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You're all no doubt absolutely delighted that you get the first review I'm writing of the Vulcan FlipStart V1.0! For those of you who aren't aware of this little device, it originated with the (often called "vapourware" MiniPC of 2004, demonstrated by Paul Allen). The concept has been refined massively, and is now on sale in the US for $1999 with the following specification:
Pentium M @ 1.1GHz
512MB RAM (not expandable)
Intel 915 graphics; 64MB Unified Memory Architecture
30GB HD (having spoken to the designers, at present this is all that will fit)
5.6" screen at 1024 x 600 pixel (220dpi) resolution
Webcam (VGA, I suspect)
Keyboard, trackpad and touchpoint
802.11b/g WiFi
Bluetooth 2.0
EV-DO cellular data connection
Windows XP Professional SP2
Additional features include media keys and an InfoPane; a secondary display of cellphone-like quality on the rear of the clamshell case which displays email, contacts, appointments etc. without opening the PC.
As shipped, the device comes with a large capacity battery, port replicator (providing Ethernet, Power, USB x 2, VGA and audio), small carry case and a screen wipe, plus the PSU to charge it.
Optional accessories are the slimline battery, a high-end leather case, chargers, and potentially high resolution camera or other devices connecting to a top-mounted expansion port (looks like it is USB but not a USB connector, just wire pads ready for devices using USB protocols).
It's really very hard to describe JUST how small this computer is. Most UMPCs are 7" screen, tablet or sliding tablet devices. Flipstart is a clamshell, and a very rugged feeling one at that. Finished in a fetching dark blue metallic with the distinctive InfoPane and slding metal "FlipStart" cover plate, the closed device is comparable to HTC's Athena, perhaps 3% or so larger. It can be slipped into the back pocket of your jeans with the slimline battery fitted, for example.
Opening the FlipStart reveals a thumb-type keyboard of moderate quality and good spacing; it has a backlight which is pleasant and even, and some handy quick access keys to zoom the screen, open the FlipStart navigator application, control media, and access the task manager. The shift keys are curiously large - you are expected to use your thumbs to type, and by placing the keys accurately and providing a large target, shifting with one hand whilst typing with the other is comfortable. Takes a while to adjust to this method, but it works very well.
Above the keyboard, from left to right, are two mouse buttons, a cursor pad with Page up/down, home and End functions, power keys, a small trackpad and a thumbstick-type device. The trackpad even has software to enable or disable tapping and tapzones, something woefully lacking on many fullsize laptops that assume you WANT to tap; pleasantly, this one has the right balance so tapping works without being obtrusive. The thumbstick device is very quick and convenient, but using the two as appropriate makes this a snappy PC to get around.
Of course, a touchscreen would be better, and when using the device with the Ameo the instinct to grab the stylus and tap the XP screen was very strong. A touchscreen would add depth and reduce the clarity of the insanely high resolution display, however.
Being in the UK, I am unable to test the EV-DO function, but the WiFi and Bluetooth work well - connecting "on the road" was painlessly accomplished via Bluetooth PAN and the Ameo on T-Mobile's 3G network.
Being a fully functional PC it runs PC applications. I've yet to find anything it can't handle, with the obvious caveat that I am applying common sense here and not trying stupid games, or HD video editing suites, or high-end desktop image editing applications.
Oh...
Wait, I did try that last one. It's running Photoshop CS3 adequately; let's say, CS3 on this is snappier (and obviously more capable and vastly more expensive) than Pocket Artist. Lightroom also runs well enough to use despite the FlipStart's display being relatively low pixel resolution for Adobe's recommendations. I'm tempted to try InDesign on it purely for the amusement of doing DTP on a pocket-sized computer - I have little doubt that it will be possible. The LCD's viewing angle is very critical in terms of tilt, but when you get it right the colour and evenness of the backlight is impressive; I wouldn't trust it for critical colour work, but it's certainly alright for previewing and basic adjustments or editing.
Quake 3 was included as a demo and at the default 640 x 480 resolution, was quite playable with an external keyboard/mouse combination.
All this CPU power comes with a cost, of course. Heat and power drain. The FlipStart features a little visible vent alongside the port replicator, and frankly, you'll love it if you ever get stuck in the frozen North with one; it's pretty warm! The fan is louder and more insistent than the dual fans in my XPS M2010 - which is really logical, given the large airspace available in the Dell. FlipStart's CPU is amongst the better ones you'll find in a "UMPC" device, most of the Origami/tablet type units sporting Geode or VIA CPUs. Sony's UX-series has more MHZ, but is larger and costs more.
