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Can Sprite Backup jeopardize ROM Updates?

Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
Or am I totally off here ?

After a rom upgrade, you should never restore a complete backup, regardless of the backup program you use. With sprite, it is easy to do a restore of individual databases (appointments, contacts, email, sms etc), as well as the document folder. The other option is to use the "device upgarde" functionality of Sprite Backup, but for that to work, you will need to make an image of the machine with the new rom I believe, and without anything installed. (but for that you need to check the manual).
You should never restore a full backup, since you will be restoring parts of the old ROM in the process.

I only use Sprite backup as a fall-back in case of a problem with a Rom update.
Even if you select the "allow upgrades" option, it can overwrite some of the data that you have just changed in the upgrade.
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps........Later
quote="jofeuerstein" ]Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
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Here is how I see it: Any file that is not ROM-based will be pulled by Sprite Backup.
Even though a hard-reset will reload all the Extended ROM CAB files, they are still in the Storage/Program Memory and can still be replaced, deleted, etc. They are supplemental to the ROM files from the CE ROM core.
A good experience is when I upgraded to Build 3900 on my Extended ROM and restored a Sprite Backup file afterwards and noticed it went back to 3500. The BT*.* files in the Windows directory were backed up, and thus restored, overwriting the work done by the Extended ROM load.
The best thing to do is "move along" your backup file with your upgrades.
If you decide to recook your Extended ROM, upgrade CAB files or builds, then keep that upgrade CAB file handy to run again. I would highly recommend using a program such as OCP Software's WinCE CAB Manager to look into the CAB files you are replacing to see what files and registry entries get directly affected.
Bottom line method for me is 1. backup your PPC, 2. update the Extended ROM, 3. hard-reset, 4. restore the PPC, 5. reapply any new CABs from the Extended ROM, 5. rebackup the PPC.
By the way, the Upgrade works especially well when you have a new CE ROM that has new ROM files, such as Windows Media Player 10 (if and when it comes out). According to the instructions on Sprite's site, you run the Upgrade utility on the clean (hard-reset) image with the OLD ROM, perform the upgrade, then restore your backup WITH the Upgrade Data.

Thank you. Sounds very logical. A complicated process, but it beats reconfiguring the MDA after an Update by several hours ...
Good that all the people who envy us for our "MDAIII" don't know how much time we waste getting these machines to work ....

hdbueller said:
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps......
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you mean copy the "program files" folder to SD-card and the load it back ? or how :?:

You can copy all the CAB files from the C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync folder onto the SD card for safekeeping, or look for a program called CabBackup, which has been proven useful in many a situation.

How to make a full-backup for TyTNII?

Hi, I'm looking for full backup method of my TyTNII before playing new application installration as my insurance...
Because sometimes system freezed during my trial, especially trial of Japanese charactor installation. (We can not go to Windows Mobile screen from hTC logo page , so I have to system reset (2 Function keys + Reset)...then retry everything...>_<
I offen use Ghost for my PC to make a backup.
Do we have any idea of making backup for TyTNII such as Ghost?
Your ideas I appreciate!

I'am use spb backup, option full... bye
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/?it

Also Sprite Backup 6.1 works nice in Kaiser WM6... i think better than SPB one... but only for me

I can personally attest that SPB Backup is a lifesaver. I was able to totally restore my Tilt last night after somehow managing to erase virtually everything.

Thanks all
I tried Spb last night, then could make a backup!
Thanks!!

I like Spirit Backup 6, which works really nice.

I have Sprite and Spb, my vote is Sprite. Although there is nothing wrong with Spb, Sprite gives me more options. Like backing up to the desktop.

When Sprite says it's going to "reset the device"....what does this mean? I don't want wipe everything off of the phone.
Also, how does it connect to the PC?
TIA

Sprite does a soft reset on your phone before it starts a backup, no it doesn't wipe your phone, just a normal soft reset. I'm guessing it does this just to make sure there are no programs running that can screw up the backup..
I too can attest to how well Sprite works. I've been using it since version 3 and I must say that version 6 works GREAT with the Tytn/Kaiser/Tilt. I by mistake half installed the MS Framework services (Don't do that!! ) and had to restore from backup which worked perfectly!
Now I'm not sure if this is a function of Sprite, or ActiveSync, but once you restore with this version you won't have to fully sync again which saves you from getting duplicate contacts,calendar events. With the older version you'd always need to do a full sync and ran into the issue with duplicate info..
Good luck!
-RT

OK, it resetting now.................
Now, it's backing up...............wow, 44.1M
Resetting again................
It worked! Backed up to storage card.
Thanks A Lot,
CR

With Spb, you can, using active sync, copy your backup file from your PPC storage card, to the hard drive of your PC. Then, if necessary, you can reverse and have a backup that you can use to restore in the event that you lose your micro storage card, or that it becomes corrupt.

prubin said:
With Spb, you can, using active sync, copy your backup file from your PPC storage card, to the hard drive of your PC. Then, if necessary, you can reverse and have a backup that you can use to restore in the event that you lose your micro storage card, or that it becomes corrupt.
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Thanks. I'll be hitting the road today, but will try it this week sometime.

