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how are you getting on with your p20 pro? is it all you expected?

Just wanted to get a feel for how people are with their p20 pros
Personally I want to change very little.about it, I'm rooted and have my normal rooted apps, adaway, titanium, 1 magisk module swap torpedo (kills the swap file, not needed for 6GB of RAM)
Other than that, the theme, the signal location, the camera, it's all pretty amazing.
I expected more from the battery but I can live with it.
The only thing I think that will annoy me is the lack of ROMs, but it's hurting a lot less than it did on other odd devices I've bought:
Sony Z1
Note 4
I think if Huawei would have flooded the globe with one variant with Google esq updates, it would have been one of those phones that alter a generation , kind of like the HD2 and Nexus devices did and Oneplus devices are.
Instead we've got several variants with a completely insane and i mean insane after market development scene, it's like everyone got the memo but me lol.
How have you found yours for the time youve had it?

I love it.
The battery is immense, and because I regularly have days with 8hrs plus SoT, it's a godsend.
I knew the camera was good, but it's better than I hoped, so much so that I got rid of my compact camera and my DSLR gets much less use these days.
I don't understand what you mean by lack of apps?
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Lack of US supports hurts. I really like the p20 pro but if the p30 pro next year doesn't support tmobile band 71 then this will be my last Huawei device.

orangecroc said:
I love it.
The battery is immense, and because I regularly have days with 8hrs plus SoT, it's a godsend.
I knew the camera was good, but it's better than I hoped, so much so that I got rid of my compact camera and my DSLR gets much less use these days.
I don't understand what you mean by lack of apps?
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Sorry pal I meant lack of ROMs.
8 hours? Not bad but consider if it was as well optimized as hear vanilla phones.
Oneplus 5 835 - No limits ROM. 14 hours 30 minutes.
Battery size is 3400 Vs the Huawei having 4000
Lol I expected more
We should be clearing 10 hours daily

worldsoutro said:
Lack of US supports hurts. I really like the p20 pro but if the p30 pro next year doesn't support tmobile band 71 then this will be my last Huawei device.
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Think that decision has been made.
I think they're missing a massive part of the market tbh.
I got they reconsider, I really do.
1 model
1 target audience
Quick updates
Bootloader unlocking
That is all I need.
= A healthy community.
Bare in mind, were the people who or families and friends ask when they want to buy a phone.
I can't recommend Huawei anymore.
I wish I could.

dladz said:
Just wanted to get a feel for how people are with their p20 pros
Personally I want to change very little.about it, I'm rooted and have my normal rooted apps, adaway, titanium, 1 magisk module swap torpedo (kills the swap file, not needed for 6GB of RAM)
Other than that, the theme, the signal location, the camera, it's all pretty amazing.
I expected more from the battery but I can live with it.
The only thing I think that will annoy me is the lack of ROMs, but it's hurting a lot less than it did on other odd devices I've bought:
Sony Z1
Note 4
I think if Huawei would have flooded the globe with one variant with Google esq updates, it would have been one of those phones that alter a generation , kind of like the HD2 and Nexus devices did and Oneplus devices are.
Instead we've got several variants with a completely insane and i mean insane after market development scene, it's like everyone got the memo but me lol.
How have you found yours for the time youve had it?
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I think you should go out on a Friday night..... you're looking for something to amuse you. I've had to stop in and have a drink.
I'm quite into this phone apart from the complete lack of updates (I have the UK model)
I don't modify much these days unless I can't utilise the full screen because of onscreen navigation buttons but, luckily, this device has the perfect solution. [emoji3]
I must admit, I loved my HTC desire days....the customisations we could do then....Leedroid...my hero.
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dladz said:
Think that decision has been made.
I think they're missing a massive part of the market tbh.
I got they reconsider, I really do.
1 model
1 target audience
Quick updates
Bootloader unlocking
That is all I need.
= A healthy community.
Bare in mind, were the people who or families and friends ask when they want to buy a phone.
I can't recommend Huawei anymore.
I wish I could.
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That decision was made for them by the US government. I am not sure what the whole story is behind it but no Carriers in the US want anything to do with Huawei now.
With carrier support and good advertising they could have made a decent splash in the US overtime.
Even if they support band 71 it's a tough sell to spend so much on a phone that won't have any US warranty backing.

worldsoutro said:
That decision was made for them by the US government. I am not sure what the whole story is behind it but no Carriers in the US want anything to do with Huawei now.
With carrier support and good advertising they could have made a decent splash in the US overtime.
Even if they support band 71 it's a tough sell to spend so much on a phone that won't have any US warranty backing.
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All I know is, Oneplus have come and dominated.
They've provided for everyone.
Bootloader? So so easy.
Speed? The one thing parents and kids need when you hand your phone down to them.
Oneplus stands alone.
Huawei have the know how to be technically and globally dominant, but theyve missed out ingredients that matter.
I'll never buy another huawei, as much as I love it and I did I couldn't commit over £1,000 to a company that gives so much then breaks it with poor policies, awful selling tactics (models) and ridiculed hardware.
Maybe it'll be different one day but ive had this conversation before about a giant (HTC) and they never recovered,.
I'm curious to see how Huawei do next year, I have a feeling that they'll be reversing their decision very soon.
I just fear it'll be too late.
PS I really really wanted the p20 pro to succeed or even has suede hdmi via USB is superb.
They did swerve the bootloader decision and release a firmware for vanilla Android.
Completely blow every other phone out the water.

