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Which ROM recomend to my cingular 8125

Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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jefferson_paredes said:
Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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I recommend you stay with the stock rom. You don't want to take the time to read, you don't want to take the time to learn, and I quote:
jefferson_paredes said:
I´m a completly neebie.
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Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.

jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.
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This forum is not for the faint of heart. It is halfway expected that you experiment and read up on other's experiences before asking for help. Most folks here did precisely that and have learned from experience and mistakes, that is why you'll receive that kind of response.
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.

jlczl said:
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.
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This is helpful
Thanks

I also had the original ROM. I upgraded to 2.17 first and then to 2.25 original ROM from Cingular. I have heard that some folks had problems downgrading so I have only gone up. Eventually summiter will have a modified version that covers new stuff.
I now have push email that I think is great. Go sign up on www.mail2web.com for mail2web live. And go to your email provider and forward but do not delete from the server you email to your mail2web.com exchange server. Then set up ActiveSync to the mail2web server settings. It is great. The email shows up on your phone sometimes before it shows up on your Outlook.

jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
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Garbage in, garbage out. Sticks and stones mate.
Posting what you did, I gave you exactly what you should have expected. I'm not going to tell you to go ahead, void your warranty, and you some how brick your device by flashing it wrong or using the wrong rom, Summiter's projects or not.
I'm merely stating that with the lack of information you provided, and the type of post you made (which as been done many times), you should have thought a little harder about what you're getting into.
I personally don't want to be responsible for you flashing your device, and neither does the author of the custom rom you may choose. My statement of "stick with the stock rom" also applies to recommended STOCK upgrades, such as the one found here:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/software_downloads_8125.htm
I still don't recommend you electing to flash a custom rom until you are more confident about the possibility of dumping $700 worth of phone as a paper weight. There is always the chance you will brick your device. If you do it with a stock rom, then the provider's warranty kicks in and they have to take the dive, not you or your pocket book.
So dear sir, for the lame attempt at shoving my post right back in my face, it was actually quite helpful if you bothered, once again, to read, read, and read some more. I'm not doing this to flame you, I'm not doing this to be a tard or a ****... but I am taking the voice of many users here who heed caution to you, because using a customized rom is a serious matter, and should be taken into consideration when a $700 device may be bricked.
Just trying to cautiously make you aware of the circumstances. My recommendation: stick with stock - upgrades are a part of stock roms and don't void your warranty (as long as they don't investigate the SuperCID unlocking you did, you're all gravy).
Cheers! and best of luck on your ROM hunt.

Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your

jschaff said:
Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your
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I agree 100% with your post. the post made by mengesb was useless and unnecessary.

We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn. Be careful of who you offend when you ***** about an "Old Timer" that's responding to a Posting that has very little information regarding the knowledge of the Poster.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
If we displease you... maybe look for help somewhere else.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow

To answer the question, the best rom IMHO currently is Summiter's multi-installer AKU2.3 package. He's fixed many of the initial gotcha's and the result is the best radio/AKU combination for the 8125. The only issue is a pesky Times New Roman font that occasionally crops up.
Once SIM & CID unlocked, you'll have no pblms installing this one with your v3 chipset.

Dr Puttingham said:
We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow
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I can understand where you're coming from. I'm pretty "new" to these forums, as well -- actually, though . . . NOT!! I "lurked" for a LONG time before I ever started posting and read every thread I could find about upgrading, tweaking, hacking, etc., etc.
I'm coming from a Carrier's customer forum where I feel about THAT forum the same way the "old-timers" here feel about noobs posting questions. It seems like every 4 - 6 weeks, there's an influx of noobs, and they all keep asking the same questions over and over again, without taking the time to use the site's search feature, and we "old-timers" get tired of answering the same questions over and over again, and get extremely frustrated that posters WON'T take the time to do a search and read and apply before posting. AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! I mean, the answers to 75% of the questions that are asked are right in the User's Manual, for Pete's Sake!!
So, I'm now spending more of my time here reading, researching, applying and THEN asking, if need be. Much more productive information over here, anyway. So, I can see BOTH SIDES of this coin -- both as a relative noob here and as a seasoned veteran of the other forum.
Personally, though, the main reason I don't post more often than I do is that I feel pretty much intimidated with all of the knowledge and the members WITH that knowledge on this forum. But, I will also be quick to say that when I had a problem with a tweak, or a hack that I couldn't seem to overcome, there have been those who have bent over backwards for me to help when I would PM them about it, and THAT was very much appreciated. The ones who have gone that "extra mile" have never in any way made me feel inferior to them when it comes to developmental issues I've inquired about.
From lurking around on here, I've turned into a virtual SPONGE, trying to soak it all in and learn all there is to learn. . . so, bear with me if I should happen to be the one asking a question -- ok??

