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Do you prefer a clean version of WM6 or with extra applications?
And which applications do you like?
C_shekar - I think you need some investigation which kind of soft user needs.
So let us post our vision of required soft preinstalled in ROM.
as far as I understand we taking about freeware.
My List:
1. Touch flo (if there are any possibility)
2. Dict
3. Alreader light 2\Hali reader
4. Total Commander Mobile
5. TCMP
6. Pdf - viewer
7. WM5-storage
8. Some sort of timer.
9. ICQ application (qip for example)
10. Gsplayer
11. Rar mobile
1. No RAM disk
2. 24MB Pagepool
3. TouchFlo
I think the ROM should stay clean, so the user can decide what apps he wants to add.
I think one can only add the HTC home tab thingie!
Cheers
divocak
no ram disk ??
man are you mad ?
for what reason you need all amount of RAM ?
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
But I`ve agree to save some extra mem by lowering page poll. (I think 16 mb will be ok )
No, just leave the pagepool at 32 as I think it's neccessary to keep the Rom goes fast. No more software should be added I hope 'cause users can add them in later on. Just all the important fixes and patches. And that's all. Anyone want to personalize the ROM can do that by creating an extendedRom in their SD, is it, so just try to keep the version pure (one of the best exapmle is buzz 3.33). But, the ROMs that personalized before by certain developers are appreciated as well.
obaz said:
divocak
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
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Oh i dont know that - i think that ram-disk is only for storage. thanx for info.
I agree. The upgrade rom should be a clean one so a person can choose exactly what software they require and will use. We must also remember that we all use our PPC for different reasons so there will never be a rom with software we all want or need.
Clean and Clear
Hello!!! Yes I think the WM6 should be clean version, if someone wants to install apps they can do so. The reason to keep the clean version is to make the device run faster.
Although there should be a clean version but also there should be a choice of software (seprately given). If need be people can install them on their Device.
Kind Regards
Jay
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
some softwares are necessary...
because not all of Himalaya users are goood at play the phone,they need it quick and all-in-one.
may be we can cook 2 ROMs,one clean version of WM6 and one with extra applications
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
Kind Regards
Jay
very very clean please
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).
Maggy said:
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).
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Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay
jaytheguru said:
But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
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Personally, I don't think so.
If one wouls want to install some software (common used, for example) he would install it in storage mem. And I could make it into rom instead.
If you don't want to use it - just don't use it
One day we would make a kitchen - and then all could make their own personal rom.
Personally, I can tell you that I'm going to release a clean and speed tweaked rom - once, and then I'm going to start releasing my personalized one.
It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess
bearshare said:
It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess
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yes..i agree with you
jaytheguru said:
Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay
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I wanted to give insight in how I use my Hima, it is by no means a wish list for a personalised ROM. (although volunteers are welcome to cook one for me ;-)
I hope others will give similar insight in their uses.
When I flashed to WM5 I thought I was using a clean ROM. It did come with Powerpoint and Exell, IMHO a waste of space. It didn't come with a working smartdial and it took me a full day to find a smartdial that works on one of my Hima's but not on another almost identical Hima. IMHO an awful waste of time unless you like to reinvent the wheel.
I've seen discussions in other threads about what they do/do not call a "clean" ROM. IMHO a clean ROM should offer as much basic functionality as possible. I believe Smartdial is one of these basic functions.
But every piece of software that you can find elsewhere, like Powerpoint and Exell should in my opinion be left out of the clean ROM, right?
A kitchen would be a good idea. A kitchen with a clear step by step manual that any noob can follow would be even nicer. Perhaps such kitchens were around before the ftp site closed, I'm only here regularly since a week or two.
I downloaded two files with the word kitchen in its name and unfortunately neither explained to me how to use it.
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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You r absloutly right
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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I can't agree with you any more
Title says it all!
I popped both the new sub-forums' thread cherries
Well of the app I have installed I would definitely keep Batti, Google maps, WM6 RDP and Xperia tweak.