bobsie41 said:
I think you should go out on a Friday night..... you're looking for something to amuse you. I've had to stop in and have a drink.
I'm quite into this phone apart from the complete lack of updates (I have the UK model)
I don't modify much these days unless I can't utilise the full screen because of onscreen navigation buttons but, luckily, this device has the perfect solution. [emoji3]
I must admit, I loved my HTC desire days....the customisations we could do then....Leedroid...my hero.
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Slightly presumptuous. ,,l, :laugh:
I've lost more hours of life from nights out than I imagine you've lived my friend.
I'm also in the UK, take my guide it helps.
Gets you on 432
Then 131 is close by.
You can't miss, of course , back up.
I totally love that single's button navigation, I couldn't live without it now

dladz said:
All I know is, Oneplus have come and dominated.
They've provided for everyone.
Bootloader? So so easy.
Speed? The one thing parents and kids need when you hand your phone down to them.
Oneplus stands alone.
Huawei have the know how to be technically and globally dominant, but theyve missed out ingredients that matter.
I'll never buy another huawei, as much as I love it and I did I couldn't commit over £1,000 to a company that gives so much then breaks it with poor policies, awful selling tactics (models) and ridiculed hardware.
Maybe it'll be different one day but ive had this conversation before about a giant (HTC) and they never recovered,.
I'm curious to see how Huawei do next year, I have a feeling that they'll be reversing their decision very soon.
I just fear it'll be too late.
PS I really really wanted the p20 pro to succeed or even has suede hdmi via USB is superb.
They did swerve the bootloader decision and release a firmware for vanilla Android.
Completely blow every other phone out the water.
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Yeah for people that like to tinker, oneplus is one of the best options. I just hope they keep improving the camera, o6 is a good start.
Yeah I don't know what Huawei was thinking with so many different varriants. Oneplus did it right they only have two hydrogen os for the Chinese market and oxygen for the rest. The hardware is the same as well.

worldsoutro said:
Yeah for people that like to tinker, oneplus is one of the best options. I just hope they keep improving the camera, o6 is a good start.
Yeah I don't know what Huawei was thinking with so many different varriants. Oneplus did it right they only have two hydrogen os for the Chinese market and oxygen for the rest. The hardware is the same as well.
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Which is superb
Not sure I'd buy the op6 tho.. it wouldn't last as long as the op5.
But I agree with you pal.

The camera, battery, design, screen, storage space, are all far above my expectations. Well done huawei. I'm very glad I did the change from oneplus and Samsung.
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dladz said:
Slightly presumptuous. ,,l, [emoji23]
I've lost more hours of life from nights out than I imagine you've lived my friend.
I'm also in the UK, take my guide it helps.
Gets you on 432
Then 131 is close by.
You can't miss, of course , back up.
I totally love that single's button navigation, I couldn't live without it now
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Wow.
That makes you at least seventy.
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dladz said:
Which is superb
Not sure I'd buy the op6 tho.. it wouldn't last as long as the op5.
But I agree with you pal.
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I think op held back on the battery and going to improve it for o6t

Sold mine. The software update situation was just a joke and frustrated me more than the benefits the rest of the device brought to me.
Shame but learnt my lesson now. Pixel or OnePlus devices for me going forward.

I'm having mixed feelings about the device. I have bought it twice, as I wasn't happy, so I could compare and find out if the problem is the device or me.
So far, I'm very happy with build quality, usability, design, screen and functionality. The camera of my second device is better than the one of the first, but I'm struggling to get good battery life with both. 3 hours DOT, maybe four if I'm lucky. I think that's not really good, and as both devices behave like this, the problem must be me. Not really sure what I'm doing wrong, as even my old rusty iPhone 6 can give me 3 hours of DOT, so I expected a lot more in this aspect. Other than that, I really like this device.

It's amazing
The missing notifications from some apps is a problem, wish someone could do a guide about how to fix that
Also, battery drains pretty fast, i can't get a full-day through it
Are VoLTE and VoWIFI draining the battery faster, any thoughts on that?

Best phoned I ever had. Slow at getting upgrades but can live without it. Battery, camera, performance are fantastic. How people can complain about the battery life? I am a heavy user and and can't kill the battery in one day

I get 3 hours SOT. I don‘t think that‘s stellar.

I switched from Samsung to p20 pro and thats the best ive ever done.
I love the p20 pro, its amazing, the screen, the smotheness, the SOT and so on.....
Greetz

From Note 8 to Note 10 to Note 9!

Ok so I had been humming along fine with my Note 8 for 2 years but recently I started playing pubg heavily and it would only last 3hrs at most I called bestbuy and they said they did not replace batteries in Samsung devices even though it stated they did on there site. Anywho I seen the sell on Amazon for 799 for the note10+ with galaxy buds so I bit! Got it home set it up beautiful phone aura glow very nice to look at BUT it would not pick up 1 bar sitting the same spot my note 8 sat which always had 2 bars of 4g+ . So I returned it and decided to just keep my note 8 and find a way to get a battery, but then about a week ago I was browsing ebay and Amazon everywhere looking at NOTE 9 Amazon was 900 for the 9 and 799 for the 10 but went on Ebay and found Microsoft on ebay had brand new unlocked note 9 on clearance with 1 year warranty for 449, so I bought it and wow the Note 9 had same signal as the 8 but better battery 4000mah and no hole in screen and led light and headphone jack! She only came in one color for the sale which is blue. I'm usually a black kind of person but for 450 I like it just the same I was going to leave it on oreo but my 8 had the pie and I was already accustomed to it so I updated it and pie has the better of battery life. I just scored the best deal ever seen for a never opened or turned on phone. Which is what I wanted btw there were hundreds of open box rehash junk but I wanted a warranty and a trustworthy seller. Microsoft ftw!!!

