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WM5 vs WM 2003SE on O2 XDA IIs

i have read the postings on the upgrade of WM5 on the Blue Angel device..
what i would like to know is what will WM5 do for me that WM 2003SE won't... are there any real benefits.. and do all the functions still work... wifi, gprs, phone etc..
i'm using the 1.40 ROM and don't really have that many problems..
every now and then the device resets by itself.. if i open the inbox, or change the phone on/off... otherwise it seems to run great.
is there any speed increase in using WM5 ??
any benefits in wifi or GPRS and emails ??
thanks..

hi
I had the opportunity to test WM5 in my himalaya device...
It wont be so different than yours but here is my 2 cents:
-Slower than WM2003SE
like 80% of WM2003 speed
-sometimes the cellphone rings once but for the other party is the 3rd or 4th ring.
-Lot of software bugs and incompatibilities.
bugs with camera and MMS
Camera= worse than the WM2003 one
MMS= I can send but when I receive, the page is blank (no objects, sounds, pics)
I just return to WM2003SE
Yes, is ugly than WM5 but is better, bug-less
hope this helps you.
Anyway, you can try WM5 and If you dont like it, go back to WM2003SE again, well at least work for me that way.

Same 2 Me...
I just get back to 2003SE...
But I miss the look of WM5

I'm back to 2003SE too!
The only thing i miss of WM5 is the Persistance Storage.

2003 gets my vote for now
I'm back to 2003, I ran several versions of the WM5 roms from Maimach. I can say that WM5 is fun, cool and all that but I didn't see any reason to stay with it. The persistent storage thing can be solved for me by backing up my contacts and appointments to a SD card along with the main apps I use on a daily basis on my SD card. Then when I lose power, I just reload the backup of my contacts database, re-load the apps from my SD card and I'm back up and running in just a few minutes. The speed and reliability were the two main reasons I came back. I ran WM5 for at least 6 weeks so I know I gave it a fair shot. I've found that I only use my phone for a few things:
1. Email
2. Phone (duh!)
3. Mp3 player (TCPMP)
4. Limited internet (google/froogle/weather/movie times/news/etc)
5. A few games when I'm stuck in traffic. =)
None of these functions were necessarily performed better in WM5, most of them actually were quite a bit slower but I decided to live with it because I was on WM5!!!
After going back to 2003 (1.42 rom) I was SHOCKED at how much faster it was. I had gotten so used to the sluggish performance of WM5 that I had forgotten what it was like to answer the phone on the first ring, watch outlook email open immediately instead of "within a few seconds" and not have skips when I listen to mp3's. Don't get me wrong, I TRULY appreciate the work Maimach and others are doing to get wm5 on our devices but it's more of a developers toy right now than an actual OS replacement for our devices. When they get a version of WM5 that's written for the xScale processor I think we'll see a HUGE difference.
For now, I'm back to 2k3 and not dissappointed at all.

Me 2
I am also back to 2k3 three weeks ago after 1 morning running 2k5.

Re: 2003 gets my vote for now
dmelton75 said:
For now, I'm back to 2k3 and not dissappointed at all.
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Which version of ROM 2k3SE did you use...
I'm using 1.42.... Some times when someone call me, the name not show...even that number already in my phone book....
Thanks

i have used windos mobile 5 since the first version on this forum (yep with all bugs and no camera) i have tried all upgrades and versions. and i have all most satisfied with the wizard version (v2) its really more faster. but i onlgy have no problems if i dont use my BA . some times i don´t have fone, other time don´t have sms, mms. lots off crash, with gps and tomtom navigator very instability, every time i put some software in today screen, the BA crash.. etc. etc..
now i have finaly go back to 2003 (version 1.42) and use wall memory (like wb5) use the wisbar advance 2 and my Ba its great.. but i still come here to see if there is some advance in stability on the wb5 .
when the ppl off this forum "bill" a windows mobil 5 running at 95% i reflash my rom again
thanks guys for everything

What's the use of 2005

I must say after months of flashing and upgrading to a zillion new WM 2005 romz, I'm so happy i went back to 2003 SE. (no disrespect to the fine work of all developers here)
I almost forgot how fast my device could be. And do we really need all the extra applications wm 2005 has to offer? Seems most people just want a fast device that lasts 2 days on battery.
The single problem 2003 has is the bluetooth issue, which still exists in some way in all WM 2005 versions. Isn't there a way to just fix the BT issue in 2003?
grtz

let just say ppl have different preference.

do u have the latest BT stack from widcomm ie ver 3900. It works OK for me(running WM2003SE)

actually no, i don't. I just have the standard rom. (140.556 i believe) Were can i get that? and can i install it separately?

nijhof said:
I must say after months of flashing and upgrading to a zillion new WM 2005 romz, I'm so happy i went back to 2003 SE. (no disrespect to the fine work of all developers here)
I almost forgot how fast my device could be. And do we really need all the extra applications wm 2005 has to offer? Seems most people just want a fast device that lasts 2 days on battery.
The single problem 2003 has is the bluetooth issue, which still exists in some way in all WM 2005 versions. Isn't there a way to just fix the BT issue in 2003?
grtz
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I would agree, I have a BA with 2003 SE, a Wizard WM5 and a Prophet WM5. The BA certainly seems to run much faster.

