when switching back and forth between roms or just keeping up with Cyanogen's speedy update schedule, I always have problems with the market knowing which apps I have and which I don't, so I was wondering if an app or script could just scan the apps on the device internal & apps2sd them remake the marketdb to reflect what is truly on the phone??
I may be wrong but it seems as its the marketdb that keeps this info, not the market "server" so it sounds easy, but since I couldn't code my way out of a paperbag how would I know if its easy or not...
it's no big deal but it would be nice, im sure im not the only cat who has thought of this so there must be sumthing more complex than I can understand that keeps it from happening...
just an idea,
bhang
the marketdb sucks for that kind of thing. use atrackdog. it creates its own db and updates it every time you run it to show exactly what you have on the phone and scans the market for updates on request.
Backup for root users allows you to backup and restore your market database.
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Backup for root users allows you to backup and restore your market database.
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That option has never worked for me...as with some of the other options in that program. The only ones that seem to work properly for me is backing up SMS and bookmarks. Sometimes backups of alarms work, sometimes not.
I never knew this and just maybe you all would find this kinda maybe interesting as well.
You can manage your apps on your device, including update, uninstall or even install apps on your device via. (you don't even have to touch your device.)
https://play.google.com/apps
You have to be signed in with your Google account that you use on your Device
I left one example of how i made use of the Managing apps on the desktop via Market.
This gave me a interesting idea actually after learning about this. I tested and this worked.
You can setup a little system to where Tasker can initiate a command to ask Titanium backup to restore data,wipe data, or even launch say a "Find lost phone app." (used a random find phone app)
I used the web based app market to install "Find my phone." When it gets installed(whenever it does), Tasker initiates a setup to restore the data using Titanium backup, and launch the app. Thus allowing my phone to be traced.
Reason this is a great combo in my opinion is because Titanium backup allows u to store its default setting and load them up even if TB isn't installed.
you could even have ONLY tasker on the device then allow tasker to initiate BOTH apps instead of just the one. Although i will admit this does require some knowledge of how Tasker works and how to setup circumstances =/
However ina real world circumstance, i highly doubt this little discovery would matter since everyone knows if u find a phone turn it off asap. unless hopefully u leave it accidentally at a restaurant with good people or some other good place like family. =/
Just thought id leave a possible combination i found using the desktop based android market. =)
of course you could always just leave a "find phone app" installed at all times, however im very OCD about whats on my phone as I am sure a lot of flashaholics are also (least i think they are =P )
Does anyone know what the Backup features native to Android actually do? I couldn't find help articles on it. I.e., I know one of them says it will restore WiFi passwords and bookmarks but what else? Then there is an option to "Backup App Data". Is that actually doing what something like Titanium would do?
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I have my device set to backup everything with Google. When I went to exchange my Moto X, it automatically downloaded all apps I had installed on the previous one, my Wi-Fi passwords, my pictures from my camera, even the custom background I was using. I did notice that while it restored all my apps, it did not restore the data associated with them. For instance, I still had to log in to my instagram account, and my progress on Plague Inc was reset. Still, saved a lot of time having to download all my apps individually from the market, and transferring all the pics I has taken was kinda nice as well.
yea it only backs up the apk and thats it.
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yea it only backs up the apk and thats it.
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Which personally I find kind of worthless, without backing up data/settings what is the point really?
But I have paid versions of G Cloud and TiBu which take care of all my backup needs, which I think both those apps are well worth the cost.
agreed jexx until they backup all your settings ill still be reliant on titanium backup. That is really the only reason i want root anymore.
Hey,
Has anyone ever looked into how the Whatsapp Backup is stored? It can be used after reinstalling the app, but not after hard resetting/flashing/etc. So it should be stored on the phone, but not the normal isolated storage of the app since I can reinstall it and use the backup then.
