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A stable configuration

Hello everyone,
I would like to start this new thread with a different purpose than trying to explorer the latest and gratest of releases of ROMs, extensions, software and patches.
I have tested many of the releases posted here and I have yet to find one that offer a rock solid unit that can be depended on in all situations.
What I would like is to put together a package based on the best of all available that offer the highest reliability available for our device.
It's very annoying to have to reset the device, somtimes more than one time in one day because you loose GPRS connectivety or because you turn on the WiFi card at an unlucky moment and lock up the device.
It's very annoying that you press the answer button repeatedly but have trouble picking up the rining phone.
It's very annoying that you try to make a call, but the phone keeps hanging up without making the call until you reset the phone subsystem.
It's very annoying that you pick up the device to make a call only to find that for some reason the phone has been locked up for hours with the screen on and now you are out of power and far away from your charger.
It's very annoying that your screen gets garbled and you find that you are unable to get the display back to normal without resetting the device.
It's very annoying that bluetooth more or less have turned out to be a marketing item only, since we have yet to se an implementation on the device that works (and maybe we never will)
If you agree with me or/and have experienced some or probably all of the above and have some input you would like to share on what is the best release, or have software and patched that have made a difference to you, then please contribute and maybe we could one day have a reliable operating system and software pack on our PDA that we can actually trust to handle the important task of keeping us connected to the rest of the information based world 24/7.
I hope many people will participate in this thread and that we can get to a release of software that we can all feel happy about, since it seems that none of the providers have been able to accomplish this task.
Michael

Fully agreed with you. And here is my BA config:
- MDA III with 1 Gb SD (Trandcent 80x)
- ROM 1.40 & radio 1.12
- Big storage - No Extended ROM
- Excluded nearly all software from WWE 1.40 ExtROM. Install only patched
Most apps are installed to storage :lol:
- Pocket Informant 2005 (In main memory)
- Pocket breeze 5 (In main memory)
- Pocket Player 2.6
- Sound Explorer 2005
- Pocket Navigator 2.74
- Sprite backup 3.1.4
- Mobile Pocket reader 5.0
- Total Commander 2.0
- Adobe Acrobat Reader 2.0 for PPC
- Tools: Cab Installer, vxUtils, Tascal Reg. Editor TRE 0.9, calculator, stop time ...
Full backup with Sprite backup 3.1.4, excutable archive file so that I can restore to a fully loaded system righ after hard reset. The backup is also in storage.
With this config the phone is very stable. On average 1 soft reset/week, mostly due to phone problem (I work in a building with very week GSM signal).

here here!
while ive not bothered to update for exactly one year now, i truely couldn't be bothered with the rom backup, new rom, install settings, settings restore, all to find out that... oh others are still having a problem with phones hanging/not connecting, because you used bluetooth and didn't reset before using gprs. of course, silly me!
right now i'm looking for a stable basic setup, with Tomtom 5 (bt gps mouse) and gprs useage... and possibly, using them together!
it does seem experimenting is only way to do so...

What a good idea - however, after one year of updating ROMs I do not think that there is a stable system for this device after all ...
I cannot use my Qtek for business because
- I am not sure whether I will miss a call because my Qtek somehow decides not to ring
- I am never sure whether I can finish a call decently (or the devices shuts down on its own)
And I am tired of resetting the device before and after
- using WLAN
- using BT
Currently, I am on
ROM 1.42.01 GER
Radio 1.12.00
ExtROM 1.42.116 GER
which still has all the flaws mentioned above.
This is the 4th different ROM I have installed (WWE, GER). I mainly use it for storing contact info and meetings.
A

I still wan't to try.
I'm using a configuration of 1.40 and 1.12. This is OK, but the phone app is still quite unstable and the device itself will hang. Most trouble seems to be when you press a key at an unlucky split second when the unit is trying to do something else, this often leads to lockups.
Does anyone have any input regarding the version numbers to use? Especially is 1.42 or 1.31 better than 1.40? and is 1.12 better than 1.13 or vice versa?
What about patches and registry hacks, what do you consider being a vital patch or hack to improva stability dramatically ... ? If any.
I hope to get some input from you guys that install every single thing and have gained allot of input on what works and what doesn't?
Michael

This combination seems to be vert stable for Scandinavians
I have had very good results so far with this combination:
BA_DT_WWE_NorwayRetail_14000_149_11200_Ship.exe
Then install:
86794-9090_radio_upgrade_1.15.00.zip
This is so far the bes experience I have had while I had the device.
Michael

Update
After a while, I have observed that I'm still having the GPRS connect problem and I have therefore installed the:
IA_CallerID_1.20_WWE.CAB
I will update my experience in a while. So far I like this combination, except that GPRS cinnection problem. I haven't had many other problems. There has been a little "flutter" around Blue Tooth and TomTom, If you try to start TomTom with BT disabled, you sometimes seem to grid lock until you re-boot.

Extended ROMs
Is it my imagination? The higher the extended ROM version the less stabillity? It seems to me that way. The more stuff they add, the less overall stability you get. Does anyone have a different experience?
Michael

jamcow said:
here here!
while ive not bothered to update for exactly one year now, i truely couldn't be bothered with the rom backup, new rom, install settings, settings restore, all to find out that... oh others are still having a problem with phones hanging/not connecting, because you used bluetooth and didn't reset before using gprs. of course, silly me!
right now i'm looking for a stable basic setup, with Tomtom 5 (bt gps mouse) and gprs useage... and possibly, using them together!
it does seem experimenting is only way to do so...
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i find that when upgrading to the new WM5 roms, that all my files, programs and settings, even contacts and messages are all still as i left them, i just put the device into bootloader and plonk into the cradle, then start upgrade 2 mins later its done, all new features and nothing that is usually backed up is changed.

