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should we really have to wait for froyo?

First of all, I've got to say that Android is awesome.
Now here's the thing
I enthusiastically bought a phone with, among many other fantastic things:
1. 800x480 resolution
2. 512mb RAM
3. 32mb storage capability (phones supposed to format 32mb)
4. A high end screen ( that I now understand to be 3 years old), for what should be smooth scrolling
5. stable 3G connectivity
6. And I assumed the gallery would be at least as quality as the older firmware versions. In truth its still solid but its fair to expect firmware updates to, at the very least, not make stuff worse...
Meanwhile the froyo update is going to "free up additional RAM" and be able to format said SD cards. Don't get me wrong I don't expect Android to fix the ridiculous antennae placement or make the cameras flash more useful. Design defects are certainly tolerable and sometimes even expected, but only to a point.
I feel like broadly experienced bugs and specification shortcomings should be fixed ASAP.
I love that Android is going to give us additional, awesome features in future updates. But I don't think we should have to wait for bug fixes while Android packages them as new features in a forthcomimg update, as though they are doing us a favor. Android can take as long as they want to give us new features and I'm grateful for them and I won't complain about the wait.
But I must insist that my phone have the basic functions I purchased within at most a couple of months. We are talking about solving problems not adding features. Shouldn't the priority of the updates reflect that?

I don't know if they've released the changelog or not, but let's hope for several minor upgrades to come with it...

What's the question?

j.bruha said:
What's the question?
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-> should we really have to wait for froyo?

All I want is my ram. I'm very upset over that.

AndroidPerson said:
First of all, I've got to say that Android is awesome.
Now here's the thing
I enthusiastically bought a phone with, among many other fantastic things:
1. 800x480 resolution
2. 512mb RAM
3. 32mb storage capability (phones supposed to format 32mb)
4. A high end screen ( that I now understand to be 3 years old), for what should be smooth scrolling
5. stable 3G connectivity
6. And I assumed the gallery would be at least as quality as the older firmware versions. In truth its still solid but its fair to expect firmware updates to, at the very least, not make stuff worse...
Meanwhile the froyo update is going to "free up additional RAM" and be able to format said SD cards. Don't get me wrong I don't expect Android to fix the ridiculous antennae placement or make the cameras flash more useful. Design defects are certainly tolerable and sometimes even expected, but only to a point.
I feel like broadly experienced bugs and specification shortcomings should be fixed ASAP.
I love that Android is going to give us additional, awesome features in future updates. But I don't think we should have to wait for bug fixes while Android packages them as new features in a forthcomimg update, as though they are doing us a favor. Android can take as long as they want to give us new features and I'm grateful for them and I won't complain about the wait.
But I must insist that my phone have the basic functions I purchased within at most a couple of months. We are talking about solving problems not adding features. Shouldn't the priority of the updates reflect that?
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Other than the mem/kernel thing....are you expecting some kind of handjob update?

don't we have the additional RAM in cyanogen mod?

muncheese said:
Other than the mem/kernel thing....are you expecting some kind of handjob update?
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Hj's are cool I guess.
But If you were told the nexus one had 256mb ram and like 600x300 resolution and so on, would you have so excitedly purchased the phone? I sure wouldn't have...
I thnk we should have the basic functions the phone is supposed to have. I know its early but only ram and SD card formatting are mentioned in froyo. Shouldn't the phone have the resolution that it says it has, the ram that it says it has, and the other basic functions that it says it has prior to fun, cool, exciting feature additions? And isn't weird that Google hasnt even mentioned any intention to fix the phone so that it meets its own spec sheet? We aren't talking about demanding flash or decent video playback support or a UI overhaul. We are just talking about features and functions we were told we were buying.
Should we really still be waiting for that? I feel like we shouldn't

But the phone does have 512MB of memory and it does have 800x400 resolution. Crack it open and take a look at the parts yourself.
Sure they might not have complete software support for everything at launch and that can be frustration for some, but as far as I am concerned they put more hardware into the phone than they could use at that point for future proofing reasons. I'm happy about that.
Even after they enable all of the memory it still probably won't be used by anyone.

AndroidPerson said:
Hj's are cool I guess.
But If you were told the nexus one had 256mb ram and like 600x300 resolution and so on, would you have so excitedly purchased the phone? I sure wouldn't have...
I thnk we should have the basic functions the phone is supposed to have. I know its early but only ram and SD card formatting are mentioned in froyo. Shouldn't the phone have the resolution that it says it has, the ram that it says it has, and the other basic functions that it says it has prior to fun, cool, exciting feature additions? And isn't weird that Google hasnt even mentioned any intention to fix the phone so that it meets its own spec sheet? We aren't talking about demanding flash or decent video playback support or a UI overhaul. We are just talking about features and functions we were told we were buying.
Should we really still be waiting for that? I feel like we shouldn't
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When I received the phone I was ecstatic. That's before realizing half the ram was disabled.
I wasn't really planning on running official roms anyways, so maybe that differs for me. So I've never really been of the mind of "waiting for google to do their thing". I'm a tweaker by nature, from my phones, to my vehicles, to my shoelaces.
As far as the "false resolution" of the oled displays. Lol, you can't expect new tech to be measured by old standards.

PrawnPoBoy said:
Even after they enable all of the memory it still probably won't be used by anyone.
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"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
It would be nice if android were proper open source, instead of open source when google feels like it. For example, 'Firefox', as soon as development starts on a new version, it is completely open from the start. Though we are dealing with two different companies, with different objectives. Mozilla wants a free and open internet for the sake of a free and open internet, Google wants a free and open internet because it is good for the bottom line. In the end, both benefit me.

liam.lah said:
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
It would be nice if android were proper open source, instead of open source when google feels like it. For example, 'Firefox', as soon as development starts on a new version, it is completely open from the start. Though we are dealing with two different companies, with different objectives. Mozilla wants a free and open internet for the sake of a free and open internet, Google wants a free and open internet because it is good for the bottom line. In the end, both benefit me.
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Wait.... I was under the impression that when they say 'extra ram' its freeing up RAM from the OS, not physically?
Is someone saying we have the same amount of RAM as in the desire then? :/ (that f'ed up number, like 560 or something)

[Q] Is Captivate/Android Experience for Me?