Lurking is good. The best way to learn here is by lurking and reading, and not just reading selected postings for a day or two. So many questions have already been asked and just need to be found. These forums move quickly and sometimes one needs to go back a few pages to find something and the search COULD be better, but that's the way it is.
I was referring to those that call mengesb names, etc because he didn't give them the answer that they wanted. Actually I thought that he put more time and understanding into answering the OP than I might have, given the information presented. And no, he didn't flame the author.
And I, for one, might not go all out to help someone that responds in such a manner should they need assistance in the future. I mean, who wants to offer advise and risk being called an A-Hole? Not me, that's for sure!
That's just my opinion.
Steven

As someone relatively new to this forum, I've tried to take the same tack as newbie2 and lurk as much as I can. However, even the most comprehensive community cannot answer any and all questions that someone may have. The key here is to be able to differentiate between valid questions asked by someone who's new, and idiotic questions asked by someone who doesn't care to do some research.
That being said, even with about a week’s worth of research I have yet to find a definitive answer as to which custom ROM is the best, and, because we are a community of volunteers, a lot of documentation that would exist for a commercial product is missing. Now that's to be expected, and I don't fault the ROM developer for building what is essentially, something for him, that he shares with the community. However, given that this documentation either doesn't exist or is distinctly lacking, I think the community that the ROM is shared with could be a bit more forthcoming with information, either by making it available in a wiki or in these forums. Keyword searching to try to find the best extended ROM gives a whole bunch of people asking which one is best, as well as the two or three large threads with either summiter's ROM or MrClean's.
Now I know that experimenting can be the best way to find out the information that I seek, but when it's possible to brick a $400 piece of electronics simply by experimenting, one has to be as prudent and careful as possible. That's a frightening proposition and it puts a lot of newbies in a difficult position.
So to conclude this rather verbose post, the best thing that can be done is for the older and more experienced posters to simply respond with a bit of information about the topic being asked, and then if there is a more specific question, to explain to the poster that they can search for this info. This gives newer people that do search and do research the benefit of information shared from more experienced posters without hopefully clogging up the forum with tons of the same question.

Words of caution - and some help
By far, as many of the thread lurkers here can say, the roms submitted by Summiter are probably the better quality roms. But, in light of things, you have a few options:
Mr. Clean ROMs
Summiter's ROMs
Mobiz ROMs
these are the three that I've seen around these parts. Mr. Clean roms are a derrivitive of Summiter's projects, which basically clean out the carrier customization. If you don't like carrier customizations, then this rom would be the best for you.
For those of us who like to use carrier customizations, we usually elect to use Summiter's roms. They typically are very stable, fast, and come already with the generally pre-defined or commonly desired hacks located in the wiki.
As for the Mobiz ROMs, I cannot say one thing or another. I've only recently seen talk about them in the past month or so, and I'm not going to speak of a product I don't have personal experience from.
I don't want to come off complete as a jack ass, but you also do understand where I'm coming from - if my recommendation nukes your device, who's the first person you're going to flame? Me or the Author of that ROM. I've been experimenting with my own ROM customizations myself, and let me tell you, even I haven't dared flash one of my own creations because numerous people here have nuked their devices doing that very thing! I... for now... like many other people await for a seasoned ROM cooking professional to work on those waffles until the ROM feels right - Summiter.
What I will always recommend a new comer is to stick with a stock rom, and do as many minor adjustments to their device as possible just to simply make it faster. If Summiter would post is SummSumm.cab file, that would be perfect for you honestly! You wouldn't void your warranty, and that cab has a lot of good registry hacks to make your device nice and speedy.
When you're ready, and know the concequences, there will be people here to help you attempt to save your device if it does get in trouble. Here's a quick note in that event:
If for some reason your flash fails, or gets interrupted (either by you unplugging the USB cable because you think its hanging; or the dreaded BSOD - blue screen of death), when your device reboots, hold down the camera key. This should load you into the bootloader if its not completely nuked. If you get a tri-color (RGB) screen with/without some white and a 'USB' marking above the left soft key, then you're still good. Resume the updater and don't interupt it.
I'm sure this is a more polite way of giving you the information you seek - and helps you to being well on your way to the club of warranty voided 8125's like many of us here pay our memberships to. I always want to have the voice of this, "Flashing your device can brick your $400-650 investiment - you have been warned."
I'd also recommend searching posts made by the following: machinagod, summiter, Dr Puttingham, and kyphur.