The best stabillity so far
I'm still running with the configuration outlined in my previous posts. And it's pretty stable, the only problems I seem to be affected by are:
After 1 to 7 days the GPRS connection fails and I have to reset the device to get it working.
Rarely some applications and the phone gets in a bind somehow, probably by starting at the same time in an incompatible way and lock up the phone. I have to reboot the device to get out of that.
The phone part itself seems to be stable and I have no missing sound or low volume issues.
I had good bluetooth functionality, but since paring my device with my GPS I can't get the device to connect correctly to my headset. I will pair up and then when it tries to connect it fails. I'm unsure what that's about. I don't use the bluetooth headset much, so I haven't been bothered much by this, but I would ofcourse prefer if everything was working as you would expect it to!
I would upgrade my base ROM to 1.42, but my testing and experiences with that have been that it's more unstable than 1.40.
I'm even more convinced now that I'm right about the extended ROM thing, the higher the version of extended ROM to more problems (potential problems).
Any input on stability are very welcome, I would love to find a near perfect configuration where most things work 100% and all the time.
Michael

WM 5 vs WM 200SE, worth trying it? Please leave your comment

Hello everyone,
I have generated this post to get some feedback from those of you who may have upgraded your BAs from WM2003SE to WM5.0. I have been following all the updates rather close. All I can say is that Mamaich and Tuatara are 2 absolute heroes in my book. The latest (for those of you who are not sure of what verison of the rom is out there) TuMa v1.3 seems to be the cream of the crop at this point.
Anywho, what I would like to get from this post is feedback on the following (all of these are to be compared to WM2003SE, so keep that in mind when replying):
*Speed of the device
*Overall stability
*Issues (other than the infamous BT disconnect). BTW, we are counting on you for this, Mamaich and Tuatara. 8)
Keep in mind that I want to try to get a good comparison between the OS's. Please remember that the point is to inform people who, very much like myself, does not know squat about programming, but has some knowledge about certain things and want to upgrade to WM5 just because he/she can Personally, my SX66 works like an absolute charm with WM2003SE, but I am really curious as of the new capabilities of WM5 (and at the same time, I do not want to turn it into a brick with a sliding keyboard--- :? . --- --- --- R.I.P. MPx200 (after attempting to upgrade to WM5)
Anyway, any feedback on this will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks guys and may xda-developers live forever!!!!

Personally, I can't see many extra features of WM5 for what I use it for. The only difference for me in all honesty is the fact WM2003 is so ugly when you've used WM5.
Bluetooth is worse, not just the d/c problems but not as feature-full as yet. I miss being able to browse peoples devices etc.
The device becomes really lagged when you use Wi-fi and Media Player
Media Player has trouble with MP3's (not actually tested with wma) for the first minute or so while it buffers.
However, saying all this, I wouldn't go back. Despite WM2003's profound ugliness, the recent TuMa 1.3 works a treat and really feels secure, even securer than I felt with WM2003. The speed is excellent too, except when using Wi-Fi or using Media Player. TuMa 1.3 is also reeeaally easy to patch to your operator, all you need to do is open a command window (Start > Run > type cmd > navigate to the folder > then SetOperator <type your operator value next to it>.
Quite frankly, if you are even slightly eager to try it, you still wont really feel content until you do despite matter what we say. Just go out and try it and you shant want to go back!
Hope this helps!
Leo

now WM5 pack3.1 is very fast,i like it

My opinion is that the Bluengel gets very slow with WM5.. I'm considering to go back to WM2003 again...

My opinion is that the Bluengel gets very slow with WM5.. I'm considering to go back to WM2003 again...

is the keyboard repeating issue resolved?

alex_zou said:
now WM5 pack3.1 is very fast,i like it
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what pack 3.1????

I guess he meant v1.3. He just got it backwards, By the way, thank you all for the good feedback. Keep it coming though!!!

Hi,
The V1.3 rom is good and it's quite fast but I have had too many problems with the phone side to keep using it. These are the problems that I've peronally had which Have Forced me to go back to 2003:
1) Recieving phone calls. When some calls me it goes through to the voice mail but if they hang up and call me again it comes through.
2) Making phone calls. When I dial someone the call is immeadtly ended then I dial again and it take about 20-30s for the call to be dial and then it end the call after 1 min
3) When i run an application and close it the running tasks tells me it's still running.
These all seem to specific to my device as there are mayeb 1/2 other people with these problems(phone), one of whom has also gone back to 2003.
Just my 2 pence worth.
Thanks
satpal

I agree WM5 is cuttier and more steady. As of the new TuMa 1.3 upgrade, I've never seen my device so glad to run a ROM yet
IT'S REally feature-packed, even when I won't use all of the features. It felt very strong, stable and FAST!! (I don't notice the slowliness some others say, moreover it feels faster than with 2003), more than any other ROM I've tried to date. WOW WHAT A JOB!!
I'm having a problem with the phone where I can not get any sounds from the phone making, nor receiving calls. I can not hear or be heard using the loudspeaker. Using the Bluetooth headphone works, though. But, bluetooth is sooo weeak on this device (my impression) that for me is not really worth it. I was using a Nokia phone (80something) and the Bluetooth stack felts very strong and stable and, at the very least, you could hear the sound clearly, without the scratchs and noises I'm used to sort in a bluetooth conversation using my BA.
That's why I revert my BA to WM2003, to check if the problem was because of WM5 but, now, the problem persists, and I don't have so many other options...
Just a thought: if you wanna better Bluetooth thingie, don't go WM5: M$ stack is a crap... lacks everything...

it's definitelly worth trying... I like the usability and keyboard navigarion better... in 2k3, it is impossible to even close a simple gprs popup without touching screen where as in wm5 you can simply press right arrow key and enter to close it... there are plenty of small things which make it more usable for day to day usage
plus It gives you the courage to upgrade to a more steadier device with wm5 pre installed... like I bought universal after using BA for couple months

[edit] the WM5 version I tested was 1.3 TuMa.
My QTEK 9090 really didn't like WM5.
I love the look and feel, and particularly the MSN integration, but had to go back to 2003SE.
Do tell me if I missed anything that would fix the issues below and allow me to go back to WM5 :-
1 - SLOOOW. Some apps more than others, for example reading an SMS takes 5-6 seconds to open a 30 character message.
2 - Phone. Keypad very slow. Audio cuts out halfway through a call, seemingly at random.
The second point is what forced me to downgrade. If my smartphone is not a phone, then it's no use to me.
The last test I did with WM5 was using the 1.13 radio ROM. I've since updated it to 1.15. Has anyone seen any WM5 improvement with higher radio versions on PH20B hardware? I ask because I've been through the reflashing process so many times, I realise I am pushing my luck and will end up with a brick sooner or later.