Battery life is around 3-6 hours with the bulkier "extended" (actually standard) battery, and a mere one and a half hours with the slimline battery. Charging is via a small and delicate looking jackplug - given the amount of charging this device needs, I'd like to have seen a contact-based charging solution like a dock. No provision is made for this, the port replicator clips on and isn't significantly better in terms of wear and tear - plus, you'll want it with you to have access to the 2 flat USB ports. The standard USB port is under the hinge for the display, and bulkier items like memory sticks may not fit.
Overall, the FlipStart is a surprisingly usable "marvel of the modern age" - not only does it convincingly demonstrate just HOW much power you can cram into a small package, but outside of that demonstration, you can run serious applications on it. With remote desktop for the fiddlier file management, or an external display and keyboard/mouse, it's a perfectly functional computer - and if you have good eyesight, the display might not be an issue for extended use. The robust physical design points at a device designed for real world use, instead of geektoy chic - and as such the flexibility of it makes it a lot 'cooler' than you'd initially expect. As the Ameo has demonstrated, there's an upper limit to the size of device that you want to carry about, and this really does stay within it where larger UMPCs may fall foul of the "never take it anywhere" problem that also held back the better Handheld PC machines.
And on that note, that's where this device sits, in my opinion. This is the 21st century "Handheld PC", whereas Origami in the purest form - the tablets - are more confused about their purpose. Are they computers, or just powerful media players?
Having seen the games performance of this, I can envisage devices like it in 3 or 4 years time for high-end mobile gaming, where keyboards are replaced by game controllers, and titles like Gears of War or World of Warcraft can be made truly portable with no loss of quality over their PC or high-end console counterparts. With a desktop OS, and a port replicator, they could even be used for real work. The question is, would the costs come down sufficiently if they sold in large numbers?
At a good $800 or so premium over the HTC Athena, itself one of the most expensive WM consumer devices around, you'll need a good use for it to justify owning it. In isolation, though, FlipStart comes VERY close to bringing true desktop computing power to the genuinely "pocket sized" device. And this is just version 1.0...
One of the nicest aspects of the FlipStart is the contining number of "surprise and delight" features. For example, the zoom key is inherently a bit clever, zooming the window you are looking at to fill the screen, but you can also quickly adjust the zoom level by holding the key and using the scroll wheel. Is this a standard UMPC-like feature? It's really neat! I've never used a screen so sharp and small, yet so comfortable to work on before.
(Pictures will follow eventually, but there are plenty around if you Google!).
I'll be honest, i haven't really looked for any alternate software very hard... but what i have found, is either incomplete, or does not have the feature set im looking for.
I was trying to take photos today, and i realized, Auto focus is great for objects at about 7in to infinity distance.
But what am i supposed to do for objects that may be closer? it seems to focus on everything around the object, and totally ignore the subject to be photographed.
Now I'm curious, is there an application that could allow you to manually focus the lens? I mean, it is an electromagnet... and is is controlled by software... and I've seen the auto focus bring the subject in to focus, then loose it... so it make sense that it should technically be able to do it, right?
if there is a software out there that allows the control of the electromagnet in the raph, any ideas?
-Wyefye
I know that on a digital camera when you take a photo ~7in or closer you use the macro feature. Im not sure what that entails but you could try starting from there.
there might be something wrong with your device. i just tested mine (brand new, not even 1 day old yet) and i can easily take pictures as close as 2inches away from the subject and they turn out extremely clear and sharp.
this is using the camera app that comes pre-installed on the phone
see the attached picture, it was taken approximately 2 inches away
the curvature of the lens on the camera make it impossible to focus on all 4 corners of the SD card at that distance, but as you can see the top edge is almost perfectly clear
I just "Warrantied" my Fuze. The new (to me as it is a re-furb) unit doesn't take sharp pictures any closer than about 6 inches. That is a pain as I am a big WorldCard Mobile user but cannot get decent resolution of business card shots any longer.
I think - based on what I hear as the camera is focusing - that there is some mechanical issue within the unit itself.