Newcomer to Samsung after being through Pixels, NExus, Nokia, Oneplus and just could not find something to fit.
Was offered a Note 9 (copper) second hand but in superb condition for £350 and thought what the hell as was looking at the S10 or Note 10.
Wow, blown away by the phone. Especially now have change the CSC to UK. So much smoother than my Pixel 3XL and with a bit more character to it. Screen scrolling is smooth and battery much better.
Am with you about the lack of pinhole or bezel.
Damn thing just works so may just stick with this and see what Note11 (or whatever they call it) comes about.

divvykev said:
Newcomer to Samsung after being through Pixels, NExus, Nokia, Oneplus and just could not find something to fit.
Was offered a Note 9 (copper) second hand but in superb condition for £350 and thought what the hell as was looking at the S10 or Note 10.
Wow, blown away by the phone. Especially now have change the CSC to UK. So much smoother than my Pixel 3XL and with a bit more character to it. Screen scrolling is smooth and battery much better.
Am with you about the lack of pinhole or bezel.
Damn thing just works so may just stick with this and see what Note11 (or whatever they call it) comes about.
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Yeah I have tried Google phone before and the radio in it is not nearly strong as the samsung. I used to be a Motorola guy but not since the note 8 I've stuck with Samsung ever since.

I experienced weaker cellular signal with both an S10e and an S9 than the better signal reception of my Note 9. I love this phone!
I had what I thought was the phone I really wanted, before this Note 9, in the Pixel 2 XL. What a disappointment. I just didn't like it. So much that I didn't even get around to rooting, before selling it.
I only miss a couple minor things, without root with the Note 9. This is the first unrootable phone I've had since 2012.
I got the 8/512 version, in hopes of keeping it for 4 years or more. I kept it on Oreo, because I did not want the new "features" of pie.
I'll let my S9 go to Android 10 / One UI version 2 and if all is well, may let the Note 9 update to that.
I've always felt that a phone runs best on its original Android version.

I am usually the same but I like the pie dark mode and aod touch to see. But oreo is a good os. I started to just stay with it but I'm looking forward to 10

pizza_pablo said:
I experienced weaker cellular signal with both an S10e and an S9 than the better signal reception of my Note 9. I love this phone!
I had what I thought was the phone I really wanted, before this Note 9, in the Pixel 2 XL. What a disappointment. I just didn't like it. So much that I didn't even get around to rooting, before selling it.
I only miss a couple minor things, without root with the Note 9. This is the first unrootable phone I've had since 2012.
I got the 8/512 version, in hopes of keeping it for 4 years or more. I kept it on Oreo, because I did not want the new "features" of pie.
I'll let my S9 go to Android 10 / One UI version 2 and if all is well, may let the Note 9 update to that.
I've always felt that a phone runs best on its original Android version.
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nothing is better than a phone running on its original Android version but... lets hope Android 10 change this... I have been on Oreo still and once Android 10 is stable enough.. I will jump to it!

Da-BOSS said:
nothing is better than a phone running on its original Android version but... lets hope Android 10 change this... I have been on Oreo still and once Android 10 is stable enough.. I will jump to it!
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It's nice to see someone agree with me, for a change!
Most are adamantly in favor of taking updates. I believe security updates are almost placebo, covering old threats, but I'm no software engineer.
My and the wife's Note 9s are on Oreo, with the December 1, 2018 security patch, experiencing no I'll affects. Are we just lucky?
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sethsmaxx said:
I am usually the same but I like the pie dark mode and aod touch to see. But oreo is a good os. I started to just stay with it but I'm looking forward to 10
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Pie's "dark mode" is so incomplete, it makes me wonder how "complete" the One UI 2.0 dark mode will actually be and the fact that it cannot be combined with a theme is utter stupidity.
I don't know this "aod touch to see". I'll have to go for up my S9 on Pie and compare the difference with the AOD on my Oreo Note 9.

pizza_pablo said:
It's nice to see someone agree with me, for a change!
Most are adamantly in favor of taking updates. I believe security updates are almost placebo, covering old threats, but I'm no software engineer.
My and the wife's Note 9s are on Oreo, with the December 1, 2018 security patch, experiencing no I'll affects. Are we just lucky?
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If you use mobile banking and financial apps on your mobile device, then I would highly recommend that you install the latest OS updates onto your device. As those patch the unknown security flaws in your device's OS. Without them you risk loosing your financial data to hackers.

iceepyon said:
If you use mobile banking and financial apps on your mobile device, then I would highly recommend that you install the latest OS updates onto your device. As those patch the unknown security flaws in your device's OS. Without them you risk loosing your financial data to hackers.
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Is there any data to backup such a claim?
What about phones that are old enough to no longer receive any update. Should they be thrown out?
Serious questions.

Hello
Comparing a One + 7Pro with a Galaxy Note 10+ does not seem very wise to me. By cons with the One + 7T Pro yes.
The One + 7T Pro HD1913 released with Android 10 under Oxygen OS 10.0.5 HD01BA is really remarkable, no bug unlike the 7 Pro.
For network sensitivity and 4G + speed, the Note 10+ is lagging behind, I made the comparison directly with my operator and I therefore bought the One + 7T Pro.
It's been 10 years since I was a samsung pro, in the style of pierced screens while I never take a selfie, I much prefer the popup camera.
On the positive side too, there is no slew of totally useless applications like Samsung's.
I just replaced the original SMS / MMS application with "TEXTRA" and installed "BlueMail" to manage my email accounts.
I also have a Galaxy Note 9, certainly the stylus is practical but not essential.
The Note 10+ is a very good cell phone, but my first purchase criteria is above all network quality.
This is only my personal opinion.

