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note 9 or p20 pro.. which is the best option?

Hi guys
Actually I use a galaxy note 8 but in September. I need to change it because expire the rent signature.
So, I'm looking for a new smartphone.. And the 2 smartphone that I found are note. 9 or p20. Pro..
It's true that are 2 different product.. And the p20 has not the spen.. But I don't use the s pen top much..for work I started to use a iPad with the apple pencil and I think is better for my use.. The display is bigger than a smartphone display...
So, if I forget the spen functionality.. What is your suggestion? P20 is cheaper (not too much) and his camera is better.
Otherwise, I'm started to use galaxy series or note series 8 years ago, the first one was galaxy s1.... Actually the UI for me is easy to use...I'm scared I loose some function with the p20..
Can you give me your consideration?
Thanks
Sam

this is like asking in the huawei forum whether the note 9 is better...

Yes I know.. But if someone need to compare this 2 device, where must ask the question?

If you're used to the Samsung UI, the Huawei EMUI will definitely be quite different. Especially in terms of how it handles battery management and memory optimization, as well as maybe the lock screen notifications. My friend does have a P20 Pro while I use the Note 9, having switched from the S8.
I will tell you right away, if you want better battery life get the P20 Pro.
If you want the better camera, it's honestly a toss-up. In true real world experience, the P20 Pro's camera is not quite the home run critics make it out to be, there were some scenes where even my year old Galaxy S8 could beat the P20 Pro.
If you want the better display there's no question about it get the Galaxy Note 9 it's not only bigger it doesn't have a notch and well it's a Samsung OLED display enough said.
The real question of the Galaxy Note 9 is, how much are you willing to pay for the S Pen, and Samsung's slightly less offensive software. My advice is try to shop around for a P20 pro deal, as it's been out for a while now. If you can get it for significantly less than the Note, buy that. If the prices are within $100 of each other, get the Note. If you can wait, wait for the Mate 20 to release and see how that looks; even if you don't like it, both the Note and the P20 are bound to be cheaper by then.

Oddly enough, the battery test videos show the Note 9 quite superior to the P20. Not sure what is better because I don't buy off brand phones so I have no experience with them.

Lol, P20 Pro's camera is not better. It just has more lenses. If you DO like taking black and white pictures, go for Huawei. If you like functionality, SAME CAMERA PERFORMANCE, S-pen and overall performance, go for samsung. I used to have Iphone 8+, now i own Note 9. I dont feel any different in terms of performance.

I just sold my p20 pro that I've had for two months, my note 9 is coming tomorrow so I can't compare the two (I did have the note 8 and s9 for a while though) but I can tell you some things about the p20.
The camera has been advertised extremely well, and it is great in low light BUT in real world point and shoot situations it's trash in my opinion. I haven't taken one photo on it that I like, all the photos I have taken on auto are over processed and over sharpened. Any Samsung phone I've ever used has always had a fantastic point and shoot camera.
The EMUI no matter what anyone tells you is clunky and just not enjoyable to use. I feel like the new and improved Samsung experience UI is really smooth and easy to use in comparison. I'm aware you can use launchers and stuff but I prefer to keep the stock launcher.
Although the p20 is advertised as having a 4000mah battery I haven't had a great experience with it. This differs from person to person and usage but I really can't get a full day out of it.
I know it might seem like I'm bashing the phone I have enjoyed some aspects of it, but my note 9 is coming tomorrow and I cannot wait to get my hands on it.

Thanks a lot guys for your really apprecied feedback!
I read your opinion and I thin, again, that my new smartphone will. Be again a note!
Sure, I think the difference respect the note 8 will be not so much, but as I explained, in September expire the relationship with my carrier and I must change the smartphone, and buy a note 8 is not convenient.
Actually in italy the street price of the p20 pro is 700 euroin European version, online.. The Italian versione is slightly expensive, approx 800 euros..
The note 9 will sold 1029 euro, so the difference is 250/350euro,but I can subscribe, is a newest in italy, a subscription with Samsung. I can pay monthly the device for 24 months, with 99 euro of first payment, and obtain a note 9.afyerthis period, I can pay approx 300 euros and the device will be mine, otherwise, I can replace it with a new one..
At the end, I will pay more than 1029 euros but for 24 yeast I have a protection against damage included, and is not a bad things..
P20 pro has not this option, in italy is sold or as a usual with carrier or I must pay it 100%.
About ghe performance...i really stress my smartphone.. I use it for job, I take note during some. Meeting, I use it via chrome cast to watch movies by Netflix or similar, and the integrated dex station function can be a good features (but also the p20 has. This option)
I use also it with camera, because I have 2 children and is always a good. Thing have in my hand a good camere to capture the nice moment of the day.. And this is a good point.. I was sure that the people like the p20 pro camera. Much more than the other. Camera phone, but your real feedback explain a different situation.. I'm not a professional camera man, I need a best camera with automatic setting for this moment, and if you are agree that also the note 9 can be better, this is another good point for note 9.
Finally... The UI powered by Samsung is without secrets for me after a lot of years.. Also, last but not least, when I configure the new device automatically I found saved wifi Hotspot, password and other small information that help me during my Business, and I reduce the stress to replace a new device
Th AK a lot again guys for your explanation.
Ot: somebody with the note 9 can give me a feedback about dex application, in particular for Netflix and autocad application? I think can be 2 real interesting application respect surfing on internet or other solutions
Sam

If you ask me, wait a little bit for a mate 20 (pro) and than make finall decision. Last year i had note 8 and mate 10 pro after it and huawei was better for me.
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Proday said:
If you ask me, wait a little bit for a mate 20 (pro) and than make finall decision. Last year i had note 8 and mate 10 pro after it and huawei was better for me.
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In what ways if you don't mind me asking? I got my note 9 this morning and I am so happy I don't have to use the p20 pro anymore!