The warranty warning is a valid issue. And the latest ROM release by Cingular is an OK ROM. In your position I'd probably upgrade to that official version and install one of the various reg tweaks cabs available here. I've been using Molski's speed tweaks contribution and notice a marked improvement when using any of the ROMs'.
I personally go back and forth between sumitter's latest, the PDA Mobiz (cuz I like some of the add-ins) and a test ROM that faria made special for me.
If you decide to chance your warranty that's your decision. Actually very few folks that have painstaking followed the procedure have bricked their phones but there's always that chance. I made a conscious decision at the beginning of the year when I got my Wizard that .. first, I had to have direct push and second, if I DID brick my phone I'd consider it a $300 paperweight and blame no one but myself.
I've flashed my phone at least a dozen times I'm sure, in addition to maybe 10 or so of my clients. Luckily I've never bricked a phone yet but a lot of that isn't luck. If you go this route and decide to use an unofficial ROM you must CID and SIM unlock. There are those that say different but sumitter, faria and other custom ROM builders say "do", up to you.
Anything we can help you with, ask.
Steven
chow

I have a TMo MDA and am a six-week-old noob, but learning fast, having spent probably 1000 hours reading posts from here and HoFo. I've decided to keep the stock ROM, at least for the time being, for the reasons cited in previous replies here. Also, in almost every case with the custom ROM's there is a minority that have problems, either small or big, and that has led me away from the adventure of ROM burning. Plus, my stock ROM works fine for me and I'm only having one problem that may be solved by now. It has no major quirks, has enough memory remaining, and rarely crashes.
What bothers me about the custom ROM's is the undercetainty of some of the steps. Do I need Lokowiz and if so which version? Some say you must use the older 2a under some circumstances. With at least one ROM upgrade you can upgrade if you have ROM "X," but if you have "Y" you must downgrade to "Z" first and then upgrade. I entertained the possibility of just doing a hard-reset, then omit the TMo extended ROM, but nowhere could I find info on what I'm missing by eliminating it. Will the phone function at 100% without it? Can I selectively run the CAB's, and if so who makes a list of what is in each CAB? Too many questions for which I see no answers, or foggy ones. Someone needs to write a comprehensive FAQ on these topics.
I did do the slit-antenna mod, which did help a bit, and that was only one day into my MDA ownership. That was a big jump and didn't seem like a risky move like the fingers-crossed, heart-pumping, adrenaline rush of flashing your ROM. I also have installed apps and tweaks that have made the MDA a pleasant experience so far.
My advice would be to play with your new phone for a while and ask yourself, "Am I happy with the way this works," then read about other ROMs available and ask yourself another question: "Will this help enhance my PDA-phone experience in any meaningful way, or do I just like the rush of playing in the street?" Then decide if the improvements, if any, are worth the risks. So far for me they are not...but who knows what will happen tomorrow.

I feel like a commercial here, but I think for newbies (as me) the mobiz ROM has a the usefull stuff, it has all tweaks, programs etc.
I still like it and keep on using it.

ATT tilt- unlocked,whats the new roms?

I bought a ATT tilt and its unlocked. I'm using it with tmobile. Does anybody know if att released new roms? I see this at my reset
1.27.12.11
22.45.88.o7H
1.57.00.00
If there is something newer, how would i dload it, and what features does it add?
The only thing I did to my unit was do a hard reset and didnt install the att software.

u can upgrade your radio, and you might not want to use at&t's rom. Try the roms that are in Kaiser upgrading portion of this forum. Make sure you install hardspl properly before attempting to upgrade radio/rom.

But what kind of features do these upgrades do?

What do you mean?? Each rom is for a specific reason and they tell you what is in the release.