nijhof said:
actually no, i don't. I just have the standard rom. (140.556 i believe) Were can i get that? and can i install it separately?
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I am talking about BT stack(and not ROM version)
You may check the FTP site for it

sorry i'm kind of a newbie, but I have bluetooth version BT-PPCE/PE 1.0.0 (www.broadcom.com) Build 3900 with ROM 140.00WWE and radio 1.1300 (1.15 did not work also)
is this the widcomm you mean?
if not, i could not locate it on the ftp site.
help is much appreciated.

for me, the most important beside having this BA as a phone is handling emails (in Vietnamese, a typical non english character set). 2K3 sucks a lot in handling this, and I still don't find any application which can substitute this UTF-8 in 2K3 outlook. With 2k5, life is much easier, but sucks in another aspect: cannot handle many emails (say - I am synchronyzing at only 1 week latest emails, while with my previous 2K3, it was 1 month without any problem).
Any suggestion to handle UTF-8 in outlook under 2k3 environment will make me coming back to 2k3 IMMEDIATELY!
Thanks for reading

I would like to see this thread filled with more info and turned into a wiki page comparing BA+2003SE vs BA+WM5...
Some things I would like to have better explained:
STORAGE - I have read that 2003SE divides its ram to be used as, well, ram, and the other part to be used as storage (like a ramdisk). So the is a backup battery to keep this ram alive if the main battery gets exhausted, but if you don't recharge for an extended time this battery could die too and lead to data loss and a hard reset.
In contrast, there would be no mode 'ramdisk' in WM5. This would solve the data loss issue, and have an impact on filesystem performance which is understandable. Well, BA+2003SE has 128MB of ram dived 50-50 by default between actual ram and storage and 96 mb of persistent storage, 40something available to the user. How does it change while using BA+WM5?
BATTERY LIFE - does it improve? if we have no more ramdisk, and thus no risk of data loss, do we have backup battery + main battery juice to chug along happily with our BAs?
PERFORMANCE - Do WM5 apps perform better than 2003/SE? Do they use more or less memory? the filesystem performance drop should affect apps differently...
STABILITY - How often do we need to soft reset with WM5? On my BA+2003SE, for example, I have to soft reset before using my GPRS. it connects once, and keeps happy until I stop using the connection for some time. After that it gets lost and I have to soft reset the machine to conect to GPRS again...

Persistent Storage
The reason I use the WM5 rom is the persistent storage.
I realize that not everyone runs their phone battery down or changes the battery (and I don't do it that often) but it's a nice not to have to do a backup everyday (ok I should but why) just because my battery might run down.
Also my BA battery would come loose at times and the phone would reset. With WM5 I only have to reset the date.
That's my major reason. Persistent storage. Otherwise WM5 brings no benefits as far as I can see.

I've been trying a week of wm2003 after using ivan and tuma (1.3, 1.4) for a month or 2.
All WM5 builds gave me these problems on-and-off in everyday use :-
Slow phone app response (answering on wakeup and dialing particularly)
Laggy UI response normally, sometimes crawls along for 30-40 seconds.
WM2003 gives me these :-
Tap-screen goes dead on wake up. Powering off then on fixes this.
Quick UI response normally, sometimes crawls along for 30-40 seconds.
Audio fails totally on the phone sometimes, reboot fixes this.
Crazy battery use compared to WM5.
(I don't have a BT headset, so I'm immune to the famous problems that brings)
To be honest I find as many, if not more problems with 2003 as with the recent WM5 releases. It's a huge credit to those brave guys hacking the rom in their spare time that their ROMs are more or less as robust as the official builds.
On balance I'd have to go for WM5 for its tight Messenger/hotmail integration, more efficient battery use and the more intuitive UI, even if it does respond slower.
Right now I'm checking regularly for the release of TuMa 1.5, at that point I'll be compelled to re-upgrade to WM5.

half your problems can be silved by using radio 1.12 or 1.13, 1.15 has a never ending list of problems with WM5. Downgrade and you will be fine

I'll copy your approach and go for 1.13 then, thanks for the help.

8125 users: custom AKU 2.2 ROM now available

As far as I know, this is the only public way to get AKU 2.2 on a Wizard. I'm sure the T-MO and other folks will get at tearing this apart so they can have what we now have. =)
Here's the scoop:
OS: 5.1.195 build 14928.2.2.0
Radio: 02.13.11
Bootloader: 2.21
Media Player: 10 build 14928
Free Storage: 43.48M
Free Program: 24.57M
The ROM version is reported as 2.17.11.1 - this is the version on devices distributed by Cingular and Microsoft to partners, testers, execs, etc.
I've kept the customizations as they were created by Cingular for this build, with the following short list of additions:
A2DP
Multi-select contacts
Wireless Today screen plugin
Transparent carrier logo (used when displaying phone pad)
Disable prompting for unsigned cab file installs
Aku 2.2 allows for placing the clock on the title bar in place of the battery meter. The requisite registry entry is in place and this is the default behavior.
Over the coming days I'll create some customized versions of this ROM similar to others I've created, and based on feedback from my request for suggestions.
If you have never successfully CID unlocked, please do so since the SPL is sourced from another carrier's ROM.
Start you dowloadin' now:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/Cingular/Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic.exe
Big thanks again to Mr. or Mrs. <anonymous> for getting the AKU 2.2 bits to me.
EDIT:
Although the clock is now the default in the title bar, if you want it to display while other programs are open, you'll need to go to Start->Settings->System->Clock & Alarms->More and check "Display the clock on the title bar in all programs"
Just thought I'd clarify...
Also, despite what has been said, AKU 2.2 does not include Compact Framework 2. I'll add it later.