@Popmonty battery capacity (sot +40%) and flat screen at start (this rounded screen are totaly pointless for me, expecially on a note series where 10% on screen is useless with pen)! Than, mate 10 pro had stereo sound (note 8 not), much faster (and better positioned) fingerprint, 128gb etc.
On a note 8 side was wireless charging and 3.5mm.
Now in note 9 a lot of things are improved; stereo sound (but still mono for notification except whatsupp app), 128gb base memory, bigger screen and 4000mAh...but who knows what new mate will bring near new kirin 980 and wireless charging. I would wait 2 more months if there is possibility...if nothing, note 9 will be much cheaper in 2 months
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P20 pro still uses bluetooth 4.2 while others started with 5.0 like last year? It doesn't matter if I need it or not. For a flagship price it needs to provide flagship specs. Huawei has been known for this kind of **** behind the scene. Who knows what else has been cheaped out on.

Regarding the mate 20 pro... It was also for me a good option.. But I need to finalize the order max in the first week of October because I have to finalize the contract signed with phone operator.. I must return the note 8 otherwise I have to pay another year.. But the cost is similar to buy another one new phone so I will return it.
For this reason I think is not an option for me wait the new mate 20 pro.
Regarding the performance of p20... There are 2 important thing that are not installed in this device.. The 3.5 jack and And the wireless charging... For my personal use the first one is good because in the night in some case I use wired earphone too watch some movies in my bed when my wife sleep.. Are comfortable and I don't want rememberto charge a Bluetooth earphone.. I have the gear icon x of Samsung and I use this only for fitness... And a lot of case are discharge.
The wireless charge instead is good because I have in my office the wireless stand and is confortante charge my mobile while I'm in the office..
Sincerely, I don't know why in the p20 pro there is not at least this option... In fact I read will be integrated with the new mate 20

I would definitely recommend for you to wait and see what the Mate 20 Pro will offer. I am expecting a fairly good phone from Huawei. They have made a few videos targeting the Note 9 so I'm guessed they have something up their sleeves. Also it will have a bigger battery than the Note 9 and also a more efficient SOC being the new Kirin 980 developed on a new 7mn architecture

Only (huge) problem from my POV is that Huawei does not allow unlocking of Bootloaders anymore - so cannot Root or install custom ROMs on Huawei devices - I hope this changes soon.
This factor alone tips it towards the Note 9 for me. Now patiently waiting for a decent price drop - hopefully by November/ holiday period.

sam213 said:
Hi guys
Actually I use a galaxy note 8 but in September. I need to change it because expire the rent signature.
So, I'm looking for a new smartphone.. And the 2 smartphone that I found are note. 9 or p20. Pro..
It's true that are 2 different product.. And the p20 has not the spen.. But I don't use the s pen top much..for work I started to use a iPad with the apple pencil and I think is better for my use.. The display is bigger than a smartphone display...
So, if I forget the spen functionality.. What is your suggestion? P20 is cheaper (not too much) and his camera is better.
Otherwise, I'm started to use galaxy series or note series 8 years ago, the first one was galaxy s1.... Actually the UI for me is easy to use...I'm scared I loose some function with the p20..
Can you give me your consideration?
Thanks
Sam
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I suggest, with respect, you don't make any purchase based on reviews or forum posts for anything you purchase from mobiles to socks. We all differ and it comes down to what your needs are rather than what you want or others suggest.
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Ryland Johnson said:
I suggest, with respect, you don't make any purchase based on reviews or forum posts for anything you purchase from mobiles to socks. We all differ and it comes down to what your needs are rather than what you want or others suggest.
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Ciao Ryland
Sure, I don't purchase note 9nkr hauwei depending of. The forum. Review, I already found this 2 device after personal. Consideration, also I have already the galaxy note 8, so I know the device.
Because are 2 really interesting phone, and because I use for job and personal use the camera, I just ask the opinion of the other person of the forum, because for example test the camera is impossible and I can only as ask a feedback from somebody that already tried both.
For this reason after some consideration read here in this thread I take the decision to buy the note 9 and I wrote this comment... Because some users told me a feedback regarding a feature that I can't test myself.. Sure I must believe to this person.. But I think also this is the spirit of the forums, no?

huawei's software is trash (and with that locked bootloader stuff u cant even flash custom roms lol), that alone is enough for me to not buy a huawei phone

destz0r said:
huawei's software is trash (and with that locked bootloader stuff u cant even flash custom roms lol), that alone is enough for me to not buy a huawei phone
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Rooting is a waste of time in this day and age. If you need to root a phone you are a million miles from a typical user.
The P20 pro is not as good as the Note 9 I would agree, but the software is fine, as is the Note software.
If you need to root then get a Nexus 5 or something.
With regards to the rest of this thread, for me the pros and cons are:
Note : Faster, Slightly better screen, Headphone Jack
P20 Pro : Better/ Louder sounding speakers, Much better camera in ALL scenarios barring indoor low light. Less noise, better zoom, better overall quality, much better low light.
I have both phones right now, and honestly if the P20 pro had better video recording and was a little less laggy on graphics intensive stuff, I would use it as my main phone. BUT the note 9 is a more polished phone and is better in almost all ways barring speakers and photos.

