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Hi all,
Im considering getting a Blueangle, the processor speed is 400MHz so im gussing its pretty fast? I currently have a Prophet and the specs of the phone look very similar.
Anyways I mainly use my Prophet for music and have a HBH-DS970. How well does the Blue Angle handle A2DP? Has anyone manage to get this headset working with this device?
Im not too worried about WM5 or WM6, which ever runs the fastest with a2dp.
Also can this device be overclocked? Does it give any RAM problems?
Thanks
Processor i fast enough to handle virtually all tasks - never needed to overclock (and yes, it's possible to reach 500MHz, and even 600MHz on some BAs). As it's possible to run WM5/WM6, if you take into account it has 128MB of RAM, this seems to be really nice device. But... Here we come to Bluetooth. A2DP and AVRCP work fine, but you have to remember about range, that is... VERY (and I really mean VEEEERY) limited in BA. In most cases if you have BA in your backpack, you can forget about listening to music. I used HP, creative and Plantronics Plusar A2DP headsets and all work fine, apart from the range. You cannot expect more than 1m of effective range in free air. If you keep your BA in a belt pouch (especially if you have a coat on you), expect a lot of cutting and broken connections.
This is the only device I know with such problems with range.
thanks for the info!
From a spec point of view this device seems excellent but the BT issues would be a major deal breaker for me
Ok my friend has brought his BA into work and its looks fantastic!
Im REALLY tempted to get one of these, at present my Prophet is really annoying me in terms of volume. The speak is just too low.
The keyboard on the BA seems really nice and the screen is fantastic!
Im going to upgrade his to WM6 and test the bluetooth range. If the device can be placed in a case on my belt and bluetooth stereo works then im really considering getting one of these. Has anyone tested this?
Just noticed it doesnt have a mini usb port on the bottom. Not sure how i feel about this at the mo
ceanth said:
Im going to upgrade his to WM6 and test the bluetooth range. If the device can be placed in a case on my belt and bluetooth stereo works then im really considering getting one of these. Has anyone tested this?
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The bluetooth is one of the weaknesses of the Angel. It's known to have range problems. Search the forums for examples of this to get a feel for it's limits.
ceanth said:
Just noticed it doesnt have a mini usb port on the bottom. Not sure how i feel about this at the mo
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Just wondering, why is this an issue? The hermes has a non-standard mini-usb port as well, same as the Angel.
ok ive got my friends BA working with a WM6 rom and noticed wifi issues and some stability issues
We are going to try WM5 roms but just wanted to know what the general opionion was on the stability of the device also how people felt about these wifi issues.
Stability for me would be the main priority over battery life (which people have been saying isnt too great)
Still not sure whether i should get one
ceanth said:
ok ive got my friends BA working with a WM6 rom and noticed wifi issues and some stability issues
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Can you give an example? I've found WM6 to be very stable on mine.
ceanth said:
We are going to try WM5 roms but just wanted to know what the general opionion was on the stability of the device also how people felt about these wifi issues.
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...and I found WM5 to not be as stable as WM6.
Which wifi 'issues' are you referring to? Aside from the lack of range (a known issue with the angel hardware), I've not had any issues with mine.
jakubd said:
Processor i fast enough to handle virtually all tasks - never needed to overclock (and yes, it's possible to reach 500MHz, and even 600MHz on some BAs). As it's possible to run WM5/WM6, if you take into account it has 128MB of RAM, this seems to be really nice device. But... Here we come to Bluetooth. A2DP and AVRCP work fine, but you have to remember about range, that is... VERY (and I really mean VEEEERY) limited in BA. In most cases if you have BA in your backpack, you can forget about listening to music. I used HP, creative and Plantronics Plusar A2DP headsets and all work fine, apart from the range. You cannot expect more than 1m of effective range in free air. If you keep your BA in a belt pouch (especially if you have a coat on you), expect a lot of cutting and broken connections.
This is the only device I know with such problems with range.
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about the range, i must say YEEEEES! if i wear a thick coat, put BA in inside pocket, then i have to connect the headset EVERY FIVE MINITES OR MORE FREQUENTLY!
Good and bad news about this. The radio works, with headphones that have an FM antenna! Yay!
But
The reception is bad...
and I mean, BAD. Cuts in and out of local stations that I always get 100% signal from a car or any other radio.
Mine works great and I'm 50 miles north of Atlanta.