Me likey
i use
fring
Skype
SPB Backup
SPB Travel
Coreplayer
Igo8
Resco File Explorer
Xperia Tweak
Touchpal
and Virtual Pool mobile
that is what i install and where i will stay
I'd like
Quick menu
Total commander
.net 3.5 and .netcfg
flashlite 3.1
s2v (with permission obviously)
TF3d
WKTask
fdcsoft taskmanager (and defaults for regedit etc set up)
SKTSync
look this video with touchflow3d in action (I want this app)
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/11/06/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-touchflo-3d-demo-video/
Fidalgos said:
look this video with touchflow3d in action (I want this app)
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/11/06/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-touchflo-3d-demo-video/
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we already have that, Im using it now.
Working Flash (for youtube and stuff)
A youtube app
Total commander
Coreplayer
TF3d
Latest Opera Mobile 9.5
Flash support
Total Commander
TouchFlo3D
Battery Meter or changed battery icons (e.g. FInixNOver's)
crap removed (trailers, sample albums, etc)
Google Maps, GMail 2.0 java app, Opera Mini 4.1 java app
Skype
PocketRAR
No apps what-so-ever, just a basic, base rom, that includes a folder full of cabs, with a launcher than allows you to select which cabs to install.
Flash the new rom, then manually exec the launcher, put ticks next to the apps you want, networks you want setup etc, then hit the go button and sit back while your device gets only the stuff you actually want installed.
Thats my ideal!
Nigel
veletron said:
No apps what-so-ever, just a basic, base rom, that includes a folder full of cabs, with a launcher than allows you to select which cabs to install.
Flash the new rom, then manually exec the launcher, put ticks next to the apps you want, networks you want setup etc, then hit the go button and sit back while your device gets only the stuff you actually want installed.
Thats my ideal!
Nigel
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Seconded! I like to choose!
just a plain basic rom with basic utilities like CE commander, network wizard, java, mms, enlarge start menu. No trial (spb-something), no beta (tf3d... I can update myself tnx ), nothing
THJahar said:
Seconded! I like to choose!
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Thirded
veletron said:
No apps what-so-ever, just a basic, base rom, that includes a folder full of cabs, with a launcher than allows you to select which cabs to install.
Flash the new rom, then manually exec the launcher, put ticks next to the apps you want, networks you want setup etc, then hit the go button and sit back while your device gets only the stuff you actually want installed.
Thats my ideal!
Nigel
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Actually this is a cracking idea!
guru_fordy said:
Actually this is a cracking idea!
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I agree. No panels either. Completely basic.
*I'm still waiting for flah 9-10 support but I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon.
THJahar said:
Seconded! I like to choose!
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I forth....this needs to be done...
who's the top rom specialist... i need some help on a projevt.
i call it...
Operation Panelstine Freedom...
Panels running touch hd
A workin skyfire because we need a full functional webbrowser
ROTFLMAO
harvsingh said:
I forth....this needs to be done...
who's the top rom specialist... i need some help on a projevt.
i call it...
Operation Panelstine Freedom...
Panels running touch hd
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ROTFL! "Panelstine"! MUHAHAHA...
The idea for the basic ROM with separate CAB folder sounds great.
I'm also a big fan of Windows Side Show, if you haven't seen it yet you should definitely sheck it out. It's an app using BlueTooth to control your Vista machine, e.g. Windows Media Player, PowerPoint, Outlook, Facebook, etc. Very cool app I must say, but if the basic ROM will get cooked I can install that again myself.
As well as also liking to choose! I would also like to see Remote Sim Access for connection to certain handsfree car kits...
This notion of installing cabs after the flash is all well and good but they will take up storage space, you can't install them to the rom after the flashing procedure so they need to be built in before the flashing procedure to get them into the rom space, maybe one day there'll be a simple chooser to allow people to build their own roms but it's still a long way off..
There is a system to allow people to install their own cabbed software automatically it's called UC and developed by Sleuth255 there's a config builder for it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371832
the rom needs to be built as UC compliant to do this but that's not hard.
The Rom has 512mb of space, this can't be used after a rom has been flashed, so unless you fill it with applications it's going to remain empty and be wasted. it shouldn't be used for apps that get updated regularily 'cos that's a pain to overwrite, or commercial apps 'cos that restricts what people can use.