What was your main reason for upgrading to WM5?

i upgraded to wm5 via tuma v1.3 and it's very slow compared to wm2003. tolerable i guess, but slow. I noticed it seems to have just as many wifi issues as wm2003 and honestly it doesn't look like much has changed.
There are a few nice things about it. Although, since i rely heavily on the wifi, for internet and remote dekstop, I'm thinking of going back to wm2003.
So my question is what are the main reasons you upgraded to wm5?

Hasn't it been discussed plenty-o-times?

the only thing i can find is wm5 = stable, slow and wm3 = stable, fast. But with all the problems of these custom roms i can't seem to figure out how it's more stable.

Well, the main reason of my upgrade was the persistant storage feature, really important for me!

willpower, did you extensively test WM5? I've upgraded to WM5 after having my BA for three days, and I'm not going to downgrade.

I'm with mandelbort, I'm about to go abroad for a couple of years and I may find myself far from power now and then. Getting a hard-reset when the battery died was always crazy in my mind.
The main reason why I'm staying (despite several problems) is the WAY better user interface. Simple things like notifications are light years ahead of WM2003 in terms of how you interact with them.
I started out on a Smartphone which has a great UI. Going to WM2003 was a step back, things like contacts and messaging lacked simple options like "reply", "call", "send text". Now on WM5 it's a lot more consistent and the context menus display useful options.

I agree with Fraser about the UI enchasements, but the 2 main reasons for me to upgrade to WM5 were Persistant Storage and improved stability, i have not reset my BA from more than a month (just once to install ivans latest rom)

Honestly, if it wasn't for persistant storage, I wouldn't be using WM5. But I'm the forgetful type, and it was a pain when I accidentaly let my Blue Angel run out of batteries and then had to restore my backups.
The slowness doesn't really bother me that much either. The first Blue Angel WM5 roms were much slower. The guys researching and developing editted roms are doing an excellent job.

willpower102 said:
i upgraded to wm5 via tuma v1.3 and it's very slow compared to wm2003.
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Tuma 1.3 is one of the slowest WM5 roms, this was fixed in 1.4 but that also contains many bugs, so either wait for 1.5 (stable + fast) or try another WM5 version like logouts or Ivans, both of which are much faster.

Why does everyone forget about ArtZ's ROMs?

because i've never heard of it , whats it like/based on?

_TB_TB_ said:
willpower, did you extensively test WM5? I've upgraded to WM5 after having my BA for three days, and I'm not going to downgrade.
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Three days? Doesn't sound like you tested wm3 too extensively
Seriously, when i first asked the question i'd only had the upgrade on their for a couple of days. I've pretty well become used to the speed issue. I'm about to install and try out the other versions of the roms tonight. it's nice to know that i can look forward to an increase in speed. I have noticed things like the notifications working much better. But i still have a couple of questions if i may:
1. The wifi doesn't want to connect to a secured network until after a hard reset. If i take the enryption off the router then it will connect after a soft reset.
[baground info] I was using wm3 with radio 1.12 and having similar connection issues. Then i upgraded to radio 1.15 and had a magnificent increase in the wifi stabiliy. It would always see new connections quickly and never had a problem refreshing or switching. until tuma v1.3 wm5.
Is this a covered issue? i've read alot but haven't found exactly what i need.
2. what is this about persistant storage? From what i've gathered wm5 doesn't loose all your settings and ?more? when the battery drains? I haven't searched yet, because i have to run, but i'll read up on that when i get back.
thanks!

ArtZ's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48215
I use the absolutely-first version with some tweaks In the beginning I've tested Ivan's ROM, but the video recording did not work. I did not try TuMa, cause people kept complaining about its speed (waiting for 1.5, which is supposed to be fast and stable). In ArtZ's ROM everything seems to be working just fine
willpower102 - during those three days I had 2 hard-resets (with battery fully charged) :| The MMS function did not work at all (I was unable to create MMS messages), no incomming calls were signaled (0 info on the phone, as if noone tried calling) :| . With WM5 I can do/receive calls, use MMSes, use GPRS, etc
Yes, I agree that WM5 is slow comparing to 2k3SE (my friend uses it in his BA and he does not complain; I've been playing with his unit alot - he made me get myself one ), but the benefits are quite significant (for me at least - see beginning of my post).