pizza_pablo said:
Is there any data to backup such a claim?
What about phones that are old enough to no longer receive any update. Should they be thrown out?
Serious questions.
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Seeing as those security patches are design to patch up security exploit holes in the OS. I would believe that installing them would be make your device more secure. Of course you are free to not install them. That choice is entirely up to you. I am just throwing in my 2 cents

iceepyon said:
Seeing as those security patches are design to patch up security exploit holes in the OS. I would believe that installing them would be make your device more secure. Of course you are free to not install them. That choice is entirely up to you. I am just throwing in my 2 cents
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One would think these to be true. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you made a bold claim about security patches protecting banking apps.
I just asked if there is any data to back that up.
It's not like this would be the first time we were lied to or claims were exaggerated about security.

pizza_pablo said:
One would think these to be true. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you made a bold claim about security patches protecting banking apps.
I just asked if there is any data to back that up.
It's not like this would be the first time we were lied to or claims were exaggerated about security.
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It's not a bold claim--it's a sensible and widely held belief, so of course 'one would think these to be true', no evidence forthcoming!
If any given security update blocks hackers from exploiting some method to get sensitive data, we are not likely to find data that some actual hackers were blocked. This is a good example of a negative that cannot be proven, and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! In security, there are no absolutes; you take your chances. It's a well known generality that an updated system is more secure that one that is not updated.
If your banking data is on your phone, and you go read about all the latest holes, in smartphones, that can be exploited to steal your data and log into your bank, you could then go on a wild goosechase trying to determine what holes are on your phone and what patches apply and in what software versions, which is not easy! At that point it becomes apparent that it's more sensible to apply the latest updates (that's what most people do). On the other hand, if you don't look into it, you could just pretend that your phone is better than most phones and there are no security holes that need to be fixed. In that case, ignorance is bliss, right?
I have halted all my updates since summer of 2019, because I don't want to roll forward my bootloader version, for the rare chance that there might one day be a method to root the Qualcomm variant, only on an early bootloader. Although that is looking grim, and I really should keep my phone updated. The point is, I don't trust that updates are only for my benefit, since it's clear that 'security' updates from Samsung are sometimes more about keeping me from being able to own my phone than protecting my data. I am not in any denial of either.
Also, to OP, ya, this Note 9 is 'better' than the Note 10. I bought mine brand new last spring for about $600 before the Note 10 was released, and I bought it knowing that the Note 10 would be worse, which is why I did not wait for the Note 10 release. What seems interesting is the Note 10 is so not loved that the Note 9 actually went back up in price after the release of the Note 10! Way to go, Samsung!! Curved screen, non-replaceable battery, camera holes/notches, removing headphone jack, bendable screens, and just generally trying so hard to be 'cool' like Apple, is what has turned me off of their products and Samsung as a company. It's like they used to target a market of more sensible lovers of tech, but now they have changed their target market to go after all the Apple fanboys, who fall for gimmickry rather than appreciate really sensible and cutting-edge design, leaving their old market behind. I am not a big fan anymore, and I'll likely look for another brand when I am ready to upgrade.

gruuvin said:
It's not a bold claim--it's a sensible and widely held belief, so of course 'one would think these to be true', no evidence forthcoming!
If any given security update blocks hackers from exploiting some method to get sensitive data, we are not likely to find data that some actual hackers were blocked. This is a good example of a negative that cannot be proven, and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! In security, there are no absolutes; you take your chances. It's a well known generality that an updated system is more secure that one that is not updated.
If your banking data is on your phone, and you go read about all the latest holes, in smartphones, that can be exploited to steal your data and log into your bank, you could then go on a wild goosechase trying to determine what holes are on your phone and what patches apply and in what software versions, which is not easy! At that point it becomes apparent that it's more sensible to apply the latest updates (that's what most people do). On the other hand, if you don't look into it, you could just pretend that your phone is better than most phones and there are no security holes that need to be fixed. In that case, ignorance is bliss, right?
I have halted all my updates since summer of 2019, because I don't want to roll forward my bootloader version, for the rare chance that there might one day be a method to root the Qualcomm variant, only on an early bootloader. Although that is looking grim, and I really should keep my phone updated. The point is, I don't trust that updates are only for my benefit, since it's clear that 'security' updates from Samsung are sometimes more about keeping me from being able to own my phone than protecting my data. I am not in any denial of either.
Also, to OP, ya, this Note 9 is 'better' than the Note 10. I bought mine brand new last spring for about $600 before the Note 10 was released, and I bought it knowing that the Note 10 would be worse, which is why I did not wait for the Note 10 release. What seems interesting is the Note 10 is so not loved that the Note 9 actually went back up in price after the release of the Note 10! Way to go, Samsung!! Curved screen, non-replaceable battery, camera holes/notches, removing headphone jack, bendable screens, and just generally trying so hard to be 'cool' like Apple, is what has turned me off of their products and Samsung as a company. It's like they used to target a market of more sensible lovers of tech, but now they have changed their target market to go after all the Apple fanboys, who fall for gimmickry rather than appreciate really sensible and cutting-edge design, leaving their old market behind. I am not a big fan anymore, and I'll likely look for another brand when I am ready to upgrade.
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pizza_pablo said:
One would think these to be true. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you made a bold claim about security patches protecting banking apps.
I just asked if there is any data to back that up.
It's not like this would be the first time we were lied to or claims were exaggerated about security.
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Not directed to you two specifically or anything...
Those security holes are definitely legit, but the breaking in and utilization of said holes aren't being reported on for very specific reasons. Especially when it comes to major multi-billion dollar companies that manufacture smartphones. You wouldn't want to buy a smartphone from a company that has had hacks occur on a regular basis. Not to mention if that did get out, the amount of crumbling some of these companies would face.
In my field of work, we report vulnerabilities we find to companies who's products we are using. Nothing ever gets out to say that a vulnerability was found. At least not that we have seen. I know a lot of folks have distrust of companies and why they update software but one simply needs to think like a business or the creator of something that's largely used by a lot of people, to understand why security updates are important. We all definitely have our reasons for not updating, but to not update and think everything will be fine is a bad idea. It's all fun and games or conspiracy until somebody gets hacked.
If you aren't going to update your phone PLEASE be careful what you do with your phone and especially what sites you visit.:good:

Ok update! The blue note 9 that I got on discount from Microsoft for 449 had to be sent back, the battery was acting funny and discharging very quickly after all updates. So I returned it. Now get this the very day I send it back Samsungs own outlet on ebay had the black note 9 wesley snipes edition 128gb for 349.99 brand new unlocked with 1 year warranty they had 5 left, I got the notification from ebay as I had been watching this item for some time at 549.99 but I guess they were trying to clear inventory dropped it 200 dollars so I bought 2 of them and about an hour or so later it went back to 549.99! Ooooohhhhh I just got them today 4% on both batteries I charged one up to 50 and keeping it stored and the other I'm using as my daily driver. I am on the original oreo factory firmware and going to stay there awhile which version of oreo are you oreo guys at? I'm sticking with oreo because it has 83 apps when its optimizing apps after updates and pie has 380 apps :0.

so... what next?

So alot of people (especially in the UK) will be coming to the end of contract and life cycle on the p20. The question is....what next.
Do we go p40 without Google services or look at something different?
Iv loved the p20, it's been reliable and solid, but I'm a Google loyalist. I use the services and apps and the idea of losing apps iv paid for already on Google play just seems a step to far.
Iv found updates painfully slow to arrive through O2, months and months behind. So definitely an unlocked from carrier handset next.
But what one?
Samsung
One Plus
Or something completely different?

I love my phone, but unfortunately i came to get too annoyed with the software.
I will be switching to either Xiaomi, oneplus (doubt about oneplus but i'll see).
Until Huawei releases harmony os, i will not buy their stuff anymore. Great hardware, **** software.

The Restless Soul said:
I love my phone, but unfortunately i came to get too annoyed with the software.
I will be switching to either Xiaomi, oneplus (doubt about oneplus but i'll see).
Until Huawei releases harmony os, i will not buy their stuff anymore. Great hardware, **** software.
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Yes. This mi 10 pro seems like a decent upgrade.

If you want updates to your phone, you have 2 choices. Iphone or pixel.
OnePlus is super easy to unlock the bootloader and will not void the warranty. Then just use lineageOS.

I had enough of of the Huawei software. I was expecting Android 10 by now, but nothings been said about that release for a while now.
Add locked bootloaders and no development, made a rather boring phone. It was the only Android phone I've ever had which didn't even get a working TWRP after 2 years!
I went for the Pixel 4XL yesterday, and I'm very happy with it. Bootloader unlocked, rooted and GPay working fine

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Yes. This mi 10 pro seems like a decent upgrade.
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Exactly. Sadly that it is kinda expensive and doesn't bring water resistance, but still it's pretty great!

The Restless Soul said:
Exactly. Sadly that it is kinda expensive and doesn't bring water resistance, but still it's pretty great!
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According to current information it's 4999 yuan which is more expensive than previous releases but it's still cheaper than OnePlus 7T Pro, not to mention Samsung or Pixel and iPhone. I am afraid it'll be more pricey in Europe though. Lack of IP rating is bad but I think I can live without it if the price is competitive.

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According to current information it's 4999 yuan which is more expensive than previous releases but it's still cheaper than OnePlus 7T Pro, not to mention Samsung or Pixel and iPhone. I am afraid it'll be more pricey in Europe though. Lack of IP rating is bad but I think I can live without it if the price is competitive.
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If it is at least splash proof, then i am happy either way. Better that than nothing. Besides, MIUI is really good in terms of looks and customization. I don't know about the system apps and country-features restrictions. Let's see how the phone will perform.
Personally, the non-pro version is better than the pro, but let's wait first.
Oneplus is good too but still skeptical about them, after they got called out many times due to their software backdoors and insecurity.

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If it is at least splash proof, then i am happy either way. Better that than nothing. Besides, MIUI is really good in terms of looks and customization. I don't know about the system apps and country-features restrictions. Let's see how the phone will perform.
Personally, the non-pro version is better than the pro, but let's wait first.
Oneplus is good too but still skeptical about them, after they got called out many times due to their software backdoors and insecurity.
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It's supposed to be splash proof. Regular mi 10 has bigger battery but pro version has better camera.

If you care about software on any level - don't go with Xiaomi. They are even worse than Huawei with updates and their camera software is probably the worst on the market.
I think the "what's next" really depends on the personal preference and needs.
I personally would never go with anything without Google services. Software wise - Pixels lead, OnePlus are probably the second choice right now. Camera wise it's probably Pixel/Samsung. If you want to keep the price low, Xiaomi is probably the way to go but you will sacrifice things. I would say OnePlus is the most balanced, but if I wouldn't care for the price I would go with Pixel.

I've never owned Xiaomi and frankly speaking I am bit curious, especially that this year they claim they won't compete with other flagships with price factor only. I guess I'll order it online, use it and return it within 14 days if I don't like it. Samsung is not an option to me as I want a handset with SD 865 and my region is "blessed" with their Exynos. Pixel is overpriced on the other hand and designwise...just horrible. I'd rather go for OP if their quality check is improved this year.