IMHO It's better to have all the essential apps (and things like tf3d) built into the rom and save the 256mb of storage for apps that are updated frequently or commercial stuff.
Hi
I see what you mean, but given that the X1 has loads of storage, I cant see post install of apps being an issue. You would have to install every app on the planet to fill 256MB? Apps that have huge requirements (tom-tom etc) would just use the SD card?
Additionally, this would mean that those apps had an entry in 'remove programs' and thus could be easily upgraded when new ones came out - or removed if no longer required. Also, you would not need to flash a new rom just to get the latest TF3D installed.
Personally, I just don't have the time to re-flash more than once every 6 months - it takes too long to get the device back into a state where its usable again.
I think this convenience is a small price to pay for under utilising the 512MB of ROM.
Nigel
Hi all
I was wondering how many people here would like to have some sort of way to build an xml which upon completion of a ROM update (which for some us are only day's apart) would change a load of settings to what we want for them
this is just a concept at the moment and i would like to work with someone or the community as a whole to produce a program to do this
the concept i have is as follows:
a simple windows exe Window which has inside it drop down menu's for all of the settings possible (cleartype/text size/regional settings/time zone/notification settings) fields (username for email/password/server addresses/screen name)
and if possible, something to allow us to drag and drop CAB file's into a window which would then also package up the cab's into a folder and spit out/generate the relevant SDCONFIG.txt file
is this at all possible? is there much interest in this?
I can go through and try to find as many of the settings possible and attempt to perhaps find the relevant registry settings even
i would really like to get the ball rolling with this, im sure it could work really well, not only on the raphael, but also on other devices perhaps
please post any interest on this project/concept here and i would really like to do something about this, im about to go and figure out the best way to even code this, however my coding knowledge is about zilch.lol!
.PROVXML files are the ideal place for last minute configuration changes. I'm just starting to explore this avenue and I've found tremendous flexibility in what one can change.
Have a look at the following information ... right from the source
Provisioning Using a ROM Configuration XML File
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb737254.aspx
Configuration Service Provider Reference for Windows Mobile-Based Devices
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms889539.aspx
There's also some excellent thread on XDA ... you'll have to do a bit of searching for them.
HTH,
have you looked at oemizer?
Assume this is the one you mean: http://tiermann.net
... takes the fun out of doing this the "manual way"
Cheers,
I don't use it personally. I came across it when I was learning with my M3100 (Hermes) and it provided a few useful insights at the time when I disected what it had created. I found a few problems and don't use it, but it seems like a similar attempt to what the OP is trying to achieve.
many thanks for the replies
im just looking into the oemizer that was posted and see how that works, however, i get the impression that its for rom cooking
Hi duke_stix,
That's where it's often used ... although, I have come across some posts about utilities that can re-initiate Provision XML files already present on the device or new ones placed on an SD card.
*EDIT* - Some examples
DotFred's Task Manager: http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm
HTCustom: http://shadowmite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2231&p=7890#p7890
Cheers,
I have not seen anything that does exactly what you suggest, but things to look at that are maybe related include
Sashimi
tier-autoinstall (or something like that)
They run the files but don't create them.
You can always just export the reg values and then import them after you flash...
or use a reg to xml program to add it to SDConfig
I'm working on a new app right now that might have the potential to cover what you're asking for, but the exact features necessary to pull off at least a part of it won't be available in the first release. Keep an eye out on the D&H forum in anywhere from a week to two weeks when I post it up there.
Hopefully this is a well known topic and I simply have not yet to locate the information - please try not to flame me too much I've been away for about a year and things have a tendancy to change real quick...
My baseline kitchen / ROM builds have always worked best off a stock OEM dumps - bloat and all. I'm hoping to come across such a gem with the new WWE 6.5 dumps coming available.
Ideally, a similar process could be done as Bepe did to the Hermes rom: Bepe's Big Storage. In this rom the extended and program memory was merged, giving it terrific space (not that I ever needed it ).
Also (and most important for ease of use), his rom dumps included the individual registry entries for each package with each folder - the file names escape me, but it made keeping the registry clean and specific very, very easy. This also makes making a personal kitchen for the masses to use much better as well.