~~Tito~~ said:
What do you mean?? Each rom is for a specific reason and they tell you what is in the release.
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Right. Is there someplace that tells me what the upgrades does before dloading it? I wanted to know if it would be worth the upgrade.

starstreak said:
Right. Is there someplace that tells me what the upgrades does before dloading it? I wanted to know if it would be worth the upgrade.
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If you need to ask, then no. All ROM Chefs include the relevant info in thier original posts. If you are incapable of reading english or are inept at using the multiple search options available, then go back to using your Razr. Hello Moto?

Hey Nick, before talking and sticking foot in your mouth with your childish remarks and quick comebacks, go READ my first post.
I can't believe you tell me that I'm incapable of reading english.. When you yourself can't read what the post is about before responding.
I was asking about the ATT roms. I did NOT ask about the ROMs that people are putting together. But I see your quick 10 year old whip got the best of you by letting you read only the last post to my thread, in which the person was telling me to use the hacked roms.
I was trying to figure out if it would be worth trying to do the normal updates to the att tilt.
edit: Editing so I don't sound like you. I can see how your mind thought I was talking about the cooked roms if you read ONLY the last responses by people. When I asked what they would do, I was talking more like a generalized response on why I would want the cooked rom vs the att. And by they way, try and do a search for: ROM, att, update, patches and tell me how many responses come back. That would be nuts reading as almost every subject in this forum is about those words.
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If you need to ask, then no. All ROM Chefs include the relevant info in thier original posts. If you are incapable of reading english or are inept at using the multiple search options available, then go back to using your Razr. Hello Moto?
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if you dont use the "hacked" roms, you wont get to use your device's full potential. It took me about 4 1/2 months before i got the balls to hardspl my kaiser and flash a rom on it, i was suprised on what i was missing out.
there are rarely any "normal" updates for the tilt. But keep an eye out in feb, rumored windows 6.1 will hit our devices soon!

Ah ok. I didn't want to do it as I finally got the unit working ok. So I was thinking if I was going to do any updates to it I would stick to the "safer" att update being that all I needed is a att sim to put me back on the network if need.
But if 6.1 comes out wouldn't I want to dload the one that att (if they even would give an update) gives for this phone?
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if you dont use the "hacked" roms, you wont get to use your device's full potential. It took me about 4 1/2 months before i got the balls to hardspl my kaiser and flash a rom on it, i was suprised on what i was missing out.
there are rarely any "normal" updates for the tilt. But keep an eye out in feb, rumored windows 6.1 will hit our devices soon!
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Yeah, normally the manufacterer htc provides the update, then just maybe if att decides to be nice, they provide it for the tilt a few months later. But im pretty sure you can install the version htc provides, seeing as developers here create a "tilt" fix soonafter (when the time comes, let a few people take the bullet and report problems ). So if you want to download it from ATT to be safe, you can. But if you know what you are doing your options expand exponentially. And its not hard to know what you are doing.
If you follow these simple ideas, you normally dont have to worry about hard resetting / returning to manufacturer.
-Most programs wont cause a hard reset / "defect" the device so download away!!
-Becareful with registry edits, and dont edit anything that you dont know what it is. Worst case scenario-> hard reset
-Once you plan on moving on to modifying your kaiser, you must install hardspl. This "might" brick your device, but if you follow instructions its not likely. With hardspl, it basically insures you that you will never brick your device via rom flashes.
-As for red light of deaths those are really random, many speculations and possible ressurections are within these forums, but its really likely you will have to do a RMA.

Mark all as read- built into ROM's?

Since my first WM5 device 4 years ago I have been flashing new roms. I have lost count how many different people's creations I have tried and am happy with the fact that I can add the cabs I need to customise it.
Every ROM I have flashed, the first thing I install is a 4kb cab to add a "Mark all as read" option in my emails. I am astounded that this is something Microsoft left out, and having just reinstalled it, am equally astounded that there is not more of a demand for this tiny modification to be included. This is not a dig at the chefs, but I am curious to know what everyone else does.
I have 4 email accounts. Despite my best efforts I get a lot of spam, so on any one email download I can receive around 60 emails. Individually marking them as read would be a nightmare, and deleting them is no good as I often go back and read my downloaded and marked as read emails when I have time.
Perhaps I am in the minority here?