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If you case about software on any level - don't go with Xiaomi. They are even worse than Huawei with updates and their camera software is probably the worst on the market.
I think the "what's next" really depends on the personal preference and needs.
I personally would never go with anything without Google services. Software wise - Pixels lead, OnePlus are probably the second choice right now. Camera wise it's probably Pixel/Samsung. If you want to keep the price low, Xiaomi is probably the way to go but you will sacrifice things. I would say OnePlus is the most balanced, but if I wouldn't care for the price I would go with Pixel.
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I mean, since many xda nerds advertise xiaomi (second place, top being oneplus) as the best company that supports custom roms, i suppose a custom rom with gcam can fix all the issues Xiaomi phones have. I guess?

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I mean, since many xda nerds advertise xiaomi (second place, top being oneplus) as the best company that supports custom roms, i suppose a custom rom with gcam can fix all the issues Xiaomi phones have. I guess?
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True if you are willing to do all that. Last time I checked xiaomi.eu stopped supporting GCam ports on their official forum because they worked pretty terrible. I guess you can find some ROM like LineageOS that works with GCam, I didn't really look into it since I don't own a Xiaomi phone anymore.
If you just want to buy something that works out of the box they are not the best choice.

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True if you are willing to do all that. Last time I checked xiaomi.eu stopped supporting GCam ports on their official forum because they worked pretty terrible. I guess you can find some ROM like LineageOS that works with GCam, I didn't really look into it since I don't own a Xiaomi phone anymore.
If you just want to buy something that works out of the box they are not the best choice.
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I'm sure you're right about previous releases. Thank you for your feedback. It's good to hear some critical voice before the final decision is made. However there are already camera comparisons between mi 10 pro and s20 ultra and these pics/videos looks pretty good. Mi 10 pro camera is supposed to be revolutionary and able to compete with other flagships. Well we'll see.

Oneplus 8 pro. Nothing comes close unless you want to spend £1200 on a pixel 5. If money isn't a problem then the latter would be comparable and the only phone that is.

Why do you need to upgrade? I'm holding off here in the UK until 5G becomes a reality and decent phones are available. New phones for 2020 so far (and into the Q2) don't really offer anything above what I currently have hardware wise. The phone works fine for me, battery lasts > 1 day even after 2 years.

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Oneplus 8 pro. Nothing comes close unless you want to spend £1200 on a pixel 5. If money isn't a problem then the latter would be comparable and the only phone that is.
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I'm thinking the one plus but it looks like it's network exclusive to ee

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I'm thinking the one plus but it looks like it's network exclusive to ee
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I am with EE, by far the best in London, Liverpool and Manchester for all the places I visit, getting expensive now but that fits perfectly for me...
What gives you the idea that EE will have the OnePlus , as in the new one?
That is the one I want.

For me oneplus would have to show incredible improvement in keeping their promises regarding coming improvements and their cameras. I can't trust reviews 9n them anymore and would want to see it first hand. Shame as otherwise their hardware is blinding fast and updates/rootproof warranty are great
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For me oneplus would have to show incredible improvement in keeping their promises regarding coming improvements and their cameras. I can't trust reviews 9n them anymore and would want to see it first hand. Shame as otherwise their hardware is blinding fast and updates/rootproof warranty are great
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Honestly for me so long as ois is on the camera and it's got "some" development, the screen is 90hz or over..I'm in.
The rest is a bonus.
Oh and I miss that DND hardware switch
Apparently waterproofing, wireless charging is all on its way.
My only problem will be the price if they're all added, personally I couldn't care less about wireless charging, not when it idles so well and charges as fast as it does..maybe if I started using it I'd become a fan but I can't see it at the moment.
Time will tell.
Plus if they don't have the 8 pro on my carrier I ain't getting it lol.

Question Long-Term phone users: When do you expect to upgrade from this phone?

I expect to buy the S25U or an iPhone 15PM in January 2025 and then switch to it just as the phone loses support.
Honestly, given that they've promised 3 OS updates, I guess they'll be pushing out Android 14 around that time?
I'll turn this device into just a DeX machine or sell it off for scraps or maybe use it as a security camera or something if there's an app for that.
If Android OEMs haven't switched to 6 years of full-fledged updates by 2025, then, I'm probably going to be dumping them for iPhone.

No earlier than 2 years

Probably the new Pixel but I upgrade every year or 6months.

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I expect to buy the S25U or an iPhone 15PM in January 2025 and then switch to it just as the phone loses support.
Honestly, given that they've promised 3 OS updates, I guess they'll be pushing out Android 14 around that time?
I'll turn this device into just a DeX machine or sell it off for scraps or maybe use it as a security camera or something if there's an app for that.
If Android OEMs haven't switched to 6 years of full-fledged updates by 2025, then, I'm probably going to be dumping them for iPhone.
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2-3 years depending on what is on offer at that time. Won't keep it longer than 3 years in any case.

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I expect to sell my S21U and get something decent later this year unless Samsung fix the camera wakelock.
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I feel you man. Have seen you struggling to find a solution to the camera wake lock for weeks now... Can understand how frustrating it can be.
What I'm surprised with, is how good the battery was before the May update. It's like they broke something basic within the OS.
I'd give up soon future camera improvements and performance updates, as long as they promise not to mess around with the battery anymore.
Will wait for June update with fingers crossed, and if battery goes back to April levels, will stop updating to newer firmwares after that. Probably till the next OS version upgrades have been released and matured enough to be stable.