All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick

by radiation I assume you mean the head tumors

RAVC1 said:
All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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Hi Rick,
To answer your question - why so much work occurs with Android, I would like to take the liberty of rephrasing the question - why so much work occurs with Android phones? There isnt one correct answer for this.
You are correct in saying that carriers and service providers like to cripple the phone before they hand it over to the consumer. So when you buy the phone you really are not using these wonderful pieces of technology to their fullest extent. Thanks to our developers here at XDA because of whom we can in reality free the phones that we paid much moolah for, so that we maybe able to use all of the fones features that have been designed to work in conjunction with the wonderful Android OS.
Secondly, the reason why so much work goes into the phones and development to improve the functionality of the phone is because that is what Android has been designed for. Consumer can customize the phone to their liking and does not have to get stuck with the proprietary, grid like systems like the ones iphone has. Phone manufacturers, and not just Samsung, obviously design the phones software in such a way so that there is always room for improvement. They bet their dollar on the fact that an average consumer will eventually buy a newer product when its released and marketed in the future. There is always something lacking in the product that is in the market right now and that is where all this work comes into play.
Now, whether you shud buy a samsung captivate or not and what the time requirement is, is totally dependent on what you want to use the phone for and what kind of functionality you would like to get out of it.
From what you said that ur not a person who wud like to spend a lot of time modifying or playing around with your phone, you wud still like the captivate. Samsung Captivate is a very nice phone overall. Its got almost everything that you cud want in a phone. In regards to apps included with the phone, you've got a decent selection along with loads of bloatware.... If there is anything missing you can easily find it on the android market.
If you're expecting that your GPS would work right out of the box, then the answer is, maybe - maybe not. and its not android's fault, its a samsung issue. There are multiple fixes for the GPS that you can find on the forum, that being said, if you plan on utilizing those fixes, like you said not only will you void your warranty but you alone will be venturing into that experiment on your phone and dev will not be responsible for any damage that may or may not happen to your phone. But then again no guts, no glory.
So all in all, if you do end up getting the captivate, i dont think you'll be utterly disappointed, but at the same time i dont think you'll be able to sit back either when you see all these new developments posted here.
Hopefully i helped you a little and if i said too much then i apologize.
I welcome any senior member of the forum to correct me if im wrong and/or make any additions to what ive said above..
happy forumming....

My brother has a Samsung focus. It's buggy as hell, completely counter intuitive, and incomplete. Theres also no apps at all. He has like 3 different crappy youtube apps and sound boards.
And there's no CM7 to one day fix it.
Sent from my Captivate.

anandsamuel,
An excellent response; truly what I was looking for to understand the issues involved regarding Android and SmartPhones. You did not say too much.
I guess I need to start reading so I understand how to root a Captivate!
Rick

Also, that font is irritating to read.

RAVC1 said:
All,
I am new here and to SmartPhones. I like Captivate because it has low radiation.
I am impressed with the activities I see here and on CyanogenMod. However, these give me cause for concern regarding the energy level required to accomplish them. Linux is good but I am returning to graduate school in the fall so I am concerned regarding the requirement of these phones and OS's. I would appreciate it if some of you could explain why so much work occurs with Android. Is much of this activity born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones? I see this as a major factor presently.
With that said, it does appear Samsung blew it with regard to v2.2 and the Galaxy S phones. I am nearly embarrassed to inform you that I own two Samsung LCD monitors after learning of this negative experience.
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ok lets slow you down there. first android is linux BASED not linux. there is no need to worry about OS/ device compatibility. the most interaction between the phone and PC are just file copying like through a usb thumb drive.
the next part regarding carriers/updates/samsung. you answered yourself, kinda, and backwards. Samsung didnt blow it.
Google android updates as much as any software does - to make things better.
they release to manufacturers so they can make it work with their hardware.
Samsung released on time, BUT TO THE CARRIERS.
the carriers then take what samsung gave them and add their carrier specific settings (APN ect) and applications (bloatware).
ATT blew the update timeline.
Sometimes manufacturers release their finished product as "source code" untouched by carriers.
the long process is necessary in each step to (attempt) to make a perfect software package that will work with each phone/carrier out of the box for the end user. so it is unfair to say "born out of the decision of carriers to control OS releases to specific phones"
XDA works off of source codes and carrier releases to make our custom updates.
Clearly, I void the warranty if I embrace the activities here but this just rationalizes the choice of a refurbished phone!
Please attempt to characterize the time requirement for becoming involved with these Samsung Galaxy phones and Android. I know I am not the type of person to be interested in continually working with my phone to make it better. However, I also know my limited perspective can be biasing reality with this OS and these SmartPhones unnecessarily negative.
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there are ways to return your phone without them knowing what you did. dont worry too much about your "voided" warranty.
before i felt comfortable flashing I took about 3 days reading my A$$ off! and currently im off on workers comp. so that was 3 FULL days. even then i had issues and mistakes and my phone was out of service a few nights! but that is part of the fun.
you do not need to be the type of person to constantly update your phone to buy it. tens of thousands of people have this phone on stock firmware and it fully works. the extra effort and time that we here at XDA and cyanogenMOD do is more out of fun, and customization. Many would argue function as well, as we do sometimes fix things *better* than google/samsung/carriers. but things willl *usually* still function on stock even if on a basic level.
you only need to put in as much as you want to get out of it
so timeline,
flashing custom roms/themes PROPERLY - under a week
cutting and pasting roms frankenROMS - under a month or 2
creating - vast back knowlege of programming, ect YEAR(S)
regarding wanting to update often, not every update on XDA to your rom is necessary unles it fixes something you didnt have.
Each Android/Carrier update, would be recomended (or the XDA counterpart) as each new android version (not rom) contains the most updates/fixes. so if you were running a 2.2 (custom or stock) rom it WOULD be worth upgrading to 2.3 when available (custom or stock). but you dont NEED to update your custom rom every couple weeks when they put out their minor update on the same base rom (2.2 for eg.)
Oddly, my wife is considering the Focus because it would give her the MS support she needs with work. Regardless, it does appear we have found a few excellent Internet resources for these choices...I just want to ensure I am not getting in over my head.
Thanks,
Rick
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no comment. best regards

Trusselo,
Excellent, thoughtful response; it helped characterize this activity further for me. My concern is now recognized (and conveyed to others...) as not wanting to be required to become a developer to make my involvement with a SmartPhone constructive. Samsung, Android, XDA looks very good to me. As you mentioned, my reading has begun.
Yes, something is not right with my traditional Comic Sans Serif font here; it seems to compress it horizontally, but my aging eyes typically need this font.