TwistedTJ said:
Mine works great and I'm 50 miles north of Atlanta.
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You also don't have an AT&T Touch Pro...
Hmmm, the phone obviously recognises the headset is plugged in, but do you defiinitely have the right one?
Mine only works properly with the HTC S300 headset (Diamond and Raphael standard ones). When I tried it with my old Kaiser/Hermes headset, I only got faint radio, and a lot of static...
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Hmmm, the phone obviously recognises the headset is plugged in, but do you defiinitely have the right one?
Mine only works properly with the HTC S300 headset (Diamond and Raphael standard ones). When I tried it with my old Kaiser/Hermes headset, I only got faint radio, and a lot of static...
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Not sure if it's the identical set that came in the box, but I bought it from expansys and it's specifically noted to be for the HTC Touch Pro and include an FM radio antenna... I don't know beyond that.
Black93300ZX said:
You also don't have an AT&T Touch Pro...
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No but I do have an HTC Touch Pro and I would think the FM radio would be the same as yours.
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No but I do have an HTC Touch Pro and I would think the FM radio would be the same as yours.
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Unfortunately, Black's AT&T Touch Pro didn't come with any radio software installed, or a headset, so he's starting from scratch...
I don't think anyone is selling the official Diamond/Pro headset yet, but I would assume that any HTC headset with an antenna should work, so I'm at a bit of a loss, as the software seems to be working and picking up some sort of signal.
Perhaps there actually is an antenna connection between the receiver and the headset that is inside the HTC Touch Pro, but was left out of the AT&T version?
This is likely wishful thinking, but I am thinking that the fact that the AT&T hardware contains the FM receiver is further evidence that the hardware is identical to the HTC standard issue units and, inferentially, that the Touch Pro's 3G radio will be identical as well.
matchtrader said:
This is likely wishful thinking, but I am thinking that the fact that the AT&T hardware contains the FM receiver is further evidence that the hardware is identical to the HTC standard issue units and, inferentially, that the Touch Pro's 3G radio will be identical as well.
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Haha, identical?
1) Different model names
2) No front camera
3) Different keyboard
4) Push to talk button
It's just wishful thinking. We're all assuming/hoping the UMTS radios will all be there, but don't say the radio working is any hint of that. ;-)
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This is likely wishful thinking, but I am thinking that the fact that the AT&T hardware contains the FM receiver is further evidence that the hardware is identical to the HTC standard issue units and, inferentially, that the Touch Pro's 3G radio will be identical as well.
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Even if the hardware is identical and he is using the Radio software designed for Europe/Asia, then the software might be designed to pick up the even numbered bands (102.2, 99.8 etc). The radio stations in North America use odd numbered frequencies (102.1, 99.1 etc). Hence the terrible quality. Just a possibility.
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Even if the hardware is identical and he is using the Radio software designed for Europe/Asia, then the software might be designed to pick up the even numbered bands (102.2, 99.8 etc). The radio stations in North America use odd numbered frequencies (102.1, 99.1 etc). Hence the terrible quality. Just a possibility.
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Well, the other guy here (ATL area or wherever) said he gets fine reception, and that's with a european touch pro... So I don't know why it would be different for mine.
Might be because it's a different headset, who knows. Maybe someday I'll throw another $30 towards the ones that came with the phone.
Black93300ZX said:
Haha, identical?
1) Different model names
2) No front camera
3) Different keyboard
4) Push to talk button
It's just wishful thinking. We're all assuming/hoping the UMTS radios will all be there, but don't say the radio working is any hint of that. ;-)
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All of these are peripherals. Sorry if I was not precise enough in my post, but there has been much speculation on the boards by a lot of very credible folks that the internal radios and chipsets on these units are identical.
I was going to say something smart about your attitude but I won't.
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All of these are peripherals. Sorry if I was not precise enough in my post, but there has been much speculation on the boards by a lot of very credible folks that the internal radios and chipsets on these units are identical.
I was going to say something smart about your attitude but I won't.
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Well I appreciate you not saying anything smart, that'd be a tragedy. As for the speculation of hardware, I'm fully aware of what's been questioned. All I'm saying is that the FM radio has as much to do with the UMTS radios as the PTT button and the keyboard, we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same but I don't think this should help that argument.