So - has the dumping process for this rom evolved enough that we can replicate Bepe's actions (clean file/registry extraction and merging extended ROM space), do we simply use existing tools for a different platform (such as Touch Pro, Diamond, or whatnot) to extract our own, or is that no longer a driving practice with ROM building?
Thanks for schooling me on the latest ROM process - hopefully I can get one of my Naked builds together for those who perfer lean and fast, cause this bloated gadget is way too fat
Hopefully if there is enough info collected in one spot to either update the Wiki or put up a sticky for everyone to use
Here's a thread from the Raphael device, probably a good enough reference to get started - if it will work with this dump: [TUT] Sous-Chef's Guide to Aruppenthal's XIP Porting Kitchen 5.3
I just PM'd hilaireg - hopefully he has some info if there are hardware differences that would prevent the tools he'd referenced from working...
hi,
i found this thread regarding radio dump but it is for smartphone device (wings).
i haven't tried this yet.
hopefully the process can be used to our device.
edit:
also found this thread regarding rebuilding of dumped roms (raw files) from topaz.
just change the htcrt to our device config.
regards,
twisted
WB Matt!
I think things really have changed a lot from Wizard and Hermes days!
For Kaiser, I use OEM from 6.1 dump, and use 6.5 SYS files! It seems to work better for us Kaiser users.
I am not sure about old way if cooking though! New way is much easier, and real fast to switch between devices even.
But I know you have creative ideas to even make a noob cook! So I am looking forward to your contributions...
Here's hilaireg's response - he added a couple good links and info:
"Hi Matt,
I agree that the TP2 section of the forum is still somewhat sparse.
Arup's XIP porting process was tailored around PkgToolsBuildOS 5.3 which doesn't properly support WinMO 6.5 ... hence the release of Visual Kitchen by Ervius.
IMHO, I would suggest performing a dump of a TP2 official RUU's using the latest version (1.8.1) of Visual Kitchen and forgo using the old PkgToolsBuildOS.
I'm sure you've likely been following Da_G's threads on WinMO 6.5 ... just in case:
[OS][WM6.5.x] Latest Releases (23034), Porting, Tutorials, Tools, VM, etc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544445
There's this thread as well that may serve of use if you run into extraction issues using Visual Kitchen 1.8.1.
[APP][UTIL]nbImageTool .4 (Partition Dumper) support .nbh .nb .dio .fat .nb0 .payload
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548315
The utility may allow you to extract the portions you need (ex: XIP, .PAYLOAD,etc.) and have VK perform the SYS/OEM package extraction. From there, you may be able to piece together a "functional" kitchen from both extraction processes."
ai6908 / twisted - thanks! I did have a lot of success mixing OEM and SYS packages - but the fun was making every element of the ROM being optional, and allowing someone to build a completly empty ROM, or only adding exactly what they want. This way, they can balance bloat vs speed, and find their perfect balance. This flexibility keeps every mix clean and quick
Once I get a good grasp on what's going on, I'll redo the first post with a summary and process for this device, FYI Best way to learn
Good to see you here. I remember the pandora stuff and look forward to this.
Options around things like extendir might be good?
Things have changed quite a bit Matt. I remember your excellent tutorials and guidance from my Hermes days We don't have extended memory anymore and all packages get dumped with their corresponding dsm and rgu, it 's very easy. The newer "visual kitchen" made by bepe and erv, use app.reg and did away with dsm's. Da_G is working on a microsoft based kitchen that will enable us to update any file in the ROM without flashing the whole rom again and that will be possible by the reintroduction of DSM's in the cooking process. You can IM me if you want to chat about all this.. Top right corner
(Sorry for possible silly questions, but I'm still at Andrews for a couple more days and am without a PC )
Interesting... editing/deleting files in a live rom... gonna have to chew on that concept for a while. Wonder how this will effect page file settings. Wow...!
The .dsm/.rgu extraction being clean is good news - trying to break out the individual registry elements is a big pain.
Good as well is the lack of extended memory, but do we recover unused space if not used for the "program" - in that this space is usable to load apps into?
