I'm thinking of rooting my HTC First, but only if I can preserve everything on the phone. Is is possible to root without loosing your data (like on motorola phones)? I would like to use the firewall that comes with avast, but I have no other use for root, so it isn't worth it if I loose everything on the phone, and therefore I won't do it. Also I don't need an unlocked bootloader, but I won't complain if I end up with one, so long as I don't loose data.
To root, you have to unlock the bootloader. When you do that, yes, it wipes the system.
Thanks for that info; I'll forget about root then. Consider this solved, because I actually found a program called "NoRoot Firewall" in the play store with no weird permissions or ads, and it works as advertised. Also only about 300kb and a non-obtrusive interface.
Hey guys,
So before I go ahead an attempt to unlock my bootloader and root my phone, just wanted to clear a couple of things up first.
This is my first Huawei device, previous one was a Sony, so I'm a little unfamiliar with a few things.
1. Is unlocking the bootloader required for root? If not, could someone point me in the direction of a guide to root only?
On the Sony, as long as I had a compatible firmware, I could root without unlocking the bootloader.
2. Will I lose any DRM Keys, proprietary features (Force Touch, Themes etc) through unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting? If so, can these be restored afterwards, while retaining root?
Again, with the Sony, unlocking the bootloader would result in losing DRM Keys related to visual enhancements, and were required to be backed up (via TABackup) prior to unlocking the bootloader. These could then be restored after root, and function as normal.
3. If you do lose features, and they can't be restored while keeping root. If I flash a stock ROM back on, losing root in the process, will these features also be restored?
Thanks
djyoshii said:
Hey guys,
So before I go ahead an attempt to unlock my bootloader and root my phone, just wanted to clear a couple of things up first.
This is my first Huawei device, previous one was a Sony, so I'm a little unfamiliar with a few things.
1. Is unlocking the bootloader required for root? If not, could someone point me in the direction of a guide to root only?
On the Sony, as long as I had a compatible firmware, I could root without unlocking the bootloader.
2. Will I lose any DRM Keys, proprietary features (Force Touch, Themes etc) through unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting? If so, can these be restored afterwards, while retaining root?
Again, with the Sony, unlocking the bootloader would result in losing DRM Keys related to visual enhancements, and were required to be backed up (via TABackup) prior to unlocking the bootloader. These could then be restored after root, and function as normal.
3. If you do lose features, and they can't be restored while keeping root. If I flash a stock ROM back on, losing root in the process, will these features also be restored?
Thanks
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1) I used the SRK Tool (http://forum.xda-developers.com/p9-plus/development/tool-srk-tool-huawei-bootloader-root-t3405999) and it showed step by step on rooting. Unlocking bootloader seems to be one of the steps before rooting. Maybe you can ask somboons about it.
2) For me, unlocking the bootloader basically resets my phone. And added a warning just before the phone bootup to android (from cold state or off state) that the bootloader has been unlocked and the phone is not trusted now. Just need to restore the apps and other data through the HiSuite backups after unlocking and rooting seems to be fine. Not sure about DRM keys, and others as didn't try those out before doing bootloader unlock. But I did lost my remote set up as it was not part of the HiSuite's data backup.
3) Do a backup with HiSuite should be able to help you. Just need to identify in the HiSuite that the apps and their data is being backed up.
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1) I used the SRK Tool (http://forum.xda-developers.com/p9-plus/development/tool-srk-tool-huawei-bootloader-root-t3405999) and it showed step by step on rooting. Unlocking bootloader seems to be one of the steps before rooting. Maybe you can ask somboons about it.
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Thanks mate, I did have a look at that thread as well, and another (less detailed) post. Was just wanting to confirm if there was any other method without need for bootloader unlocking. Figure the less things to modify, the less chance of something going wrong, which has worked well for me so far.
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2) For me, unlocking the bootloader basically resets my phone. And added a warning just before the phone bootup to android (from cold state or off state) that the bootloader has been unlocked and the phone is not trusted now. Just need to restore the apps and other data through the HiSuite backups after unlocking and rooting seems to be fine. Not sure about DRM keys, and others as didn't try those out before doing bootloader unlock. But I did lost my remote set up as it was not part of the HiSuite's data backup.