What kind of software updates/support can we expect from Xiaomi?

Just got the Mi 8 after 7 years on iPhone.
At first, I felt like MIUI 9's UI was quite dated. Now, MIUI 10 is rocking Material Design that fits better with the rest of Android. Yay!
Having said that, I'm not yet sure what kind of software updates/maintenance to expect from both Google and Xiaomi...
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
Ok...
Overall, I want to prepare myself for the kind of attention I'll pay to maintain this phone in the next year or two.
Thinking if I should install custom ROMs and how often I should spend the time to customize & fix little things.
Based on your experience with Xiaomi and Android in general, how much will the manufacturer take care of things for me so "it just works"?

Normally I would recommend you to buy a pixel phone, it's the best Android you can have if you use to have iPhone.
Prepare yourself to wait for updates and new features from Android.
The problem with others companies it's that next year you'll have mi9 and they will get there attention, so the updates Will be first to the new versions.
On Google pixel and iPhone that doesn't happen.
To my that's the problem with Xiaomi, Samsung, etc etc

anthroplus said:
Just got the Mi 8 after 7 years on iPhone.
At first, I felt like MIUI 9's UI was quite dated. Now, MIUI 10 is rocking Material Design that fits better with the rest of Android. Yay!
Having said that, I'm not yet sure what kind of software updates/maintenance to expect from both Google and Xiaomi...
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
Ok...
Overall, I want to prepare myself for the kind of attention I'll pay to maintain this phone in the next year or two.
Thinking if I should install custom ROMs and how often I should spend the time to customize & fix little things.
Based on your experience with Xiaomi and Android in general, how much will the manufacturer take care of things for me so "it just works"?
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You probably will get now the next 4 years updates from MIUI, so it's no problem. In the worst case just flash a custom rom if necessary

anthroplus said:
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
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Ok Google is broken on many many many devices, even Samsung ones. Voice match is grayed out and you can't voice retrain it.

NightScap3 said:
You probably will get now the next 4 years updates from MIUI, so it's no problem. In the worst case just flash a custom rom if necessary
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Cool stuff.
So far, I'm getting the impression that Xiaomi is particularly good at software upgrades.
In general, I want updated software regardless of the new stuff coming from Google or Xiaomi.

ArmedandDangerous said:
Ok Google is broken on many many many devices, even Samsung ones. Voice match is grayed out and you can't voice retrain it.
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I see... Seems like I'll have to live with these things related to Android in general.
I'm learning to enjoy using parts that work while training myself to ignore buggy stuff... As if they were never an option.
By focusing on features that work (no more and no less), it's far easier to enjoy this device.
But of course. Easier said than done. There's always temptation to feel FOMO for knowing that these basic things are supposed to actually work.

