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Hey guys!
I'm looking at getting myself a secondary Android device to accompany my Galaxy S i9000. (I use my phone a lot, and it's quite difficult to rely on a single phone that has quite poor battery life.)
Put simply, I'm wondering whether you would recommend a Nexus One as a good 'secondary' device, or whether I should consider the Nexus S. From friends, I've heard that the N1 has much better build quality, and there isn't anything particularly inside the Nexus S that jumps out at me as a must have feature.
Anyway, I'll leave this with you.. you haven't got to answer me, of course.
Lewis
I haven't had a hands on with the NS but I love the build quality of the N1. Beyond the multi touch issues I'd highly recommend it as a second phone, if not your primary one
I've owned them both. Get a N1. With a NS, you will not be able to install your SD card from your galaxy (it uses internal flash only). The N1 is a metal unibody design with soft-touch plastic covers, while the NS is too 'plasticy' (IMHO).
Also, I am sure the prices of used Nexus Ones are less that that of used Nexus S. You can probably pick a used N1 up with accessories (including the docks) for cheap.
How bad exactly are these multitouch issues I've heard about? Do they affect daily pinch zooming of webpages etc?
Price isn't an issue: I'll be getting it on Vodafone UK - my aunt is due an upgrade, and she doesn't want a new phone at all - she's still happy with a 2006 Nokia!!
I understand that I can unlock it pretty easily and remove the Vodafone software?
It's looking more and more likely that I'll get the Nexus One!
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How bad exactly are these multitouch issues I've heard about? Do they affect daily pinch zooming of webpages etc?
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Nope, pinch zoom isn't affected at all, at least not in my experience. It only occurs when two fingers pass each other either horizontally or vertically E.g. putting one finger in the bottom right hand corner and one in the top left then moving them to the top and bottom respectively, at the point they pass each other the axis swap. Fortunately this is a rare gesture, even in games and one I haven't had a real problem with in over a year.
I understand that I can unlock it pretty easily and remove the Vodafone software?
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If you want to keep the warranty you can root the phone without unlocking the bootloader but if you wish to you simply need to issue 'fastboot oem unlock' in the bootloader and you can flash whatever you'd like
I am really wanting the T-Mobile GX2 and I have read through a lot of posts. I am coming from the Vibrant which has tons of pro's and a few crappy Cons but over all it is a great phone. Even reading through a lot of posts I am still not seeing a few answer's that I have.
One is the Vibrant has 2gigs for app installs. I love this compared to the N1's wimpy 192k. So how much does the 2X have for application storage? By that I mean without Apps2SD.
The screen? Is it a standard LCD? AMOLED? I love the Vibrants screen, but it can be annoying for TXT on some websites.
HDMI output? Is it just a standard cable? and is it a true 1080p on the big screen or a scaled 840x480 that the phone puts out? And is it true mirroring, meaning anything on the phone is displayed on the TV and I mean anything?
WIFI? is it N? Bluetooth? I hear the Wiimote is not working, but I am wondering if the T-Mobile version with the AOSP setup will make a difference.
Speaker internal and ear piece. I am really bad on hearing and I love the Vibrants ear piece as there is an option for HAC mode which CRANKS up the earpiece volume so I can hear in a noisy environment. And is the external speaker loud? Again hearing a game is important and a nice clear loud speaker is not a requirement but a plus.
size and weight? is it a super heavy device? and how does it fit in large hands? Do you feel like it is constantly trying to jump out of your hand? My Vibrant is a bit slick and sometimes I feel like it could just fly out of my hand.
I think that is all I had for now.
Thanks for any of those Q's that you guys can answer. I'm really looking forward to this phone!!
Since I dont have the international version of this phone, I am not sure on some of these things that you mentioned but I will share what I have read so far. I am on the same boat and I am starting to not like my Vibrant due to lack of support from Samsung and also faulty gps. I am considering to buy this phone when it comes out and I don’t think I will ever go with a Samsung phone again.
As far as memory goes, G2X will come with 2gb memory for apps and android system. And it will also come with 8gb storage on board.
The screen is an IPS LCD, I am not sure what exactly it will be called. Since iphone retina displays are made by LG, I am expecting to see similar type of screen. The blacks might not be as good as the AMOLED but it will probably be better dpi, less pixilation. So better text reading compare to vibrant screen.
The phone will will have other similar specs, such as the HDMI output, 512 ROM, 8mp camera and 1.3mo font facing camera, NVidia tegra 2, same wifi chip, same Bluetooth chip and same battery. The HDMI connection will be a micro HDMI to standard hdmi, there wont be any tweaks or adaptors and you should be able to have 1080p signal.
I am not sure on the speakers, others who has this phone will have better input on this.
Size will be almost the same to international version, it will be a little larger than vibrant but same screen size. The weight will be slightly more. Almost the same weight as iphone 4. I believe about 139grams.
Above all this phone will have quad-band data. In other word it will be able connect ATT's 3g network if there is a merge in the future. Also this phone will have a hdspa+ capability, which should be 21mb/s data speeds. But the main reason that I think I want this phone is because it will run on stock android. It will be free of the bloatware and It should look clean and presumably a lot faster. For that reason I am assuming it will take more attention by XDA-devs, and hopefully more custom roms and support.