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Any way to remove that message while retaining root? Sounds similar to the 'yellow triangle' back when I had an S2, but that was able to be removed, is this the same?
Not too worried about backing up apps & data at the moment, I haven't fully set up my phone as I realised it would most likely be lost upon rooting. But thanks for the heads up!
prismfire said:
3) Do a backup with HiSuite should be able to help you. Just need to identify in the HiSuite that the apps and their data is being backed up.
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Sorry I was more thinking along the lines of, if any P9+ exclusive features were to be lost during root, could they easily be restored simply by flashing a stock ROM again? Apps & app data seem to be easy enough to restore via HiSuite/Titanium etc
djyoshii said:
Thanks mate, I did have a look at that thread as well, and another (less detailed) post. Was just wanting to confirm if there was any other method without need for bootloader unlocking. Figure the less things to modify, the less chance of something going wrong, which has worked well for me so far.
Any way to remove that message while retaining root? Sounds similar to the 'yellow triangle' back when I had an S2, but that was able to be removed, is this the same?
Not too worried about backing up apps & data at the moment, I haven't fully set up my phone as I realised it would most likely be lost upon rooting. But thanks for the heads up!
Sorry I was more thinking along the lines of, if any P9+ exclusive features were to be lost during root, could they easily be restored simply by flashing a stock ROM again? Apps & app data seem to be easy enough to restore via HiSuite/Titanium etc
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The orange colored message i read from somewhere that it's Android security implementation standard or something. There's red message also which renders the whole phone can not boot in unless being reset.
In terms of the exclusive apps, not that I know of. Checked with my friend who kept her device as it is, without all the unlock and rooting, and compare with my device which went through and upgrade, unlock and a rooting process - no missing apps noticed.
Thanks guys
prismfire said:
The orange colored message i read from somewhere that it's Android security implementation standard or something. There's red message also which renders the whole phone can not boot in unless being reset.
In terms of the exclusive apps, not that I know of. Checked with my friend who kept her device as it is, without all the unlock and rooting, and compare with my device which went through and upgrade, unlock and a rooting process - no missing apps noticed.
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I read ur conversation and I have been wondering if it's safe so thank you. But I still have 1 question "if I change my oem can I still use my 2 sims"?
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The orange colored message i read from somewhere that it's Android security implementation standard or something. There's red message also which renders the whole phone can not boot in unless being reset.
In terms of the exclusive apps, not that I know of. Checked with my friend who kept her device as it is, without all the unlock and rooting, and compare with my device which went through and upgrade, unlock and a rooting process - no missing apps noticed.
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So i've successfully rooted the phone, and yeah I get that 'your device has been unlocked and isn't safe' message on boot. It's not too much of a bother, besides being unsightly, but I don't really reboot my phone too often anyway.
I haven't noticed anything missing either, a few minor bugs have started to appear, but that might have to do with Xposed (I would guess).
Thanks for the advice & help!
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I read ur conversation and I have been wondering if it's safe so thank you. But I still have 1 question "if I change my oem can I still use my 2 sims"?
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Dear Abdo2,
I'm not knowledgeable about the term oem here.
But if it is an issue of dual sim usage, I presume it's built into the ROM? What I know is all P9+ are hybrid dual sim, so it should be part of the ROM that you have.
I'm using VIE-L29C636B170. And it have the dual sim support in-built...although I've not used it yet.
See if anyone knowledgeable to your question passing by here can answer you. If not, maybe you can try the question & answer thread. Or post as another new thread if really no one got your question.
Regards.
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djyoshii said:
So i've successfully rooted the phone, and yeah I get that 'your device has been unlocked and isn't safe' message on boot. It's not too much of a bother, besides being unsightly, but I don't really reboot my phone too often anyway.
I haven't noticed anything missing either, a few minor bugs have started to appear, but that might have to do with Xposed (I would guess).
Thanks for the advice & help!