anthroplus said:
Just got the Mi 8 after 7 years on iPhone.
At first, I felt like MIUI 9's UI was quite dated. Now, MIUI 10 is rocking Material Design that fits better with the rest of Android. Yay!
Having said that, I'm not yet sure what kind of software updates/maintenance to expect from both Google and Xiaomi...
So far, I notice that there are some inconsistencies and annoying bugs due to the MIUI layer. Lack of "Ok Google", One-handed mode tends to stop working, Text to speech is missing, the text editing is sometimes MIUI sometimes Android, etc etc etc... While there are nice things about MIUI as well for sure.
Ok...
Overall, I want to prepare myself for the kind of attention I'll pay to maintain this phone in the next year or two.
Thinking if I should install custom ROMs and how often I should spend the time to customize & fix little things.
Based on your experience with Xiaomi and Android in general, how much will the manufacturer take care of things for me so "it just works"?
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Welcome to the world of Xiaomi. Dated MIUI 9? HOW DARE YOU We have a wonderful theme store with tons of themes, something that cannot be said for other manufacturers that have added theme stores or theme apps (cough cough Asus). I'll give you a detailed summary of how things work.
UPDATES, MIUI, ANDROID:
A LARGE majority of Xiaomi smartphone users buy it for the chap price and expect it to work like every other Android smartphone; Android updates bring you features. That is totally fine, but many seem upset when their phone is still rocking an ancient version of Android as compared to other phones (both other brands and Xiaomi phones as well). For MIUI, this is not the case, and again, people still haven't realized this sadly. Xiaomi pushes features and improvements through MIUI versions, so for the most part, Android versions are irrelevant to us. Obviously some features from the Android version are important such as the upcoming support for notches and multiple cameras, but for the MIUI ecosystem, everything you need to for your experience comes in the form of MIUI updates. Focus on MIUI version updates first, unless there is something very important in an upcoming Android version.
FEATURES, IMPROVEMENTS, BUGS and YOU:
Your opinions DO matter, many of the features present on MIUI came from the voiced opinions of users like you and I. Second space, dual apps, themes, etc. Many of the are thanks to what we have made of it. This is the same for bugs. There is a feedback app within the phone which is in the Tools folder of most if not all official MIUI versions. Do provide screenshots and suggestions, they are listening, and I myself have seen bugs I have mentioned be fixed in later versions. Could have been me, could have been millions of people who noticed it as well. I think MIUI 7 was the most successful MIUI version out there in terms of overall stability, but I could be wrong
DEVICE QUALITY:
Obviously cheaper devices will demonstrate that they are cheap at some point. Most Xiaomi phones are solid companions, but the lower priced devices tend to suck at times. I owned the Redmi Note 2, and boy the battery life was dreadfull. Some other mid range devices of theirs have physical issues. I owned a Mi Max, it began to slightly bend like the iPhone 6 Plus. The Redmi Note 3 Pro had what seemed like paint on the antenna areas that was chipping off from just putting it in my pocket. The Mi A1 unfortunately had a major issue with the power button that many experienced, and after a drop in it's case, the screen began to lift slightly. This is not at all to scare you as things happen, and all of those phones were outstanding in terms of performance and battery life. Not to mention that all of these phones have been top notch perfomers (no, thats not a pun). Their flagships are pretty darn good for the price, same goes for quality in these. Another thing to note, flagships have better band support than the mid range or lower end (even if they have a Snapdragon processor). This is why I gave the Mi A1 up. I had LTE, but no data during calls, calls would not come though because of the lack of 3G or even 2G support for my carrier, no VoLTE and so on.
CUSTOM ROMS AND XIAOMI PHONES:
Not a good mix in my own experience, but there are some great roms. It's gotten better now that Xiaomi releases source codes even though it takes them a while, but usually the common issue is a lack of a variety of official roms, with many being buggy ports or so on. I hate LineageOS, but typically other roms use this as a base instead of being built from scratch. This is usually what I have come across Xiaomi phones, but who am I to talk, I love MIUI and have not touched a custom rom on Xiaomi phones since the...well A1 actually. MIUI is not for everyone however. There are some setbacks to some of their featues. The browser app for example is great, but auto playing videos gets very annoying, and it falls behind many other browsers out there (I use Chrome). Heavily modified manufacturer builds of Android such as MIUI usually runs better than custom roms though, so keep in mind that you may not get the 6 hour average of screen on time with heavy usage, or may experience more heat, etc.
THINGS YOU MENTIONED:
Now for some of the specific things you mentioned, MIUI always seemed to want to distance itself from Google, but it has gotten better over time. Look at the Mi A1 and A2 for example. I believe that these features just need better implementing. One thing I miss about stock Android is the newsfeed on the left side of home, like the iPhone. I don't understand why the MIUI launcher even had this section, it is useless as all it does is display things I could care less about, and I have to go to the Google app to access this newsfeed. Text to speech I believe now resides within the Google keyboard? Go to Settings > Additional Settings > Languages and Input > under Input Methods > Gboard > Preferences and enable Voice input key. Now you can tap the mic on the top right of the keyboard and talk to type. The text editing MIUI vs Google part has me confused. I believe it might depend on which app you use? If it's a Google app, it's a Google thing, if it's a MIUI app it's a MIUI thing maybe? If you could give some examples, I could investigate and see if there is a proper workaround.
BONUS:
A few secrets! VoLTE not working for you? Try changing your region to India or Hong Kong. Notifications not arriving on time or at all? This is a default battery saving featue, go to Settings > Battery & performance > under Battery Saver tap Choose apps and look for the app that's not receiving notifications (example Kik) and set to No restrictions. Missing your Facebook (or other app) chat heads? Go to Settings > Permissions > Other permissions and select the app in question. You will see Display pop-up window is disabled (red circle with an "X"), tap it and tap Accept. This is commonly referred to as drawing over other apps. I keep it off since it sometimes becomes a headache for changing other app's requested permissions on the fly. This is something that was added to Android after I believe Android 5.0 or so. It's a "security" feature, but if you just installed a new app lets say, have a Facebook chat head open, and that new app requests permission for contacts or so on, it may tell you to turn off the drawing app to change the permission, so I guess this explains why Xiaomi decided to keep it off by default.

anthroplus said:
I see... Seems like I'll have to live with these things related to Android in general.
I'm learning to enjoy using parts that work while training myself to ignore buggy stuff... As if they were never an option.
By focusing on features that work (no more and no less), it's far easier to enjoy this device.
But of course. Easier said than done. There's always temptation to feel FOMO for knowing that these basic things are supposed to actually work.
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It's actually the first time I've experienced a bug with any of Google's own apps. Frustrating since it's a new phone and I can't use it to it's full extent, but it'll fix itself eventually soon

ArmedandDangerous said:
It's actually the first time I've experienced a bug with any of Google's own apps. Frustrating since it's a new phone and I can't use it to it's full extent, but it'll fix itself eventually soon
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Looking forward to the fix!
Google Assistant is a major selling point that got me to move from iOS (Siri) to Android.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
Crossvxm said:
We have a wonderful theme store with tons of themes, something that cannot be said for other manufacturers that have added theme stores or theme apps
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I hear you... It's just that I'd rather stick to stock Xiaomi themes as most themes come with hiccups. Could be a couple missing icons or generally hit & miss quality.
In any case, I'm delighted by where MIUI 10 is visually and where it's headed!
Crossvxm said:
For MIUI, this is not the case, and again, people still haven't realized this sadly. Xiaomi pushes features and improvements through MIUI versions, so for the most part, Android versions are irrelevant to us. Obviously some features from the Android version are important such as the upcoming support for notches and multiple cameras, but for the MIUI ecosystem, everything you need to for your experience comes in the form of MIUI updates. Focus on MIUI version updates first, unless there is something very important in an upcoming Android version.
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Great point! I'm embracing this now actually.
MIUI is far better than TouchWiz, EMUI, and whatnot.
It doesn't matter if the updates come from Google or Xiaomi. I just want enough vendor attention so my phone stays secure and generally updated.
If Xiaomi can offer its own flavor of upgrades, I don't really care about missing out on Google's. Especially since I didn't buy the phone from them.
Crossvxm said:
CUSTOM ROMS AND XIAOMI PHONES... so keep in mind that you may not get the 6 hour average of screen on time with heavy usage, or may experience more heat, etc.
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I'm most inclined to keep it simple and just use the latest & greatest stable software from the manufacturer.
My hope is that Xiaomi will take care of me enough so I'd focus on using my phone over trying to do the job that I paid them to do.
Crossvxm said:
One thing I miss about stock Android is the newsfeed on the left side of home, like the iPhone. I don't understand why the MIUI launcher even had this section, it is useless as all it does is display things I could care less about, and I have to go to the Google app to access this newsfeed.
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I miss it too but I'm learning to accept that configuring this feature on my own is a hassle that I'd rather ignore.
I'd rather enjoy the Poco Launcher, which works well with the rest of MIUI. Without trying to make my phone mimic Google's ways.
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Text to speech I believe now resides within the Google keyboard? Go to Settings > Additional Settings > Languages and Input > under Input Methods > Gboard > Preferences and enable Voice input key. Now you can tap the mic on the top right of the keyboard and talk to type.
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My problem is getting the phone to read what's on the screen.
I can't summon this button: https://cl.ly/11b07bb89e9b
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The text editing MIUI vs Google part has me confused. I believe it might depend on which app you use? If it's a Google app, it's a Google thing, if it's a MIUI app it's a MIUI thing maybe? If you could give some examples, I could investigate and see if there is a proper workaround.
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Yes, the Google-style text selector appears mostly on Google-made apps and others like Evernote. Mysteriously, Google Search uses the MIUI style highlight buttons (the one with Select, Select All, Paste, etc)
Looking forward to hearing your feedback!