Is there special access necessary or could other apps also access (and modify/export) this backup? I'm asking this because I hope to find a way to make a backup that really is useful, I almost only write via whatsapp because SMS cost way more than internet here. Thanks!
why do you think whatsapp isnt useing isolated storage? shure it is, but you still cant access it - unless you have a interopt unlocked device
the reason you can restore, is that the app id stays the same.. you could try to deploy an older (uncrypted) whatsapp xap to your phone, if the app id still stays the same (and im not shure it does! actually i think it doesnt..) you would gain access... again, thats total theory! i havent tryed this, and it has propably the potential to mess up your backup...
maybe GoodDayToDie has some more info about the app-id thing.. i'll also do a quick research
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why do you think whatsapp isnt useing isolated storage? shure it is, but you still cant access it - unless you have a interopt unlocked device
the reason you can restore, is that the app id stays the same.. you could try to deploy an older (uncrypted) whatsapp xap to your phone, if the app id still stays the same (and im not shure it does! actually i think it doesnt..) you would gain access... again, thats total theory! i havent tryed this, and it has propably the potential to mess up your backup...
maybe GoodDayToDie has some more info about the app-id thing.. i'll also do a quick research
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Thanks for the reply! I din't know files in the isolated storage keep being there after you uninstall the app..
I tried deploying an old Version (1.4) of Whatsapp and it replaced the current one, so it should use the same app id. I didn't find anything in the isolated storage, but the backup is still there when I reinstall it from the store. I'll try launching the deployed app first now.
have you checked out the IsolatedStorageSettings?
Let me have a quick look where this thing is on my harddrive... when i find it, i'll be able to tell you where / how it saves the backup
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have you checked out the IsolatedStorageSettings?
Let me have a quick look where this thing is on my harddrive... when i find it, i'll be able to tell you where / how it saves the backup
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Nope, I have no real clue how to do that, the only thing I can is deploying apps and watching their isolated storage thanks!!
they used "messages.sdf" & "contacts.sdf" before, but then at some version they started to migrate this files into a database.. not shure where it gets stored, or if you can access it with simply browsing the IsoStoreage... ill make a quick test project to test out how or if we could access it..
EDIT: actually i was talking **** the .sdf files are already databases, and the data still resides there... and forgot to mention: even if you couldn't see the database files, you should see the user-picture thumbnails that reside in "cphotos/" + some-sha1-hashed-userinfo...
IsoStore is cleared when an app is uninstalled. So far as I know, this is instant, as part of the app removal process, although I suppose I haven't actually checked that. However, apps can (and many do) implement a backup situation to cover this use case by using a unique identifier that survives a re-install. There are several places such IDs can come from. Since the one you have survives app installs but *not* OS reflashing (even though you presumably sign on with the same Live ID afterward), I'm guessing it's a value that uniquely identifies your OS install and is randomly generated the first time the OS boots. Re-flashing counts as a new install, I guess.
I'd have to investigate further to be sure. There could be other mechanics at play, such as the OS keeping the data around for a short time in case you re-install the app, or the app storing its data in some other (off-phone) location. It's not storing it in some special folder within the phone, though; there's nowhere else it could!
Backup history with Whatapp on Android. Then check the backup file on:
/sdcard/WhatsApp/Databases/msgstore.db.crypt
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/data/data/com.whatsapp/databases/msgstore.db and wa.db (root)
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Backup history with Whatapp on Android. Then check the backup file on:
/sdcard/WhatsApp/Databases/msgstore.db.crypt
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Sorry, but this is Windows Phone, not android..
@GoodDayToDie so, there is no simple way like deploying an app with the same ID and trying to access the backup with it?
Since the data would have been deleted when the old app was removed (and since you can't sideload an app with the same Product ID as an existing Store app), no, that won't work (well, it didn't in WP7; I guess you could try again here; some things are somewhat less secure now than before).
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GoodDayToDie so, there is no simple way like deploying an app with the same ID and trying to access the backup with it?
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Wait for a interop-unlock... thats the way to go in this case.