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Well I appreciate you not saying anything smart, that'd be a tragedy. As for the speculation of hardware, I'm fully aware of what's been questioned. All I'm saying is that the FM radio has as much to do with the UMTS radios as the PTT button and the keyboard, we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same but I don't think this should help that argument.
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Hmmm, fm radio -- internal component, keyboard and PTT buttons -- peripheral and external. I am guessing logic is not your strong suit? Sorry for the tragedy.
By the way, if "we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same" (and who is "we"?) then why the smart-alek comment in the first place? Never mind; don't answer that. I think from the other threads on the forum it is pretty clear why.
matchtrader said:
"we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same"
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Sorry, by "we" I was referring to everyone I've spoken with from the forum who's done research regarding the subject. I spoke with one person who told me he saw a Q&A session with HTC's CEO regarding the Diamond, and something was said to the effect of "the US radio and MicroSD slot had to be removed to make it as small as it is..."
That would be pretty valid information towards saying the US radio should be present in the European Touch Pro.... The fact that I can listen to music on it, to me, isn't. But honestly I don't want to start anything, I'm on thin ice with the mods now as it is. I apologize for any rash comments and let's just be friends.
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Hmmm, fm radio -- internal component, keyboard and PTT buttons -- peripheral and external. I am guessing logic is not your strong suit? Sorry for the tragedy.
By the way, if "we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same" (and who is "we"?) then why the smart-alek comment in the first place? Never mind; don't answer that. I think from the other threads on the forum it is pretty clear why.
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Last time i checked the hardware for FM radio, and for cellular signal were not the same. If it were then why would you need the headphones in order to receive a signal, think about it. I do think it's far more likely that they cripple the abilities through software than by stripping out the hardware functions. If the test unit that Black has is able to start working with a simple cab addition then it is likely that scenario will continue with the official models.
I also will say that there is no need for the snarky attitude so many users seem to have here. It is not necessary to mock someone simply because they disagree with you. No matter how many time it gets said it seems that nobody listens...but here goes again "treat other members with respect" always!
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But honestly I don't want to start anything, I'm on thin ice with the mods now as it is. I apologize for any rash comments and let's just be friends.
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Good cause then we'd have to find someone else with an AT&T touch pro to pester with questions.
"If it were then why would you need the headphones in order to receive a signal"
Just for information - On all phones that have a radio, the wired headphones are always needed for the aerial. This is becuase the antenna in the device is not capable of receiving FM transmissions due to the wavelength of the signal. FM at approx 100MHz has a much larger wavelength thant the GSM signal (900 - 2100Mhz) and hence requires the larger aerial.
Black93300ZX said:
Well, the other guy here (ATL area or wherever) said he gets fine reception, and that's with a european touch pro... So I don't know why it would be different for mine.
Might be because it's a different headset, who knows. Maybe someday I'll throw another $30 towards the ones that came with the phone.
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Have you tried to tune into different stations? When you do scan for stations, does it let you scan the odd numbered ones? Can you manually enter the frequency for a specific radio station? Sorry, I dont have a Touch Pro or a Diamond myself so I cant do these tests.
This is probably a stupid question, but if the wired headphones are used as the antenna, does that mean that Bluetooth headphones can't be used to listen to the radio? There was a review on pocketnow that suggested that wireless headphones could be used (though I wonder if there's some specific HTC set they're referring to). I'm just curious.
ardsar said:
"If it were then why would you need the headphones in order to receive a signal"
Just for information - On all phones that have a radio, the wired headphones are always needed for the aerial. This is becuase the antenna in the device is not capable of receiving FM transmissions due to the wavelength of the signal. FM at approx 100MHz has a much larger wavelength thant the GSM signal (900 - 2100Mhz) and hence requires the larger aerial.
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That was my point actually, because the person i was replying to was insistent that the cell radio had something to do with the FM Radio, which they really don't. sorry if that was unclear.
Hi
Just wanted to ask if fm radio is working ok for you, my experience is no to good reception wise
I've used htc, apple and Samsung earphones but listening to the radio station is a terrible experience it's a constant crackling sound interrupted by some music
Also the sound quality from htc supplied headphones is kinda poor
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Thank God for Internet radio stations
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Depends probably on the type of your headphone. I am a FM Radio addict our local FM stations here have way so much perks that listening to them would entertain your the whole day(yeah it's not just plain music here)
artiik said:
Hi
Just wanted to ask if fm radio is working ok for you, my experience is no to good reception wise
I've used htc, apple and Samsung earphones but listening to the radio station is a terrible experience it's a constant crackling sound interrupted by some music
Also the sound quality from htc supplied headphones is kinda poor
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Thank God for Internet radio stations
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For me its good. No problems here. My onkyo av receiver with antenna struggles more to get a good receipton then the one (same room).