Gawd, I've been waiting for this forever. Thanks Summiter. Downloading now.
(first)
[update]
Sucessfully flashed. Testing now. BTW, I manually soft resetted prior to customizations. (I like to do my own). It's great to see the time up in the taskbar again, rather than that useless battery meter.
Files in Extended ROM:
AddContacts.exe
ammar_Wireless_Today_Plugin.cab
AutoRun.exe
C_Cingular_GoodEmail_101405.sa.CAB
C_getmail.ppc2005(HTC8100).ARMV4Rel.cingular.CAB
Cert_SPCS.cab
Config.txt
ConfigureDevice.exe
ConfigureUI.exe
M_CingularWWE_Camera_Profile_reg_signed.CAB
MP-Customization-Wizard(AKU2.0)-CingularWithCamera-060209.CAB
MP-Shortcut-MMS1-Java5xx-CyberonVoice-CV-051220.CAB
MP_SmartDialing_enable_0915_signed.CAB
P_Cingular_CM_Mappings_10411101.sa.CAB
P_Conn_CWS_Mar07_Wizard.cab
P_Customization-PictureSize2Default.CAB
P_DefaultHtm_Favorite_Feb12_Wizard.CAB
P_ECall_SeedDial_CWS_Mar06_Wizard.cab
P_Edge_Icon.sa.CAB
P_EnableEONS_4.sa.CAB
P_JavaGUID_HotFix.sa.CAB
P_MSN_SkipProxy.sa.CAB
P_NITZ_CWS_Mar02_Wizard.cab
P_Order_Xpress_Wizard.cab
P_PIE_View_Default.sa.CAB
P_REG_Wiz_Cingular_Mar02.cab
P_RemoveRoamingIcon_2.sa.CAB
P_Ringtone_Wiz_Cingular_Feb13.CAB
P_SecurityPolicy_Pilot-Cingular-Wizard-3Nov05.CAB
P_SMS_NoUnicode.sa.CAB
P_Sound_Email_CWS_Mar02_Wizard.cab
P_Theme_Wiz_Cingular_Feb13.CAB
P_TimeStyle_h_mm_ss_tt.sa.CAB
P_TimeZone_GMT-5_EasternUS.sa.CAB
P_UA_CWS_Mar02_Wizard.cab
P)USBSwitchWiz_Cingular_Feb13.cab
P_WiFi_Rate_4.sa.CAB
PPCContactsMgr.cab
Signed_Cingular_CarrierLogo.sa.CAB
zoA2DP.cab
Anyone care to go down the list and describe what each customization does? I might be interested in installing some of them, and omiting others.

KINetics said:
Gawd, I've been waiting for this forever. Thanks Summiter. Downloading now.
(first)
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It's downloaded and sitting on my harddrive. Can someone post whats different (apart from clock in title bar) between this ROM and the 2.17 AKU2 ROM that's been out..
Don't feel like flashing it and re-customizing if there's nothing major. My Cingular 8125 running 2.17 is working great - it never reboots, crashes and runs fast. Its been running for over 3 weeks straight now without a reboot and doesn't look like it's going to end anytime soon.

nice, thanks!

mobilehavoc said:
KINetics said:
Gawd, I've been waiting for this forever. Thanks Summiter. Downloading now.
(first)
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It's downloaded and sitting on my harddrive. Can someone post whats different (apart from clock in title bar) between this ROM and the 2.17 AKU2 ROM that's been out..
Don't feel like flashing it and re-customizing if there's nothing major. My Cingular 8125 running 2.17 is working great - it never reboots, crashes and runs fast. Its been running for over 3 weeks straight now without a reboot and doesn't look like it's going to end anytime soon.
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Browsing through the files, there's quite a few that are changed in some way from AKU 2.0. What those changes are, I don't know. Finding details on AKU updates has proven quite a challenge.
At this point I'd say that unless the clock is important, there's no compelling reason to upgrade. I've yet to see how battery life is affected.

