 with multi-line set to On, with T-Mobile. I didn't like their Digits app, much prefer the phone's native multi-line ability. However, as others above have said, T-Moble Digits support told me that Samsung was going to remove that ability. For now, it still works albeit buggy. I have to turn the phone off then on multiple times a day to keep the second line working properly. Does anyone know another Android phone that supports multi-line with T-Mobile, but correctly?
Saw a reddit post where someone was asking for a solution to his unlocked at&t s20 fe not being able to receive OTA software updates since he was using it outside the usa with a non at&t sim card.
Is this really a thing and does anyone know if the verizon version also has the same restriction? Posted a comment on the reddit thread but it was a couple months old and I doubt anyone will answer.
Thanks
the Verizon version of the 5g has different hardware I've learned. because Verizon use mmwave 5g and pretty no-one else there does, it's gonna be searching for towers it can never find the whole time.
that also means it has it's own firmware compared to other models and with that being carrier firmware, controlled and released by them, they have zero reason to offer it outside the US.
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the Verizon version of the 5g has different hardware I've learned. because Verizon use mmwave 5g and pretty no-one else there does, it's gonna be searching for towers it can never find the whole time.
that also means it has it's own firmware compared to other models and with that being carrier firmware, controlled and released by them, they have zero reason to offer it outside the US.
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Could I flash the unlocked version's firmware on it and bypass the need for an active verizon sim card?
I could simply opt out of 5g connectivity from the settings, no?
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Could I flash the unlocked version's firmware on it and bypass the need for an active verizon sim card?
I could simply opt out of 5g connectivity from the settings, no?
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I'm guessing that if it even installed the firmware at best it would be unstable with massive radio/modem issues.
I wouldn't suggest trying but if you did make sure to download the latest verizon firmware for after when the unlocked hasn't work!