App install partition is 1.45gb
Screen is a beautiful IPS LCD, as used on the Iphone 4 (LG produce the screen for the Iphone 4) - sharp, very bright, with vibrant colors and good viewing angles
Being an LCD blacks are not as solid black as on Amoled, but blacks are still very good for an LCD and color reproduction is good - it is a very high class LCD screen, pictures look stunning, easily as good as my HTC Desires Amoled screen. Looking at it you wont feel you miss out.
HDMI output is a standard HDMI cable but with micro HDMI in the phone end off cource. The cable comes with the phone. It is true mirroring, what you see on the phone you also see on the screen. Since android itself only support screen resolution op to 854x480 all Android screens (desktop, games etc.) are in this resolution being scaled to selected output resolution of either 720p or 1080p, but when you play video it switch from mirroring to only outputting video in native video resolution, and you can then only see video controls on the phone screen and the video overlay itself in 1080p on the flatscreen.
Wifi is N
Speaker is mediocre - both internal and external - not bad but nothing really special either. No HAC mode to my knowledge
It is not heavy at all, despite its size, which actually doesnt feel that big either, it feels light but solid. The feeling in the hand when holding it is excellent - better than almost anything else. Edges are rounded, even the glass front has rounded sides, backplate are "rubbery" feeling - you dont feel like you are going to drop and its very comfortable to hold and comfortable towards the ear also. I have tried most phones on the market the last 10 years or so and I cant think of anything with a better feel when holding it. Some (who dont own the phone) complaints about the buttom space for softbuttons being to big, but its actually just perfect. The sice means that the softbuttons are comfortable to reach when using the phone with one hand, and it means you dont make accidental touches. My Iphone 4 feel like barbwire in comparison. Sharp, slippery and uncomfortable to hold and to put next to your ear.
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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missed the topic or something?
Thanks guys for the compares! The 1.5Gb install is a win as I really don't want to go back to the limit app space. And I cannot wait to see the screen in person as the Iphone 4 screen does look nice. The micro HDMI is cool, was hoping it wasn't that special USB plug that requires strange adapters. As for the feel I finally pulled up some pics that shows sizes between the Vibrant and the x2 and they look about the same with the x2 being just a bit thicker, so that would work.
The missing HAC is going to suck as my hearing is horrible and I need that extra sound boost. Guess I'll have to wait and see.. er.. hear it.
again thanks guys for the info especially the app space that is a big one!
nomisunrider said:
Many of your questions can be answered by just looking up the phone specs and comparing...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3598&idPhone2=3416
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I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).
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missed the topic or something?
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The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...
gaww said:
I did not see anything in this link that covers the G2X, and it is not listed in "LG" phones when you open that link on the left. This thread was on the differences (like the additional 3/4G bands, etc.).
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Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598
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Why would the g2x be listed under LG? It is the "T-mobile g2x"
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3888&idPhone2=3598
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Good catch - thought they would list under manufacturer and assumed that it only showed current phone - it actually has the G2x US device. In shows the extra 3G/4G frequencies (the only reason I may get it).
In the list of other software, it does not show WiFi calling - really hope that can be installed.
...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA
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The topic is g2x versus 2x, however his post is comparing it to his vibrant...
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I have posted in a couple other forums and the threads lost all meaning because no-one understood what I was asking so I made sure this time by listing some things about the Vibrant as a reference. All I am asking is for 2x info, detailed better then specs sheets tell, so I can see if the G2x is going to be worth getting since both devices will be very similar.
Sorry for the confusion.
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...furthermore, why is a T-Mobile phone using the 850MHz HSPA band and not the usual 900MHz one? Even if it goes through, the AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal isn't going to take effect until well after everybody's moved on from the "G2X"
Kind of annoying, as pretty much the rest of the world uses 900MHz HSPA
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There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe ATT just wants to be different.
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There are several phone companies that are finding it easier to make a base phone that supports more then one carrier and pass it through the FCC. Every FCC filing costs the phone manufacture money and anything to alleviate that cost helps. There are a couple sprint phones coming from manufactures that carry Verizon freq's as well. I think this will be a trend amongst all phone manufactures sooner or later.
Also the 850 to 900 issue, I have no idea, maybe it's because of a spectrum issue here in the states. Or maybe AT&T just wants to be different.
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850 is an AT&T US band - not 900. TMo has a problem here (US) already with selling possible dead-end devices. And since offering "discounted' devices for new or extended contracts is the primary way of signing up and keeping customers in the US, this could be a real problem to them down the road.
Even though many will move up to a different device by then (AT&T) anyway, it still is a worry point, and according to a few local TMo stores - they are noticing it already.
I looked at the network frequencies on t-mobile.com & on phonearena.com and i say this definately my next phone. It has both at&t 3g/hspa and t-mobile 3g/hspa. I'm glad t-mobile brings this out so AT&T won't cripple it like they do their android phones. Its sad that AT&T customers have to go 5 miles to be able to sideload apps, find out that HSUPA is disabled, and deal with capped data speeds. Phuck that. I like AT&T's service but I never bought an AT&T locked android phone. Hence my rant. I will be buying one and unlocking it to use with AT&T. It might help me out if the merger goes through. Having all the bands would totally kick butt!