KINetics said:
Gawd, I've been waiting for this forever. Thanks Summiter. Downloading now.
(first)
[update]
Sucessfully flashed. Testing now. BTW, I manually soft resetted prior to customizations. (I like to do my own). It's great to see the time up in the taskbar again, rather than that useless battery meter.
Files in Extended ROM:
AddContacts.exe
ammar_Wireless_Today_Plugin.cab
AutoRun.exe
C_Cingular_GoodEmail_101405.sa.CAB
C_getmail.ppc2005(HTC8100).ARMV4Rel.cingular.CAB
Cert_SPCS.cab
Config.txt
ConfigureDevice.exe
ConfigureUI.exe
M_CingularWWE_Camera_Profile_reg_signed.CAB
MP-Customization-Wizard(AKU2.0)-CingularWithCamera-060209.CAB
MP-Shortcut-MMS1-Java5xx-CyberonVoice-CV-051220.CAB
MP_SmartDialing_enable_0915_signed.CAB
P_Cingular_CM_Mappings_10411101.sa.CAB
P_Conn_CWS_Mar07_Wizard.cab
P_Customization-PictureSize2Default.CAB
P_DefaultHtm_Favorite_Feb12_Wizard.CAB
P_ECall_SeedDial_CWS_Mar06_Wizard.cab
P_Edge_Icon.sa.CAB
P_EnableEONS_4.sa.CAB
P_JavaGUID_HotFix.sa.CAB
P_MSN_SkipProxy.sa.CAB
P_NITZ_CWS_Mar02_Wizard.cab
P_Order_Xpress_Wizard.cab
P_PIE_View_Default.sa.CAB
P_REG_Wiz_Cingular_Mar02.cab
P_RemoveRoamingIcon_2.sa.CAB
P_Ringtone_Wiz_Cingular_Feb13.CAB
P_SecurityPolicy_Pilot-Cingular-Wizard-3Nov05.CAB
P_SMS_NoUnicode.sa.CAB
P_Sound_Email_CWS_Mar02_Wizard.cab
P_Theme_Wiz_Cingular_Feb13.CAB
P_TimeStyle_h_mm_ss_tt.sa.CAB
P_TimeZone_GMT-5_EasternUS.sa.CAB
P_UA_CWS_Mar02_Wizard.cab
P)USBSwitchWiz_Cingular_Feb13.cab
P_WiFi_Rate_4.sa.CAB
PPCContactsMgr.cab
Signed_Cingular_CarrierLogo.sa.CAB
zoA2DP.cab
Anyone care to go down the list and describe what each customization does? I might be interested in installing some of them, and omiting others.
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The bulk of the cab files do little more than set or change registry entries and provisioning settings. Very few of them actually install anything. I looked at most of them prior to building the ROM and there's nothing that should impact performance one way or the other.

i just got my 8125 so this couldn't have come at a better time. i'm having problems with active sync, though. the default shipping rom, and the aku2 from earlier are fine, but this aku2.2 is dropping the activesync after a minute or so. it's odd and frustrating as it makes it hard to get anything installed on the device.
i'll keep on working on it, it could be something dumb on my end. thanks so much for this cool stuff.
since i hadn't installed much, flashing twice in a day was no big deal. but for future reference, once i have a lot of things installed and my device customized fully, is there a way to save all of that to have it restored after a flash?
in the same vein, about how long until your next release? weeks, months? i'd hate to have this all pimped out and then start from scratch next week. but i suppose that's the price you pay to be on the bleeding edge. thanks again!

norelidd said:
i just got my 8125 so this couldn't have come at a better time. i'm having problems with active sync, though. the default shipping rom, and the aku2 from earlier are fine, but this aku2.2 is dropping the activesync after a minute or so. it's odd and frustrating as it makes it hard to get anything installed on the device.
i'll keep on working on it, it could be something dumb on my end. thanks so much for this cool stuff.
since i hadn't installed much, flashing twice in a day was no big deal. but for future reference, once i have a lot of things installed and my device customized fully, is there a way to save all of that to have it restored after a flash?
in the same vein, about how long until your next release? weeks, months? i'd hate to have this all pimped out and then start from scratch next week. but i suppose that's the price you pay to be on the bleeding edge. thanks again!
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Let's see if we can knock this AS problem out quickly. So, when you establish AS and go to install an app, the AS connection drops? Does it then re-establish itself? Do you hear the "badonk" sound when it drops that indicates the usb device has disconnected? Can you replicate it with any particular app? (I'd like to try it)
For what it's worth, I've installed several things with no problem. That doesn't mean there isn't some funkiness going on though..
As far as other ROMs, I'll probably have another 1 or 2 out within a week that has CF2 and a few other things like ringers and themes.

Alright one suggestion for your next release. I don't install much of this stuff but I think we can ALL agree that setting the time zone to -5 RIGHT after windows prompts us for the time zone is annoying...stupid cingular must think EVERYONE is EAST coast. So I think that one can go eh?
Thanx; Summiter (and of course the masked man) you guys are the win!
BTW: not to state the obvious but that last CAB is A2DP... :lol: I will go buy a headset just to test it when I can find one @ a local store.
Would also liek to add that the time zone TAB is present under phoen options by default and enabled =)

summiter said:
Let's see if we can knock this AS problem out quickly. So, when you establish AS and go to install an app, the AS connection drops? Does it then re-establish itself? Do you hear the "badonk" sound when it drops that indicates the usb device has disconnected? Can you replicate it with any particular app? (I'd like to try it)
For what it's worth, I've installed several things with no problem. That doesn't mean there isn't some funkiness going on though..
As far as other ROMs, I'll probably have another 1 or 2 out within a week that has CF2 and a few other things like ringers and themes.
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i've been testing it out, and it's pretty odd. as long as i'm not installing/transfering anything the sync stays connected. but when i try to install something (navigon 5, 12mb) it will drop the connection about halfway through. same thing with mapopolis (~3mb), about halfway through then the disconnect sound effect. it won't reconnect until i unplug and replug the usb connector
i'm getting around it for right now by putting everything as cabs onto the minisd card and installing from there. it's hardly ideal, though.
what's CF2?