Jonathan-H said:
Rooting is a waste of time in this day and age. If you need to root a phone you are a million miles from a typical user.
The P20 pro is not as good as the Note 9 I would agree, but the software is fine, as is the Note software.
If you need to root then get a Nexus 5 or something.
With regards to the rest of this thread, for me the pros and cons are:
Note : Faster, Slightly better screen, Headphone Jack
P20 Pro : Better/ Louder sounding speakers, Much better camera in ALL scenarios barring indoor low light. Less noise, better zoom, better overall quality, much better low light.
I have both phones right now, and honestly if the P20 pro had better video recording and was a little less laggy on graphics intensive stuff, I would use it as my main phone. BUT the note 9 is a more polished phone and is better in almost all ways barring speakers and photos.
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im not talking about rooting at all, im just talking about ROM's in general. Huawei's stock rom is trash, while the samsung one has become very good over the years.

Should I buy it?

I can decide buying the S10 (normal one) or the Huawei P30 Pro.
What are your experiences with the phone so far?
Would you buy it again or should I go for the P30 Pro?

Hey mate. I was also struggling about Huawei P30 Pro. I have a S10 exynos, and my main problems with it are: battery, and camera. I was thinking a lot about exchanging my phone for P30 Pro, because of that camera and battery. But I made small research about P30 Pro, and... it's not a perfect phone. There is no perfect phone.
Check out forum about P30 Pro on XDA, and there are people complaining about different things of Huawei.
Those two last post from leoni1980 and Ady1976 kinda opened my eyes. They made really good points.
link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...ra-samples-t3916240/post79424402#post79424402
I think I'll stick to my S10, and I hope Samsung will improve night mode and the new charging speed will make the experience with Samsung better.
What are my favourite things about S10? First of all, the screen. It's great, the highest resolution is nice, but my top feaute is the reduction of blue light. Even youtubers are starting to inform about blue light and what harm can it do. Also the stereo speakers are really nice. I enjoy using OneUI with gestures and onehand+ app. No buttons on my screen, but also no one besides me know how to operate my phone Inscreen fingerprint is not perfect, but i like its position and that it can be used with wet fingers. Though my isn't always working. Huawei's interface isn't that nice from what I read.
Overall, it's a good phone, but not perfect. On some aspects Samsung didn't do their best, especially with the whole Exynos vs Snapdragon topic. And I think I'll stick with my S10, instead of trying to change it for P30 Pro.

TonyTellz said:
I can decide buying the S10 (normal one) or the Huawei P30 Pro.
What are your experiences with the phone so far?
Would you buy it again or should I go for the P30 Pro?
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Do not know about the P30 but I have had my S10 Snapdragon for about a month and a half. I also have the Pixel 2...
Love the S10 ..the Pixel 3a is due out anytime now and the 4 is due out in October and both will have a better camera vs the S10.
It really depends on what is important to you?
Camera? Always having the most updated software? UI ? Cost?
Do you use the Gear S3 watch? Etc, etc...
Sammy offers a nice trade in deal if you have the current S8 or S9 as well.
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thanks for your replies guys .. I bought it yesterday for very cheap and I´m in love with it

Congrats and welcome aboard!

Should I buy this phone ?

So,I'm due an upgrade this year and usually stick with Oneplus and currently have a 6T,
My usual upgrade would take me to a Oneplus 8 but I'm reading not so many great things about these phones such as hole punch cameras and the price is gonna be crazy for the Standard 8 and 8 pro
But here we have a phone that will probably be similar in specs and possibly better in places with the X2 pro.
I'm not crazy anymore about OxygenOS,sure it's great but it's boring after all these years. A little more features or some might say bloat can be useful and I hear ColorOS is pretty good in this regard.
Oneplus has slowed with updates for older devices so I think I could live with less updates.
Would you guys upgrade to a X2 pro considering you can get the 12/256 model for €449 now on Amazon or should I wait to see what Xaomi do though the k30 doesn't look that appealing if it turns out to be the mi 10.
Did anyone upgrade from a 6 or 6T to this phone ?

manus31 said:
So,I'm due an upgrade this year and usually stick with Oneplus and currently have a 6T,
My usual upgrade would take me to a Oneplus 8 but I'm reading not so many great things about these phones such as hole punch cameras and the price is gonna be crazy for the Standard 8 and 8 pro
But here we have a phone that will probably be similar in specs and possibly better in places with the X2 pro.
I'm not crazy anymore about OxygenOS,sure it's great but it's boring after all these years. A little more features or some might say bloat can be useful and I hear ColorOS is pretty good in this regard.
Oneplus has slowed with updates for older devices so I think I could live with less updates.
Would you guys upgrade to a X2 pro considering you can get the 12/256 model for €449 now on Amazon or should I wait to see what Xaomi do though the k30 doesn't look that appealing if it turns out to be the mi 10.
Did anyone upgrade from a 6 or 6T to this phone ?
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If you are not in a hurry (you have problems with your cuerrent phone), you should wait until the next generation of qualcomme soc (next half year).

valthunder said:
If you are not in a hurry (you have problems with your cuerrent phone), you should wait until the next generation of qualcomme soc (next half year).
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Yes, Ideally this would be true but I think the next gen of high end SD chips are gonna be more expensive and power hungry due to uneeded 5g. a lot of mid range well priced phones from Xaoimi will be having mid range chips like 765.
I actually think there is a good case to skip the next gen of chips because they are mainly for 5g which most users in the world dont need

I personally encourage you to get this phone. ColorOS has some interesting features and it's rock solid. The phone is very responsive and I have a good SOT. Talking about battery, the VOOC charging is unbelievably fast! I have so much to say about the Realme X2 Pro, but the conclusion is that I don't regret my decision.

aladin6 said:
I personally encourage you to get this phone. ColorOS has some interesting features and it's rock solid. The phone is very responsive and I have a good SOT. Talking about battery, the VOOC charging is unbelievably fast! I have so much to say about the Realme X2 Pro, but the conclusion is that I don't regret my decision.
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What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?

manus31 said:
What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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I did upgrade from Huawei p20 pro

manus31 said:
What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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I just was with Poco F1. And it was a very good experience with it and said that I will no longer get other than Xiaomi ?

