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AT&T Availability ?

How will we know when it's available at AT&T ? Do they usually have a press release or something ? Should I just call the store periodically ?
Thanks

RacerX10 said:
How will we know when it's available at AT&T ? Do they usually have a press release or something ? Should I just call the store periodically ?
Thanks
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There's already a plenty of discussions. Please search.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326634
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327590
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327425
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325658
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324966

None of that says how we'll know when it's available. No search needed.

RacerX10 said:
None of that says how we'll know when it's available. No search needed.
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Logic needed?
AT&T isn't going to send you a text message, they aren't going to call you, and they aren't going to show up at your home or work. You'll know when the Tilt/8925 is released with AT&T when it's either a) Posted here, b) You call or visit an AT&T store every day until it's released, or c) You visit AT&T's website until you see something posted on this particular subject.

evolution_theory said:
Logic needed?
AT&T isn't going to send you a text message, they aren't going to call you, and they aren't going to show up at your home or work. You'll know when the Tilt/8925 is released with AT&T when it's either a) Posted here, b) You call or visit an AT&T store every day until it's released, or c) You visit AT&T's website until you see something posted on this particular subject.
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What do you mean, they really wont send me a text message. What if I tell them that I really really want it?

Ok just got off the phone with HTC-americas main dealer and this is what he said after doing some checking. ATT gets it 1st witch we all knew already. Also it showed a Launch date of sept again we knew this.
With a bit more checking he said it showed in his comp that They will be selling it on the 14th with orders going out on the 18th meaning the 11th date could very well be the date ATT goes live with theres.
Again this is right from HTC sales site so info sould be correct.

magnamar said:
Ok just got off the phone with HTC-americas main dealer and this is what he said after doing some checking. ATT gets it 1st witch we all knew already. Also it showed a Launch date of sept again we knew this.
With a bit more checking he said it showed in his comp that They will be selling it on the 14th with orders going out on the 18th meaning the 11th date could very well be the date ATT goes live with theres.
Again this is right from HTC sales site so info sould be correct.
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Man, I just hope so! This wait has already devastated me. You guys won't believe how many times I check xda-developers and other discussion forums.

magnamar said:
Ok just got off the phone with HTC-americas main dealer and this is what he said after doing some checking. ATT gets it 1st witch we all knew already. Also it showed a Launch date of sept again we knew this.
With a bit more checking he said it showed in his comp that They will be selling it on the 14th with orders going out on the 18th meaning the 11th date could very well be the date ATT goes live with theres.
Again this is right from HTC sales site so info sould be correct.
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Please be right, please be right, please be right, sorry when Im desperate I tend to chant LOL

hehe im in the same boat as you guys are wanting one been useing a rokr for the past month sence my 8125 was killed waiting for the kaiser and its been killing me lol

Im awaitin on that there text mesage that that racer dude is sending out hehe no search needed.......man I wish someone would post something about the availibility of that kaiser phone....hehe what a funny post that was.
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Yup...really sick of my 8125..been browsing every site multiple times a day trying to find a hint of the actual release. Really itching to get this phone!

Are some of you people stupid, or are you unable to read.
My question had NOTHING to do with "when will it be available"
My question had EVERYTHING to do with "what sort of notification will there be"
I'm merely looking for some input from people who have been around for previous phone launches (8125,8525) and have experience with
how AT&T did their release.
jeebus
<sigh>

RacerX10 said:
Are some of you people stupid, or are you unable to read.
My question had NOTHING to do with "when will it be available"
My question had EVERYTHING to do with "what sort of notification will there be"
I'm merely looking for some input from people who have been around for previous phone launches (8125,8525) and have experience with
how AT&T did their release.
jeebus
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Writing things like that to people who are experienced with phone launches is not the way to invite their help. You asked for advice and they gave it. Can't we all just get along? We are all excited with the release of such a marvelous creation
Btw...Hello fellow members!

Here let me put this a way you can understand then.
You will know when you see it up on there site. If you dont know where to look then just ask rather then being a Jackass about it. on the ATT site click support then forums there is a section called announcements it will be post there.
Also you can visit the HTC americas site to see when its live here. Noone is going to hold your hand and txt call or whatever you when its avil you will eather A. have to wait till someone takes pity on you and post here or B. be a big boy and learn to check there sites for yourself.