Don't know if this is any help to anyone, but I've noticed (although it's kinda like common sense, so I'm not going to act like I'm intellectual ) that when I take a picture with my phone close up, in macro mode, it only turns out clear when I'm pretty much straight on with whatever it is I'm taking a picture of. This of course has to do with the fact that when the camera needs to focus on an object, it needs to basically pick a spot that is one distance away from the camera. As you can see with the sd card picture, it focused on the top, so everything out of the distance range cannot be seen very well. We do have to remember though that these are extremely small smartphone cameras, and not dedicated digital cameras
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see the attached picture, it was taken approximately 2 inches away
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Verified. Stock HTC Touch no mods. See the pic.
anyone with this otherwise great device will be familiar that upon boot up and camera activation the lens automatically extends.
Sadly, in my case the lens has broken as a result of
1/apps that activate the camera programatically, pushing itsself out of its car cradle physically damaging the lens assembly
2/ Power on lens extension when held in hand like a phone, lens in palm of hand.
I emailed to samsung and suggested they use a proximity sensor ( very common on phones) mounted on the front of the device ( lens side) to check the path the lens will take during extension is clear, or possibly even using data from the focus beam. I suggested that If it cant extend safely then it should not, rather than risk damage to the motors inside the lens. Samsung could actually apply this to all their cameras.
I also suggested the default on power up should be to not activate the camera app, which extends the lens ( after all this is a hybrid device) it may be possible for devs to alter this behaviour ?
It also occurs to me that developers who make device specific apps for this device could win some serious respect if they used the accelerometer Z reading to ensure the camera wont activate when device is lens down/screen up avoiding the lens causing the phone to do pushups which also bends usb connectors.
I know this belongs in the development forums for this device but I can't access them due to having less that 10 posts. Hope someone can add it for me Many apps can activate the camera programatically, it's worthy of consideration as a lens fix costs $200.00 and is not covered by wararanty.
Better yet, if someone could discover a way to make it NOT startup in the camera app. Then the lens would only come out when I actually run the app.
I admire your enthusiasm for making these suggestions to Samsung but they will fall on deaf ears. The simple and certainly quickest solution is put an extra option in settings "Toggle camera on startup ON/OFF"
Done.
it gets worse
yep, that would solve the startup issue but any app can activate the camera programatically, meaning they can start the camera according to any variable, time, location, force etc.
Initial quote to repair was 150.00, but It also now appears the motherboard is damaged, since it is behind the lens, so now the cost to fix is $450.00, just a few dollars short of its replacement cost.
This device can damage its self without you having to touch it.
Pretty serious problem
That's a bit odd. The same thing happened to me more than once but there seems to be some sort of protection against damage as the lens of my camera goes back in after hitting an obstacle (they only need to monitor the current drawn by the zoom motor).
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paulikxp said:
That's a bit odd. The same thing happened to me more than once but there seems to be some sort of protection against damage as the lens of my camera goes back in after hitting an obstacle (they only need to monitor the current drawn by the zoom motor).
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Interesting, I'm sure that mine does not do that, the motor seems quite strong and pushed as hard as it can, perhaps they rectified it in later versions, I bought mine Christmas 2012 which I assume was the first "model " as such. I get the lens error, but it stays out, only returning when you power it off. funnily enough I'm pretty careful where and how i leave it positioned
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Please note and know that Joying (Joyous) units are MTCB-Units and therefore discussions made here also apply to any other MTCB-Units and vice versa.
You are requested to participate and create discussions and Q&A-Threads instead of clearing things here because there is no difference except slight modifications in hardware design and the outer optics.
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These all seem to be the same base model/design with the following options:
http://www.carjoying.com/2-din-car-gps-navigation/7-double-din-audio.html
JY-UQ124 = RK3188 Quad Core, 16 GB Flash, 1024*600 Screen
JY-UQ127 = RK3188 Quad Core, 16 GB Flash, 800*480 Screen
J-U1004 = RK3066 Dual Core, 8GB Flash, 1024*600 Screen.
J-U1011 = RK3066 Dual Core, 8GB Flash, 800*480 Screen.
They all have the same appearance. They have a 7" screen, with a single large knob (push for power), and a couple of buttons on the left side.
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Here are some internal images.
The board seems to be a different, possibly newer design than what is shown in the HuiFei thread for the KGL/KLD models. The board does not have any silk screen printing identifying the components and the board is in a slightly different layout it seems.
Here is how it identifies itself on the android about screen:
This is the unit I have been looking at as I like the buttons for no look usage. Do you think it is good to buy it now or wait until they figure out Lolipop?