I specifically bought S21Ultra fully intending to keep it for 3+ years.
It's not a question of money or hardware obsolescence (not a real issue these days) but I'm so anal about setting a phone the way I like it, that I can't bring myself to do it more often.
Took me more than 3 weeks of tinkering and I'm not even done yet.

Two to three years is my average, I normally wait until my contract is up (24 months) and then continue to use the phone I've got until something else takes my fancy.
But this is assuming I get my S21 Ultra back fixed properly. My son dropped it on Sunday, cracking the screen so it's with Vodafone for repair right now. I've been quoted £226 for repair, which I thought was reasonable given that I've not seen a genuine Samsung replacement screen for less than £290 and that's assuming I was prepared to replace it myself.

Hard to answer this question until new devices are offered. I have upgraded everytime Samsung released it's latest device since the S6 but skipped the S20 and happy I did as the S21 was much improved. We'll see what the future brings. For me personally I'm less likely to upgrade just because it's a new device. With today's pricing for top shelf smartphones it only makes sense to exercise prudence. I don't see switching to an Apple device, the value is tough to reconcile especially when one considers it's proprietary ecosystem requires a total realignment.

I will say this, as much as I like my S21 Ultra, I only really went back to Samsung after my Oneplus 6T because I was offered a ridiculous deal by Vodafone. Samsung devices annoy the hell out of me, despite the quality of the hardware and cameras. The idea of never being able to take a device back to absolute full stock, have it repaired without the warranty being void, and be able to use every feature it came with simply because you would like to root your phone is abhorrent to me. They can take their Knox trip and cram it up their ****. No other manufacturer permanently alters their devices at a hardware level as a result of the user rooting their phone. It's a disgrace.
So whilst I'm happy with my phone, I'm likely going to go for something else next.

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I expect to sell my S21U and get something decent later this year unless Samsung fix the camera wakelock.
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The wakelock is said to have been fixed in the AUF2 update that Dr KETAN just released.

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If you mean his custom ROM then I'm notrooted and I'm unable to install it
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Well yes I do mean the custom ROM. I am downloading it now and hoping to see better battery life as with the 1st June update it has been crappy.

Ideally, I would want to upgrade to a affordable, foldable phone with at least 120hz oled screen with great battery life, camera and is waterproof. I use my phone and tablet a lot, it would be great to combine the 2. When will this will happen? Probably never.

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I generally upgrade every year. I could ride this out much longer, just depends on what Google does with their next phone.

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I generally upgrade every year. I could ride this out much longer, just depends on what Google does with their next phone.
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Each to their own of course, but the idea of spending upwards of £700-£800 a year for a mobile device that will have little improvement on your current device seems a bit odd to me. I've yet to see enough improvement over a 12 month period in the mobile phone sector to justify such an outlay. Two years just about justifies it, in my case going from a Oneplus 6T to an S21 Ultra for example. I wouldn't have gone from an S20 Ultra to an S21 Ultra.
Mobile phone manufacturers would love everyone to be like you.

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Probably the new Pixel but I upgrade every year or 6months.
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Man, how do you transfer all that stuff without Android 12's upcoming true device-to-device transfer.

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camera wake lock
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What's that?

just got the S21 Ultra, took me 5 years, was gifted an iPhone 7 plus in 2016 so decided to ride it out on the iOS bandwagon. My yearly phone budget is $250-$300 so if the phone costs $1200, it better last a minimum of 4 years.

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My yearly phone budget is $250-$300 so if the phone costs $1200, it better last a minimum of 4 years.
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AMEN.

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What's that?
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It's the Cameraservice_worker partial wakelock that's tanking the battery while walking around with the phone. Supposedly, the "feature" aims to protect the camera while phone is being moved around by keeping the optically stabilised lens module from jostling around in the housing. As a side-effect, it's chewing up the battery much faster.
It's being discussed and investigated here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/cameraservice_worker-partial-wakelock.4234161/

Question Should I really change to galaxy

Hello everyone, in the past 9-10 years I have been an iPhone user after a bad experience with an android device. Now after 10 years I feel like android have become good enough to work fast on phones and got some nice features. So I thought about finally brake the chains of apple and move to android but I still have concerns.. I’m talking here specifically on galaxy s21 ultra but my questions are also relevant to other devices if I’ll find a better phone than the s21 ultra. My main concern that I also experienced with my old android device is a lack of support and updates. With apple I only had 2 iPhone in the past 10 years and they both received updates. (My iPhone X is still receiving updates) I was wondering what is the case with android? Or if I want to be more specific, with Samsung’s flagships, how long do they support their devices? If they stop supporting can you still get android updates? Using custom roms or kernels? I remember people have done it on my old device but those roms had many bugs, they were lack of features and the whole experience was pretty bad… how is this experience now? Is it still bad if Samsung doesn’t support the device anymore? What about the speed of the device? Does it get slower when time passes? (I’m not talking about reasonable reduced in speed that occurs over time, I’m talking about getting a device that is so slow that it is a nightmare to use it). Phones today have become so expensive and I’m not buying a new phone unless my old phone dies, so I want to have a phone that will last me for years, and I want to get the best phone with the best hardware to do it.
Thank you in advance!

Might want to break up your multi-part question into distinct discussions, because they are separate topics worthy of independent deep discussions.
have you considered Pixel? That's a pure software experience.

"I’m not buying a new phone unless my old phone dies" Which is to say you're curious not serious. Maybe you'll get serious about the time the Galaxy S32 becames available?