Probably the best value for the money at this time :good:
Pros
90hz Display which is very good
UFS 3.0
12gb Ram (top variant)
256gb Storage
50w SuperVooc
Great design & build.
Decent Cameras.
Cons
ColorOS still needs work and that comes in 0S7, with realme perhaps doing their own thing?
Cameras are just average (made better with Gcam) although as yet still not a stable build for the X2 Pro.
Overall for what you are paying them yea it's a very very good purchase :good:

Duncan1982 said:
Probably the best value for the money at this time :good:
Pros
90hz Display which is very good
UFS 3.0
12gb Ram (top variant)
256gb Storage
50w SuperVooc
Great design & build.
Decent Cameras.
Cons
ColorOS still needs work and that comes in 0S7, with realme perhaps doing their own thing?
Cameras are just average (made better with Gcam) although as yet still not a stable build for the X2 Pro.
Overall for what you are paying them yea it's a very very good purchase :good:
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Pros: decent cameras
Cons: cameras are average
Some expert fence sitting there,lol ?

manus31 said:
Pros: decent cameras
Cons: cameras are average
Some expert fence sitting there,lol ?
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They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.

Duncan1982 said:
They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.
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Lol,makes sense,though from what I've seen on YouTube and other reviews the cameras are pretty competitive with other flagships,not the greatest but decent in most departments,
I personally don't like using gcam because its usually unstable and annoying.
Still not convinced by the phone though with ColorOS though it should be interesting to see what colorOs7 is like.

manus31 said:
Lol,makes sense,though from what I've seen on YouTube and other reviews the cameras are pretty competitive with other flagships,not the greatest but decent in most departments,
I personally don't like using gcam because its usually unstable and annoying.
Still not convinced by the phone though with ColorOS though it should be interesting to see what colorOs7 is like.
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ColorOS runs just fine in terms of performance, it's just a bit disorganized, Cameras they are perfectly fine in good light, but I'd say they do struggle and the Samsung made GW1 64mgp sensor isn't great, but the price you can let the cam be the way it is, it's not shockingly poor, it's just average and the price point for everything else made it a great purchase for me.
Here is a pic in low light, (Curtains closed, no natural light) Stock Camera (using nighscape)

manus31 said:
What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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Duncan1982 said:
They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.
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The camera is great people just don't know how to shoot proper pictures

Made with 64mp mode
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Made with 64mp mode
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I did hear that the 64mp mode is very good even better than the 108mp mode on the Mi note 10. I suppose it's just low light photos I would be worried about and lack of OIS

manus31 said:
I did hear that the 64mp mode is very good even better than the 108mp mode on the Mi note 10. I suppose it's just low light photos I would be worried about and lack of OIS
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OIS is not needed in any kind of way thanks to the Snapdragon 855+ and 12 GB Ram
i can tell you the difference , when i was using the P20 Pro i had always lags making any kind of video.
using the X2 Pro with 30 or 60 FPS its like Butter , also the way the camera reacts like speed focus etc you dont even need OIS so trust me you would have a lot of fun
The Only bad thing about the Camera is the Night Shot Mode ... you cant compare it with Huawei
but without that its simply perfect in my eyes and i did a lot of pictures using the stock camera app

natedogg20050 said:
OIS is not needed in any kind of way thanks to the Snapdragon 855+ and 12 GB Ram
i can tell you the difference , when i was using the P20 Pro i had always lags making any kind of video.
using the X2 Pro with 30 or 60 FPS its like Butter , also the way the camera reacts like speed focus etc you dont even need OIS so trust me you would have a lot of fun
The Only bad thing about the Camera is the Night Shot Mode ... you cant compare it with Huawei
but without that its simply perfect in my eyes and i did a lot of pictures using the stock camera app
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Huawei are very good for low light so I would never expect the X2 pro to compare.What about updates ?
I believe the phone will receive support for Android 10 and 11. Updates every two months with security patch and a big update soon to colorOS 7,
Have you received timely updates as yet ?