Does Sprite and/or SPB make an "image". Or is it just backing up "data"? Is the only way to make an "image" of your device to custom cook a ROM?

I use Sprite back-up...spb works good but the last time I used spb it didn't offer an option to restore after a ROM upgrade...don't know if spb added this feature but that's the only reason why I would choose Sprite over spb...

I use Sprite BackUp,very good program and restoring between different ROM versions or different devices.

Where to Find Sprint Backup Application
I just found this thread doing a search on Ghost programs and I'm wondering if someone could tell me where to go to get Sprite Backup?
Thanks!!

bookluvr4u said:
I just found this thread doing a search on Ghost programs and I'm wondering if someone could tell me where to go to get Sprite Backup?
Thanks!!
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Sorry! Just noticed the Sprint in the title. Meant to say Sprite!

Hi
I have a AT&t Tilt
Sprite backup makes backup & creates Icons on Sd cards
I want to know Can we back up our cell phone useing the Older
back up than the recent one ?
Cos my Device shows very little free space
& it could be cos i have been trying all kinds of differnt software
Or is there a Way to make a Device clean up,
Like we do on our PC -Disk clean up
which Removes - Temporary Internet Files, etc
Thank you for your Help

I go into the file menu and delete them there.

chasr11 said:
I go into the file menu and delete them there.
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HOW ??
plz explain step by step
Start/ setting/ then...........

Camera not working anymore

Hi,
i flashed the TOFCLOCK HIMA WM6 AKU.0.7.0 Fresh
upgrading from WM5.
After that I restored a Sprite-Backup that I made from
WM5 to get all my Apps up and running.
Everything works fine so far, only the camera-button is
not working. It says "Error opening the shortcut or locating
the target filename".
I tried to reconfigure the button under Start->Settings->Button
but there I cannot find the Camera Application???
It is gone somehow. I also dont find it with file-explorer.
Can someone tell me the NAME of the Application, where it should
be located? \Windows - folder I guess???
And can I separately install it, do I only need the exe or also some
dlls.
Can someone provide me the files?
Thanks in advance for any help
Greetings

did u hard reset it after Flashing
the NO,YES,YES Way

Yes, I did this.
I also checked the camera BEFORE applying my Sprite-Backup
and it worked there.
Unfortunately I did not check the filename of the camera app
or saved it.
It is a bit strange since I dont know exactly how sprite backup
applies its backup...
Also I dont want to redo the complete flashing process since
my sprite backup is not up to date right now and my pc for
syncing is at my workplace...
So my Idea was to just "reinstall" the camera app or just
copy the files to the pocketpc to get it working again.

The problem is your backup..u say that u made the backup from Wm5 and restored it to WM6....Even windows has some limitations...WM5 Is a lot different then Wm6.U cant run WM5 Backup on WM6..my advise is that u hard reset it and then see if its working

I know that sprite backup causes the problem.
but I use some apps (financial and business organization)
that I dont know how they store their data on the pocketpc
and they dont sync anymore with vista and new windows
mobile center.
Currently spritebackup is the only way I get them to work again
on WM6 ;-) so I need to apply it.
Since I dont have any other problems right now beside the
camera I am pretty happy with WM6 on my "old" device.
I dont need camera very often but every now and then it
comes in quite handy.
I guess I wait till i come back to my workplace next year,
make a current sprite backup then reinstall WM6, save camera app,
apply sprite backup, apply camera app ...
and see if it is working.

Hi, tschombe
go 2
windows\start Menu\Programs\camera.lnk
the shortcut should read
:MSCAMERA?shellres.dll,-8263
then soft reset

first copy the shortcut from ur ppc to pc and drag it on a notepad..their u will see what hesham wroted..if it doesent match..fix it..and overright the shortcut by copying it back

sorry, I was on vacation for a while.
I tried the above solution, there was NO shortcut, so I created
a new one with notepad and copied it to my ppc
Now I have a shortcut that opens FileExplorer on the root folder,
when I tab the shortcut?