norelidd said:
summiter said:
Let's see if we can knock this AS problem out quickly. So, when you establish AS and go to install an app, the AS connection drops? Does it then re-establish itself? Do you hear the "badonk" sound when it drops that indicates the usb device has disconnected? Can you replicate it with any particular app? (I'd like to try it)
For what it's worth, I've installed several things with no problem. That doesn't mean there isn't some funkiness going on though..
As far as other ROMs, I'll probably have another 1 or 2 out within a week that has CF2 and a few other things like ringers and themes.
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i've been testing it out, and it's pretty odd. as long as i'm not installing/transfering anything the sync stays connected. but when i try to install something (navigon 5, 12mb) it will drop the connection about halfway through. same thing with mapopolis (~3mb), about halfway through then the disconnect sound effect. it won't reconnect until i unplug and replug the usb connector
i'm getting around it for right now by putting everything as cabs onto the minisd card and installing from there. it's hardly ideal, though.
what's CF2?
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Hmm, that's a nasty workaround. Let me find something hugemongous to install and see what happens.
CF2 is .Net Compact Framework 2 - a set of .Net components for mobile devices. There's not a whole lot of programs out there that require it, but a popular one - WifiFoFum does. Putting it in ROM saves the ~4 megs of storage space on the device for other stuff, like selections from your illegal mp3 collection, and whatnot.

Another note is that not only is the clock back (like we all like) but the date item on the today screen is now back to taking up only 1 line.
I will be posting anything I notice else I find.

Summiter, did the Cingular rom originally include A2DP?
My headset should be in this weekend and wondering if my rom will have it or should I install yours?
Thanks for getting this out to everyone, cant wait for the customs to start flowing.

decepticon said:
Summiter, did the Cingular rom originally include A2DP?
My headset should be in this weekend and wondering if my rom will have it or should I install yours?
Thanks for getting this out to everyone, cant wait for the customs to start flowing.
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Nope, A2DP wasn't there. I added it via cab file. Works beautifully with my ht820.

summiter said:
decepticon said:
Summiter, did the Cingular rom originally include A2DP?
My headset should be in this weekend and wondering if my rom will have it or should I install yours?
Thanks for getting this out to everyone, cant wait for the customs to start flowing.
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Nope, A2DP wasn't there. I added it via cab file. Works beautifully with my ht820.
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Many thanks, thats the same one I ordered.

norelidd said:
summiter said:
Let's see if we can knock this AS problem out quickly. So, when you establish AS and go to install an app, the AS connection drops? Does it then re-establish itself? Do you hear the "badonk" sound when it drops that indicates the usb device has disconnected? Can you replicate it with any particular app? (I'd like to try it)
For what it's worth, I've installed several things with no problem. That doesn't mean there isn't some funkiness going on though..
As far as other ROMs, I'll probably have another 1 or 2 out within a week that has CF2 and a few other things like ringers and themes.
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i've been testing it out, and it's pretty odd. as long as i'm not installing/transfering anything the sync stays connected. but when i try to install something (navigon 5, 12mb) it will drop the connection about halfway through. same thing with mapopolis (~3mb), about halfway through then the disconnect sound effect. it won't reconnect until i unplug and replug the usb connector
i'm getting around it for right now by putting everything as cabs onto the minisd card and installing from there. it's hardly ideal, though.
what's CF2?
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Do you by any chance have your device set to go into standby after a couple minutes? (either with OS settings, or via an app like phoneAlarm)

Where can I find the cab file for AD2P ?

summiter said:
Do you by any chance have your device set to go into standby after a couple minutes? (either with OS settings, or via an app like phoneAlarm)
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sure, in 3 minutes it'll turn off, but the connection dies before the screen times out.
this could be a false alarm though. after installing a handful of things and rebooting a few times, i think it might be ok. i'll definitely keep this thread updated if it goes wacky again.
thanks again, you rock

summiter said:
norelidd said:
summiter said:
Let's see if we can knock this AS problem out quickly. So, when you establish AS and go to install an app, the AS connection drops? Does it then re-establish itself? Do you hear the "badonk" sound when it drops that indicates the usb device has disconnected? Can you replicate it with any particular app? (I'd like to try it)
For what it's worth, I've installed several things with no problem. That doesn't mean there isn't some funkiness going on though..
As far as other ROMs, I'll probably have another 1 or 2 out within a week that has CF2 and a few other things like ringers and themes.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i've been testing it out, and it's pretty odd. as long as i'm not installing/transfering anything the sync stays connected. but when i try to install something (navigon 5, 12mb) it will drop the connection about halfway through. same thing with mapopolis (~3mb), about halfway through then the disconnect sound effect. it won't reconnect until i unplug and replug the usb connector
i'm getting around it for right now by putting everything as cabs onto the minisd card and installing from there. it's hardly ideal, though.
what's CF2?
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Click to collapse
Hmm, that's a nasty workaround. Let me find something hugemongous to install and see what happens.
CF2 is .Net Compact Framework 2 - a set of .Net components for mobile devices. There's not a whole lot of programs out there that require it, but a popular one - WifiFoFum does. Putting it in ROM saves the ~4 megs of storage space on the device for other stuff, like selections from your illegal mp3 collection, and whatnot.
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I've transferred over 100 megs back and forth to and from the device and haven't had any AS problems...