Tbh it's a huge upgrade over the 6t... It's better in everyway except oxygen and as I've said before to others the euro version from Amazon Spain is one of the most bloat free and fluid operating systems around. Regarding the camera I've got to agree with @natedogg20050 it's a excellent camera and if you know how to use it correctly I've mostly got better shots then my son's mate 20 pro and wife's view 20.... Then when you consider the price to spec it's truly unbeatable in my opinion. I've had the OnePlus 6t and loved it but to me the X2 pro is far better.
Edit: Regarding updates I've received 1 update each month since getting the phone.

ngagephone said:
Tbh it's a huge upgrade over the 6t... It's better in everyway except oxygen and as I've said before to others the euro version from Amazon Spain is one of the most bloat free and fluid operating systems around. Regarding the camera I've got to agree with @natedogg20050 it's a excellent camera and if you know how to use it correctly I've mostly got better shots then my son's mate 20 pro and wife's view 20.... Then when you consider the price to spec it's truly unbeatable in my opinion. I've had the OnePlus 6t and loved it but to me the X2 pro is far better.
Edit: Regarding updates I've received 1 update each month since getting the phone.
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Thanks for the input,I looked at many reviews and comparisons over the last while and have concluded that the X2 pro is the best and most interesting deal out there.I am now bored with my 6T and wanted a change so this morning on Christmas I have just ordered my X2 pro 12/256 model in blue from Amazon Spain to receive it next week.
In regards to camera,most if not all the reviews I have looked at are positive. Ive seen that they have improved camera quality in recent updates also , particularly with low light shots.
I think people who do criticise are only nitpicking generally that a particular color may not be exactly the same as it is real life or stupid little things like that. The camera from what I've seen is excellent for the price including everything else.
Excited to use a phone with 12gb ram also,as I've only ever had 6 at most,90hz should be fun too and the little features of ColorOs.
Merry Christmas everyone.

I still cannot decide between OnePlus 7T and Realme X2 Pro. Coming from a really clean Moto G4+ experience and being kind of a power user (not gaming wise but regarding usage time & used features), I'm a little afraid that Color OS maybe couldn't deliver my wished quality. And video OIS and night capabilities of the 7T camera seems to be much better considering many YouTube comparisons.
On the other hand Realme offers super fast charging, interesting software features (three finger screenshot crop and all this nice little things) for a much lower price tag.

Question About to buy a new phone and have an honest question

Hi all,
I have not been on the forums for a looong time.
I am about to upgrade from my P20 pro and I am trying to decide between the iPhone 12 Pro max, Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra and Xiaomi Mi11 Ultra.
The problem with the iPhone for me is the display refresh rate, the fingerprint scanner and the OS. I prefer Android and I prefer 120Hz refresh rate.
I am leaning towards both android choices. However I have watched all reviews and comparisons I could between these phones on youtube and I have a few issues:
1. I think I did not see a single review with the latest Mi 11 Ultra firmware and the xiaomi.eu ROM. This is bugging me because I cannot see a comparison with the latest updates on the cameras.
2. From the videos I watched it seems the selfie camera on the Mi 11 Ultra is a real letdown. And the rear camera used to take selfies also seem to produce bad results.
Can anyone who has used both phones give an honest opinion please?
Or someone who is using the latest firmware explain the impact of the updates since the release of the phone?
Thank you!

Buy iphone 12 pro max. Is good everywhere

avetny said:
Buy iphone 12 pro max. Is good everywhere
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I am sad to hear this to be honest, but somehow I was always seeing things in both Android phones especially in video recording that were annoying as hell.
Or maybe I wait for Pixel 6 to see ...

I don't have a S21 Ultra or iPhone 12 Pro Max but I do have a P40 Pro which I still thought was the best camera phone to date.
When I bought Mi 11 Ultra, I was close to returning it because I couldn't be more disappointed by its camera performance after hearing how amazing this new sensor is. I wanted to wait for the P50 Pro even if it did not have Google app support as the camera is my #1 priority and I'm a light app user.
However, it's been a month or two and even being on CN stable firmware the camera has improved massively and I no longer regret my decision and have little complaints overall about the phone. I took a lot of sample shots on slightly older firmware in my main thread and overall I'm very pleased with the results and it can only keep improving given it's not even officially out still in some countries.
I'm now on v12.5.7 and to give you a rough idea of all the updates I received on the CN model, I've gotten at least 5 updates since receiving it. Most YouTubers such as MKBHD and MrWhosetheboss were still on early stock firmware that had no camera improvements and optimizations, while they compared it to the S21U and iPhone 12 Pro Max which were all well optimized by then. This meant their results weren't that great or convincing.

kyero985 said:
I don't have a S21 Ultra or iPhone 12 Pro Max but I do have a P40 Pro which I still thought was the best camera phone to date.
When I bought Mi 11 Ultra, I was about to return it because I couldn't be more disappointed by its camera performance after hearing how amazing this new sensor is. I was considering waiting for the P50 Pro even if it did not have Google app support as the camera is my main priority and I don't use it a lot of apps anyway.
However, it's been a month or two and even being on CN stable firmware the camera has improved massively and I no longer regret my decision. I took some sample shots on slightly older firmware but I'm still very pleased with the results and it can only keep improving given it's not even officially out still in some countries.
I'm now sitting on 12.5.7 and to give you a rough idea of all the updates I received on the CN model, I've gotten at least 5 updates to date. Most reviewers including MKBHD and MrWhosetheboss were still on early stock firmware that had no camera improvements and optimizations, while they compared it to the S21U and iPhone 12 Pro Max which were all well optimized by then.
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What improved in the camera?
Also what do you think about the selfies? Be it with front or back camera

m2]iceman said:
What improved in the camera?
Also what do you think about the selfies? Be it with front or back camera
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Everything improved across the board with one of the main updates that rolled out. Here's one which got the most attention that the majority of reviewers from what I've seen never got to test: https://min.news/en/tech/590f98d68b0fdbb259d5fd644b74d23c.html
There's been at least two more updates that were released after that one even they didn't mention camera improvements specifically. As for selfies, I don't take enough of them to say but I generally use the rear camera with the viewfinder for the best quality and it definitely delivers the results since the front one isn't great.