I chose this unit because it
a) didn't waste space with a DVD Slot which I would never use (come on its 2015 already), and so it had a full 7" screen
b) it HAS at least a volume knob. I don't like the new designs with all touch screen and no actual knobs or buttons. I just could not imagine using a touch slider for volume of the radio in the car. yuck.
c) I was impressed that carjoying.com actually seems to support their customers pretty well after the sale(in a very broken engrish sort of way but they are trying), that they actually answer questions very quickly (experienced a 1 day response to a question about upgrading personally), that they have a website where they have updates posted etc..
d) The price was pretty good. I spent $262 for the best model specs you can get, they have pretty good prices and fast free shipping via DHL Express from china.
As far as waiting for Android 5.. I don't know if its a big deal. Even if they don't there are going to be millions of devices out there that will be running 4.x for years and years.
You could wait of course, because we all know something better always comes along, but I figured for $250 it was worth it even if I replaced it in a few years with something better.
So far I am very impressed with this unit and its speed and functionality. All the Android Head Units are very very similar, all almost all run the same software, and have the same ports on the back, etc... it mostly comes down to the front panel button layouts, if you want a dvd slot on the front etc.. But other than the button layouts, any unit with the quad core RK3188, the 1024x600 screen, and 16GB Flash storage onboard will all be nearly the same between them all.
So frankly, I don't think there is really THAT much technical difference between the various brands out there. To me it comes down to price, and if I like the physical design/button layout of the device. And carjoying is the only one that I have found that has this particular front panel layout that I personally thought was the best design.
nixfu said:
I chose this unit because it
a) didn't waste space with a DVD Slot which I would never use (come on its 2015 already), and so it had a full 7" screen
b) it HAS at least a volume knob. I don't like the new designs with all touch screen and no actual knobs or buttons. I just could not imagine using a touch slider for volume of the radio in the car. yuck.
c) I was impressed that carjoying.com actually seems to support their customers pretty well after the sale(in a very broken engrish sort of way but they are trying), that they actually answer questions very quickly (experienced a 1 day response to a question about upgrading personally), that they have a website where they have updates posted etc..
d) The price was pretty good. I spent $262 for the best model specs you can get, they have pretty good prices and fast free shipping via DHL Express from china.
As far as waiting for Android 5.. I don't know if its a big deal. Even if they don't there are going to be millions of devices out there that will be running 4.x for years and years.
You could wait of course, because we all know something better always comes along, but I figured for $250 it was worth it even if I replaced it in a few years with something better.
So far I am very impressed with this unit and its speed and functionality. All the Android Head Units are very very similar, all almost all run the same software, and have the same ports on the back, etc... it mostly comes down to the front panel button layouts, if you want a dvd slot on the front etc.. But other than the button layouts, any unit with the quad core RK3188, the 1024x600 screen, and 16GB Flash storage onboard will all be nearly the same between them all.
So frankly, I don't think there is really THAT much technical difference between the various brands out there. To me it comes down to price, and if I like the physical design/button layout of the device. And carjoying is the only one that I have found that has this particular front panel layout that I personally thought was the best design.
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All of your points on why you chose this unit is exactly what I am concluding in why it would be great unit to buy. This is after spending a crap load of time on Amazon, Alibaba, Google etc. Just trying to make head and tails of all these different HU takes about a week as they list a lot of the exact same units at different prices but from what you can tell in the item description they have the exact same specs. Your bottom line of cpu, screen and storage is pretty much the best specs out there with a sorta "name brand" in Joying behind them.
I am looking to put this in an 2000 Audi S4 that is coming from a stock HU. Do you have an recommendations on the install? I know that Metra has most of the stuff I will need but this is the list I have so far:
2 Din Audi Frame
Wire harness
Converter
and maybe a AM/FM amplifier.
How long does it take for the unit to boot up? Is is basically AOSP or is there some sort of launcher that comes with it? Can I run Nova with it?
Thanks again for any information you can give
since one week i'm the happy user of this fantastical unit. RK3188 Quad core , 1024 x 600, 16 GB
Not mounted in car, for this time, next week, but i have upgraded 2 times firmware thank's Joying for your customers following.
Ultra responsive screen, excellent light quality and resolution, very ergonomic usage. It's the better unit i've never had....
Only a little regret, the cap over the SD cards slot seem fragile made with cheap plastic... and it's the only place where i have problem for insert or extract cards because need using a sort of needle for this, too small place.