And regarding the 'persistent storage' - nothing is lost when the battery dies NOTHING (well, except the time settings when you keep the battery dead for too long )

First reports on the, now, GPS-enabled HTC Trinity

Did you know you can enable the GPS functionality in the new-generation Pocket PC phone, the HTC Trinity (HTC P3600) with a simple, easy, free ROM upgrade? Did you know the latest ROM upgrade offers a significantly lowered boot-in time and slightly decreased (albeit still very bad) A2DP CPU usage, more wireless icons (E for Edge) and, last but not least, SDHC compatibility? If you didn’t but would certainly enjoy the advantages of the built-in GPS unit and the other goodies of the new ROM, make sure you do the following:
download the SSPL-TRIN.zip utility linked in from the first post of this thread (note that you’ll need to register yourself in the XDA-Dev forums to be able to access the file)
download the new ROM upgrade from here (Pacific users may also want to give a try to this Chinese source to see if it’s faster)
decompress both files. From the first, transfer SSPL-TRIN.exe to your PDA and execute it there, after disconnecting your Trinity from your desktop. You’ll see the standard rainbow-color bootup screen.
now, start the large RUU_Trinity_DOPODASIA_WWE_1.23.707.6_6275_1.35.00.11_108_Ship.exe file on the desktop, press the OK / Update / Yes buttons until it gets to flashing the new ROM.
It worked for everyone so far. Note that if there is “Serial” at the bottom third of the rainbow bootloader screen of the Trinity, the desktop PC won’t likely to recognize it. Then, just reset the PDA and, after booting in, just restart SSPL-TRIN.exe. You’ll need to see “USB” for the PDA to be recognized.
Warranty issues
Note that, by upgrading, you MAY lose your warranty, depending on where you've initially purchased your Trinity from. However, as you can flash back a ROM of your operator any time (assuming they DO come out with any publicly available ROM version), this isn’t really an issue most of the time.
Also note that, as SSPL-TRIN doesn’t remove the CID lock (unlike with the older and expensive IMEI-Check service), you won’t have problems with the service folks because of the lack of the CID lock. This is also a huge advantage over the IMEI-Check method.
Advantages
I’ve already listed the major advantages of the new version; most importantly, the enabled GPS functionality. Having GPS support in your phone is just unbeatable. Note that you must use the port COM9:. Also note that you may not want to run for example iGo to find the GPS port automatically because it’ll spend a LOT of time in doing so – just give it COM9: right at the beginning, and you’re all set.
As has already been pointed out, the boot-in time has been significantly reduced between the initial HTC ROM version (1.15.405.5 dated 10/23/2006) and the this one (1.23.707.6, 02/08/2007); according to my tests, it’s 39 seconds now, as opposed to the original 45 seconds. Getting better and better (albeit still can't beat the 36 seconds of the AKU3 HTC Wizard!)
I’ve also made some serious benchmarks with the new version to see whether the problematic areas (digitizer handling, A2DP CPU usage) have been fixed. Unfortunately, they aren’t – read on to see what the problem is!
Acute problems with the HTC Trinity
The excellent XDA-Developers community, lately, has been complaining about two special issues regarding the HTC Trinity, the, in my opinion, best HTC 2.8” Pocket PC right now. Having just received a Trinity myself, I’ve thoroughly scrutinized these problems.
Touchscreen CPU usage issues
(Also see this thread)
Unfortunately, it seems all 2.8” WM5 HTC QVGA Pocket PC phones are particularly sensitive to long-pressing the touchscreen. While none of the other Pocket PC models I’ve tested (HP iPAQ 2210, HP iPAQ hx4700 running WM5, Dell Axim x51v , Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 720 and the HTC Universal) exhibited any increased CPU usage while constantly keeping the stylus down on the touchscreen, both the 2.8” WM5 HTC Wizard and the HTC Trinity did. The, otherwise, almost-zero CPU usage of gwes.exe raised, on the (non-overclocked) former, to around 17% and about 36% on the latter. This is why, for example, action games like K-Rally or Skyforce (Unlimited) will become next to unplayable when, as is recommended, played with the stylus.
This issue is the same in even the latest (Dopod) Trinity ROM version and should be addressed by HTC as soon as possible. It’s hopefully a driver issue and, therefore, can be fixed in software.
(Note that, again, different HTC phone models exhibit different level of excess CPU usage because of the problem. The new, quick Trinity suffers a lot from the bug, the older, “slow” Wizard suffers a lot less, particularly when it’s overclocked (when overclocked to 240 MHz, games like K-Rally become really enjoyable with the stylus). This, however, doesn’t mean ALL “old” (TI CPU-based) HTC phones fare much better than ALL “new” (Samsung CPU-based) HTC phones – other new, Samsung-based models may behave fat better in this respect.
I really hope HTC really soon addresses this issue as it’s almost completely renders some? several? of their models almost useless for stylus-based action gaming and unnecessarily increases the power consumption.)
A2DP CPU usage issues
Unfortunately, there is another major Achilles’ heel with all Trinity ROM’s released so far: the A2DP CPU usage.
While the built-in A2DP doesn’t consume much CPU cycles in the other HTC phones I’ve tested (for example, on the HTC Wizard, even at the original 195 MHz, it hardly exceeds 30%), the Trinity is an exception. When playing music via A2DP, the CPU usage when used in the default (mono) mode is 52.5%, in stereo mode, 49.5%. (With the original ROM version, the figures were 54% and 51%, respectively – as can be seen, the new version has slightly improved upon the situation, but it’s still much worse than with most other devices.) This is another issue HTC should look into as soon as possible, because it makes the device almost useless as an A2DP player.
(A quick note: the A2DP defaults to mono in this device. If you’re familiar with the Registry and have already read my older A2DP-related articles, you will know HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\Bluetooth\ A2DP\Settings\ UseJointStereo also introduced in my article The A2DP support & sound quality & power consumption of the Microsoft and Widcomm BT stack compared; a lot of new A2DP info. With the Trinity, it’s set to 1 by default; you’ll want to change its value to 0.
If you feel unsafe about editing the Registry, you can also use the excellent, free HTweakC tool. I highly recommend it for all Trinity, Wizard and TyTN users.)
Widcomm BT stack compliance?
Unfortunately, as was the case with the original HTC Trinity ROM, neither the Dell Axim WM5 x50/x51 / HTC Wizard nor the HTC Universal Widcomm Bluetooth stacks work with the new ROM. This is very bad news: first, the Microsoft Bluetooth stack as of AKU3 has still bad sound quality with a lot of Bluetooth stereo headphones; second, the Widcomm BT stack would consume considerably less power on the Trinity (I’d say the third of that of the current MS BT stack.)
Verdict
I’m really sorry about HTC’s leaving so bad bugs in the firm- and/or software of this model – the Pocket PC I, otherwise, recommend the most of today’s Pocket PC’s. While upgrading to the new ROM version is HIGHLY recommended for most people, you still won’t be able to play fast-paced action games and should think twice before using the built-in A2DP sound transfer.
Recommended links
My older A2DP-related articles. I also recommend the two reports I’ve posted today about the news: here and here.