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Dear djyoshii,
Good to know.
About the security message, one of it is mentioned here:
https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.html
For minor bugs, I'm not sure what you have. I've 3 games and 1 app that behaves not like when I used my previous phone (on Android 5.0). That's around 3-5% of all the apps that I used (meaning, majority works fine). Of those some of them related to Android 6.0 issue (actually the apps not updated for the Android version well). So, for me generally I would think it's marshmallow thing.
Regards.
Hi,
long time htc user (always totally unlocked) but looking to get a p9 plus for my wife (this is the important part).
can someone give me a simple answer...
if i only root the phone (for titanium backup mainly and maybe some cosmetic mods) will i be able to unroot it and return it under warranty?
phones here in Dubai are all unbranded so no problems there.
I have no need to unlock bootloader (yet )
gazzacbr said:
Hi,
long time htc user (always totally unlocked) but looking to get a p9 plus for my wife (this is the important part).
can someone give me a simple answer...
if i only root the phone (for titanium backup mainly and maybe some cosmetic mods) will i be able to unroot it and return it under warranty?
phones here in Dubai are all unbranded so no problems there.
I have no need to unlock bootloader (yet )
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Dear gazzacbr,
From what I tried (been a while since I last did this), one will have to unlock the bootloader first before rooting. Apparently rooting is the last step of the whole process (if you are using the SRK tools). Now, to go back to the status of unrooted, I just use the superSU's total unroot option to unroot. And to go further back to bootloader, there is an option within SRK tool but my last attempt failed to relock the bootloader back. Didn't spend so much time to play around with the unlocking the bootloader after that. So, I just use as is - unlocked bootloader with no root.
One thing you need to note, for titanium backup, I end up just using their own desktop application called HiSuite. It does backup app and app data for you. Not system apps' data though. For theme customisation, MIUI do have a friendly Themer app that you can use to change the look. The corresponding theme files (*.hwt) are zipped, so you can always use 7zip to open and edit the assets inside to the one that you want.
Ok, thanks for the good info @prismfire. As long as it could be rooted sometime later then thats fine. Will pick up one this weekend.
Am going to be jealous though as I guess it's a step up from my 'old' M8
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I've seen this in a few places now - is rooting - or having a rooted - Huawei phone more dangerous than any other kind? Are they easier to brick? If so, why?
Nope. Just as dangerous as any other device. The problem cones from using 3rdvparty software to do such things rather than just doing it yourself. The only difference is that you need to generate a device specific code from Huawei. Nothing big. Risks are imposed when doing anything outside of stock stuff but those issues are usually consequence of user error
I think it's said primarily for two reasons. First there's no TWRP, so recovering back to stock is more complicated and involves, at minimum, being able to get back to Fastboot. Second, people tend to freeze or uninstall system apps that they don't understand. Huawei, reputationally, can brick if you freeze the wrong system app. Personally, I haven't experienced that, and have frozen (as opposed to uninstalled) a bunch, but I admit that I'm proceeding more cautiously.
Also, some of the earlier warnings were before @mankindtw's rooting method -- before then the only available root cost you your AI and your themes (although the latter could be reloaded with some complexity). That's no longer the case -- the Magisk root doesn't delete/affect either. Nor, if you install the zip in his OP, does it blow up SafetyNet (although xPosed always will).
Hi, do you mind posting which zip file you flashed? Do you have the mate 10 pro version? Will bank apps after rooting still work?
mefistofelis said:
Hi, do you mind posting which zip file you flashed? Do you have the mate 10 pro version? Will bank apps after rooting still work?
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If they need to pass safety net you need to use Magisk, use the one in here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/how-to/guide-mate-10-flash-oreo-update-package-t3716814
Hello to everyone reading this, wish you all the best in the New Year.. Now let's get to the problem I have.. I'm using Brave as my browser and I am sure most of you are familiar with Brave Ads, well they don't work on my phone.. While duckduckgo-ing through I stumbled on possible reason why it may not work, the said reason was unlocked bootloader.. It was suggested to download SafetyNet test and check if everything is as it should be. To my surprise my bootloader was unlocked (I double checked via developer options since Xiaomi offers information on that there as well) but the issue is I never flashed any ROM or Firmware nor anything similar, it's stock as it can be from the store.. Now that I elaborated the best I can (Since my native language is not English) I need to ask 3 questions as stupid as the may sound.