lewcamino said:
Alright one suggestion for your next release. I don't install much of this stuff but I think we can ALL agree that setting the time zone to -5 RIGHT after windows prompts us for the time zone is annoying...stupid cingular must think EVERYONE is EAST coast. So I think that one can go eh?
Thanx; Summiter (and of course the masked man) you guys are the win!
BTW: not to state the obvious but that last CAB is A2DP... :lol: I will go buy a headset just to test it when I can find one @ a local store.
Would also liek to add that the time zone TAB is present under phoen options by default and enabled =)
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Meh, I meant to get rid of that cab file....deleted. It won't be in future ROMs.
Radio Shack sells the HT820, and if you live near one that's closing, you can get it for 20-30% off. Buying online is cheapest though, but you don't get instant gratification. =)

WM5 AKU 3.3 ROM memory leak issue

I love that ROM but unfortuntely the memory leak is severe for me - just want to know how many people are experiencing that issue??
How much free RAM do u have after a soft reset and how much after running for 1 day?
I have around 17MB after reset (with not much more than the built in apps - just GPRS Monitor and SIMName running additionally) but that drops to less than 10MB within a day or even a few hours of usage!!

17MB free after soft reset; down to about 12MB after a day.
No good for me, with Voice Command and emoze taking over 3MB. My minimum target is 15MB free and stable with both of those loaded, so for the moment I've switched back to a previous Molski ROM.

just made a test: if I leave my Wizard powered on (prevent standby) the RAM drops around 3MB per hour without even touching the device...
[EDIT] have to correct it - running for 1h now and it went down from 17 to 12MB - so 5MB per h... [/EDIT]

new finding: if I take out my miniSD card I get another 4-5MB!! now I have 22 after soft reset - will see whether it still drops so fast...
I remember to have read something about storage cards taking up RAM but forgot what - does it depend on the card/the formatting options etc.??
However, it still doesn't solve the leaking problem... :-(

DoctorT said:
new finding: if I take out my miniSD card I get another 4-5MB!! now I have 22 after soft reset - will see whether it still drops so fast...
I remember to have read something about storage cards taking up RAM but forgot what - does it depend on the card/the formatting options etc.??
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I believe so... we should be waiting for an expert s advice before deleting any reg keys or reformat our SD cards...

Odd, I have no mem issues at all
with everything in the rom, plus voice command 1.6 and remote display, I have 15 meg free. And it stays that way. Have not reset my phone in two days. Cingular 8125 G4 device. And yes, I have an SD card as well.

i would say that its stable with me too, dont have that much running, i dont know some of them like elatepushservice, sapsettings, but with 19 processes in task manager, stay around 14 mbs mostly, it seems to drop low sometime with browsing texting but goes back to 14 or more... i might be wrong here but could it be the installation procedure, i followed dr p method, then added molskis 3.0 then the 3.3... i am still figuring out stuff, mostly a reader than a poster...

I woke up this morning w/ only 2MB!
I have a G3 8125 and here's my install:
3.3 v1 installed on top of the Cingular 2.25.11 IPL/SPL
Upgraded TodayAgenda to v0.9.22 using the install, uninstall, re-install method
Upgraded to BatteryStatusExt.1.04.beta2
Installed DaylightSavings.cab
Usage:
Yesterday, my friend accidentally ran the UK_Jersey_Telecom auto-config
I was trying to set up MMS for Fido (still doesn't work but I no longer receive error messages either)
Voice Dialing
Other Symptoms:
I've also noticed that my date keeps on going haywire. keeps on going 18h 20mins ahead.
I have verified that no other programs are running in the background but on occasion when I check, I see ActiveSync (I use ActiveSync 4.2).
Might try V2 on Tmobile 2.26 when I get the time and see how goes.

Tsuioku said:
I woke up this morning w/ only 2MB!
I have a G3 8125 and here's my install:
3.3 v1 installed on top of the Cingular 2.25.11 IPL/SPL
Upgraded TodayAgenda to v0.9.22 using the install, uninstall, re-install method
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Remove TodayAgenda.
On my Wizard, using the 3.3 ROM, TodayAgenda (both version 0.9.20 and 0.9.22) loose appx. 1.5MB RAM per hour.
Without TodayAgenda I see no memory loss at all.

andersh said:
Remove TodayAgenda.
On my Wizard, using the 3.3 ROM, TodayAgenda (both version 0.9.20 and 0.9.22) loose appx. 1.5MB RAM per hour.
Without TodayAgenda I see no memory loss at all.
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Just upgraded to V2 (6MB ver) and memory availability seems a lot better. Running for two days and only lost 5MB (which is much better than losing 15MB in 12hrs). The combination of embedded TodayAgenda upgraded to 9.22 may have been the culprit. I currently have V2 with 9.22 installed and it seems quite stable.
The current memory loss seems to be caused by certain programs/functions not releasing memory when closed/disabled. I still notice ActiveSync running in the background out of the blue. I was just playing with wifi and noted a 1.5mb drop in memory when enabling but it does not return after disabling. I will update this post as I see more possible causes.