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Since my first WM5 device 4 years ago I have been flashing new roms. I have lost count how many different people's creations I have tried and am happy with the fact that I can add the cabs I need to customise it.
Every ROM I have flashed, the first thing I install is a 4kb cab to add a "Mark all as read" option in my emails. I am astounded that this is something Microsoft left out, and having just reinstalled it, am equally astounded that there is not more of a demand for this tiny modification to be included. This is not a dig at the chefs, but I am curious to know what everyone else does.
I have 4 email accounts. Despite my best efforts I get a lot of spam, so on any one email download I can receive around 60 emails. Individually marking them as read would be a nightmare, and deleting them is no good as I often go back and read my downloaded and marked as read emails when I have time.
Perhaps I am in the minority here?
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I'm sure your not alone on this. If you actually asked a chef you may find they implement this into their next rom.
Would also be useful if you posted this little cab which you are using as no doubt others may be interested in using it.

Yeah i would love to used it in my kitchen.
please share

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Would also be useful if you posted this little cab which you are using as no doubt others may be interested in using it.
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+ 1 for the cab
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+1 for the implementation into rom's

This is very true. It seems I may have exaggerated the small file size, and there is now an updated version...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379265
I guess I see the chefs as creating a perfect ROM for themselves, and sharing their work. Asking them to change their perfect ROM to suit me seems a little cheeky. So I have always used their work as a base. For which I am extremely grateful!
But as you said, maybe there is thousands of users with my mindset. If nobody asks, nobody gets.

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This is very true. It seems I may have exaggerated the small file size, and there is now an updated version...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379265
I guess I see the chefs as creating a perfect ROM for themselves, and sharing their work. Asking them to change their perfect ROM to suit me seems a little cheeky. So I have always used their work as a base. For which I am extremely grateful!
But as you said, maybe there is thousands of users with my mindset. If nobody asks, nobody gets.
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A lot of chef's are very hospitable and approachable. If you have something which would benefit a lof of users then generally they would want it in their rom. If you where to ask a chef he/she may surprise you and implement it into his rom. Just a thought...lol

Schooleydoo said:
This is very true. It seems I may have exaggerated the small file size, and there is now an updated version...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379265
I guess I see the chefs as creating a perfect ROM for themselves, and sharing their work. Asking them to change their perfect ROM to suit me seems a little cheeky. So I have always used their work as a base. For which I am extremely grateful!
But as you said, maybe there is thousands of users with my mindset. If nobody asks, nobody gets.
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Looks very interesting, I might want to cook it in my ROM. File size isnt that big actually.

I can confirm that this little app does in fact work. Tested on Duttys L1 Leo rom.

this works a treat
@Fallen Sparten, you knew about this in April ..............

neils31 said:
this works a treat
@Fallen Sparten, you knew about this in April ..............
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Sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing ..........and also this may not have been the same little app
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Also I have easily 300+ cabs, some outdated and not compatible with newer roms, others compatible which I don't use any more. Maybe I should have a look at these again..lol

Rom reviews

Hello all Chefs and Rom users, I wanted to know how would you like if someone started a thread or site where they do in depth reviews on roms,chefs,and apps for htc phones? Would you find this useful and would you be willing to post your roms on a site that does this? Would you be interested in paying for adverstisement? Would you like for a donation link to be placed in your review or section on the site? Rom users, how useful do you think this site will be? I am open to all comments and questions. Thank to all in advance.

I think that would be a great idea, especially for the people who arent sure which rom they want or what they want on a rom or the people that are new to this scene. Maybe the site could include a list of things that are included in the roms. Such as does it have the latest .net compact framwork and things like that. Also it could be broken down into which roms would be best for which versions of the rhodium. Like T-mobile, at&t, sprint, verizon. And there could be a rating system letting users rate the roms. Just a few ideas to throw at you.

Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.

ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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yeah i second this. The key thing about roms is that they differ in appeal for one person to the next. Most roms these days are nice and fast (certainly faster than stock) and so the additional factors may involve apps included, graphics and other features and although these are listed within the chefs thread as screenshots and lists, you only really know a rom is right for you once its in your hands and personally test-driven!
Agreed, it would be good to have an objective list of features of all current roms and comments of them in one place, however the info is already out there leaving the rest of the work up to the user!

ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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I agree... With a UC cable ROM, a PC registry editor (CeRegistry, MobileRegistryEditor) and maybe SDConfig Builder along with PIM Backup I have it automated down to about 10 minutes...

i like it
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea

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as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.

Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc

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Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads

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as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I am in the same boat I flash roms all the time, and love this forum, It would be nice to have an alternate way to read about rom,chefs,apps,Htc phones,rumors.
Something that goes more in depth.

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geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
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I am talking about a site,not really a social networking site, because that will just grow too huge and make it hard for some users to be able to get the info they are looking for. I am thinking more like a blog. Where you can search info and find different articles. There would be polls on roms. The rom may be reviewed with general info and people can leave comments. I just think it may be a way to narrow down this info for users to easily get to. Some are intimidated by huge sites. The site will have other info ,but will also lean more towards roms and chefs. The site would benefit rom users and chefs.

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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
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The site would not cover all roms,but would try to cover major releases and maybe the roms of chefs who want to link there roms to the site.

Thank You
Thank You to all who participated in this poll. Anyone who have not participated yet can still participate. It seems most members would enjoy a site like this one. I have updated my signature with the latest roms I am running. Thank you all!

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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
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Reading from 40 to 400+ pages of a thread just to see what the rom is about isn't something I look forward to. I would like it if they were categorized. For example, search filters for all the roms that have sense 2.1 or all the roms that have 2.5, etc. Roms that are made specifically for a carrier would also be a nice filter. I also think a really good idea would be to make a program with the purpose of benchmarking a rom just to try and test the speed of how fast the rom really is. There are many more things that can be done. I think thewingster.com is a great example of this, but it can be taken to another level to make it much easier for users. There are many roms not posted on that site, but the popular ones are there.

I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.

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I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.

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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round

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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Makes since thanks

What's your opinions?

G1 Owners, what are your favorite ROMs to use, and why? Interested in what people think.

Ninjineer said:
G1 Owners, what are your favorite ROMs to use, and why? Interested in what people think.
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Wow! What an open ended question.
Reference
Three cupcake roms
Fourteen Donut roms
Fourteen Eclair roms
Twelve Hero/SenseUI roms (with 1.5 - Donut)
Ten Hero/SenseUI roms with (2.1 - Eclair)
Three Blur roms (with 1.5 - Donut)
So we have a total of (pulling up calculator app) 56 different roms. And what was the question you were asking? Oh yeah... which one is our favorite? What kind of answer are you expecting? Do you want speed? Stability? Working bluetooth? Working Wi-Fi? Required DeathSPL? Required sdcard partitioning? Asking such a question is going to give you mixed results with very biased opinions. My advice is to first flash Amon_Ra's recovery, use nandroid to backup what you have and try some out for yourself. Make sure that you read the requirements for each rom first. I seriously doubt that anyone has tried all 50+ roms so any answer that you receive from such a question is going to be very biased. If you want my opinion though and I'm assuming that you do I suggest using a rom made by Cyanogen. Which one depends on your setup. If you want to run a fairly stable Eclair rom you can try test2 but be warned that it requires the DeathSPL which has been known to brick phones. Most Hero/SenseUI roms(with the exception of Micro Hero (1.5 - Donut)) require the DeathSPL rom as well and I believe that all 2.0 and 2.1 - Eclair roms require it too. However note that most Hero roms don't have working bluetooth on the G1. So you have a great user interface but you sacrifice a little bit of sdcard space and a working bluetooth connection. Plus the risk of bricking your phone is a turnoff for some newbies. So if you don't want to risk bricking your phone and have a hard time following instructions then I would skip that particular SPL and stick with that one that you have (assuming that you don't already have it of course.)
Now some roms require a properly partitioned SD card. That is FAT/ext 2/3 or 4/Swap. This is most Hero/SenseUI roms. Some may require ext3 while others may require something different. So again... you'll have to read up on the requirements and experiment for yourself.
You don't want to flash the Danger SPL and don't feel like reformating your SDCARD with separate partitions? Well... looks like your stuck with very few options. Less than half if I calculated accurately. So I guess it boils down to what you have now, what you are willing to do to experiment, what you want in regards to functionality versus stability.
Good luck.