1. Is it possible that bootloader unlocked by itself or some shady app?
2. Does that lock icon below front camera unlocks bootloader by tapping when you turn on the phone? (Since it was locked before and now its not)
3. Is there a way I can lock it without using PC and adb tools?
Thank you for your answers and time, much appreciated!
PS: I would add pictures if needed but since I didn't tamper with the phone nor change anything in developer options I doubt it's of any help.
To lock the bootloader in mi you need to flash the stock rom and if you only need to pass the safety net checks install magisk canary and it's not actually possible to unlock an mi device without the authentication of Xiaomi so it can not unlock by itself as far as I know. Are you totally sure you or someone in your family or friends didn't unlock the bootloader because if not this may be a dangerous exploit used by a shady app and should be reported to Xiaomi now.
Not a single soul have a access to my phone, and if they did they sure as hell don't know hot to flash custom roms or unlock bootloader.. So it might be some shady app.. But how would I check and see if that is true?
PS: And about magisk canary I don't see it in google play store, but I suppose that is apk for rooted phones? The issue is my phone is not rooted if that is the case.
Hello,
I would like to list the consequences of the changes when installing a custom rom on the redmi note 11 (spes/n).
In your opinion, what causes the following changes on our phone
This is some responses I can give after testing myself
1/ Unlock bootloader
Erase all your data
The unlock icon appears on the top of starting logo
2/ Install custom Recovery
Nothing have happened
3/ Install custom Rom (for me Evolution X)
First install : You will have to erase all your data
Upgrade : Nothing should happen
4/ Root
Maybe Unauthorizing Bank apk ?
Hi Darkspirit66,
Whilst I am not at the Custom Rom'ing stages yet with this phone, too new for me to tinker with this one... I'll just have to settle with me other phones for messing around with for now...
However I am glad you've raised these points. Whilst I've asked this before in another thread, its good to have clear answers...
Whilst most of the earlier questions, I kinda of expected. Some kind of message/logo at booting stage to announce it's unlocked/modified. I believe this is standard in pretty much all phones, one way or another.
Unlocking Bootloader/Flashing, again.... erasing of the data is standard practice again.
The bit that most concerns me... Is there any tell tale signs of after unlocking/rooting....? I've come from a mainly Samsung background. In the early phones, you simply ran "TriangleAway" and bob's ya uncle... no one is any of the wiser. Under new models, once ya trip the ole Knox, there's no going back. Permanent visible sign of tinkering, and security and bank apps will never work again without tricks.
So, if one was to unlock the Bootloader, root, rom and then change their mind and go back to stock. Will all the banking apps continue to work, or does it alter it for good....? I believe once unlocked and with custom recovery, its best to flash stock with TWRP as you get to keep the unlock but can flash stock and custom as much as you like without any triggers...??
Cheers, Lister
darkspirit66 said:
Hello,
I would like to list the consequences of the changes when installing a custom rom on the redmi note 11 (spes/n).
In your opinion, what causes the following changes on our phone
This is some responses I can give after testing myself
1/ Unlock bootloader
Erase all your data
The unlock icon appears on the top of starting logo
2/ Install custom Recovery
Nothing have happened
3/ Install custom Rom (for me Evolution X)
First install : You will have to erase all your data
Upgrade : Nothing should happen
4/ Root
Maybe Unauthorizing Bank apk ?
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Hi LOS
Rooting the phone results in the problem with banking applications.
If you decide to unroot (it's possible) and reinstall a stock rom the apks should work again. (To confirm)
darkspirit66 said:
Hi LOS
Rooting the phone results in the problem with banking applications.
If you decide to unroot (it's possible) and reinstall a stock rom the apks should work again. (To confirm)
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You can always hide root with magisk and keep your phone rooted also with banking apps ;-)