The supplied headset is poor? I think they are quite good for supplied ones (but i have better ones).
Edit: If i hold it near the top of the phone the receipton seems to break down. Also if my hand is near the start of the headphone cable
That's what I am saying, the radio should work ok with earphones supplied but not in my case, if I put my s3, s2, and htc one next to each other and turn fm radio on on all of them the samsungs work ok but htc one not so hence the question -how's yours fm radio performance out of the box
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FM radio performance (signal sensitivity) is chronic. Fortunately I ditched the One (for various reasons) and now get fantastic performance from the XZ and XZL. HTC need to design the thing correctly if they offer it. The HTC One S was similarly crap.
I called T-Mobile and had them look into the FM chip in the nexus 6. They told me that the nexus 6 does have the FM chip but they will not active it. Does anyone have a patch that actives the chip? This is the website that made me aware that this phone can play FM stations.
http://freeradioonmyphone.org/
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Wow, that would be awesome. I'd love to listen to baseball games at work.
Links to the FCC reports for the N6 are here and here. There is no mention of an FM radio. You can also see the iFixIt teardown here. They also did not mention an FM radio.
As much as I would like there to be an FM radio in the N6, I think this is more likely a case where the CSM you spoke with was mistaken or the information available to the CSM is incorrect.
They called me back after researching it. They started off by telling me no it did not have it. After they researched they said yes it does. They also told me other providers will active it but not T-Mobile
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That might be partly true. Many chipsets these days are multipurpose. I'll use my old Nook Color as an example, because it had a WiFi chipset that did, in fact, include a Bluetooth transceiver. The device's hardware, however, had zero provisions for it. Developers figured out how to turn it on, but without the supporting hardware, Bluetooth range was less than 32 inches, nevermind 32 feet.
I'll wager if it's true, it's the same case with the N6. It very well may have a chip capable of receiving FM radio. That does not, by any means, suggest that it has the required hardware to use it. I doubt very much it has any supporting hardware or antennas to use FM radio.
Who uses FM radio anyways when you can use an app like TuneIn Radio and listen over data without reception issues?
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Who uses FM radio anyways when you can use an app like TuneIn Radio and listen over data without reception issues?
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People with data limits.
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I mostly use Tunein Radio Pro on wifi.
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Apparently the 805 Snapdragon SoC does support FM support, but there is more to it than that.
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Who uses FM radio anyways when you can use an app like TuneIn Radio and listen over data without reception issues?
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People who listen to ballgames. The 30 second lag makes apps unusable at live sporting events.
Why would someone listen to a ballgame on the radio if they are there in person?
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Why would someone listen to a ballgame on the radio if they are there in person?
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Many people like to listen to the play by plan while they are at the game. Its very useful when you are really far back and can not see the players to well.
knitler said:
Many people like to listen to the play by plan while they are at the game. Its very useful when you are really far back and can not see the players to well.
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Wow I can see that.... but it must suck to buy tickets and go through all that to not even be able to enjoy the game without a radio...... You can get better at home on TV...
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I called T-Mobile and had them look into the FM chip in the nexus 6. They told me that the nexus 6 does have the FM chip but they will not active it. Does anyone have a patch that actives the chip? This is the website that made me aware that this phone can play FM stations.
http://freeradioonmyphone.org/
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AFAIK, having an FM chip on a phone doesn't mean you can receive FM radio transmissions on the phone b/c you need a proper FM antenna. The Nexus 6 only has 1 antenna on it and it is designed for use by the GSM/CDMA/LTE radios, not by an FM chip.
So like with a walkman/ipod, you would need to use the headphone wire as an FM antenna BUT AFAIK there would need to be a coupling b/t the headphone jack and the FM chip and there isn't unless the phone was designed to use the FM radio There is in some phones like the Moto G and Moto E, but the phone has to be designed to use the headphone wire as an antenna AFAIK.
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Many people like to listen to the play by plan while they are at the game. Its very useful when you are really far back and can not see the players to well.