RacerX10 said:
Are some of you people stupid, or are you unable to read.
My question had NOTHING to do with "when will it be available"
My question had EVERYTHING to do with "what sort of notification will there be"
I'm merely looking for some input from people who have been around for previous phone launches (8125,8525) and have experience with
how AT&T did their release.
jeebus
<sigh>
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Rule #422 dont be an asshole. If you post a question such as this at a time like this it is bound to go off topic at some point. However calling people "stupid" or say they cant read just makes you sound like an idiot yourself. Speaking as a fellow noob, I will say that this site has been the best resource I have found anywhere...period. So my advice is dont be rude simply because it went off topic.
Now in regard to your question on at&t previous launches, they suck. I followed the 8125 for a while but was new and didnt really know what I was missing so I at least wasnt losing my mind. The 8525 on the other hand was a different story, lost my freaking mind. I watched several supposed launch dates come and go and it was finally released in November. My way of dealing with this is just have fun with it, trust that it will be worth it, and save some extra cash back while waiting. I personally dont believe we'll see it as soon as everyone thinks though. I hope Im wrong but you could just call it a gut feeling.

swtaltima said:
Now in regard to your question on at&t previous launches, they suck. I followed the 8125 for a while but was new and didnt really know what I was missing so I at least wasnt losing my mind. The 8525 on the other hand was a different story, lost my freaking mind. I watched several supposed launch dates come and go and it was finally released in November. My way of dealing with this is just have fun with it, trust that it will be worth it, and save some extra cash back while waiting. I personally dont believe we'll see it as soon as everyone thinks though. I hope Im wrong but you could just call it a gut feeling.
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Thanks amigo, I appreciate the info. I guess I was just wondering if they'd make it obvious when it was available (web site update) or if you had to go looking for one (calling around to different stores, etc)
Have a good one,
DLD

RacerX10 said:
Thanks amigo, I appreciate the info. I guess I was just wondering if they'd make it obvious when it was available (web site update) or if you had to go looking for one (calling around to different stores, etc)
Have a good one,
DLD
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Trust me, you will know when AT&T releases this phone! With so much hype just about the rumor dates, imagine when it finally gets released. You won't even have to check their website or visit a store, you will just about see it everywhere.

I hope that it doesn't cost a but load for the service. think Tmobile will get it any time in the next two years? I like Tmobile because I can tweak my plan and have more freedom it feels like; off topic, yes, but why not chat since nobody knows the answer to the thread other than soon

well - in the SF Bay area a rep checked and said she couldnt say when it was going to be released.. after a little pressing she mentioned end of the month was all she could say.
for all its worth

I was speaking with an HTC US customer service rep about my new TYTN II that I had just received and he said "did you know AT&T is releasing it on Oct 1?"
for what it's worth

diamond unlock free

I posted links to a free Diamond unlocker on here last week and subsequently recieved a 7 day ban.
The ban stated the reason was "posting other peoples work".
I didnt know if the software was working,fake,safe or easy to use as my device is already unlocked but in the nature of xdadev forums i posted it in case it was of use to anybody.
I most definately didnt claim the software as my own nor did i try to profit from the work of others.
I guess it upset somebody as like i said i recieved a weeks ban for my efforts which i think was kinda harsh considering.
Wouldve have been a bit more civil to have just removed the post,links and PMed asking/demanding that i dont post the software here or anywhere else and i would have happily complied.
**** i still dont know who banned me and for what reason exactly but i aint complaining about a poxy 7 day ban that was easily bypassed by logging in as a guest to browse the forums, just wouldve been nice to been asked a question before being shot.
Just for the record

If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.