Thanks for your excellent work here!
I really appreciate what you do for the Trinity communitiy!

Thanks for a great summary.... nice to have it all in one post, one of my disadvantages with the Trinity is the bad performance with xvid in coreplayer, due to the ATI graphic chip...

MP3/Audio quality
I've read that some users have experienced highly degraded audio quality after upgrading to the latest test Dopod ROM. Has this final ROM corrected this issue?
psargent said:
...MP3 quality is GREATLY degraded after upgrading to the test rom. Used to be rich with plenty of bass when plugged into my car aux input when I was using HTC rom, now it sounds like I am listening through a tin can!!! Sounds like most of the lower frequencies are not being sent out of the audio output...
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prsnow said:
I've read that some users have experienced highly degraded audio quality after upgrading to the latest test Dopod ROM. Has this final ROM corrected this issue?
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I've only checked it through (the crappy) A2DP, not via a wired headset - I couldn't notice any sound degradaton, iot sounded equally bad than with other MS BT stack A2DP implemenations.

Are you sure about SDHC being now supported? From other reports it seems that the problem with disappearing files and folders on 4GB SDHC cards is still there.

Menneisyys said:
Did you know you can enable the GPS functionality in the new-generation Pocket PC phone, the HTC Trinity (HTC P3600) with a simple, easy, free ROM upgrade? Did you know the latest ROM upgrade offers a significantly lowered boot-in time and slightly decreased (albeit still very bad) A2DP CPU usage, more wireless icons (E for Edge) and, last but not least, SDHC compatibility? If you didn’t but would certainly enjoy the advantages of the built-in GPS unit and the other goodies of the new ROM, make sure you do the following:
download the SSPL-TRIN.zip utility linked in from the first post of this thread (note that you’ll need to register yourself in the XDA-Dev forums to be able to access the file)
download the new ROM upgrade from here (Pacific users may also want to give a try to this Chinese source to see if it’s faster)
decompress both files. From the first, transfer SSPL-TRIN.exe to your PDA and execute it there, after disconnecting your Trinity from your desktop. You’ll see the standard rainbow-color bootup screen.
now, start the large RUU_Trinity_DOPODASIA_WWE_1.23.707.6_6275_1.35.00.11_108_Ship.exe file on the desktop, press the OK / Update / Yes buttons until it gets to flashing the new ROM.
It worked for everyone so far. Note that if there is “Serial” at the bottom third of the rainbow bootloader screen of the Trinity, the desktop PC won’t likely to recognize it. Then, just reset the PDA and, after booting in, just restart SSPL-TRIN.exe. You’ll need to see “USB” for the PDA to be recognized.
Warranty issues
Note that, by upgrading, you MAY lose your warranty, depending on where you've initially purchased your Trinity from. However, as you can flash back a ROM of your operator any time (assuming they DO come out with any publicly available ROM version), this isn’t really an issue most of the time.
Also note that, as SSPL-TRIN doesn’t remove the CID lock (unlike with the older and expensive IMEI-Check service), you won’t have problems with the service folks because of the lack of the CID lock. This is also a huge advantage over the IMEI-Check method.
Advantages
I’ve already listed the major advantages of the new version; most importantly, the enabled GPS functionality. Having GPS support in your phone is just unbeatable. Note that you must use the port COM9:. Also note that you may not want to run for example iGo to find the GPS port automatically because it’ll spend a LOT of time in doing so – just give it COM9: right at the beginning, and you’re all set.
As has already been pointed out, the boot-in time has been significantly reduced between the initial HTC ROM version (1.15.405.5 dated 10/23/2006) and the this one (1.23.707.6, 02/08/2007); according to my tests, it’s 39 seconds now, as opposed to the original 45 seconds. Getting better and better (albeit still can't beat the 36 seconds of the AKU3 HTC Wizard!)
I’ve also made some serious benchmarks with the new version to see whether the problematic areas (digitizer handling, A2DP CPU usage) have been fixed. Unfortunately, they aren’t – read on to see what the problem is!
Acute problems with the HTC Trinity
The excellent XDA-Developers community, lately, has been complaining about two special issues regarding the HTC Trinity, the, in my opinion, best HTC 2.8” Pocket PC right now. Having just received a Trinity myself, I’ve thoroughly scrutinized these problems.
Touchscreen CPU usage issues
(Also see this thread)
Unfortunately, it seems all 2.8” WM5 HTC QVGA Pocket PC phones are particularly sensitive to long-pressing the touchscreen. While none of the other Pocket PC models I’ve tested (HP iPAQ 2210, HP iPAQ hx4700 running WM5, Dell Axim x51v , Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 720 and the HTC Universal) exhibited any increased CPU usage while constantly keeping the stylus down on the touchscreen, both the 2.8” WM5 HTC Wizard and the HTC Trinity did. The, otherwise, almost-zero CPU usage of gwes.exe raised, on the (non-overclocked) former, to around 17% and about 36% on the latter. This is why, for example, action games like K-Rally or Skyforce (Unlimited) will become next to unplayable when, as is recommended, played with the stylus.
This issue is the same in even the latest (Dopod) Trinity ROM version and should be addressed by HTC as soon as possible. It’s hopefully a driver issue and, therefore, can be fixed in software.
(Note that, again, different HTC phone models exhibit different level of excess CPU usage because of the problem. The new, quick Trinity suffers a lot from the bug, the older, “slow” Wizard suffers a lot less, particularly when it’s overclocked (when overclocked to 240 MHz, games like K-Rally become really enjoyable with the stylus). This, however, doesn’t mean ALL “old” (TI CPU-based) HTC phones fare much better than ALL “new” (Samsung CPU-based) HTC phones – other new, Samsung-based models may behave fat better in this respect.
I really hope HTC really soon addresses this issue as it’s almost completely renders some? several? of their models almost useless for stylus-based action gaming and unnecessarily increases the power consumption.)
A2DP CPU usage issues
Unfortunately, there is another major Achilles’ heel with all Trinity ROM’s released so far: the A2DP CPU usage.
While the built-in A2DP doesn’t consume much CPU cycles in the other HTC phones I’ve tested (for example, on the HTC Wizard, even at the original 195 MHz, it hardly exceeds 30%), the Trinity is an exception. When playing music via A2DP, the CPU usage when used in the default (mono) mode is 52.5%, in stereo mode, 49.5%. (With the original ROM version, the figures were 54% and 51%, respectively – as can be seen, the new version has slightly improved upon the situation, but it’s still much worse than with most other devices.) This is another issue HTC should look into as soon as possible, because it makes the device almost useless as an A2DP player.
(A quick note: the A2DP defaults to mono in this device. If you’re familiar with the Registry and have already read my older A2DP-related articles, you will know HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\Bluetooth\ A2DP\Settings\ UseJointStereo also introduced in my article The A2DP support & sound quality & power consumption of the Microsoft and Widcomm BT stack compared; a lot of new A2DP info. With the Trinity, it’s set to 1 by default; you’ll want to change its value to 0.
If you feel unsafe about editing the Registry, you can also use the excellent, free HTweakC tool. I highly recommend it for all Trinity, Wizard and TyTN users.)
Widcomm BT stack compliance?
Unfortunately, as was the case with the original HTC Trinity ROM, neither the Dell Axim WM5 x50/x51 / HTC Wizard nor the HTC Universal Widcomm Bluetooth stacks work with the new ROM. This is very bad news: first, the Microsoft Bluetooth stack as of AKU3 has still bad sound quality with a lot of Bluetooth stereo headphones; second, the Widcomm BT stack would consume considerably less power on the Trinity (I’d say the third of that of the current MS BT stack.)
Verdict
I’m really sorry about HTC’s leaving so bad bugs in the firm- and/or software of this model – the Pocket PC I, otherwise, recommend the most of today’s Pocket PC’s. While upgrading to the new ROM version is HIGHLY recommended for most people, you still won’t be able to play fast-paced action games and should think twice before using the built-in A2DP sound transfer.
Recommended links
My older A2DP-related articles. I also recommend the two reports I’ve posted today about the news: here and here.
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I upgreaded as instructed and put the new rom. My problem is I see no GPS icon in the Systems folder or anywhere for that matter to set it to Com 9. Furthermore, when I installed Tomtom it said i have no gps on my Trinity Can you help advise where my GPS icon is