m2]iceman said:
Hi all,
I have not been on the forums for a looong time.
I am about to upgrade from my P20 pro and I am trying to decide between the iPhone 12 Pro max, Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra and Xiaomi Mi11 Ultra.
The problem with the iPhone for me is the display refresh rate, the fingerprint scanner and the OS. I prefer Android and I prefer 120Hz refresh rate.
I am leaning towards both android choices. However I have watched all reviews and comparisons I could between these phones on youtube and I have a few issues:
1. I think I did not see a single review with the latest Mi 11 Ultra firmware and the xiaomi.eu ROM. This is bugging me because I cannot see a comparison with the latest updates on the cameras.
2. From the videos I watched it seems the selfie camera on the Mi 11 Ultra is a real letdown. And the rear camera used to take selfies also seem to produce bad results.
Can anyone who has used both phones give an honest opinion please?
Or someone who is using the latest firmware explain the impact of the updates since the release of the phone?
Thank you!
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Just so you understand, the Xiaomi EU ROM is based on the Chinese stable or weekly beta ROMS. There are plenty of added extras on this against any of the stock versions but the EU Devs don't write any apps, just apply their template to the relevant release. So whatever the status is of the equivalent Chinese stock ROM will be the same version on the EU ROM.
I came from Huawei too, my last being the P40Pro Plus and my first Xiaomi was the 10 Ultra and I was very pleased and that continues with the 11 Ultra. I have used stock Chinese and Global ROMs with the 11 Ultra and just love the EU version. I use the weekly branch and have had no issues at all. It is a very good all round phone and matches if not surpasses the Huawei. I had to give in me due to the lack of GMS and locked bootloaders. It was such a shame when they went down that road. Thankfully Xiaomi don't mind if you unlock but do make you wait 7 days to complete the process but once unlocked, you can swap to any stock or custom ROMs you want. Telegram has groups making camera mods and of course you can use a g-cam variant too but for me stock EU camera is pretty dam good. Multicam, super moon, slow-mo, time lapse and more.
There are a few camera comparisons against the iPhone 12 about and I think the 11 Ultra is as good or not better in some but really it's down to Android verses Apple. Make the choice that suits but I think as a user's phone, the 11 Ultra is the better choice against a phone you can never tweak with Apples.

Buy Mi11 Ultra
Things like 67W charging, IR blaster, rear display, amazing camera trick features, you won't find this on any iPhone or Samsung, the customization on Xiaomi is unrivalled, nothing else comes close.
I switched from Note 20 Ultra to Mi11 Ultra and I am never going back to Samsung.
Also, the fingerprint sensor on Samsung Note 20 Ultra was terrible, the fingerprint on my Xiaomi Mi11 Ultra works literally every single time, it has not failed once. And I love the super wallpapers so much

This is an incredibly hard question to answer. Nobody can answer you objectively.
I have always had 2 phones - an android and an iPhone. I've only recently got the 11Ultra, coming from a Note 20. I also have a 12 Pro Max.
The mi is incredibly smooth - far more so than the iPhone. But I hated the Chinese underpinnings which you could never quite get rid of. Moving to the EU ROM today has sorted that.
What of the cameras? I'm still testing. I only started with my mi on 12.5.4 and then 12.5.7 so I missed the early firmware. They've always been very good. But so is the iPhone. The iPhone is also incredibly consistent in so many situations. The mi is phenomenal in good light - I just haven't yet been able to test it much in poor light yet, although I'm pleased with the initial results, I have to say.

The fast charging sealed the deal for me
The cooling is also better so it gets consistently higher scores from the SD 888 without throttling it down 10-20%
I would agree someone needs to do another test on YouTube when the phone and rear display has been optimized and fully functional
All the tests were done on pre release software vs optimized s21u and iPhone which was hardly fair

Honestly, apart from the design, this Xiami 11 Ultra is the best of the best (I only prefer Samsung for the phone design, but I like the Xiami too). It has a lot of potential and is blazing fast. Also the display is astonishing, and speaker quality incredible. I would recommend this phone to everyone.

m2]iceman said:
Hi all,
I have not been on the forums for a looong time.
I am about to upgrade from my P20 pro and I am trying to decide between the iPhone 12 Pro max, Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra and Xiaomi Mi11 Ultra.
The problem with the iPhone for me is the display refresh rate, the fingerprint scanner and the OS. I prefer Android and I prefer 120Hz refresh rate.
I am leaning towards both android choices. However I have watched all reviews and comparisons I could between these phones on youtube and I have a few issues:
1. I think I did not see a single review with the latest Mi 11 Ultra firmware and the xiaomi.eu ROM. This is bugging me because I cannot see a comparison with the latest updates on the cameras.
2. From the videos I watched it seems the selfie camera on the Mi 11 Ultra is a real letdown. And the rear camera used to take selfies also seem to produce bad results.
Can anyone who has used both phones give an honest opinion please?
Or someone who is using the latest firmware explain the impact of the updates since the release of the phone?
Thank you!
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This youtuber comparing with Miui 12.5.4

Question Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U

With the S23U released, has any of you seen a comparison between this and the pro+?
I am currently on the verge of importing an origin vivo in spite of the concerns voiced on this forum. At the end of the day, I want the best camera phone on the market and seems it's down to this and the S23U.
Samsung seems to have taken a different route to reducing noise in low light with that crazy 200mpx/pixel binning but got a feeling the bigger sensor will win. It seems to be a big improvement over the S22U though, and the highlight retainment/hdr in low light seems improved too. Question is how much better the Vivo is and whether it's worth the hassle of getting origin and the issues that come with it.
Has anyone of you had first hand experience with these 2 phones or seen reviews comparing the two? Perhaps it's too early days

Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.

