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w2003SE vs w5.0

I see that we still have a lot problems with w5 on our beloved blue angels.
Now, my question is: what is a major benefit to go from fast and reliable SE 2003 to W 5.0?
it's sluggish, unstable.
so, why we all upgrading-downgrading our devices up and down, is this a justified action to get a better OS or our desire to try something new?

Something new. :wink:

WM5 is a lot better than WM2003 but the problem is that there is no specefic official version of wm5 for blueangel, so developers reverse engineer other versions of WM5 and the leaked one from MS , to create stable OS. Latest WM5 versions are quite stable. None forces you to try WM5 if you don't like it downgrade and use WM2003

it's not about forcing me or someone to use w5.0, but what's better in this OS, what do you mean by saying better ? speed, stability extra functionality ?

I simply like it better
Its like WinMe vs WinXP

Well said TB. Kinda like, why are people instrested in Windows Vista? Windows XP work dunit? Acuttaly, don't answer that one.

Guys, you are talking very subjectivly:
like-don't like.
win me and win xp is quite dif. OS. Upgrading to XP gives us very stable reliable system with much more functionalities.
I simply like to see what extra features are in wm5, which are not available in SE.
so far we have OS with not 100% working BT, MMS, terrible ActiveSync, poor phone, etc.
I am very grateful to guys workimg on these ROMs, and thank them of course, but my question: is wm5 better than SE at all and what this better stuff is?

COM,
flashing OS takes about 15 mins. So, flash WM5, play with it. U can always go back to WM23.
And Wm5 to Wm2 is not like ME to XP. More like Win2K vs Win2K+service packs.

Well for me its a Me vs XP (My SE kept crashing and crashing, doublesending the same SMS, not sending MMSes at all, freezing when cancelling calls). WM5 drops Bluetooth connections, does strange things with the hw keyboard and works quite slow (I overclocked the CPU to 531MHz, it works... usable). But at least I can use my PHONE as a PHONE.

I agree with TB
I have many problems with 2003SE, 3-4 daily resets, because it hangs, when the battery and backup battery drains out you loose everything(such as in hard reset). I have no such problems with WM5 it is much stable and it is slower than 2003 but in the recent WM5 roms (Ivan's and Tuatara) the speed is improved and stability is much better than 2003SE

I like WM5 because it looks better, and the soft keys are very usefull. and you get to show off the nice and hard work of Mamaich, Tuatara and all others and say that xda-dev kicks ass!!!!

well, from what you are saying: wm5 is more stable !
Thanks, this is an advantage no doubt. let's hope we will soon get the final version from our gurus here.
By the way, should wm5 be a hardware independent OS, like windows XP and portable from one PDA to another?

Better not - due to XP's portability it eats up so much resources :| If you wanna try it yourself - Linux for example compiles (is compiled ) in order to match the HW configuration of the computer, while WindowsXP 'HasItAll, but mostly unusefull for your current hardware' :|

A new OS, which prevents your data from loss even at significant battery discharge, comfortable control without a stylus, improved Office Mobile. Noticeable cosmetic advantages.
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Will there every be a BA Official WM5 release

no, microsoft made one and distrobuted it to the telecos but it is there decision whether to release it. as far as i can tell they will never do this as it doesn't make buisiness sense, why give a free wm5 update away when if you keep it too yourself people are gonna buy a new phone to get it?

but.. we are keeping our phones anyway hehehehe :twisted:
(that's why we are on this phorum. Anyway..)

Hi,
I am using O2 XDA IIs for more than 8 months. I eagerly waited for the O2 update, as HP had offered to its ipaqs.But it was very disappointing that , instead of giving software updates; o2 started to show new models with Windows Mobile 5.0. I tried even from Microsoft site for upgrades, but that was a futile attempt.Then I finally decided to upgrade from XDA-developres.
You have to understand that major advantafe of WM5 over the Wm2003se is that data is not volatile; so there is no need to backup now and then.Secondly fast and secure.The major problem is that it needs faster processor. I hope it is helpful.