It's back to Oreo and this time it's forever

I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!

Why not sell it and get n9600? Snapdragon and rootable.
Best of both worlds.

roaduardo said:
I've given Samsung (and Google) the benefit of the doubt and tried their new phone and new UI software. I returned my S10 and reverted my Note 9 back to Oreo. Now life makes sense again for me. I'm also someone who's guilty of impulse purchases. I'm trying to be better about that. Mobile tech can be addicting.
The new UI on the Note 9 feels like it's been crippled. Like Google, and to a certain extent Samsung, are inching closer and closer to Apple territory. Meaning that they are removing more and more features away and pushing users into tighter boxes. Call recording apps, theming apps, greater control over GPS settings, greater control over camera settings, easier to understand camera settings, and just other faux improvements that leave users feeling like they're using a half-baked OS.
The S10 was fine enough but without the features and apps that I've grown to dearly depend on my Oreo Note 9, I couldn't live with it. It makes me realize that there is no hope that such apps and features will ever make it to the new Note later this fall either.
Not without root. And that means that unless I want to keep this Oreo Note 9 for the rest of its life, any future Note device will have to be Exynos. Which makes me a bit disappointed because the SD chips have been bringing some great features to these phones. But we will never be able to count on reliable unlocking of SD Samsung phones here in North America so from now on it's Exynos for me because I will be relying on root access to get the features that I want but more importantly the features that I NEED.
I'm curious if anyone else feels the same way about this. About Oreo and the direction Samsung and Google are moving from here. I just wish we could stay on Oreo and continue getting security patches and other bug fixes along the way. Without being forced to switch to Pie. I will never understand this need among some users to quickly update to the latest OS version. They feel content to live with bugs in order to use some new features? An OS that's not fully baked in? That's good for them? I don't get it. Not that I'm supposed to get it. Just saying, it seems irrational to me. But that's me.
Something needs to change. Samsung and other parties need to come together and agree to let us unlock and root our phones. If we buy these phones outright, unlocked and outside of carriers, we deserve to do whatever we want with them. And that includes unlocking and rooting. Something needs to give. For a while there, Samsung seemed to be looking at the things people were rooting for and introducing them on their next phones.
But now, it feels like they've moving in the opposite direction. I fear that Samsung will no longer be known as the manufacture that gives its users more features than they need and more options to customize their smartphone experience. It feels as if those days are now over and we will be forced to just accept whatever Samsung gives us out of the box.
Not unlike what iPhone users are forced to do with their smartphone experience.
Long live Oreo! Long live the Note 9!
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so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?

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so what apps made it so that you had to go back to a device supporting oreo?
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Call recording being the biggest one and overall smaller ways in which the OS is laid out. Like with the camera settings and notifications work.

Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.

HuStLaZ said:
Not with you on this.
I quite like OneUI.
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That's fair. We're all different.

Bought my Note 9 when One UI was just released. Had a lot of trouble with several key apps (banking, mail, weather and some news apps). Had crashes and graphical glitches almost every day and every week a "fatal" crash were I had to restart my Note with a button combination. I was thinking about returning my device. Kept is and installed the latest Oreo 8.1 version. Almost all software problems are gone. For 3 days not a single crash. Keep my fingers crossed

dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.

i have to say my experience is totally different. I think OneUI is fantastic and a major differentiator. i think samsung has taken the OS and built on it. I am a phone junkie and regularly look to buy other devices, but this is the first time im sticking to Samsung not only because of HW but now SW.

I'm a happy camper with One UI. Not gonna lie, I loved how Oreo on note 9 looked. But I'm guilty of upgrading phones twice every year. A fresh look gives me no reason to upgrade to S10 lol. I'll wait till note 10 comes out.

bober10113 said:
dont know if you guys side loaded the beta update but on a fresh pie install, not updated, i dont have any of the issues reported.
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No. My Note upgraded to Pie/One UI immediately after talking it out of the box and setting it up. My user experience with the Note is One Ui only. I've factory reset (deleting data and settings) my Note four times (installed a different set of apps every time) and didn't use a backup (coming from an iPhone) so it was a 100% fresh install. The problems started the same evening, the first crash was within a few hours. With Oreo i'm missing a few features (night mode and lift to wake for example). One Ui is definitely looking more polished.

Friendly reminder, the only constant in the technology world is change. Anyway, Pie takes some getting use to and my biggest complaint is notifications have stopped while my screen is off. I still get calls and texts, but everything else stopped. Android called it Doze and change is inevitable.
https://developer.android.com/training/monitoring-device-state/doze-standby

I like one UI a lot. It's very modern and fluid. I don't have many issues with it. I've disabled updates, though, hoping for root to come soon so I can flash even better customized one UI roms and remove the crap they include permanently instead of just disabling it. That way the phone is lighter and the processor wouldn't have to work as hard.
I get your points, though.