Looks like release date of the 15th
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2x-may-see-release-april-15-and-g-slate-529-coming-soon
Well, that. Are they the same "under the hood"?
Not entirely. While both are Galaxy S phones, there are some significant differences that makes ROMs non-interchangeable.
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Not entirely. While both are Galaxy S phones, there are some significant differences that makes ROMs non-interchangeable.
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For example?...Except for the networks frequency both phones use, they seem like twins with different clothes to me.
you can swap roms around between them, but you have to make sure you use a kernel AND modem made for your device in the rom zip. also, it seems that some of the framework in vibrant roms causes higher battery usage on the captivates...
^^^^What he said. The differences are small, but enough to cause issues ranging from important to minor. Most can be overcome with the right kernel/modem setup, but you'd probably be better off with a ROM specifically designed for your phone. And some carrier differences are problematic. Heck, even within the Captivates, there are some significant differences between a Rogers i896 and an AT&T i897. Then there's the issue of European Captivates that are slightly different from their U.S. counterparts. We can't even get the same ROM to run the same on all Captivates.
So they are the same. Just with little difference, but at the end of the day, they are twins. Just as i tought. Thanks for your answers!
Not twins, unless you mean fraternal and not identical.
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So they are the same. Just with little difference, but at the end of the day, they are twins. Just as i tought. Thanks for your answers!
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just be careful. kernels and modems are not really something you want to mess with if you are unsure. always replace the kernel and modem in a rom zip with a pair that work with your phone....
I would say they are different enough that you should stick to the one you have as far as getting ROM's and other such info. It is too easy to miss some minor difference.
close specs really but the gps chip is different, the vibrant technically can get fm radio output from the gps chip but i dont know if the circuitry is there to enable it. the captivate does not have any chip that can support fm radio. also the vibrant is so close to the i9000 that the ffc fits and can be enabled with an i9000 kernel, the captivate has no room for an ffc and we are unsure if the board can support it.
so of you are talking off the shelf features that are not rom related then yes they are basically the same. but they do not have identical internals or features, the tmobile roms have some things that att likes to take out or charge for.
Ok guys (and girls).
I now own a Desire HD and I maybe want to buy a second hand i9000.
Lets say that with the (un)luck I've had with my HTC devices I want to test out Samsung. Now I don't want to jump to the SGS2 directly because of costprice and my marriage.
Was wondering if both would act the same in speed? I've seen a couple of benchmarks but they go from 900 to 2xxx in Quadrant which is weird in my opinion.
Now my main usage of the phone, no it is not making phonecalls since I use my Nokia E71 for that, is GPS and toying around.
I've read about the bad gps reception but I think that was sorted out easily by bending the contact to the antenna.
I believe that this i9000 has a much better speaker than the DHD (tweeter I call it on the DHD) and the screen should have better visibility on the Samsung in direct sunlight.
Any other things that I should be aware of or would aid to my advantage of stepping over?
Now this is scary.
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Considering the fact that Nokia was pretty much late to the party, the question remains to be asked. Will we ever get Custom Roms? Thoughts please.
It depends on whether someone is interested and has the time... What would you want from a Custom Rom? You could contact one of the Rom builders on this site and see whether they're interested, if you know what you want. I've tried Custom Roms on previous devices and came to the conclusion that unless they address a specific need they're not really that useful, but some people enjoy the playing.
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It depends on whether someone is interested and has the time... What would you want from a Custom Rom? You could contact one of the Rom builders on this site and see whether they're interested, if you know what you want. I've tried Custom Roms on previous devices and came to the conclusion that unless they address a specific need they're not really that useful, but some people enjoy the playing.
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apt-x and apt-x hd working comes to mind, reliable nfc as well...
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apt-x and apt-x hd working comes to mind, reliable nfc as well...
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I've not found a problem with NFC once I worked out the best angle - the antenna is by the camera, touch the reader with the top of the phone, holding the phone at roughly a 45 degree angle to the reader, rather than flat against it and you should find it works everytime. Yes it's fussier about angle than plastic and glass backed phones - you pay for the stronger build and better heat dissipation that the metal body provides, but I don't think there's a problem with the ROM.
I don't see how a custom rom could support apt-x - Nokia haven't got a licensing agreement with qualcomm that I'm aware of.
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I've not found a problem with NFC once I worked out the best angle - the antenna is by the camera, touch the reader with the top of the phone, holding the phone at roughly a 45 degree angle to the reader, rather than flat against it and you should find it works everytime. Yes it's fussier about angle than plastic and glass backed phones - you pay for the stronger build and better heat dissipation that the metal body provides, but I don't think there's a problem with the ROM.
I don't see how a custom rom could support apt-x - Nokia haven't got a licensing agreement with qualcomm that I'm aware of.
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custom roms on other phones without official aptx support have aptx. go figure... anyways, its not like we are ever getting custom roms, kinda pointless discussion.
In short.... If you don't build one.... NO