Kalonian said:
Secondly fast and secure.The major problem is that it needs faster processor
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WM5 is slower than WM2003SE. WM5 best offering is persistent storage.
It is because it has NAND based rom. So, it doesnt offer XIP

Yes it is a lil slower than 2003 but it hte rom is properly build (Ivan and Tuatara roms) you will find no diference for speed, bu you will find a lot more stability. The CPU is not so important, we see devices with 200 MHz CPU to run WM5 just fine (Prophet and Wizard), of course they have a lil problems with multitasking but thay have only 200 MHz CPU, so you have to expect some lag. Blueangel have more than enough resources to run and operate WM5, we just need a properly tweaked rom for this device.

What was your main reason for upgrading to WM5?

i upgraded to wm5 via tuma v1.3 and it's very slow compared to wm2003. tolerable i guess, but slow. I noticed it seems to have just as many wifi issues as wm2003 and honestly it doesn't look like much has changed.
There are a few nice things about it. Although, since i rely heavily on the wifi, for internet and remote dekstop, I'm thinking of going back to wm2003.
So my question is what are the main reasons you upgraded to wm5?

Hasn't it been discussed plenty-o-times?

the only thing i can find is wm5 = stable, slow and wm3 = stable, fast. But with all the problems of these custom roms i can't seem to figure out how it's more stable.

Well, the main reason of my upgrade was the persistant storage feature, really important for me!

willpower, did you extensively test WM5? I've upgraded to WM5 after having my BA for three days, and I'm not going to downgrade.

I'm with mandelbort, I'm about to go abroad for a couple of years and I may find myself far from power now and then. Getting a hard-reset when the battery died was always crazy in my mind.
The main reason why I'm staying (despite several problems) is the WAY better user interface. Simple things like notifications are light years ahead of WM2003 in terms of how you interact with them.
I started out on a Smartphone which has a great UI. Going to WM2003 was a step back, things like contacts and messaging lacked simple options like "reply", "call", "send text". Now on WM5 it's a lot more consistent and the context menus display useful options.

I agree with Fraser about the UI enchasements, but the 2 main reasons for me to upgrade to WM5 were Persistant Storage and improved stability, i have not reset my BA from more than a month (just once to install ivans latest rom)

Honestly, if it wasn't for persistant storage, I wouldn't be using WM5. But I'm the forgetful type, and it was a pain when I accidentaly let my Blue Angel run out of batteries and then had to restore my backups.
The slowness doesn't really bother me that much either. The first Blue Angel WM5 roms were much slower. The guys researching and developing editted roms are doing an excellent job.

willpower102 said:
i upgraded to wm5 via tuma v1.3 and it's very slow compared to wm2003.
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Tuma 1.3 is one of the slowest WM5 roms, this was fixed in 1.4 but that also contains many bugs, so either wait for 1.5 (stable + fast) or try another WM5 version like logouts or Ivans, both of which are much faster.

Why does everyone forget about ArtZ's ROMs?

because i've never heard of it , whats it like/based on?

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willpower, did you extensively test WM5? I've upgraded to WM5 after having my BA for three days, and I'm not going to downgrade.
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Three days? Doesn't sound like you tested wm3 too extensively
Seriously, when i first asked the question i'd only had the upgrade on their for a couple of days. I've pretty well become used to the speed issue. I'm about to install and try out the other versions of the roms tonight. it's nice to know that i can look forward to an increase in speed. I have noticed things like the notifications working much better. But i still have a couple of questions if i may:
1. The wifi doesn't want to connect to a secured network until after a hard reset. If i take the enryption off the router then it will connect after a soft reset.
[baground info] I was using wm3 with radio 1.12 and having similar connection issues. Then i upgraded to radio 1.15 and had a magnificent increase in the wifi stabiliy. It would always see new connections quickly and never had a problem refreshing or switching. until tuma v1.3 wm5.
Is this a covered issue? i've read alot but haven't found exactly what i need.
2. what is this about persistant storage? From what i've gathered wm5 doesn't loose all your settings and ?more? when the battery drains? I haven't searched yet, because i have to run, but i'll read up on that when i get back.
thanks!