If you lucky there will be some review of the X90 Pro with comparison to S23U in english. You can hope for some Chinese reviews but even in China the X90 Pro+ is not that popular - there will be much more comparisons with Xiaomi 13 Pro.
It's rare that chinese only phones will be reviewed by quality review websites like notebookcheck or gsmarena. Though a review of the X90 Pro is quite likely after the huge advertisement campaign by Vivo and expensive laucnh events... Europe and US are not that likely to feature big events however with the Nokia vs BBK copyright claims. Something strangely rarely mentioned here.
Better battery life is clearly Samsung - many users reporting 10h Dot even on 4G/5G Data. Unherd of for X90 Pro+ (maybe X90 and X90 Pro could get close - they have much better idle drain/battery life).
Price in Europe is definitely in favour of S23U - which sells for 1169 for the 512GB version with warranty, with update policy that will end in 5 years not maybe in 2 years (older Vivo flagships X flagships - only the Funtouch X versions have 3 major updates promised and updates are already running late - no January securiy patch for X90 Pro+ even on trial channel). Yeah no charger but any PD charger works full speed, vs 18w on X90 Pro+.
It's too early to call out the cameras - I feel both aren't top. But Samsung bags Video easily and over 10x zoom. Vivo will likely win 3.5-9x zoom range.
Gorilla Glas Victus 2 vs unknown (likely Schott)
Bootloader Unlock/Root and after updates are over in 5 years likely Lineage OS and others to continue vs crippled software.
Accessibiltiy to Samsung shops for battery replacement in 2-3 years of time - vs unlikely to be able to get any authentic new batteries for the X90 Pro+ outside of China (and looking at the reports on here on older Vivo phones - batteries don't seem to age very well on Vivo flagships)
Android Backup/Auto/Assistant/Maps Timeline and maybe in future more (this list got bigger every 2 years)
The only points that clearly speak vor Vivo are the fingerprint reader and yeah I personally prefer the design too on the Vivo. Though I don't know how well the Vegan leather ages. Some conflicting reports here. And yeah fast charging on original charger with original cable (missing either means slower than Samsung)
Display is identical, processor mainly just a newer batch (but that means lower voltages in general)
Front Camera goes Samsung all the way. Vivo has a midtier phone grade front camera and only 1080P video on the front camera as the sensor does not support 4K/UHD (1440P woudl be possible by third party apps - but none offers that yet. The sensor does support it).
I feel v2 is a joke - seeing that I mainly use Gcam (which cannot use the v2 chip). 8gen2 ISP would be sufficient as I don't see what the v2 brings at all.
Both have much worse colours than Pixel/Iphone in my opinion. Both show great detail at night but that isn't everything. Both have big shutter lag but Samsung at least got the autofocus right (on all cameras and not missing on 2 out of 5) and the autofocus working accurately (while that is not true for the main sensor on Vivo).
Yeah portrait may be better on Vivo 2x camera - but ONLY for typical upper body portrait. If you do full body portrait with the body at 2/3 of the picture size or less - the 2x sensor without autofocus isn't very sharp anymore. Falling back to main sensor is not possible in portrait mode on the Vivo stock camera...
Vivo X90 Pro+ only has Qualcom Fastconnect 6900 vs 7800 on the S23u (meaning no wifi-7, maybe not even wifi-6e, so far no one could confirm it to work! and missing the newest bluetooth LE additions)
S23U got Qualcom X70 modem - unsure what Vivo uses (either botched firmware on X70 or is it x65 or is it a chinese modem?)
Software in general is miles better on Samsung and less buggy. Yeah Vivo is fluid but Samsung too.
I much rather trust Samsung to fix the software deficiencies it has (mainly on camera - everything else seams great) vs Vivo (which has many many fields to catch up - and some like anything google related will not improve except google goes back on offering full support for it's app that aren't system apps. However with EU/USA and so on pressuring google to allow manufacturers to supply phones without google apps as system apps, that strategy will likely widen in future - as it's an indirect pressure point to include maps, assistant and so on as system app - which is impossible for Chinese market phones if China doesn't allow google which is highly unlikely in the next years).
The 2x sensor on the Vivo would be useless if the 1x sensor had variable aperture (because the 2x sensor has only bokeeh that speaks for it, low light/resolution/autofocus and basically everything else are worse vs a crop from the main)
The case on the x90 is a nice plus, but I don't trust cases without air cushion and camera protection - so I don't really see the use for it. If you feel safe enough with that tiny case - you should feel safe enough without any case.
Gcam support will be much better on S23U as there will surely be nice profiles for color/noise while on X90 Pro+ you are left with dubious colours at night on gcams.
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root - some issures would be fixable (like google apps) and if lucky once Vivo stops updates there could be some Lineage OS support. Vivo that way kinda steels the only way for long term life of that phone.

Oh yeah - when it comes to Camera2 API (according to Proshoot Evaluator) - Vivos advantage is HEIC, Samsungs advantage is vendor extensions of bokeeh, HDR, beauty mode and night mode vs none on the x90 pro+.
And sadly on camera2 api 1440P video isn't offered so it's only 1080P30 vs 4k24/30 on the Samsung....
Vivo has 4k video on the 3.5x via camera2while Samsung only has 1080P30 on both zoom lenses.
Both don't have 4k60P on camera2 !
Both only offer pixel binned resolutions via camera2api so are both quite restricted.