I'll still need to research more, but if we're using app.reg, will the compiler still add .rgu entries into the compiled hive? This will be important to keep package selection clean in a multiple selection kitchen, unless I am unaware of the new kitchen capabilities and this won't be an issue.
I do have some ideas, and a whole lot more programming under my belt than before. Can't wait to get home and get started
Please consider looking at the issue of activating MSVC with the bluetooth headset button if you can. I am not sure if this is fixed in 6.5 but cannot make it work in 6.1. The TP2 usues a different BT stack so I am told. This is allegedly a business phone and this is a mjor feature espcially with the current laws around mobile phones and driving in the UK.
Cheers, and looking forward to whatever you release.
Matt my old friend, I'm sorry for taking a while but i have successfully converted my hermes, kaiser, fuze kitchen to rhodium for you... i'll upload shortly when i get home and you can do what you want with it has all stock extracted rhodium and if you have questions buzz me and i'll answer
Also matt, add me to messenger, it would be an honor to help you with this. get you up to speed
mattk_r said:
(Sorry for possible silly questions, but I'm still at Andrews for a couple more days and am without a PC )
Interesting... editing/deleting files in a live rom... gonna have to chew on that concept for a while. Wonder how this will effect page file settings. Wow...!
The .dsm/.rgu extraction being clean is good news - trying to break out the individual registry elements is a big pain.
Good as well is the lack of extended memory, but do we recover unused space if not used for the "program" - in that this space is usable to load apps into?
I'll still need to research more, but if we're using app.reg, will the compiler still add .rgu entries into the compiled hive? This will be important to keep package selection clean in a multiple selection kitchen, unless I am unaware of the new kitchen capabilities and this won't be an issue.
I do have some ideas, and a whole lot more programming under my belt than before. Can't wait to get home and get started
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if the rgu entries are in the OEM or sys folder sections of the new rom kitchen it will be added to hive.. App.reg is looked at in EXT folder of the kitchen now.
Hi Folks,
I'm sure the answers to my questions are somewhere on XDA, but I've not been able to find them. I've been trying to get some basic things working for a good few evenings now and I’m stuck
Using Erviuskitchen, packages creator 5.4 and EXT_PAckages_rebuilder I've been able to dump the HTC 6.5 base ROM to work from. Then put it all back together, pull some bits out, cook it and flash it to my phone....all went surprisingly well, my phone's still running and a bit more bloat-free!
What I'm stumped on though is adding things to my ROM, I'm good with packages found elsewhere, but nothing of my own.
I've got a bunch of .CABs which I'd like to 'cook in'... but when I create a package from the CAB file using packages creator 5.4 and EXT_PAckages_rebuilder and then flash it, I get no start menu icons. The app seems to be installed correctly, but without icons for it.
(my goal's to cook in a pre-configured copy of GuardMobile for if my phone's evey lost/stolen, but I'd like to be able to include other apps too).
What am I missing?
On a slightly different note: during my travels around here, I've seen various cooked ROMs which give you the option of uninstalling cooked-in apps as if they'd been installed using a .CAB file - how's this bit done?
Like I mentioned, I’m sure the these are pretty basic questions and the answers are around here somewhere, but I'm afraid my search-powers are failing me! (tbh, there's just too much info and I'm struggling to filter it down to what I need).
Any links or quick pointers would be greatly appreciated. Hey if my ROM turns out to be any good, I’ll put it up for others to use.
Thanks in anticipation!
'tunes
Most times when creating a package the shortcut created in the CAB is added to some .DAT file which you can edit using Notepad++ or any other text editor.
There should be some lines in this file like this:
Code:
Directory("\Windows"):-Directory("Start Menu\Programs")
Directory("\Windows\Start Menu\Programs"):-File("PROGRAMNAME.lnk","\Windows\SOURCESHORTCUT.lnk")
At least this is one way to do it. Con about this methode is that you need shortcuts (lnk) in your Windows folder to point to. Should be other ways. I use Mortscript in my ROM (not ready for release ) this allows me to create shortcuts without having shortcuts in my Windows folder.
EDIT:
Just did a quick search for you. THIS might help you (and us) out
Thanks mccune, I'll get reading...