Another thing that is bugging the hell out of me is the network configuration. how can I get it rid of it completely so that everytime i soft reset, i don't get that annoying message?
Second, please advise, if I remove My Connect, does it make a difference to the device? I live in Canada and do not own a dopod but a HTC unbranded Trinity instead.
Third, What is the CAM program. What does it do?
Many thanks for any help you can offer and best regards,
Gilbert

Gilbert said:
I upgreaded as instructed and put the new rom. My problem is I see no GPS icon in the Systems folder or anywhere for that matter to set it to Com 9. Furthermore, when I installed Tomtom it said i have no gps on my Trinity Can you help advise where my GPS icon is
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Hold - one thing at a time
1) Once you have upgraded the ROM you have to configure TomTom to use the internal GPS, so start TomTom, go to "Change Preferences", go to "Show GPS Status" , then "Configure" to choose your new GPS. Select "Other NMEA GPS Receiver", baud rate = 115200, "GPS on COM9".
2) You will not see any "GPS setting" anywhere unless you hack the Windows Registry. You need a registry editor to do that. Go in HKLM->ControlPanel->GPS Settings: get rid of any DWORD there and make sure to add a new DWORD with the following values: "Group"/0x02. Once done SoftReset and you will have your GPS icon into Settings->Connections.
3) BTW, if you do that registry hack you will be able to map the GPS to other COM ports as well.
Hope this will help!
Anubis

anonimo said:
Are you sure about SDHC being now supported? From other reports it seems that the problem with disappearing files and folders on 4GB SDHC cards is still there.
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Yes; unfortunately my 4GB Transcend SDHC card still behaves in this way with the new rom.

Anubis1965 said:
Hold - one thing at a time
1) Once you have upgraded the ROM you have to configure TomTom to use the internal GPS, so start TomTom, go to "Change Preferences", go to "Show GPS Status" , then "Configure" to choose your new GPS. Select "Other NMEA GPS Receiver", baud rate = 115200, "GPS on COM9".
2) You will not see any "GPS setting" anywhere unless you hack the Windows Registry. You need a registry editor to do that. Go in HKLM->ControlPanel->GPS Settings: get rid of any DWORD there and make sure to add a new DWORD with the following values: "Group"/0x02. Once done SoftReset and you will have your GPS icon into Settings->Connections.
3) BTW, if you do that registry hack you will be able to map the GPS to other COM ports as well.
Hope this will help!
Anubis
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I got:
GPS program port: COM9
GPS hardware port: COM6 (randomly chosen) with Baud rate 115200 (what does Baud rate mean?)
Access: automatically
In TomTom I use COM9, but when I switch the program with the hardware port, TomTom tells me that the GPS still has port COM9.. weird.
Anyways, is this correct? Thanks in advance!
BTW: this goes a looot quicker if you choose the other NMEA GPS Receiver than if you use "other external bluetooth" thanks!
BTW2: you can use "http://www2r.biglobe.ne.jp/~tascal/download/pocketpc/tre_e.htm to edit the register.