It's cuz the devs are charging money for unlocking the devices. They say it will be free later, so I guess until then nobody else can start giving out codes for free.
There's a couple of posts about it in the ROM Dev thread

adwinp said:
If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.
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Yea thats what happened as far as I can see.
The software I aquired is being sold by the dev/devs which is fair enough if they feel its worth the asking price and theres a market then **** it
let them eat cake.
My reason for this post was just that I didnt care for the way the matter was dealt with by banning me with out so much as a valid reason or reply to my attempts to contact them over the last week.
I also posted to state the fact that i didnt claim the software to be mine or attempt to gain financial or kudos rewards for the post.
If like I stated I had been approached with the facts rather than just getting banned I would have happily removed the link and file from my hosting and even blagged that the software I had was a fake if that would have appeased the powers that be and kept the coin rolling in for the dev/devs.
The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
Also im now getting unsolicited PMs asking for the software and I aint the ignorant type.
I can understand people being pissed off as i was unintentionaly offering for free what they was selling but i just think the matter could have been dealt with differently.
Fex

I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.

adwinp said:
I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you mate which is why like I mentioned If I had been informed I would have if able to, happily taken measures to repair and repent my minor discretion

I understand where you’re coming from innocent until proven guilty and all that. But, sh*t happens then you die... so don’t worry about it.
fex said:
The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
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I also agree with you regarding the unlocker is out in the wild. It’s available on bit torrent and various online forums mostly in foreign languages...
I do like the idea that they have come up with which is to give it out for free to people who support this site and charge the ones that don’t as its most likely these people who will go on to profit out of the software by selling it on as a service.

hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.

im sure someone in this forum selling that...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414835 see the link and any question of who banned you will be solved my friend...

adwinp said:
hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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I already found it.... used it... and... IT WORKS!...
Just unlocked 16 Diamonds from Portuguese TMN!...

adwinp said:
hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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Well, found it as well, cheers!

instructions within
can anyone assist with a bit more user friendly instructions for the above topic, and do i need to use an xp system rather than my vista device?
all help would be appreciated.
cheers

help....
can someone supply better instructions, for this unlocker....

Works on Vista Ultimate Perfectly!
The unlocker works on vista. I should know. It worked perfectly on my phone.
The last step's hit and miss. For some reason (i'm guessing the dev had a twisted sense of humor), the app'll close instantly unless you try and freeze it open. The best way to do this is launch diamunlock.exe and press the UP button on your phone REPEATEDLY. After about 5-10 tries, the program will stay open and you can take your time.
I do admire what the dev was doing by selling this but TBH from what i've seen about XDA-Dev, software is given away and donations are asked for later. This new approach of charge first and that's it, while expected, doesn't seem to fit with the ethos of xda-dev and as such, i don't feel like i should promote it by paying for the software.
Now if it had been donationware? Hell yeah you best believe i'd have sent 10-20 bucks the dev's way.

Hy,
With this solution I've unlocked severall phones, and since I believe that knollege should be payed, I've given already 2 donations to this forum in general... of course I refuse to pay to anyone in specific if the solution is out for free!...
And I think everyone should recognise this forum's usefullness with some sort of donation, either knollege or money.
BR

Well, this thread surely doesnt serve any purpose other than simply gossiping (in a polite language) about someone else's work around here. So thread closed and I dont think its wrong. Will be moved to trash soon, just wanting the OP to take his time and read this post. PM a MOD if you feel otherwise

Chinese iphone clone

Hi!
I just got a phone bought in Dubai, that appears to be a iphone clone. The problem however is that i can't figure out which one this is. I've tride to open the phone, read trough the manual, tried MyPhoneExplorer in help of identifing it, with no luck.
Does anyone have any idea about some tools, something to figure this out? I can't even figure out which OS its running.
Yeah, im a newbie.
Thanks in advance.

Welcome to forums
This is an HTC devices only forum, hope someone can point you to the right place but do not expect too much as apart from not being HTC also is a copy
Good luck,

Thanks for your reply
True, i also have a touch diamond, thats why i love this place =)
just threw in a longshot in hope of someone having the knowledge of some tools or any advice at all regarding this strange device.

well what comes up when you plug the phone into your computer? (i'm assuming you have an appropriate cable).

I have several choices i.e mass storage etc, but the COM connection displays as a "MTK6255" which my OS (win7) dont recognize.