ArtZ's ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48215
I use the absolutely-first version with some tweaks In the beginning I've tested Ivan's ROM, but the video recording did not work. I did not try TuMa, cause people kept complaining about its speed (waiting for 1.5, which is supposed to be fast and stable). In ArtZ's ROM everything seems to be working just fine
willpower102 - during those three days I had 2 hard-resets (with battery fully charged) :| The MMS function did not work at all (I was unable to create MMS messages), no incomming calls were signaled (0 info on the phone, as if noone tried calling) :| . With WM5 I can do/receive calls, use MMSes, use GPRS, etc
Yes, I agree that WM5 is slow comparing to 2k3SE (my friend uses it in his BA and he does not complain; I've been playing with his unit alot - he made me get myself one ), but the benefits are quite significant (for me at least - see beginning of my post).

And regarding the 'persistent storage' - nothing is lost when the battery dies NOTHING (well, except the time settings when you keep the battery dead for too long )

ROM question to all GURUs here

Which combination of ROM, Radio and BTstack You find the most stable, reliable and low energy consuming.
I don't think I'm satisfied with the sombination I have...
Robert

Belcik said:
Which combination of ROM, Radio and BTstack You find the most stable, reliable and low energy consuming.
I don't think I'm satisfied with the sombination I have...
Robert
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WM5: TuMa 1.3 (MS BT Stack) with radio 1.15.
In terms of WM2003SE: Orange 1.31, BT3500 and radio 1.15.

All respect to KTamas (551 posts don't write themselves), but I have to disagree. From what I've seen, radio 1.15 has problems with dropping calls and slow response from the phone application. Midget_1990 suggested I downgrade from 1.15 to 1.13 and I've seen a marked improvement since.
Likewise TuMa1.3, while a huge achievement from its author Tuatara, is now outdated by Logout and Ivan's latest ROMs. Both of them are faster and more stable than TuMa 1.3.
Logout is based on the fast, but flawed TuMa 1.4, with a lot of fixes. It's really good at multimedia - I get the best framerate in pocket media player with this ROM, but it seems to self-destruct after 2 weeks of heavy use. I've had to rebuild it after some pretty strange situations where the camera suddenly stopped working, phone app refused to launch, and the messaging app went crazy, opening and closing windows until killed manually.
TuMa 1.5 remains everyone's great hope for the perfect WM5 ROM, but it's not in a state to be released yet. In the meanwhile I use Ivan v4r3. It gives the fastest UI response, but it plays movie files less well than Logout. Above all, it's very stable if treated with care - usually needs rebuilding once a month or so.

Is the periodic rebuilding required on all WM5 roms? I know the windows xp "half-life" is about 18 months (if you look after it!), but I didn't realise that the phones picked up as much cruft as well.

i find between 2-8 weeks depending on what rom i'm running, note though that this is not just WM5, i also had to do this often in 2003se to keep the speed how it should be.

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All respect to KTamas (551 posts don't write themselves), but I have to disagree. From what I've seen, radio 1.15 has problems with dropping calls and slow response from the phone application. Midget_1990 suggested I downgrade from 1.15 to 1.13 and I've seen a marked improvement since.
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I thought that this could be a problem... I think about downgrading Radio to 1.13.
And what about ROM? Orange 1.31 is the only suggestion? Any other voices? If not, I think the only option will be to put into my baby that ROM...
Greets,
Robert

keep the 1.42 os rom, cook your own extrom, or leave as is, and use 1.13 radio. best wm2003se combi IMHO

Radio 1.13 is not as loud as 1.15.
If you use Bluetooth Headset,your friends will not hear your voice.
I've tried it with 3 Bluetooths.
But with 1.15,the volume is loud and clear.
8)

I'm planning to buy BT headset. So far 1.13 is good enough.

Q to all BA WM5 Users: Which latest WM5 ROM to use on SX66?