Thanks Menneisyys for the summary.
Regarding the cpu consumption I am not so sure everything is HTC related.
can you give me a device which is performing very well with this samsung cpu?
it is fast: 400 Mhz. ok, on paper. but in real life it needs a lot of cycles to do things...
40% if you press the screen.
85% for 320*240 simple divX with tcpmp (more than the OMAP 200 from Wizard)
55% to encode A2DP stream.
and it gets on and on, and does not improve with new ROMs.
I start to wonder why nobody is blaming samsung there. Is there proof somewhere of its effectiveness?

I have HTC-P3600 purchased in US. So far I have no problem using Cingular service and I like the phone.
But why I am posting. I want to update to the latest ROM with the GPS activated.
When I run SSPL-TRIN I get only "SERIAL" in third line.
I have tried three times and same result. I there a something else I need to change to get "USB" activated.
Thanks in advance Peter Simek

psimek said:
I have HTC-P3600 purchased in US. So far I have no problem using Cingular service and I like the phone.
But why I am posting. I want to update to the latest ROM with the GPS activated.
When I run SSPL-TRIN I get only "SERIAL" in third line.
I have tried three times and same result. I there a something else I need to change to get "USB" activated.
Thanks in advance Peter Simek
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You have to have it connected to USB when you run SSPL-TRIN.exe.
mdacfan said:
@chenchon
my way:
1. extract RUU_Trinity_DOPODASIA_WWE_1.23.707.6_6275_1.35.00. 11_108_Ship.exe with WinRAR to XP PC (NewFolder)
2. connect phone to windows XP PC (activesync status green)
3. copy the SSPL-trin to the device ie. \temp (memory) - not storage card
4. run the SSPL-trin (Trinity Display must then show "USB" at the bottom) - wait until XP detects a new USB device
5. run from the extracted file on XP PC (NewFolder) the file "ROMUpdateUtility.exe"
6. Pass all Upgrade questions and wait about 10 Minutes to finish the upgrade from 0% to 100%
7. Softreset Trinity after the successfull upgrade
No SuperCID required if you use SSPL !!
good luck,
Gerhard
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Worked well for me.

Tomtom 6.03 freeze
hi,
does anyone with tomtom 6.03 as any problem of freezing while u r navigating?
i think the problem was when i selected the gps in tomtom config... i selected "use own gps" (the built in gps) but now i choosed another cable gps nmea on com9 and with 115200. Tomorrow i'll feedback
another experiences with tomtom 6.03 are welcome.
best regards,
aprt

Lost Voice Dialing
Hi All,
I have done the ROM upgrade, but seem to have lost voice dialing. Is this something available only on the original HTC ROM? Can I download this seperately?
Thanks

Small Problem
I have updated both the test and final rom,I have noticed a strange problem. As I am using a third party keyboard because of the arabic language i can not switch the keyboard to any installed one rather than the preinstalled SIPs.
I tried two different arabic software plus Resco keyboard all the same. som times it works and many other times it does not.
Any Idea?

I started noticing problems too.
When I soft reset, Pocket Informant always start automatically and hangs the phone.
Before that, the Network guide started and hung, every reboot, so that I had to hard reset.
It works for about one hour, regardless of which programs I install.
GPS works though..

NOT Blaming Samsung
meroupow said:
Thanks Menneisyys for the summary.
Regarding the cpu consumption I am not so sure everything is HTC related.
can you give me a device which is performing very well with this samsung cpu?
it is fast: 400 Mhz. ok, on paper. but in real life it needs a lot of cycles to do things...
40% if you press the screen.
85% for 320*240 simple divX with tcpmp (more than the OMAP 200 from Wizard)
55% to encode A2DP stream.
and it gets on and on, and does not improve with new ROMs.
I start to wonder why nobody is blaming samsung there. Is there proof somewhere of its effectiveness?
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In the case of TCPMP it is not anything todo with solely the Samsung chip itself but more todo with the Imageon Chip being not properly utilised in the ROMS and also TCPMP not being able to make use of the Imageon with the Samsung/ATI combo.
I did a small test once where I had one video that didn't cause screen flicker with the Imageon being used in TCPMP and I got a MASSIVE improvement - posted the benchmark results in another post I will look for them.
The A2DP Stream in my opinion is more todo with the Bluetooth Stack i.e if it were WIDCOMM then we woudn't have these problems.
As for the screen press I am hoping it is down to the Samsung Chip and ROM combination as a pose to just the chip being flawed.
And yes they should put more effort in tweaking these flaws and provide fixes for software and ROMS faster - but these are money making corporations that like to take shortcuts.
The joys of early adoption!

Hello,
Everyone seems to talk about 115200 baud but in Tomtom the highest you get is 57k+ for baud speed. I read once that it should remain on 9600 baud to work well. Where do you all see the 115200 baud? is it through the hack of the registry to enable the GPS icon? Hope someone can help me here.
Best regards,
Gilbert

Which cooked rom should i install????

Hi people
i had tried many cooked roms before....i liked it also....but i was getting some problem such as bluetooth not working.....office application not available...not having proper applications such as File Explorer etc...According to you friends which rom cooked is best suitable for O2 xda iis which is simple and reliable in working...???
Replies will be highly appreciable....

that depends on what you want from your device:
i am personally using xplode's wm6.5 build 21202, because it is very fast and stable.
other roms mostly are just one thing: either fast OR stable.
in general wm6.5 has a nice and finger friendly interface on first look, the chome and the hexagon start menu are nice and big, on the other hand if you are using the soft keyboard or want to click an icon on the task bar, you need to install extra apps (like fingerkeyboard and large title bar) or use a stylus.
but back to the point. this rom is very reliable, which appears to be one of your priorities, i personally hardly ever have to soft-reset the device. it never freezes, programs don't crash and it is over all fast.
i don't know whether you tried wm6.5 before but for your second point, the simplicity, i can also recommend it because it is so intuitive. you have your basic features on the chome screen and with the new start menu you save a step in opening programs or entering settings. if you are experienced in flashing roms i would still recommend to keep up with the process and from time to time try new releases as wm6.5 still constantly improves and maybe there is still an ever nicer version to come.
i hope this explanation could show you enough pros about that rom, that you give it a try. anyway there is nothing to lose, you can always go back to the rom you come from now.
greetz
Chef_Tony