MTK6255 is the platform on your phone.
Try using the MTK driver from here:
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=540559

might be a meizu m8...i have one

Don't think so. The M8 runs on Windows CE platform as described here:
http://www.techtickerblog.com/2009/02/09/meizu-m8-review/

i think i just found your phone here:
http://www.downtownkey.com/hiphone-3g-music-cell-phone-support-mp3mp4-bluetooth_p7403.html
Note the CPU.

SciPhone?
It might be a SciPhone.
This guy put together a review of a lot of the iPhone clones: http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/Sciphone-i68.html.
There is a forum for SciPhones, http://www.mysciphone.com/English_Sciphone_Forum/index.php. I'd check that out too.
The MTK processors are really, really, really slow and do not run Windows Mobile.
I have a CiPhone C5, which runs on a 450MhZ Samsung Processor with Windows Mobile 6.1 OS. Much better than any of the phones you'll find at mysciphone.com. xda-developers.com has been amazing for learning how to use and modify my phone.

Welcome to the forum
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Please guys!
Do not buy copies, they are cheap, bad quality and not long lasting
Buy the original stuff!

Thanks so much for replys guys, really appreciate it.
For the Sciphone i68-3G, its identical in looks, but i dont have any 3,5mm Jack
Whereas to the hiphone, I found this:
"How to find HiPhone firmware version
Call #*44673#1# and press "version info". You should now see the firmware version of your HiPhone."
Which dont work for me...
thesecondsfade: Is the MTK processor really that sucky? I really dont think i will be using this phone anyways, but I really just want to explore and learn as much as i can. But if it is that crap, i guess i cant do anything
I may have forgotten to mention that i found somewhere in the manual where it stated "mini iphoen" "mini iphone". -But aint so mini imo..

orb3000 said:
Welcome to the forum
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Thanks . It's been so helpful for me so far.
orb3000 said:
Please guys!
Do not buy copies, they are cheap, bad quality and not long lasting
Buy the original stuff!
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I know it's probably not as high quality as some of the other retail phones available on long data/phone contracts with the US cell phone companies, but I just can't afford that. I really wanted a new Windows Mobile phone without having to sign up for an expensive plan to get it... so I bought the CiPhone C5. I did a lot of research before buying it.

tiddylicious said:
Thanks so much for replys guys, really appreciate it.
For the Sciphone i68-3G, its identical in looks, but i dont have any 3,5mm Jack
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It's probably the i68+, not the i68+3G. The 3G model has the 3.5mm jack, the i68+ doesn't.
tiddylicious said:
Whereas to the hiphone, I found this:
"How to find HiPhone firmware version
Call #*44673#1# and press "version info". You should now see the firmware version of your HiPhone."
Which dont work for me...
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Try putting *#8375# into the dialer.
tiddylicious said:
thesecondsfade: Is the MTK processor really that sucky? I really dont think i will be using this phone anyways, but I really just want to explore and learn as much as i can.
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I had one for about a month and it was too slow for my tastes. The firmware was flawed as well. There is a website you can upgrade your firmware, but that'll cost you another $40 bucks or so... probably not worth it but you can decide that for yourself.
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But if it is that crap, i guess i cant do anything
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You can sell it on eBay
tiddylicious said:
I may have forgotten to mention that i found somewhere in the manual where it stated "mini iphoen" "mini iphone". -But aint so mini imo..
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The Chinese clones are known to be sketchy when it comes to their manuals... or even in their descriptions of what they're selling. Most sellers just try to say whatever they can to sell the phones without really knowing what exactly they're selling.

Try putting *#8375# into the dialer.
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Didnt work.
I guess ill sell this and buy the proper phone, HTC Hero

The only other dail code I know for the clones is *#433943#.

this works
*#11*# gives you the software version

that post... are you serious? Cause I would understand if it wasn't intentional... but...
that's just pure fail, in all it's beauty.
FAIL
FAAAAIL

Hi,
I bought a Chinese phone, a clone of the Blackberry HS 9500 I think (looks like the Blockberry 9500 clone) and it has the Engrish manual as you might expect.
Given that I set my aims before purchase (I wanted a cheap dual SIM and not much else besides a media player, basic camera, bluetooth … couldn't care less about the TV/FM and so on) and, it isn't bad but the media player is fairly rubbish inasmuch as I have no idea how to get it to play a track (pref. a series of tracks).
A colleague, though, intrigued me with talk of alternate OS's for phones and given that its OS is by far the worst part of the phone (not bad but not good either) I wondered if cheap phones of this kind can be given a new OS and, if so, how I go about it?
Thx for any advice
Keke