But without these little default, it's the perfect unit for me...
Continue to support your customers by regular upgrades ( Lollipop ? )
THANKS JOYING
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Here are some internal images.
The board seems to be a different, possibly newer design than what is shown in the HuiFei thread for the KGL/KLD models. The board does not have any silk screen printing identifying the components and the board is in a slightly different layout it seems.
Here is how it identifies itself on the android about screen:
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Interesting, is it in the future possible to update the cpu,memory and storage, if you take out the soc from the motherboard?
the cap over the SD cards slot seem fragile made with cheap plastic
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Yeah I have noticed the same thing. the door/cap is poorly designed. you kinda have to play with it to get it to close and go back flush again with the other buttons. I also that that is quite possibly my biggest issue so far with the unit.
I plan on just putting a 64GB SD card in there and leaving it, and transferring stuff via wifi onto it and never having to insert/remove it again. But, if you were planning on removing the microSD all the time I would guess it would not last very long before breaking.
If you want to do this sort of thing, I would recommend instead switching to a USB stick and plugging/unplugging it into one of the USB ports instead and leave the SD card(S) more or less permanently installed.
I did some power usage measurements on the bench today. I did the tests with a HP Agilent programmable power supply at 12V.
FULLY RUNNING: It uses about 1.2 Amps when it is fully up and running with bluetooth and wifi turned on.
SLEEPING: when the ACC power is turned off, it goes into a lower power mode and waits for the time (30sec-XXmins+) set in settings before fully shutting down. If the ACC is turned back on in that time, it comes instantly back on. In this state it pulls about 500 milliamps or so.
OFF: when fully off, it will draw about 4-5 milliamps from the battery which is quite low and makes me not worry about it draining the battery
I am just about ready to do the install into the vehicle. I did a few mods to the unit first.
Doing some testing on the bench proved that even though it seems to be a slightly different design, this unit also has the poor microphone audio quality of other HuiFei units when operating hands free bluetooth calling. There was quite a bit of noise/humming etc using the built in mic on the front panel. The external mic jack was a little better and had a little less noise but it still was not great. So I went ahead and did the mod everyone was doing to their HuiFei units to connect directly to the mic input on the bluetooth card.
On this unit, the board layout does not have a simple capacitor you can unsolder to disconnect it from the built in mic inputs. It seems to have a trace that goes from the bluetooth card directly to the front panel ribbon cable. I didn't want to trace it up onto that board so I decided to simply use a razor blade and cut the trace on the board (see picture below) which comes from the 4th pin on the bluetooth board connector (mic+). It looks messier than it really is because you have to first scrape through the solder mask etc. and it gets all scratched up in the process. I could see what I was doing better on the bench under magnification though so I know I did it correctly..
I then cut the existing mic cable plugged into the board and soldered it directly to the MIC+ and SGND pins on the bluetooth card.
I also decided to change the improvised wifi antenna which was on the unit that really was just a section of exposed coax, into being an actual RP-SMA jack on the back which I could then attach any wifi antenna. For now I used the antenna from an old wifi router I had in my junk box, I am actually considering adding an external wifi antenna on the outside of the car such as one of these. I imagine that would be a huge range booster.
@ nixfu, we don't see your pictures....
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@ nixfu, we don't see your pictures....
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Stock recovery
Hello everyone.
I have the RK3066 wich i installed twrp on cuz i though i had to use it to be able to flash roms but that is not the case. now i wanna flash the original firmware back but i didnt save it before.
can anyone save the stock recovery and upload it please ? it can be done with flashify app on the play store
you just need to root the device ( o to Settings->Factory Settings, and enter *#hct#root# as the password, it enables root on the device ), then install flashify and choose backup recovery
thanks in advance, i really need it
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Opps.. fixed
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Maybe it's me, but I still don't see the pictures
nixfu said:
I am just about ready to do the install into the vehicle. I did a few mods to the unit first.
Doing some testing on the bench proved that even though it seems to be a slightly different design, this unit also has the poor microphone audio quality of other HuiFei units when operating hands free bluetooth calling. There was quite a bit of noise/humming etc using the built in mic on the front panel. The external mic jack was a little better and had a little less noise but it still was not great. So I went ahead and did the mod everyone was doing to their HuiFei units to connect directly to the mic input on the bluetooth card.