He wants to know which one YOU like. He's not asking for a suggestion. He's not asking for links to ones. He's not asking which one is fastest. He's not asking which one is most stable. He's not asking how to do it. He's not asking where to get them.
You had a very good start:
which one is our favorite?
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then you went to this:
What kind of answer are you expecting? Do you want speed? Stability? Working bluetooth? Working Wi-Fi? Required DeathSPL? Required sdcard partitioning? Asking such a question is going to give you mixed results with very biased opinions.
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Wtf? He wants to know what you like and why. Not what every ROM does and which is the best. Not trying to be a ass about it. Sorry if I came off as such. That just blew my mind.
My favorite ROM? Dr. Cloverdale's Eclair/Donut. I've been having problems with the Eclair, so I'm sitting with donut for now. And I like it because it's got all the goodness of cyanogen but a smexified theme.

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He wants to know which one YOU like. He's not asking for a suggestion. He's not asking for links to ones. He's not asking which one is fastest. He's not asking which one is most stable. He's not asking how to do it. He's not asking where to get them.
You had a very good start:
then you went to this:
Wtf? He wants to know what you like and why. Not what every ROM does and which is the best. Not trying to be a ass about it. Sorry if I came off as such. That just blew my mind.
My favorite ROM? Dr. Cloverdale's Eclair/Donut. I've been having problems with the Eclair, so I'm sitting with donut for now. And I like it because it's got all the goodness of cyanogen but a smexified theme.
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My point to this is that what is your favorite is not necessarily going to be mine. I prefer Cyanogen's rom, but clearly your preference differs. Which is exactly my point. And all this is going to mean absolutely nothing to him unless he actually tries them for himself. So how can one measure the best rom? Doesn't everybody have different taste? Doesn't everybody run different amount of screen with a variety of apps and widgets? No one is the same so asking for "the best" or even "What do you use?" is actually kind of a rhetorical question because in the end it's up to him to try the ones that interest him and all of our comments and suggestions mean nothing. What if everyone replies "Use Cyanogen's 5.0.7 rom" and the OP doesn't have the DangerSPL and doesn't want to risk bricking his device? What if he uses Wi-Fi and bluetooth constantly? What if he just has a 512mb class 2 sdcard? Does he want a large variety of themes or is he comfortable with the stock look?
Since we don't know how can we really give proper input? And you don't need to look far to know what other people use. Just look at the Development thread. The thread with the most input should tell you something right there. I honestly wouldn't trust a rom that has been out for a a couple months with no updates and only a couple pages of replies. However commonly used roms such as Cyanogen's, MLIGNS, bbuchacher, HTCCLay, dwang, manup456, KiNgxKxlicK, etc all have reputations of being very good roms. Some are great for eye candy, some are great for stability, others for speed.
Indeed he asked for our opinion and what we use... but the fact of the matter is that new roms are released/updated almost daily. So to suggest one today may not be a fair suggestion tomorrow. And if the OP just wants to know what we use and doesn't like suggestions... then this post is kind of useless in my opinion because that's all he's going to get.

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My point to this is that what is your favorite is not necessarily going to be mine.
... And if the OP just wants to know what we use and doesn't like suggestions... then this post is kind of useless in my opinion because that's all he's going to get.
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I am so with Binary100100 on this one. I see at least 1-2 new "favorite" or "best" rom threads every day. I think that starting thread like that should grounds for an instant ban.