Weird worry with trusted certificates

Hi,
i needed to restore my device from a backup with Sprite version 6.2.2(upgrade full version not the light one coming with my stock rom) ,
when a strange event occured:
After the restore and the device's reboot all none pre-installed(thoses present in stock roms) softwares werent able to be launched,
i had a message " not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found"
and if i cliked on "yes", i had another message like "pocket informant failed to launched /Or editor unknown" and that with all the soft i had installed since my kaiser purchasing(voice command(from MS !)pocket mechanics , phm regedit, even sprite backup).
I tried the xdadevelopper kaiser tweak.exe and advanced schapps configuration tool(to tweak the "none trusted cabs installation security" but both refused to "run"(kaiser tweak) or be installed (schapp's) from my sdcard and so tried to run an install from my
pc of "phm regedit" but windows mobile center 6.1(under vista) gave me an error "unable to install/install failed" like if all my device was 'read only'
or if no "administrator privileges" were given to me on the device(from laptop or its sdcard).
ps:i wasnt able to merge(double tap) even a registry backup made on my sdcard before or install the SDK certs cab file .
So from my backup folder on my sdcard(where i had 3 different backups with 3 different dates), i tried to run the backup.exe(s), but i had the same worries(the exe wasnt able to be launched).
I decided to wipe out all datas via 'parameters/system/wipe' all datas"(kind of "soft" hardreset) (reboot+"device's first use configuration")and run the backup from the sdcard without any luck.
(the restore is done but at the device start i had many errors like "Pi calendar failed to launch", "voice command" etc
the only way to retrieve my device was to wipe out all datas
like just above and launch a restore from sprite backup on my laptop
(i had to reconnect/disconnect/reboot from usb my device +wmc 6.1 close/"re-launch", 2 or 3 times, in order to be able to restore it)
What i dont understand, last week i had to do a full restore from one of my backups (from sd card ) and it worked(no certificate worry and without prior wipe out) :
So when i wipe out all the kaiser and launch a restore from sdcard
why do i have a worry with "trusted certificates" as the backup is an image
of what was working(when created), it's as if some registry parts or "certificates"(dont know what kind of files, it is) were missing
why?
any idea replies will be welcome !
thanks in advance

Hi, I had the Problem today,too... when Sprite Backup fails oder something like that, then all no plugged-in certificates are away.
I don't know, where I could restore them - some people who had the same problem didn't found any help by restoring a former backup.
But there's a (little bit annoying) solution WITHOUT Hard-Reset :
1. At first you need a Registry Editor - and I think your Registry Editor won't work, too - because of the certificate.
So - Reinstall it
2. Then go to the Key HLKM\Security\PromptExclusionList and erase everything (except from DEFAULT). So that Registry-Directory is empty.
Now there are the thirst-party-Certificates are no more known from Windows Mobile
3. Now go to your Programs in Programms-Menue which didn't worked... you will be prompted everytime because of the certificate - and confirm it with yes... and you have the certificate for further times
When you have very much programs installed... then you will have very much to confirm... but after a Hard-Reset... I think that's much more mork, isn't it? Especially when you have a special theme (I love the black theme for 1.93)...
Hope it works fine, too. And I'll have a look for another Backup Tool, which makes Backups and doesn't destroy certificates
Greets from Germany
Pierre

Hey,
Just had this problem too, no one seems to have written the solution about this. I had to do a hard reset my certificates were also missing, also I was unable to remove installed programs via remove programs. Using HTC Touch HD with stock WM6.1 and upgraded Radio 1.12.25.16.
The back up was made by SunnySoft 3.7 and was a self executed one, which I did once the hard reset was completed. However, I found if I then reinstalled SunnySoft via Active Sync and then restored the backup again this solved the certificate problem but not the uninstall one.
I am now trying a new hard reset and then install SunnySoft before I restore anything, hopefully this will work.