I bought mine from Bigboxstores and within a week it had a dead pixel on screen. I emailed them and said I was returning it for a refund. I packaged it exactly as it was received and it was in mint condition. A whole month went by and I kept emailing them and asking if they had it, eventually they said they did and were checking it. I eventually got an email saying 'sorry no refund, phone works fine, has a few marks on it, thank you'.
No offer to exchange it or anything. I have resigned myself to the fact I have lost my money. Such terrible customer service and using a pony excuse to avoid refunding me. It's not like I'm gonna travel to China to get my money back.
My advice is steer clear of copies and do NOT buy from Bigboxstores as if there is problem with your phone, you will NOT get your money back.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

change the esn?

Is the only way to do this with the cdma developer program
I just bought a HTC pro but its in a negative file
I have a HTC 6800 that i broke the screen on with all clean numbes like the esn can i somehow swap them with out paying another 200 dollar to buy the full program

Negative list? My guess is what your trying to say is that the phone is blacklisted because it has been stolen or lost and that the legetimate owner called the phone company to put the ESN on a blacklist. This is highly illegal and immoral as you are trying to steal the property of someone else... Even if you paid good money for it.
In that case I don't think anyone here on XDA will be helping you. It's not because we are unlocking phones here and by this way we violate the terms of the limited warranty of mobile phone opperators that we all steal and pirate stuff. We merely enhance the functionnality of our phones. If you found the phone or stole it you should bring it back to it's belonging carrier in a store.
Anyway if this is not the case you should know that even if both the phones are your legal property(Then I apologize for the little morality speech... Please ignore it.), this is still an illegal procedure you are undertaking. I really doubt you will find active help in this thread, moreover this has been discussed many times in other threads. Have you search?
Good luck anyway in getting a working phone!

Its not stolen the guy that had it before still owes money on the bill so the phone cant be used
bell knows I have the phone
I have done a lot of searching and I have found a lot out
Just wondering if there was a way around the program for $200 that will help me fix the phone
Ide like to get it working .......... worst part is that i know it can be done Just need a bit of direction
O well.............

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Its not stolen the guy that had it before still owes money on the bill so the phone cant be used
bell knows I have the phone
I have done a lot of searching and I have found a lot out
Just wondering if there was a way around the program for $200 that will help me fix the phone
Ide like to get it working .......... worst part is that i know it can be done Just need a bit of direction
O well.............
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I hope I'm not going to get into trouble for linking off site, this isn't the place for this topic as psyko_chewbacca said. I think you might be interested in this thread though http://www.mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87425&page=20 the solution(post 192?) is for a touch diamond, might work on your phone. A forum search on that site might turn up even more. That site is more appropriate for topics such as this though.
Regards,
Willis

Thanks!
That thread has lots of good info abut as far as i can see i still need CDMA workshop
im still looking for it

[Application]XDA TV 1.0

Reminds me of something... But I cant put my finger on it
Mod Edit: Links removed - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4745624&postcount=8
Its skinned to remove all logos, The only thing I could not remove was the text. I made it for myself, keep that in mind. I am just sharing.
*edit* if the original does not work, I doubt this one will but use the same install information 555-555-5555 and you must have the widget on your home screen. Launch it from the widget preferably.

is there anything different about these apks? Are they wifi compatible?

I tried wifi compatibility and it is still in the works but as of now this is only for looks but I am working on wifi as I post this.

555-555-5555?? call that number while the widget is up?

On some of the sprint apps it makes you comfirm that you are a sprint customer, so instead of sending sprint our real phone numbers (caller id=your name) we send them fake ones, like 555-555-5555

this seems like not a smart thing for you to do.

DemoShadow said:
Reminds me of something... But I cant put my finger on it
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Its skinned to remove all logos, The only thing I could not remove was the text. I made it for myself, keep that in mind. I am just sharing.
*edit* if the original does not work, I doubt this one will but use the same install information 555-555-5555 and you must have the widget on your home screen. Launch it from the widget preferably.
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so basically you just violated alot of copyright laws....