Kenshin1870 said:
Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.
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Have you had any autofocus issues as pointed out in the response above?

vendetta17 said:
Every single member of vivo x90 pro plus xda knows you are trolling . You are stating ' issues' that all the phone holders told you they dont exist . Starting with battery , going to camera , than from internal modems to OS related issues that ONLY you reported out of at least 10 holders here . Those are the real facts . You would normally be banned right now from other forums . Respect to the xda admins for being that patient with you .
And by the way , if you write extremely long texts speaking nonsense ... You dont bring any value at all . At first every single point you got about this phone its negative . Criticism would not be a problem as long as its constructive and positive but the main problem its lying . And you did this several times here .
Who's old here knows you are trolling . Who's new here definately notices immediately that you live on a different planet than earth .
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So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?

Bl unlock doesn't mean anything about update frequency. But with official unlock (not unlock via Potential security bug) most popular phones will have a custom ROM community providing updates for a long time, while with without you are at mercy of the manufacturer. Just look up the update threads about older flagships like 50pro+ or 70pro+ to see how likely updates are on 90pro+. Does not look good to me.. . Vivo's update policy is only for international market. Right now X90 even with trial version is stuck on December security patches. S23U will receive February patches on 17 February (it's not officially available until then - strange release by Samsung this time)
I proved all my facts somewhere here before with screenshots or sources (or Link to fast connect 7800 at Qualcomm which states WiFi 7 compatibility which isn't advertised for X90 pro+. Not even WiFi 6e (though it could be possible it's supported but just not advertised in specs).
I reported vendetta17 now for breaking points 2.3 and 2.4 of the forum rules. He accuses me of lying without being able to prove a single lie.
And I posted positive points, quite a lot. This is one of the best cameras on a smartphone. I think even better than place 10 as dxomark indicates as their protocol doesn't value secondary lenses much. I see it as top 6 or 7 right now even for point and shoot. If you shoot RAW only and need huge prints then it's even the best (but I feel apple workflow with RAW is much easier, also s23U has better workflow with RAW as Lightroom comes already pre-installed but quality wise X90 Pro+ is better). Seeing basically very little mention of RAW and super RAW in relation to the X90 pro+ makes me feel professional photographers avoid Vivo phones no matter how much Vivo touts professional photography at it's press releases. Samsung or apple or google forums on the contrary are full with questions or remarks on RAW and comparisons to the jpg output.
If the X90 pro+ would be half price of s23U, iphone 14 pro max then I would praise it too. If it was even just the price of Pixel 7 pro and would have the same update policy I would recommend it all out. At current prices without any update policy and seeing that x50 Pro+ basically stopped getting updates after 2.5 years, and other Vivo x series being neglected after only a year I don't see it recommendable. It was the first phone with 8gen2 and vivo paid for that exclusive right to Qualcomm. It's not comparable to mate 20 pro or p30 Pro which were albeit slower updates great phones and aged well at cheaper price than other flagships back then. Yes right on hardware it looks great, just like s23U too, but not software.....

Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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You cant unlock bootloader yet .
Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .

vendetta17 said:
You cant unlock bootloader yet .
No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .
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What version are you on then ? I know only of 3 updates... (not counting the last trial version)...

13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.

jericho246 said:
13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.
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Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...

Vinzie said:
Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...
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I got it earlier today in official update channel. Not trial.

BTW - eSim is also missing from the X90 Pro+, S23U has dual physical SIM plus 1 Esim support. Dual Active, Tripple Standby. There is no dual e-sim on the S23U however so far (unlike Pixel 7 which now has dual e-sim plus 1 physical SIM. Not sure if tripple standby is supported by Pixel however).
Only Xiaomi 13 Pro so far has Wifi-7 (though not yet enabled because it's draft). X70 modem phones maybe in the future could get wifi 7 enabled - but if the X90 Pro+ has no Wifi-6e - then it's very unlikely it has X70 modem after all.

extremecarver said:
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root
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Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.

Iluminatus23 said:
Extremecaver has to much time....
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Please explain how a person can "much" time...
if you believe Extremecaver has to do that.
It's TOO much time!

Well it's assumed to be the same process as on any other Samsung phone. Root is not the same as unlock! On my S7 and S8+ this was very easy. Root can be trouble with banking apps and so on. Bootloader unlock was super easy (yeah you void warranty on Samsung by rooting because of the e-fuse it will be forever but unlike Vivo no need for all that to get google apps fully working)

djshotty said:
Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.
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Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system

P6P said:
Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system
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Well it's much better than outright not offering bootloader unlock. I find it's a great system - brick your phone by software - Samsung isn't responsible anymore. I'm pretty sure if the phone still boots but doesn't charge anymore or camera dropout Knox will not be important - but I do not know for sure.
The other way but that is more complicated to remove warranty for rooted devices would be to simply hand out unlock codes in your device account and giving you a warning about losing warranty that way.
I find it's understandable manufacturers do not like to warranty rooted/unlocked devices due to the high chance of someone bricking their device in the process. It's giving the user a choice (and after 1 or 2 years depending on the manufacturer it's end of warranty anyhow).

Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
If you want to judge vivo's dedication to the western market you just need to follow a phones announcement.
Website with a countdown that ran until 0:00:00, then nothing happened. Website still displays NaN-Timer and there has been absolute silence from vivo on when the global version is available and how much it will cost.

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Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
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Didn't know about vivo has a efuse or check system. But when it's really there its also crap.