For those who installed SPB PocketPlus: for me most probably SPB PocketPlus caused a leak - I just found out with the WM6 ROM, so might be the same with AKU3.3! I also had a leak with WM6 before (although not as serious as on AKU3.3) and now with the same config as before except PocketPlus I don't experience it anymore!!
Regarding the large mount of RAM taken by the storage card (I know it's not a leak, but anyways): this did the trick on WM6 (before took 4MB, now 0.2MB), so might be the same on AKU3.3:
change the FATFS cache size back to 0 (most tweaks change that, but anyway I didn't realize a slow down of the device after changing it back to that factory default):
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\StorageManager\FATFS]
"CacheSize"=dword:00000000

Tsuioku said:
The combination of embedded TodayAgenda upgraded to 9.22 may have been the culprit. I currently have 9.22 installed and it seems quite stable.
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I noticed a huge memory leak in TodayAgenda running:
a) 3.3 beta ROM with embedded 0.9.20
b) 3.3 beta ROM with upgrade to 0.9.22
c) WM6 beta (both the clean version and pdaviet) with 0.9.22
So if you're not seeing a memory leak, my guess is that the memory leak is depending on a specific configuration option inside TodayAgenda.

I think I have a reverse memory leak....lol mine went from @ start 3.34 to 20.57 MB after 1-2 hrs....
Seriously though, just wanted to chime in and say I don't have any issues....before this ROM I was running Crossbow for a little bit and before that I was using a custom home brew...
Applications Installed:
Simbsoft Volleyball
vijay555 VJSlippyPalm
PalmThreadedSMS
Resco Registry Add-in
Resco FTP Add-in
Ilium Software eWallet
Dr.Shultz Smart Dial+Eten skin RUS
TomTom Navigator 6
Spb Backup
Meschle calendar month view tweak
Resco Explorer
Chi-Tai Dang BatteryStatus TD-Plugin

andersh said:
I noticed a huge memory leak in TodayAgenda running:
a) 3.3 beta ROM with embedded 0.9.20
b) 3.3 beta ROM with upgrade to 0.9.22
c) WM6 beta (both the clean version and pdaviet) with 0.9.22
So if you're not seeing a memory leak, my guess is that the memory leak is depending on a specific configuration option inside TodayAgenda.
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Oops... skipped a thought there.. I meant to say V2 with 9.22 installed. There's still some leak but I wouldn't blame it completely on TodayAgenda yet. The leak is lower now and less significant with extra ram being available in V2. I find certain programs/functions not releasing RAM when closed/disabled to be a bigger issue (ie. enabling then disabling Wifi, voice dialing etc)
@lvlolvlo: That sounds about right. Even though it appears as if the phone is done loading, there are still some processes running in the background. Wait a few minutes for the processes to release the ram and you'll see a big jump.

how about download the memoryleak cab and install it

paypalbid said:
how about download the memoryleak cab and install it
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Where can I find this cab? Is it designed for TodayAgenda? I tried doing a search and skimmed through some threads from the last couple of months and didn't see anything. From what I have read, most people are pointing at ActiveSync (I am running 4.5 Beta at home) or TodayAgenda.
On avg, I need to reset my phone every 5 days or so. While this is not a huge issue, I'm curious as to what may be causing it.

What you guys can also try doing is getting SK Tools and using the free up ram feature on there. i have that on my phone even thou i hover around 20 mbs with wisbar, ilauncher, and pocket breeze on there and also rltoday. It'll get me back like 3 mbs when i do that. but i think it would really help you guys.

HTC ROM 6.1 : the Kaiser freezes all the time !!!

Hello again, I have this big problem with my Kaiser :
since I installed the last HTC 6.1 ROM update, my device randomly freezes for 10-20 seconds.
I also noticed that my devices sometimes slow down ...
Does anyone else have this problem ?

The solution : Downgrade to WM6 !

I think I've found where the problem is :
since I stopped using "Quick Menu", the Kaiser does not freeze anymore ...
That means this is another usefull application I will have to stop using with the HTC 6.1 ROM !!!

Sorry but I don't know what is Quick menu...

vertpoulpe said:
Sorry but I don't know what is Quick menu...
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If you don't know it, that means you didn't install it on your Kaiser. So your freeze problems were not coming from this application. Sorry ...

The biggest bug i've been with wm6.1 : my kaiser soft reset alone all the time ! Maybe they're drunk when they're built this rom lol ! They should have write : THE MAGIC FUNNY WM6.1 RELEASE WITH GHOST TOUCH !

I disabled Weather tab and contacts tab with HTC home customizer. It seems to work well now. I will see if problem has really gone. Thank you for your help Dizzy. You gave a direction to my searchs

You're welcome ... But I use HTC home mainly for its contact and weather application ... So it's not a solution for me.