Unfortunately, some may think, we cannot allow links to modded paying software. The software in question is provided under licence to Sprint users only. Now, we try not to sensor knowledge here, so we not going to delete all references to the fact that this software can be ported to non Sprint devices and used free of charge in breach of terms and conditions, BUT we cannot permit links to the software that would actively encourage members to break the law.
Mike
Links will be removed

It's not the fact that it is Sprint software ported over to the G1. It is the fact that he removed all of Sprint's branding. That's like taking the the Google Maps app (or any Google app) and removing Google's name from it. It's simply just a breach of copyright.

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It's not the fact that it is Sprint software ported over to the G1. It is the fact that he removed all of Sprint's branding. That's like taking the the Google Maps app (or any Google app) and removing Google's name from it. It's simply just a breach of copyright.
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Well, that too but the whole subject of the Sprint / Telnav software has been raised and discussed with Mods and Admin so there are issues regarding the use of such software on non Sprint phones.
Mike

Wow. Mike you have got to be one of the fairest, most logical forum mods I have ever had the pleasure to read. I am very impressed with the way in which this was handled.

mike i thought your site got closed because u had all the htc breakdown videos and what of that? but i do understand the point so i say lets make a new site that will let you post or upload. that way we can get the goods and xda dont get the blame if i remeber november 27 windows came down on xda for the same ish so please pleas dont let it happen to android just look for a new method for the shares. but i do like the work and want the app i was to late late for the link !!!!! Thanx mike !!!!!

*edit*( november 2007 )

llxll0m3g4llxll said:
mike i thought your site got closed because u had all the htc breakdown videos and what of that? but i do understand the point so i say lets make a new site that will let you post or upload. that way we can get the goods and xda dont get the blame if i remeber november 27 windows came down on xda for the same ish so please pleas dont let it happen to android just look for a new method for the shares. but i do like the work and want the app i was to late late for the link !!!!! Thanx mike !!!!!
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I was shut down for a while and had to remove some things, but in the end reached a sort of unofficial compromise on intellectual property rights.
This is a delicate issue, in my case I don't offer folks something they would normally have to pay for through their network or otherwise. (I offer stuff they should not have, even if they have money to pay for it!!).
I guess our bottom line is that knowledge should be freely available, but handing folk the tools, to install stuff that is very close to being Warez, is off-limits. (Robbing banks with an uzi can be profitable = knowledge, but handing out uzis and suggesting you rob a bank, crosses the line)
.... and yes we know cooking ROMs and such is also a grey area, but even there we say that ROMs should not be cooked that include for free any software for which the user would normally have to pay.
If someone set up a site with Sprint software on it - that's entirely up to them. We would probably even accept a link to it if the poster said "hey here's a breakdown of a Sprint ROM" In fact that would probably be OK to post here - at least until someone asked for a "take-down"
The problem only comes when someone says you can load this stuff on non-Sprint phones and get stuff for free and just to help you do that here are the links. In other words that ceases to be a theoretical point of information and becomes an encouragement to do something naughty. If folks want t be naughty then they have to do so, by reading the knowledge and then looking for the tools from whatever source, here or elsewhere without our help.
These kinds of things have been debated many times here at XDA - there are no absolute rights and wrongs, only things we think are more or less safe for us to do - just like life generally I guess
Mike

mikechannon said:
These kinds of things have been debated many times here at XDA - there are no absolute rights and wrongs, only things we think are more or less safe for us to do - just like life generally I guess
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Well said Mike. When I read it, I had a /foreheadslap moment thinking, "well duh, this should be pretty obvious," but im constantly reminded that there are users on here who simply feel they have a right or deserve to have any given piece of software if it is leaked online.
The bottom line is, do not post software that has not been explicity licensed as open source unless you have obtained permission to redistribute. As a general rule of thumb, if the software cannot be legally obtained unless you pay someone (e.g. it comes preloaded on a phone) or can be obtained free but only if you agree to a license agreement (downloading certain software update packages) then you should not redistribute it on xda or elsewhere.