Interested in what people think.
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The OP is asking what your favorite ROM is and why. He's not asking what to use OR a suggestion!
I'm going to break this down nice and easy.
]My point to this is that what is your favorite is not necessarily going to be mine.
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THAT'S WHY HE'S ASKING FOR YOUR FAVORITE, NOT MINE OR WHAT HIS SHOULD BE!
I prefer Cyanogen's rom, but clearly your preference differs. Which is exactly my point.
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Which is exactly why your post partially lacks meaning. OP wants to know everyone's favorite. Each individual users favorite. Get it?
And all this is going to mean absolutely nothing to him unless he actually tries them for himself.
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Wtf? He's just asking what your favorite ROM is. He probably has his own favorite.
So how can one measure the best rom? Doesn't everybody have different taste? Doesn't everybody run different amount of screen with a variety of apps and widgets? No one is the same so asking for "the best" or even "What do you use?" is actually kind of a rhetorical question because in the end it's up to him to try the ones that interest him and all of our comments and suggestions mean nothing.
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HE NEVER ASKED FOR BEST! He asked for YOUR FAVORITE!
"What do you use?" Is not a rhetorical question at all. I use cyanogenmod. It's simple as that.
Since we don't know how can we really give proper input?
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Wtf? You don't know what your favorite ROM is? How, bro?
And you don't need to look far to know what other people use. Just look at the Development thread. The thread with the most input should tell you something right there.
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This is true. =] This actually shows that this thread is somewhat pointless.
Indeed he asked for our opinion and what we use... but the fact of the matter is that new roms are released/updated almost daily. So to suggest one today may not be a fair suggestion tomorrow. And if the OP just wants to know what we use and doesn't like suggestions... then this post is kind of useless in my opinion because that's all he's going to get.
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This is true. BUT THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS! Useless or not, the whole point is that he never even mentioned a suggestion or close to it.
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I am so with Binary100100 on this one. I see at least 1-2 new "favorite" or "best" rom threads every day. I think that starting thread like that should grounds for an instant ban.
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I'm with borodin that new ROMs come almost everyday, but narrow it down to a branch or two. You really generally have 1 or 2 favorite branches. Mine is cyanogenmod and Dr. Cloverdale's (which is just cyanogenmod). So my favorite ROM is cyanogen. Sure today it's test3 and in a week it will be test4, but that won't change the fact that cyanogenmod is still made by cyanogen. Either way, I'll still use cyanogen.
This would be better in General. This isn't exactly a Q&A. Would that have made it better for both of you?
I mean seriously, when your friend asks you what your favorite soda is, do you sit there and try to explain to him that what what you like isn't going to apply to him because he might like a small amount of sugar and you like a lot of sugar?

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The OP is asking what your favorite ROM is and why. He's not asking what to use OR a suggestion!
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Exactly. It's just a fun, curiosity thread. I'm curious where the trends are going. Why all the angst and hatred? You don't want me going to another thread with tales of bigotry and all-around asshattery, do you?
Don't get your blood pressure up over it, I'm just simply curious how people prioritize, expanding my horizons.
Didn't expect to have to kick off my own thread, but here goes. I like the new version of Cyanogen. It's fast, as stable as I can tell, no force crashes in my experience, and my battery doesn't really drain any worse than it did before.
Hehe, this thread might as well have asked "Who are the high strung a holes around this forum?" because that's the answer I got.
I am sorry if this was misplaced. I'm still getting used to the organization of this forum, being a new member and all, just trying to soak up as much information as I can from others. The ones that are generous enough to allow it, that is.

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Exactly. It's just a fun, curiosity thread. I'm curious where the trends are going. Why all the angst and hatred? You don't want me going to another thread with tales of bigotry and all-around asshattery, do you?
Don't get your blood pressure up over it, I'm just simply curious how people prioritize, expanding my horizons.
Didn't expect to have to kick off my own thread, but here goes. I like the new version of Cyanogen. It's fast, as stable as I can tell, no force crashes in my experience, and my battery doesn't really drain any worse than it did before.
Hehe, this thread might as well have asked "Who are the high strung a holes around this forum?" because that's the answer I got.
I am sorry if this was misplaced. I'm still getting used to the organization of this forum, being a new member and all, just trying to soak up as much information as I can from others. The ones that are generous enough to allow it, that is.
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This PROBABLY would have fit better in General, but here isn't as bad as nubs flooding the Android Development section with questions. Plus, you're new. All forums are different with the way that the consider sub-forums should be used. It's all in experience.
I agree, when I first read I was like, wtf? Did they even read the TITLE or just click and post?
My favorite is cyanogenmod as well (now). I honestly like the donut more, though. Donut just seems to be more snappy and stable and ANY Eclair. Maybe Eclair will eventually evolve, which I believe it will, and then it will be an everydayer, but I don't see that as of now.

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This PROBABLY would have fit better in General, but here isn't as bad as nubs flooding the Android Development section with questions. Plus, you're new. All forums are different with the way that the consider sub-forums should be used. It's all in experience.
I agree, when I first read I was like, wtf? Did they even read the TITLE or just click and post?
My favorite is cyanogenmod as well (now). I honestly like the donut more, though. Donut just seems to be more snappy and stable and ANY Eclair. Maybe Eclair will eventually evolve, which I believe it will, and then it will be an everydayer, but I don't see that as of now.
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Yeah, it does get a little old maintaining a test/experimental build if I don't have time to live in my PC chair.

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Yeah, it does get a little old maintaining a test/experimental build if I don't have time to live in my PC chair.
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Very true. Once it's stable it will be awesome, though.