I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.

bligui said:
I think I'll go back to Oreo also can't stand not to have my notifications play through the phone when connected to Bluetooth miss way to many notifications. I have to turn off media playback on bluetooth to have notifications play on the phone, and when playing Spotify the notifications interrupt the music hate that.
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Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE

butchieboy said:
Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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butchieboy said:
Finally someone else that has this issue. I thought I was only one..lol
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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And you of all people shouldn't be texting while driving, and you know why. [emoji23]

K-alz said:
I did, too, but never paid attention to it and I like it actually. I think it was done purposely so people don't text or check their social media and drive. Phone calls come through no problem.
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And you of all people shouldn't be texting while driving, and you know why. [emoji23]
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Lol...I dont kind sir.
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE

butchieboy said:
Lol...I dont kind sir.
SM-N960U ONE UI PEACAN PIE
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Mhm. I "believe" you. Then why were you concerned about the notifications going through your BT in the car? Haha

To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.

sputnik767 said:
To each their own. I'm too old and way too busy now to deal with rooting, customizing, etc. Used to spend hours on it when I was in my 20s, the results were always disappointing. I have only a few requirents. The phone has to be secure (my corporate access apps and email account will not work on a rooted phone), reliable, and I have to have a way to set default apps. Camera has to be good but I don't care much for too many camera features or pro mode. I have a full frame dslr for when I want to take real pictures. And I really don't give a crap about filters. Never used them and never will.
So, apple is out of the question mainly because I can't set default apps (open Google maps instead of Apple maps for example), but I honestly think they are overpriced for substandard tech. And I can't think of any iPhone that comes close to the battery life of the note 9.
In summary, looking back, I don't miss having an unlocked bootloader phone. In fact, I can't think of a single good reason to root anymore. None of the custom roms or kernels are actually an improvement, and in my experience, they never have been. I actually like the new android.
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Not disagreeing with you but there certainly are still some good reasons (in my opinion) for rooting.
Disabled high volume warrning with headphones (I personally found this very annoying)
System wide ad blocking
More efficient kernels
Use of Samsung's built-in call recorder
Battery charge limiting
The option to install AOSP based ROMs (Although the lack of HWC means battery life is poor)
Biometric unlock after reboot
More theming options
Use any app with the dual app tool

P20 Pro Bootloader unlock code 2020, is there ANYWHERE i can get one?

So is it possible to get get the unlock code to a CLT-L29 in 2020?
I was backing up pictures with USB, and cable was loose and fell off, and for some reason that made my P20 remove all media on my phone.
Due to limitations in EMUI 9 i cant use any deepscan, but might work on EMUI 8, but my phone wont show the allow PC remote hisuite app window to appear, so its a bust.
Next i wanna try ROOT, but need unlock code to root.
Has anyone any way of getting this code? that know it works? dont feel like spending 50$ on a fake page/service.
// Fredrik

frodrick79 said:
So is it possible to get get the unlock code to a CLT-L29 in 2020?
I was backing up pictures with USB, and cable was loose and fell off, and for some reason that made my P20 remove all media on my phone.
Due to limitations in EMUI 9 i cant use any deepscan, but might work on EMUI 8, but my phone wont show the allow PC remote hisuite app window to appear, so its a bust.
Next i wanna try ROOT, but need unlock code to root.
Has anyone any way of getting this code? that know it works? dont feel like spending 50$ on a fake page/service.
// Fredrik
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Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.

dladz said:
Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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You'll never walk alone!

dladz said:
Officially or unofficially, no.
However there is one method which involves opening the phone, this is going to remain the only method unless a team tries to work it out which I highly doubt.
Crap I know, not a lot you can do pal. Most people have jumped ship. Can't see anyone who mods their phone buying Huawei ever again. I certainly won't.
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Neither would i too. Tired of all the waiting and issues that i had with huawei, to the point where i will be switching to Iphone.
I will say it again for huawei : Great hardware, **** software.

The Restless Soul said:
Neither would i too. Tired of all the waiting and issues that i had with huawei, to the point where i will be switching to Iphone.
I will say it again for huawei : Great hardware, **** software.
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GPU is crap too, but I agree for the most part.
Never again
OnePlus mate, get the 8, I wouldn't buy apple personally.

dladz said:
GPU is crap too, but I agree for the most part.
Never again
OnePlus mate, get the 8, I wouldn't buy apple personally.
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Well, i am done with Android in general. Google's been removing features each update and honestly, the **** optimization that Android has regarding multitasking is so bad....how could Apple use 4gb of ram to keep so many apps easily?
Oneplus, yeah, they have their opimizations here and there, but i don't want to go set up the app background limit or some other stuff just to get it fictional (according to dontkillmyapp.com)
Either way, i will see what will happen in the future. If oneplus 8 comes with true water resistance and wireless charging, then sure as hell i might switch to it. If not, then i am going for Apple (i'd rather pay a kidney and know i got a functional device that will have 5+ years of updates)
Still it's sad that Huawei doesn't co-op with the xda community by letting us test harmony OS, develop apps and report bugs, but oh well...

I am also very interested in what op 8 brings but i would be slightly more skeptical. Well sure, if dev support and performance are the only factors go get it. Keep in mind that Oneplus (7 serie) is also known for terrible ram management. Another thing worth to consider is camera. Compared to huawei, samsung, pixel or iPhone it is just ok. If you have time please read op 7t pro review on xda. It's long but worth to read.
Btw. You're totally right about root and development today. It's not that fun anymore, unlocking bl often breaks functionality of crucial apps (like paying with phone) and magisk hide doesn't help it all.
(besides even op 7t pro doesn't have fully working twrp yet).
As for the iPhone. Price is still scary and storage/battery capacity is a joke. Only iphone 11 pro max gets decent size battery... and beats android handsets on this field About ios it's all about t personal preferences.