Q to all MA WM5 Users: Which WM5 ROM to use on SX66?
Greetings gents & ladies...
I have an exec that was given a handmedown SX66, and he needs ActiveSync Push running, so WM2k3 SE is not an option.
In your opininon, which is the most stable and best for SX66 WM5 ROM I should load on it?
I see there are lots of different excellent builds; kudos to the brave souls experimenting.
Thank you in advance for any responses

I had been using TuMa 1.4 even with its quirks for about 3 weeks, prior to the release of this latest ivan with ramdisk. The latest ivan is faster and more stable but has fewer built in apps if you care about that sort of thing. The one issue I have had the most trouble with on the SX66 is getting my bluetooth headset button to lauch the voice dialer app instead of just launching the phone app.
I am pretty tolerant of a buggy device and wouldnt recommend TuMa 1.4 for most people using SX66. So far the latest ivan seems really nice. I havent loaded anything on the device since flash though, so I will have to see how it keeps performing after I load it up a bit. I have not tried any of the other roms on the SX66.

I'm running Ivan's latest R3 ramdisk on two Sx66 boards.. both have camera's added, one's in a IIs case =)

T-Mobile Wing radio performance

I am the not so proud owner of a Wizard but have the opportunity of moving to a Wing. I love my wizard with the exception of the radio performance, poor reception, missed calls and vanishing text messages which are all part of the deal. So those of you who have a Wing, is the radio any good?

Radio is slightly better than the MDA, IMO. BT radio is definitely better. WM6 is sweet, and stable.... speed and battery are fine overclocked at 247. The BT stack is waaaay better for A2DP.
The big problem is program memory... something around 15MB before plug-ins, and with a medium-bad leak. No one has real good answers yet, and we are all DESPARATELY waiting for custom ROMS! In the meantime, I've recommended using Oxios to clear memory as often as possible, and soft resets at least once a day.
It's really a great device, except for the memory problem. If you do get one, make sure to check at HoFo as to the best purchase deal.
-Richard

Well, the reason why you're missing so many calls is because your Radio is 2.61. That for whatever reason, that "improved" radio sucks in Southern California. If I remember correctly, that was a German radio. The Wing has an upgraded radio, but I haven't tried it in areas I know are sketchy. But all in all, except for the huge loss of RAM due to God only knows (I don't run My Favs) it seems to be a pretty stable phone, but I've only had it for less than a week.

Thanks falconeyez, I have actually been running 2.69 for the past few days but it is as bad or worse than 2.61. I have jsut downloaded 2.40 from the FTP to try that but I have just about given up hope of any radio rom working in the Wizard. If the Wing has a suitable replacement then I will make the change as the rest of the phone appears to be the same as a Wizard

jt_armstrong said:
Thanks falconeyez, I have actually been running 2.69 for the past few days but it is as bad or worse than 2.61. I have jsut downloaded 2.40 from the FTP to try that but I have just about given up hope of any radio rom working in the Wizard. If the Wing has a suitable replacement then I will make the change as the rest of the phone appears to be the same as a Wizard
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No problem, that's what the boards are for. When I was using the wizard I kept my radio at 2.25 (2.26?) and that consistently gave me the best results.

rpodos said:
Radio is slightly better than the MDA, IMO. BT radio is definitely better. WM6 is sweet, and stable.... speed and battery are fine overclocked at 247. The BT stack is waaaay better for A2DP.
The big problem is program memory... something around 15MB before plug-ins, and with a medium-bad leak. No one has real good answers yet, and we are all DESPARATELY waiting for custom ROMS! In the meantime, I've recommended using Oxios to clear memory as often as possible, and soft resets at least once a day.
It's really a great device, except for the memory problem. If you do get one, make sure to check at HoFo as to the best purchase deal.
-Richard
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/agree 100% with everything said here.
As a result I've been playing with customizing my own rom (removing programs adding in - etc) and what I've come up with is a cross between the Touch and the Iphone - I use the iLock and the iContacts, and all of the other themes and apps from the Touch as posted in the Touch for Wizard thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225)
Now my problem is: I want to remove the annoying taskbar that holds the battery status (OEM) and etc on the bottom because I do not need it anymore. Anyone have any ideas on how to do this?