On this unit, the board layout does not have a simple capacitor you can unsolder to disconnect it from the built in mic inputs. It seems to have a trace that goes from the bluetooth card directly to the front panel ribbon cable. I didn't want to trace it up onto that board so I decided to simply use a razor blade and cut the trace on the board (see picture below) which comes from the 4th pin on the bluetooth board connector (mic+). It looks messier than it really is because you have to first scrape through the solder mask etc. and it gets all scratched up in the process. I could see what I was doing better on the bench under magnification though so I know I did it correctly..
I then cut the existing mic cable plugged into the board and soldered it directly to the MIC+ and SGND pins on the bluetooth card.
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Your pics aren't working for me
It ended up cutting the pin that goes from module to board
But the trace you're referring to doesn't actually go to that ribbon cable closest to the module.
It actually runs across the front (infront of the ribbon cables) then over to the external mic plug somewhere over there
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Hey @nixfu. Still unable to see the pictures.
I am really interested in checking them out.
Thanks for taking the time to post them.
i own this unit, close to perfect
i bought this one from Germany to speed up delivery and avoid taxes (it takes 3 days to arrive to me in France):
joying-europe-eu-warehouse-2015-latest-aftermarket-7-inch-2-double-din-1024-600-in-dash-car-stereo-android-4-4-4-kitkat-quad-core-head-unit-autoradio-16-gb-memory-touch-screen-airplay-gps-navigation-radio-audio-system-support
I chose this one because of
- 7 inch
- 4 core RK3188
- Android 4.4 and future 5
- Physical buttons
- ISO provided
- very regularly firmware releases
- more powerful model for a veru correct price to compare to major brands of market
- The technician/vendor Rambo is very communicative/avalaible, even after buying
It replaces a Parrot smart, which is a very good unit too but stayed at android 2.2
I approve all previous comments on this unit, very high end finished except plastic cache of micro-SD cards which looks cheap.
Unit starts in 15 seconds, good suprise. Interface is very reactive and i can install what i want. Sound is good and radio reception too.
My concerns are:
- no tethering bluetooth 4G sharing with my mobile phone, only wifi hotspot works. It's a pitty because it drains battery of my phone.
- no vocal command for calling, searching music
- only GPS app could be changed as default, no music app neither radio app
- it's not very easy to tap on the letters located in the border because of the physical extended frame in high
- no favorites feature for radio channels
I have read that i can deblock some thing with a rooted firm, xposed frameword and mode MTCxposed. I have to check it out.
Anyway, quality/price surpasses theses concerns to me and i am very happy with this buy.
i would like to buy the Model JY-UQ124 = RK3188 Quad Core, 16 GB Flash, 1024*600 Screen,the Specs looks good!
I have now a AN-21U in my Car installd with the newest Redmod but the Boottime and the Mic Gain sucks!
-how long does the boottime from the Carjoing model take and how is the quality of the Microphone?
-I read something about a Mic Mod, which is in the model also necessary and if so, there is a manual for the Mic Mod?
-can I use the Malaysk Rom for the Radio?
Is it worth it to change the model at all?
thx
TOMMYX2 said:
i would like to buy the Model JY-UQ124 = RK3188 Quad Core, 16 GB Flash, 1024*600 Screen,the Specs looks good!
I have now a AN-21U in my Car installd with the newest Redmod but the Boottime and the Mic Gain sucks!
-how long does the boottime from the Carjoing model take and how is the quality of the Microphone?
-I read something about a Mic Mod, which is in the model also necessary and if so, there is a manual for the Mic Mod?
thx
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Hello,
i have same model and like i wrote in my previous post, it takes 15s to boot.
Ext Mic quality is good (don't test internal mic). I put it in front of mine and can dial without concern. My interlocutors don't complain.
Non-serious question: What would you change about the K20 Pro given the chance?
Things I'd personally go for would be:
1) A read-only secondary bootloader chip with a jumper pinhole under the card slot. To end all brickings.
2) MicroSD support.
3) No tapered edges of the glass panel; perfectly flat for use with glass screen protectors.
4) Stereo speakers.
5) Inclusion of charging limits / intelligent charging settings within MIUI.
6) IR blaster. Can't understand why they removed this.
7) USB3.0. Current 2.0 speeds are 30MB/s. Transfering GBs takes a relatively long time, more so due to MTP.
8) Digital SIM, just do away with archaic SIM cards.
9) Better vibration motor.