There is method called BLK, it costs about 30 dollars to get BLK key and two guys who know how to do it will help you with getting bootloader code for free. You can contact them at huaweihax on telegram

forever_lol said:
I am also very interested in what op 8 brings but i would be slightly more skeptical. Well sure, if dev support and performance are the only factors go get it. Keep in mind that Oneplus (7 serie) is also known for terrible ram management. Another thing worth to consider is camera. Compared to huawei, samsung, pixel or iPhone it is just ok. If you have time please read op 7t pro review on xda. It's long but worth to read.
Btw. You're totally right about root and development today. It's not that fun anymore, unlocking bl often breaks functionality of crucial apps (like paying with phone) and magisk hide doesn't help it all.
(besides even op 7t pro doesn't have fully working twrp yet).
As for the iPhone. Price is still scary and storage/battery capacity is a joke. Only iphone 11 pro max gets decent size battery... and beats android handsets on this field About ios it's all about t personal preferences.
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I mean, you get what you pay for. I am not an apple fanboy since i never got a chance to fully test an iphone or any apple product, but honestly, after testing an iphone 11 pro in a store (as well as iphone 11 which, for an hd screen, it looks pretty good), i'd take the risk with the prices just for a phone that will hold me very well for more than 5 years. Storage wise, i always do cleanup on my phone and, on my p20 pro, i barely used the 128gb storage (sits somewhere under 32gb). About battery, for a 3000mah battery, it holds longer than my p20 pro, which is amazing! Yeah, the max pro is better but it is too big and large to even fit in my pocket. But either way, i will see what iphone i should get.
I wish ANDROID OEM's would keep up with apple and bring up at least 5 years of OS updates, especially when they have their own services.
And thank you for agreeing with me regarding my opinion about bootloader unlocking. It is pretty much useless and Google may just disable the adb command in the near future. Why sacrifice 80% of the phone's features for a custom rom?

puszekkk said:
There is method called BLK, it costs about 30 dollars to get BLK key and two guys who know how to do it will help you with getting bootloader code for free. You can contact them at huaweihax on telegram
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..... Interesting, has anyone on these forums had any success with this method?
(other than the thread by @XTutorials https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/how-to/finnaly-t3972825 - which i noted with interest but nothing much seemed to come of it)
Could really do with hearing some success stories - I don't mind sabotaging the phone by getting the cover off and losing water-resistance.... but I'd want to be reasonably sure it was going to work :laugh:

What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.

purple patch said:
What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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Pretty much "xdatards" complaining at every huawei post that they no longer provide bootloader unlocking. I mean, samsung and other big oem still don't allow it or it does but breaks the entire software and they barely have any custom roms (not talking about xiaomi or oneplus)
Either way, i won't be surprised if Google removes the bootloader unlock command from adb in the next big android update.

purple patch said:
What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking ......
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Personally, I'm not interested in any phone restricted to EMUI - whilst it's not a terrible iteration of Android it's still too restrictive by half (e.g. the low maximum headphone volume really pee'd me off!)
I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!

JJ2017 said:
Personally, I'm not interested in any phone restricted to EMUI - whilst it's not a terrible iteration of Android it's still too restrictive by half (e.g. the low maximum headphone volume really pee'd me off!)
I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
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They already blocked the bootloader unlocking thing in emui 10, just like how every android oem will do in their next major update.
I start to think that Apple is no longer the **** company now when it comes to mobile market, it's the android oem. Let's be fair : you pay 1k for a phone that becomes irrelevant in 2 years, becomes slowers because of those so called "security updates", no custom rom support (even though custom roms are pretty much dead at this point, barely any builds coming up), and other software related issues.
What the hell is innovation if software is the main point of a product? Those so called "Isheeps" are so right with android's terrible update platform and optimization. 12gb of ram for what? Just for specs to flex with.
Everybody should switch to Iphones at this point.
Huawei tried to kill apple but honestly, with their broken promises, i start to think that maybe the android ban is a good reason for Huawei to start respecting customers and coop with them. After all, they want to be on top...

The Restless Soul said:
Well, i am done with Android in general. Google's been removing features each update and honestly, the **** optimization that Android has regarding multitasking is so bad....how could Apple use 4gb of ram to keep so many apps easily?
Oneplus, yeah, they have their opimizations here and there, but i don't want to go set up the app background limit or some other stuff just to get it fictional (according to dontkillmyapp.com)
Either way, i will see what will happen in the future. If oneplus 8 comes with true water resistance and wireless charging, then sure as hell i might switch to it. If not, then i am going for Apple (i'd rather pay a kidney and know i got a functional device that will have 5+ years of updates)
Still it's sad that Huawei doesn't co-op with the xda community by letting us test harmony OS, develop apps and report bugs, but oh well...
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Screw Huawei, they deserve it.
As for Apple, it's exactly the same with Mac OS Vs windows, windows has to work on a plethora of hardware combinations, as does android, osx and iOS have very very very limited hardware combinations, bare in mind how much android has caught up, it's not noticeable any longer, in fact a lot of phones have surpassed apple in so many ways. Oneplus and Pixels namely.
I've lived with Apple once, that was enough
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They already blocked the bootloader unlocking thing in emui 10, just like how every android oem will do in their next major update.
I start to think that Apple is no longer the **** company now when it comes to mobile market, it's the android oem. Let's be fair : you pay 1k for a phone that becomes irrelevant in 2 years, becomes slowers because of those so called "security updates", no custom rom support (even though custom roms are pretty much dead at this point, barely any builds coming up), and other software related issues.
What the hell is innovation if software is the main point of a product? Those so called "Isheeps" are so right with android's terrible update platform and optimization. 12gb of ram for what? Just for specs to flex with.
Everybody should switch to Iphones at this point.
Huawei tried to kill apple but honestly, with their broken promises, i start to think that maybe the android ban is a good reason for Huawei to start respecting customers and coop with them. After all, they want to be on top...
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Where are you getting this from?? Samsung, OnePlus, Google, lg, have all kept the door open for bootloader unlocking or did I miss something?
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I don't understand all the excitement of EMUI updates on these forums - whatever Huawei churn out next it will probably be more restrictive rubbish. IMO the only hope is Lineage 16.0 - I'm running that on a View 10 and it's a good daily driver (although a little tricky to install and maintain)
But you're right: Q: Why buy a Huawei if you're interested in stock Android experience?
A: It was a mistake with hindsight....!
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Lol about the updates, for many it's the potential prospect of having anything other than EMUI and or any limitations being lifted and or the poor optimizations becoming better than the trash that we've had to get used to.
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purple patch said:
What is the features that everyone wants from unlocking bootloade on this phoner? I've had an unlocked bootloader since i bought this phone, however never seen any great benefit apart from ad blocking. Been running stock for 6 months now though. I came from a long list of HTC devices where modding was fun and actual features added. I just don't see any major benefit of doing this on this phone. Basically no Devs development. If you wanted closer stock Android, not sure why anyone would have bought Huawei in the first place. Maybe im missing some super feature, if so, please tell me.
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Titanium.
AOSIP ROM
True ad blocking
Xposed
Magisk mods
Snapchat mods
Ability to remove zram (massive boost in gaming and device speed)
Root optimizations
Root apps
Kernels
TWRP mods
True dark mode (something I've been using for several years not this awful crap they're calling a feature nowadays)
I could be here all day long.
Removing the shackles, gives you freedom, it's your choice what you do with it.
This is the essence of android, which is why people are annoyed at Huawei primarily amongst other awful decisions.