Really aprreciate chef_tony for your advice...what about bluettoth, gprs and wlan connectivity is it stable????? and can u post the link of the rom...i am unable to find it.....!!!!!!1

i can only talk my personal experience here, so maybe not all possible uses are mentioned, in the thread beneath, you can look up more information.
1. bluetooth:
i have my device paired with my pc, and it works just fine. obex file transfer works with pc and mobile phones, a2dp too, activesync via bt works...
with the bt stack coming in the rom you have less customizable settings than in wm2003se (e.g. you can't set your device's name or stuff like that, but doesn't matter)
2. gprs
i really can't say anything about gprs, because i had my carrier block it for me, because my device used to connect automatically in wm2003se, back in the day, before i knew how to stop that, for data connection i only use wi-fi. but since the settings for gprs didn't change and it is more a radio thing than a rom issue, i assume it works exactly like in other roms or the pre-installed os.
3. w-lan
since wm5 there is a minor bug, that after a soft reset, sometimes it wouldn't start in first attempt, so you'd have to click turn on wlan twice or so, but in general there are no problems, i can use spb online, titanium weather, e-mail, surfing without any problem. also, thanks to the higher .net i can use remote desktop and ppc tablet for remote connections and control my home pc via the ppc (use the touchscreen as a mouse tablet for instance)
this is the link for the forum post, where the rom is to be found, careful reading that should also answer questions about things i never tested, bluetooth gps, gprs and stuff like that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482997

and last and final question........i found the thread but dint get the procedure.....i dint get the procedure in wiki also....kindly let me know...atpresent i am having sun_dreams rom...please reply to this post...

in that thread in the first post you find the following links of interest to you:
http://rapidshare.com/files/217663177/21202.7z
http://rapidshare.com/files/214508967/EXTROM.7z
the first one is the rom, the 2nd is the extrom.
download both of them, extract them with 7zip
and then it is basicly the old procedure, follow this wizard precisely:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1
for further explanation: first check your memory if your total memory is 60mb like in the picture beneath, if that is the case, go on by clicking wm5, if not click wm2003

@Chef_Tony,
it's really great you take time to provide on your view on ROM, as I know this kinda thread has been closed down by moderator in other forum, and we should not encourage any discussion here.
newbie can install and see themselves.

Hi Chef
I flashed my BA with you rom, awesome performance. But when I installed the Extrom, sometimes it hangs, sometimes become slow. It becomes a litle unstable. Is it normal? Are u using the same Extrom from xploder build?

first, let me say that problems concerning the rom should be discussed in the particular rom thread, because there are more people that can help you about that, plus many questions about it have already been posted and answered there. however, since this is the first problem about the extrom i can think of, i am going to answer here, although still i have to agree with imatrix that this thread should be closed soon.
i did not install the extrom the way it is.
since i need the storage for programs that are important to me, i left out the adobe reader, arcsoft, facebook, getting started, jbed, wlm. i put some of my own programs in there instead: tcpmp (plus several plugins), youtubeplay, lage title bar, psshutxp, pocketrar, sipchange and sms delivery receipt fix.
there are plenty more programs i always install after a hard reset/reflash, but some of them aren't extrom material, since i want them installed to sd card or they open their settings after install which would stop the extrom.
and like that i also found out, that tcpmp is not good for the extrom either, it stopped installing, i had to soft reset and then it wouldn't work, leaving me nothing, but to hard reset again and take tcpmp from the extrom. but with now all my progs installed, partly extrom, partly manual, i can say the device is hellish fast, sometimes i think the chome is even too fast, since the entries are just there and the sliding from previous builds is nearly gone.
that was my experience, now for yours.
"sometimes it hangs, sometimes become slow. It becomes a little unstable"
i suppose you are talking about the every day use, and not the installation of the extrom.
in my experience the rom is generally very fast, meaning chome and start menu are flowing very fast and are very responsive. that, however is due to the high graphics buffer limit. so if there is something slow, it is probably an external program. for example i experienced the wmp buffering really slow, so playing songs sometimes jumps. tcpmp on the other hand is faster than in any other build, i always make a benchmark first. the general speed of runing programs seems to depend on whether they use the built in graphics cache or if they have their own, leaving them with not exactly much ram left.
i would suggest, since everything seems to be rather fresh, that you
1. hard reset your device,
2. do not put the sd card in and do not install the extrom, then you try out, if maybe it freezes or becomes slow from time to time.
3. sync your device (maybe to much pim data slows it down)
4. install the cabs one by one.
i know it takes some time, but maybe you will find out, what caused the problem and can go without the prog or install a different version.
if all that does not help, because maybe your device is slow from step 1, you should think about reflashing your device or trying another rom, but just as a last attempt, i guess anything mentioned above will eventually solve your problem
greetz
Chef_Tony

I can strongly recommend the WM6.5_21202 by xplode!!!!!
Never ever before was my BA that fast and stable - just as if it was meant to be that way. And the very best thing about it is the new and enhanced connectivity:
WiFi with WPA2 works flawlessly and connects in seconds and even my Bluetooth-Headset works just fine and absolutly stable. I have best sound quality in the car even at higher speed.
As GUI I have installed "spb mobile shell 3.0" and my old BlueAngel feels a little bit like an iPhone of 2009 besides the outdated display-technology.
Mostly I use the unit in the car with:
- Navigon MN7 Mobile Navigator
- Bluetooth Headset Plantronics 360
- Contacts to navigate to with PocketInformant 8.51
and I really like it
Greetz,
hamaman