No joy with the backup. The problem with the certificates was because SunnySoft program wasn't restoring the whole backup (I guess due to its size), works better when files restored bit by bit.
However, everything appears to be fine until I try to Remove installed software...Nothing I can do allows me to remove anything from the program list, just says it wasn't uninstalled properly do I want to remove it from the list (but doesn't). I can't even reinstall the software to fix it, just fails install.
Is there anyway to rebuild the program list or reinitalise the list to install over the top again and allow items to be uninstalled? Where are these settings located?
Failing that, I'll want to rebuild the system from scratch, but I need to know where the contacts and SMS messages are located in the system (so I can at least keep these).
Thanks for any assistance in advance. By the way, what is the best backup software which works for WM6.1???
Solution...
Moved on a bit with this (sorry if no one is interested in my self replies but this might help someone with the same issue)
The Remove Programs seems to end up in two different states:
1) Blank and new installs fail 2) Populated but programs can not be removed but new installs work (This state we can work with).
I think to get to state 2 the difference is installing Sunnysoft Backup after the Hardrest via active sync (I guess this helps it initialise the Remove Programs list).
Restore Data:
As mentioned before if the Restore doesn't work in one go (mine is about 50Mb compressed) then only restore the files (all except windows/internal store/registry/database), this gets a good chunk out of the data out of the way (the system resets after which is why we purposely miss out anything which effects what runs on the system). Now restore all the "folders" within windows (except appdb/AppMgr/Start Menu/Start Up/System and files within Windows), again this avoids anything new running without everything being ready when it restarts. Finally, restore the Database, Registry, Internal Storage and any remaining folders & files within windows. If you don't get certificate issues and the Remove Programs is populated it is ok to move on to the next bit.
Remove Programs:
This problem here is the SunnySoft backup defaults to not including tmp files. Unfortunately the registry references to tmp files stored in Windows\AppMgr\{appname}\ which are now no longer there (THANK YOU SO MUCH!!), this is what is stopping the program from being removed or reinstalled correctly.
1. Look up the name of the tmp file in the registry: HKLM\Security\AppInstall\{appname}\Uninstall\
2. Copy an old tmp file with the correct name i.e.1001.tmp in Windows\AppMgr\{appname}\. NOTE: Install a new program, copy it's tmp file. Then uninstall the new program again.
3. You can also note down the references to the other files if you don't have the original install (but this won't be the cleanest way).
4. You can now go ahead and remove the program from Remove Programs List.
5. Finally remove the files you noted or reinstall the program (and uninstall as you would before if required)
How stupid.

Looking for a BU/Restore app that will do a "true restore".

Yes, I searched and couldn't find an answer.
This is what I'd like to do:
1) Back up everything on my phone.
2) Flash and play with different ROMs
3) Flash back the original ROM.
4) Restore the system to what it was..file by file EXACTLY what it was.
Now, before you say "SPB Backup", I'm using that. It works very nicely but it doesn't do a "true restore". It only adds new files and overwrites updated files. It doesn't delete files that aren't in the backup image. So SPB isn't quite what I need.
I wish to find a BU/Restore app that will put the system back *exactly* the way it was. Add new files, overwrite updated files and delete files that aren't in the backup image. IE: A "true restore".
Thanks

I don't think any backup utility will erase files for you; you need to do it yourself. If you want something automated, it's pretty easy to write a set of mortscripts that will delete all of the crap you want to get rid of regularly. It would probably take you an hour or two to get a script that would deleted a hundred or so files.

Fred Doolie said:
Yes, I searched and couldn't find an answer.
This is what I'd like to do:
1) Back up everything on my phone.
2) Flash and play with different ROMs
3) Flash back the original ROM.
4) Restore the system to what it was..file by file EXACTLY what it was.
Now, before you say "SPB Backup", I'm using that. It works very nicely but it doesn't do a "true restore". It only adds new files and overwrites updated files. It doesn't delete files that aren't in the backup image. So SPB isn't quite what I need.
I wish to find a BU/Restore app that will put the system back *exactly* the way it was. Add new files, overwrite updated files and delete files that aren't in the backup image. IE: A "true restore".
Thanks
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There is indeed a way to do this and as you said SPB Backup won't do it.
If you want to stick with SPB - then there is SPB Clone.
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/clone/
There is another one that came out recently Sprite Clone
http://www.spritesoftware.com/products/sprite-clone
I've used SPB Clone quite a bit in the past and it's always worked great. I have Sprite Clone but I haven't tried using it yet (no need at this time) - but this one might actually be better because it supports wm 6.5 and I don't think the other does yet.
There is a trial version of the Sprite Clone one here: http://www.spritesoftware.com/products/clone/clone-trial-request
and a trail version of the SPB clone one here:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/clone/download.html
So that's the good news. The bad news is how much it costs - yer lookin at 300 bucks.

I use SPB Backup but just hard reset the phone before using the standalone restorer.

You know, you should try out sk tools backup (comes with sk tools). I've used it a few times recently, and it will remove files that weren't present during the original backup procedure. I've seen it remove links in the startup folder and also remove files from the root of the storage system. I'd say it's pretty close to what you want, and you may already have it.

Farmer Ted said:
You know, you should try out sk tools backup (comes with sk tools)
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I will second the motion for SK Tools Backup. Once you make a backup file it copies an exe to the same folder for restoration purposes. When you need to do a full restore, hard reset your device and run the backup program that was created along with the backup file. It sets EVERYTHING back to the way things were.