dladz said:
Where are you getting this from?? Samsung, OnePlus, Google, lg, have all kept the door open for bootloader unlocking or did I miss something?
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Possibility to unlock bl is limited to regional releases in case of LG or Samsung. Lastly i check there was no way to unlock bl on lg g8 (flagship 2019). LG update policy is the most stupid ive ever experienced. Regarding galaxy s serie - there are still regional variants (eg american carrier branded) where unlocking bl is not available.
As for the perks you mentioned... I am afraid not of them are available / fully working today. I am not a gamer so only adblock is sth really useful to me, but it's not a deal breaker.
Couple of years ago root meant sth. Gave you freedom and didn't bring any negative consequences. It's no longer the case. I think root scene will be dead within couple of years.
It's a shame that htc is dead. Their flagships were equipped with top notch hw and devs support was among the best on xda.

Unlock bootloader on samsung : Knox ****s the entire phone up
Unlock bootloader on lg : impossible on some phone variants
What i was talking about is that all companies like to copy eachother, no matter how small or big it is. Take a note with the disappearance of the headphone jack : Apple did it first and then everybody did it too. Huawei got the in display fingerprint scanner and reverse wireless charging : Samsung copies it.
Now with emui 10, Google can as well block the unlock command because then companies will copy this "feature".
Actually, since the iphone 11 pro release, Apple caught up with the competition of flagship devices.
I understand you regarding oneplus being a good comapany that allows bootloader unlocking. But the thing is : you unlock it you loose some important daily driver features like banking apps (which i use). Oneplus, by the looks of it, did it so well with the speed and optimization, however i'm not sure how well they did it with ram management. Either way, when it comes to overall support and less headaches, Apple does it better. "it just works!"
Still, let's see what 2020 brings up. Huawei might redeem themselves this time. If not, then say goodbye because i don't give more chances.
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forever_lol said:
Possibility to unlock bl is limited to regional releases in case of LG or Samsung. Lastly i check there was no way to unlock bl on lg g8 (flagship 2019). LG update policy is the most stupid ive ever experienced.
As for the perks you mentioned... I am afraid not of them are available / fully working today. I am not a gamer so only adblock is sth really useful to me, but it's not a deal breaker.
Couple of years ago root meant sth. Gave you freedom and didn't bring any negative consequences. It's no longer the case. I think root scene will be dead within couple of years.
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Unfortunately, the root community is pretty much dying since summer 2019 (imo). Most rooting apps can be used with adb (like appops and shizuku). Either way, like i said, i won't be surprised if Google blocks unlocking in the adb command.
Also, Huawei can root their phones using service mode, but nobody has access to their service software, yet.

I think we will disagree on this. I cannot remember everything I use root for, but things do pop up from time to time.
It's just easier with root.
Android will always have root and if not then it's the end of android, i really wouldn't bother anymore.
What I mentioned still works btw, and yes you do trust the efuse chip on some devices, but so what, it's worth it.
Losing a banking app? You use it yes but that's you lol, I would trade that off for root.
Apple is still a closed eco system and always will be I honestly cannot see android ever being that way, if it is then bye bye android.
This is my opinion and it's staying that way lads, sorry but that's me.

dladz said:
I think we will disagree on this. I cannot remember everything I use root for, but things do pop up from time to time.
It's just easier with root.
Android will always have root and if not then it's the end of android, i really wouldn't bother anymore.
What I mentioned still works btw, and yes you do trust the efuse chip on some devices, but so what, it's worth it.
Losing a banking app? You use it yes but that's you lol, I would trade that off for root.
Apple is still a closed eco system and always will be I honestly cannot see android ever being that way, if it is then bye bye android.
This is my opinion and it's staying that way lads, sorry but that's me.
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If Google completely killed rooting, ppl will still buy them. XDA rooting is a niche market now days. Rooting, custom ROMs etc was fun while it lasted. I still love android eco system, way superior to iDevices. iPhones can be jailbroken too, not as closed as you might think.

purple patch said:
If Google completely killed rooting, ppl will still buy them. XDA rooting is a niche market now days. Rooting, custom ROMs etc was fun while it lasted. I still love android eco system, way superior to iDevices. iPhones can be jailbroken too, not as closed as you might think.
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Quite a defeatist attitude of you. ask me, jailbreak didn't work on the latest OS, it's cat and mouse, not the same thing as root, not the same OS, your comparing oranges and apples.
Google won't do that, not being naive either, time will tell. I didn't think unlocked multipliers on CPUs would still be around today, yet here we are with a dedicated line for both AMD and Intel, GPU had now followed suit as had RAM.
Google isn't dead, they're just getting started, closing off a massive part of what made them famous in the first place isn't something they're going to embrace, that's the likes of Huaweis job.
Time will tell, right now it's open and there's nothing to suggest otherwise, besides the backlash should it happen.
If it did happen I would have no hesitation to buy apple, at that point android would have lost their ace up their sleeve, because I'm a small minority who thinks that doesnt mean I'm wrong, not wanting to follow the masses is a good thing, and going by Google's hiring techniques they'd agree.