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Also because in many cities, like Atlanta, the radio guys are just better than the "visual" guys. I often watch the game on tv but listen on WSB AM
One teardown I read (can't remember which) explained that the 805 comes with an FM chip, however there is no wiring from it to the headphone jack for antenna. There is also no system support included by Qualcomm to use it. Unlikely to get that working without serious hardware modification & software integration.
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One teardown I read (can't remember which) explained that the 805 comes with an FM chip, however there is no wiring from it to the headphone jack for antenna. There is also no system support included by Qualcomm to use it. Unlikely to get that working without serious hardware modification & software integration.
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Agreed
Sprint Nexus 6 Has FM Radio
The Nexus 6 on Sprint has the FM Radio activated out of the box. You can check the specs on the website, it is called NextRadio.
FM Radio
I'm in the broadcasting industry, and my radio colleagues say there's a conspiracy at work here. They swear that every cell phone made contains an FM radio receiver. But - carriers prefer you use data rather than free airwaves, so most block it.
I don't know if that's true. But I do have one piece of personal information.
I own the Sony Xperia Tablet Z. WiFi only. And yes, it has a built-in FM radio. Even has an app for 'FM Radio,' and it works like a charm. It apparently uses the headphone cord for the antenna.
Then I also bought the Xperia Tablet Z2, with Verizon LTE. And...there is no FM radio access at all. No app, no mention of it, anwhere.
As for the Nexus 6, a thought: aren't they all pretty much identical? So, if one has FM capability built in, won't they all?
Regardless, the issue is bigger than just this phone. The radio industry has been trying for years to get free radio on cell phones. But, it's just not going to happen on some providers, , since they make money on data. But for those that allow it? Bravo.
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The Nexus 6 on Sprint has the FM Radio activated out of the box. You can check the specs on the website, it is called NextRadio.
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Not according to nextradio it doesn't. nextradioapp.com/supported-devices
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I'm running Pure Nexus ROM on my Nexus 6, and the bluetooth radio seems very weak. Compared to my LG G3 and Samsung Galaxy S3, I get crackles on my bluetooth headset, and have to use it in the ear that is closest to the pocket I keep my Nexus in. The other phones work fine. I don't even have a case on my Nexus. This is beginning to be a deal killer for using the Nexus, as I spend lots of time on my bluetooth headset (A Plantronics Voyager Edge).
Is there any fix for this? Could I flash a different radio/modem and fix it? Or did I just get a bad Nexus, and I'll need to sell it, or get it fixed?
Help much appreciated.
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I'm running Pure Nexus ROM on my Nexus 6, and the bluetooth radio seems very weak. Compared to my LG G3 and Samsung Galaxy S3, I get crackles on my bluetooth headset, and have to use it in the ear that is closest to the pocket I keep my Nexus in. The other phones work fine. I don't even have a case on my Nexus. This is beginning to be a deal killer for using the Nexus, as I spend lots of time on my bluetooth headset (A Plantronics Voyager Edge).
Is there any fix for this? Could I flash a different radio/modem and fix it? Or did I just get a bad Nexus, and I'll need to sell it, or get it fixed?
Help much appreciated.
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I do not have that issue and those who run a custom rom do not either nor have reported. You did not give details about your phone or setup so I would first advise try to reflash the radio or a newer radio see if BT is better.
Radio: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/fxz-nexus-6-recovery-flashable-fastboot-t3066052
agreed, the range on the Nexus 6 sucks. I have the same issue with my earbuds
I thought so too. Till I bought some jaybirds bluebuds x. Now I can have my phone in my pocket, camel pack, baby pack and my son's stroller
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I do not have that issue and those who run a custom rom do not either nor have reported. You did not give details about your phone or setup so I would first advise try to reflash the radio or a newer radio see if BT is better.
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I am running the latest radio version, 5.32R. Baseband version MDM9625_104662.22.05.32R. Would it make sense to downgrade the radio? Or am I just chasing a fantasy that one of the radios will fix the weak bluetooth?
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I am running the latest radio version, 5.32R. Baseband version MDM9625_104662.22.05.32R. Would it make sense to downgrade the radio? Or am I just chasing a fantasy that one of the radios will fix the weak bluetooth?
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I don't think you have much to lose to experiment. Try different radio downgrading and or doing a full wipe and go full stock see if issue exist if you are on a custom rom. Just make needed backups to restore later.