I noticed that orange france users had problems. Perhaps it is linked with our SIM CARD...

do you really need to post two threads on this?
I thought about using HTC's rom, but instead, i used dutty's lite rom, and built it up myself with what i wanted. Its a hell of a,lot faster, i wouldnt touch another oem htc rom ever again, they are full of rubbish, and slow as my old wizard

Finally I discovered that the problem didn't come from "Quick Menu", but from "HTC home" !!!!!
HTC home does slown down my Kaiser and is responsible for randoms freezes of it !
If I disable "HTC home" on the today setup screen, then everything is faster (start menu display ...).
I re-installed Quick-menu and now my Kaiser is working fine.
I will have to replace HTC home by a clone application ...

I haven't had any issues with my Kaiser freezing with the 3.28.405.0 WWE ROM, but then I haven't used ROM that was oficially released by HTC. Instead I've been using the one that was leaked out a couple of days before the official release.
Is it possible that the official ROM image is corrupted in some way? I've noticed this post over in the Kaiser ROM Development forum, which was posted today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2234850&postcount=356
grusy said:
Called HTC today.
I'm not the only one having trouble with 6.1. They said in the next two days there will be a "new" version available.
The file we could download now is corrupt and they will upload a non corrupt version. Supposedly the file was corrupt by uploading to ftp server
I think they will release a patched version.
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I've installed the official (English) rom I got from someone in the UK (there is none for TYTN II from Hong Kong being used in the USA as of yet ) and loved the idea that all I had to do is just install ( No hard SPL ) and everything seems fine. I have a lot of apps. installed and everything is fine.

I upgraded to the leaked ROM and have had nothing but Freezing problems !!
I turned off HTC home and this seemed to do the job...for about 12 hours and then wouldnt you know it, its slow again.
I did a hard reset and turned everything off, used Kaiser tweaks to change the cache options and its still not right.
I feel badly let down by this product. I upgraded from a blackberry 8800 which ran like a dream, no problems. I've always been alittle sceptical about Windows Mobile Products. I've owned many PDAs in the past and have always felt that they were always compromised. My Dell Axim X51v was a good PDA but too bulky to carry around. I've always been someone who wasnt bothered by Windows Mobile Devices because of their windows hang ups. Seems I was proved right, though I know this isnt necessarily a Windows thing, more likely a HTC thing....it still doesnt help !
I needed a product that offered, office apps, with internet and the ability to FTP easily at high speeds either over WiFi or 3g. The Vario III had the lot including imense flexability which made me give up my Blackberry (which was a big thing, trust me as I adored my blackberry,,,it was just alittle limited).
After having purchased HTC's almost flagship model I've feel totally let down, they knowingly shipped a product that was flawed and then released a dodgy fix that affectively made the device worse (for some of us!). Freezing all the time. When it wasnt freezing it was a pleasure to use...but seriously, i'm 5 weeks into using it and I'm absolutely pee'd off. I seem to be constantly looking for fixes all the time !! my wife thinks I've become bloody addicted to it, she wont listen when i tell her I'm trying to fix it. it always seems to be in my hand !! (the kaiser that is )
That blackberry of mine is going to be taken out of the box and this paper weight will be used as just that.
gutted man
Ste

You need to remove the HardSPL application from your Kaiser in order to stop the freezes ... Take a look at this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394783
It works ... Guaranteed !

Yes, the HardSPL is your problem, not HTC.

I tried the official htc e-club 6.1 and had lots of freezing issues. It would just freez for 20 seconds or so then start working again. Drove me crazy. I off-loaded it and re-loaded dutty's 6.1 hybrid and am very happy with it. Very stable, no more freezes either. I also reloaded mobile shell and found it to work much better than with the old 6.0. The memory issues, leaks etc. I had with shell on 6.0 seem to have become almost non-existant with this rom. And did I say batt life is heaven . I'm stickin' with what works for now.

I have the problem that Activesync is automatically turned on when I start the phone and it makes alot of problems but when I turn it off it usually solves it - anyone know how to fix this?

cbreze said:
I tried the official htc e-club 6.1 and had lots of freezing issues. It would just freez for 20 seconds or so then start working again. Drove me crazy. I off-loaded it and re-loaded dutty's 6.1 hybrid and am very happy with it. Very stable, no more freezes either. I also reloaded mobile shell and found it to work much better than with the old 6.0. The memory issues, leaks etc. I had with shell on 6.0 seem to have become almost non-existant with this rom. And did I say batt life is heaven . I'm stickin' with what works for now.
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I have the e-club 6.1 and am experiencing the same freezes. Really annoying. I think there is a pattern that when I turn off the phone, the freezes go away.

Foxhunter123 said:
I have the problem that Activesync is automatically turned on when I start the phone and it makes alot of problems but when I turn it off it usually solves it - anyone know how to fix this?
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I had a similar issue where Activesync would start running on my phone every so many minutes, when looking in the task manager it would be running. I fixed that by running task manager v2.8 from Fdcsoft you can download it from here http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm with that go to notification and disable replog.exe (AppRunAfterTimeChange). This does not affect active sync working when connecting to a pc or with push email.