Until then, you can send your conversations to yourself by mail (option form the context menue)
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IsoStore is cleared when an app is uninstalled. So far as I know, this is instant, as part of the app removal process, although I suppose I haven't actually checked that. However, apps can (and many do) implement a backup situation to cover this use case by using a unique identifier that survives a re-install. There are several places such IDs can come from. Since the one you have survives app installs but *not* OS reflashing (even though you presumably sign on with the same Live ID afterward), I'm guessing it's a value that uniquely identifies your OS install and is randomly generated the first time the OS boots. Re-flashing counts as a new install, I guess.
I'd have to investigate further to be sure. There could be other mechanics at play, such as the OS keeping the data around for a short time in case you re-install the app, or the app storing its data in some other (off-phone) location. It's not storing it in some special folder within the phone, though; there's nowhere else it could!
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GoodDayToDie, any news about this Whatsapp backup feature in Windows Phone? Is it possible to utilize this feature as an "ordinary" developer?
I would have to reverse engineer the app to see how its backup feature works. The most likely explanation - that it's storing the backup "in the cloud" using the device ID (which resets when you do a hard reset, I think) - is easily possible for any app so long as you provide the storage space...
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I would have to reverse engineer the app to see how its backup feature works. The most likely explanation - that it's storing the backup "in the cloud" using the device ID (which resets when you do a hard reset, I think) - is easily possible for any app so long as you provide the storage space...
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That could be an explanation. But then the Whatsapp developers could easily offer a full backup, as on other platforms, linked to the phone number or something. Then you could restore the messages even after a phone exchange. But who knows what's in their heads ...
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I would have to reverse engineer the app to see how its backup feature works. The most likely explanation - that it's storing the backup "in the cloud" using the device ID (which resets when you do a hard reset, I think) - is easily possible for any app so long as you provide the storage space...
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Nope, it doesn't seem to be online.. it backups pretty big chats extremely fast with 2 bars of GPRS, so it can't be via internet.. it even backups without connection at all. That's the weird thing.. how are apps even allowed to store files that keep being there after an uninstall?
There are a couple really sneaky ways you could do that; one that comes to mind is creating a fake "image" or "ringtone" or similar, serializing the data to it, and then looking for it the "first" time the app is run after installing. However, I'm definitely more curious now. There are folders which apps can request permissions to write to, but usually that's a trick limited to "second-party" apps (OEMs, etc.) and prohibited for third parties.
I've already looked into the code, as far as i can tell there is no online backup feature. it just stores the conversations in a database.
And to answer yout question schluff: no there is absolutley no way the usual developera to utilize this.
btw: @GoodDayToDie could you provide us the newest WhatsApp XAP (2.11.312.0)?
When I get the chance to extract it of my computer, yeah. It's really hard to get full FS access working these days, so I'm looking into other ways to access the install folders and storage of other Apps.
here you go
edit: I've changed nothing, so it's the whole install folder in this zip file
Thanks for the extraction! Obviously, I can't do anything with it
However, if anyone is interested in this too, in the following versions it seems to backup to the SD card, at least @Nazwzil8 reported so at twitter: https://twitter.com/Nawzil8/status/410486248156172288 he reported a lot about whatsapp, he seems a legit beta tester.
I can do without rooting my phone, BUT, it seems there are NO good apps to backup your phone if you're NOT rooted!
For me, the most important thing, is to backup your APPs, APP data, call logs and SMS files. Other media files can EASILY be transferred to your SD card or PC. If you want to preserve the way you set up your icons on your different screens, you can even use NOVA launcher, which will restore your screens to the previous state! :good: There is an APP that can backup call logs and SMS Files, but I haven't found one that backs up APPs and the APP data. A lot of people boast about how great Helium is, but I don't see it! Every attempt I make at backing up the (allowed) apps, Helium freezes!! I even paid for the "premium" edition, and it's still ain't worth a crap!! Tried a number of fixes, but nothing!!
Has anyone found an alternative that will backup APPs and APP data, other than Helium, which doesn't require root???
I've got a Samsung Galaxy S6 (Verizon), which I really don't want to root, but if I don't, backup options seem to be non-existent!