10) As others have said Android One as an optional firmware.
I don't understand why they put the ultra-wide lens at the bottom of the triple camera setup. If you're taking a portrait photo with 1 hand you can sometimes see your finger in the view finder... So I would change the order of the camera setup at the back and I would position the flash next to the camera module instead of below it because I sometimes cover it with my finger when I need the flashlight.
Besides that I'd love to see a 90 Hz display, a 4500/5000 mah battery and dual speakers
Clean Google OS
Google camera
Timely security updates.
A decent visible notification LED would have been great.
nielsscholte said:
Besides that I'd love to see a 90 Hz display
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DeepAnger said:
A decent visible notification LED would have been great.
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These are the only two points for me. But:
- We will see if 90hz is possible one day with this screen. I tried 72 hz and it worked good
- There is a notification LED, but not visible from front. Only from top
So no real big points for me
5.2 inch screen would be nice, phones are getting too big for my comfort ?
2VJ5 said:
5.2 inch screen would be nice, phones are getting too big for my comfort ?
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I was surprised to find the K20 Pro is the same size as my old 5.9" Redmi 5 Plus - the 6.39" is due to the screen being taller with minimal bezel rather than actually bigger.
Screen size seems a rather dividing area. I think the best remedy is having two panel sizes for any given model. ±6.5" seems to be the new size with flagships this year. Some manufacturers do two panel sizes but usually put better hardware in a larger "Pro" variant.
I'd like a Plus sized version, 6.7-6.9", with 5000ah battery and sd card.
Better popup cam/ rear cam, mostly. Coming from an Huawei P30 it's somewhat disappointing and taking good photos with my Mi 9T Pro can be hard. Higher hertz screen would be nice but it isn't neccesary and i rather take the better battery life of a 60 hertz screen. Really happy outside of those small annoyances.
I would only change 3 things:
1) Replace the popup camera with a punchhole camera, like the Galaxy S10. Works better with face unlock.
2) Replace the on-screen fingerprint scanner with a normal fingerprint scanner on the back or on the side. These scanners are faster, more accurate and therefore easier to use.
3) Clean Android OS, though that is easily fixed with a custom rom.
McFlypants said:
These are the only two points for me. But:
- We will see if 90hz is possible one day with this screen. I tried 72 hz and it worked good
- There is a notification LED, but not visible from front. Only from top
So no real big points for me
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90Hz mod exists atm, although in beta I think..
K30 appeared end of last year. I like that they're bringing back the MicroSD and moving the FP reader to the side but dayumn, they cut the pop-up camera and AMOLED. Guessing a Pro model might appear. No mention of IR Blaster.
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Timely security updates.
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This again + 120Hz screen. Nothing else.
You're wrong about #7, it copies much faster than 30MB/s. You're being limited by another factor. This device has usb 3.0.
Assuming we are talking about realistic design choices that will not affect price (i.e. not "10000mah battery" or 1000mp camera")
1. I personally REALLY hate notches, so I would like to keep the popup camera.
2. I see absolutely no benefit in under screen fingerprint sensor, it's more gimmick than functional, better to have a regular one on the back.
3. release one firmware and one model, or at most 2, china and global.
4. MicroSD
5. Software, software, software.
Other comments I saw here are either unrealistic, or are only bells and whistles that will increase the cost but will hardly affect usability.
I would rather save 50 euros on the cost of the device than pay for 90-120hz panels.
What are they good for? fluidly scrolling your menus? "gaming" on a 6 inch screen? I don't get this refresh rate obsession.
I'd rather have longer screen on time and cheaper phone to watch my 60 fps youtube videos on.
Looks like the refresh rate become the new more=better sales point after RAM, and camera MP more or less equalized.
Also I disagree about stereo speakers, who uses tiny phone speakers anyway?
Just assholes that blast their sh*tty music in public?
There's a headphone jack and BT, that's all you need for listening to something that is not your ringtone or alarm.
Turbine1991 said:
You're wrong about #7, it copies much faster than 30MB/s. You're being limited by another factor. This device has usb 3.0.
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Every spec list I've seen clearly states USB2.0; gsmarena included - even the Pro Premium has 2.0. I've not seen any USB3 version of this phone anywhere.
File transfers top out at 30MB/s on a USB3 port with the included cable to/from an SSD on two separate machines... which is about expected for USB2 - the theoretical limits are higher but never materialise.