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Hello everyone, in the past 9-10 years I have been an iPhone user after a bad experience with an android device. Now after 10 years I feel like android have become good enough to work fast on phones and got some nice features. So I thought about finally brake the chains of apple and move to android but I still have concerns.. I’m talking here specifically on galaxy s21 ultra but my questions are also relevant to other devices if I’ll find a better phone than the s21 ultra. My main concern that I also experienced with my old android device is a lack of support and updates. With apple I only had 2 iPhone in the past 10 years and they both received updates. (My iPhone X is still receiving updates) I was wondering what is the case with android? Or if I want to be more specific, with Samsung’s flagships, how long do they support their devices? If they stop supporting can you still get android updates? Using custom roms or kernels? I remember people have done it on my old device but those roms had many bugs, they were lack of features and the whole experience was pretty bad… how is this experience now? Is it still bad if Samsung doesn’t support the device anymore? What about the speed of the device? Does it get slower when time passes? (I’m not talking about reasonable reduced in speed that occurs over time, I’m talking about getting a device that is so slow that it is a nightmare to use it). Phones today have become so expensive and I’m not buying a new phone unless my old phone dies, so I want to have a phone that will last me for years, and I want to get the best phone with the best hardware to do it.
Thank you in advance!
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If you're happy with your iphone, the updates, the performace and have been in the apple ecosystem for a decade now, what is your main motivation to switch platforms? Why exactly do you want to jump ship to Android? Is there anything particular you want with your phone that Android provides? You mentioned you wanted to "break the chains of Apple..." Android will definitely halp with that to some extent but that's going to come with it's own baggage. If you're really fed up of Apple, and have decided to jump ship after V.E.R.Y. careful consideration of the pros and cons of that decision, then the S21 ultra is worth recommending. It's one of the best Android flagships out there. Samsung is at the top of the game when it comes to frequency and promptness of updates (the quality of updates is a whole other discussion) and security patches - almost as good as Google itself. Pixels are good too if software and exclusive Google features matter more to you than hardware. S22 series is around the corner with the S22U rumored to have in-built S-Pen and basically a rebranded Note so you might want to hold off on upgrading for a few more months if that's your jam.
Just out of curiosity. what Apple "chains" are you talking of breaking?

Yes you should come to android world
Any android phone supports updates for around 3 years i think (and its enough) after that you can do custom roms (but most are little buggy)
Best android experience phones (according to me)
Google pixel, Samsung, Oneplus and Xiaomi

kfirbep said:
I’m talking here specifically on galaxy s21 ultra but my questions are also relevant to other devices if I’ll find a better phone than the s21 ultra.
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If you feel fancy to get acquainted with ADB
then it makes sense to consider Samsung.
Samsung out of the box is an unusable piece of trash
because of the absolute unimaginable amount of bloatware all running in the background draining your battery and making attacking surface the biggest in the industry.
But, if you remove all the bloatware (around 50 packages) you will get a decent phone
with four years of updates after that I'd consider to install LineageOS or
/e/ OS if you care about privacy.
I wouldn't wait for S22 Ultra,
besides of narrative smartphones do not make any progress since Samsung's S10,
S22U will be not a significant improvement
worthy double the price of the S21U.

Android. I simply cannot bear to use an iphone in any capacity. In my opinion, a rooted/tweaked Android makes apple products look like toys.
Security555 said:
If you feel fancy to get acquainted with ADB
then it makes sense to consider Samsung.
Samsung out of the box is an unusable piece of trash
because of the absolute unimaginable amount of bloatware all running in the background draining your battery and making attacking surface the biggest in the industry.
But, if you remove all the bloatware (around 50 packages) you will get a decent phone
with four years of updates after that I'd consider to install LineageOS or
/e/ OS if you care about privacy.
I wouldn't wait for S22 Ultra,
besides of narrative smartphones do not make any progress since Samsung's S10,
S22U will be not a significant improvement
worthy double the price of the S21U.
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This is exactly how I feel. Getting my s21 Ultra on the 21st and plan on using this guide to tweak since unlocking the bootloader isn't an option for the US build 4+ phone just yet.

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I simply cannot bear to use an iphone in any capacity. In my opinion, a rooted/tweaked Android makes apple products look like toys.
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That's why we all here, aren't we? )
iPnone is out of competition though if you look for a "grandma certified" phone.
iPhone isn't actually a smart phone it is rather a dumb phone, because all you can do with it is run apps from the app store.
On Android on the otherhand,
among other things I run a full-fledged Kali Linux including UI in user space on my old unrooted Mate 20 pro.
On my S21U I exclusively run FOSS only.
Android and iPnone are two different animals, people who compare them have no technical understanding at all, in my opinion and should stick with iPhone (if freedom is not a cause of concern, of course)

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...My main concern that I also experienced with my old android device is a lack of support and updates. With apple I only had 2 iPhone in the past 10 years and they both received updates. (My iPhone X is still receiving updates) I was wondering what is the case with android? Or if I want to be more specific, with Samsung’s flagships, how long do they support their devices? If they stop supporting can you still get android updates? Using custom roms or kernels? I remember people have done it on my old device but those roms had many bugs, they were lack of features and the whole experience was pretty bad… how is this experience now?....
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Excellent question. This is a common misconception. While Apple may provide operating system updates for longer, the effective usable lifespan on the flagship devices is identical. The reason for this is that the equivalent iOS apps require a much newer version of iOS than Android. Put plainly, a circa-2017 iPhone will have access to about the same software library as a high-end Android handset from the same time period. Same for a circa-2015 iOS and Android device.
My recommendation is to base your purchasing decision on literally anything else (hardware, ergonomics, audiovisual experience, etc.). The whole myth of iOS devices being useful for longer is simply not based in fact.