We have some ppl here who can cook up roms like crazy, so I thought I would ask here. I have been wanting a PLAIN windows CE (preferably 6.0) rom for my wizard. Plain CE runs a lot faster, and is a lot more usefull then wm ever will be. From what I can tell with all my studying, Ce should work with all of the wm5 drivers, and the only part that ppl are unsure of is the phone stack. CE 6 has the phone stack built in, and that should solve that problem.
CE would give the phone a more "windows" look, with a more useful desktop and start menu. Please let me know if anyone here thinks they would like to give it a try.
sounds cool to me
first of all, windows ce 6 is the upcoming photon, that isn't due to be released until early 2008. WM5 is wince 5. crossbow will probably be wince 5.2.
Secondly, I doubt that what you're asking for is even possible. The way I understand it is that wince is the kernel, the core, that windows mobile is running. You can not have the one without the other...
Yes... Yes... Yes... and no....
Many hundreds of devices run CE alone. I am very familliar with the different versions of CE. WM5 is currently CE 5.1. I understand that CE6 would be a step up, but CE6 could possibly be easier seeing as the phone stack is built in. CE5 (or 5.1) could probably function with the phone stack ripped from wm5. As for your last comment, WinCE is the operating system, while Pocket PC (or WM) is the shell that is chosen. It adds a today screen, start bar (if you can call it that) and a few addons that add bulk and slow down the device. They are used to make the devices look a little more user friendly at the cost of speed. Many devices come with CE that is packaged with a standard CE shell instead of a Pocket PC shell.
http://www.gizmondoforums.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3571
That page has a picture of a device running just plain CE with a standard CE shell (minus the menubar and the window, that was done with a desktop screenshot manager, so the actual thing wont have those)
The gizmondo was always designed as a CE device.
Windows Mobile is Windows Mobile, based on the WinCE, but not just hiding WinCE. Windows Mobile is a superset of WinCE. Certainl devices that don't need the Windows Mobile interface etc can run on pure WinCE, and certainly do. But preparing a new kernel/gwes is more then just flicking a switch and reverting back to the WinCE desktop shell. You need Platform Builder and a full BSP to make a custom image.
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Interesting discussion. It would be good if there is a quick way of getting a pure CE performance at a flick of a button.
So, WM5 is like WinXP, which does not just hide the DOS like Win95 did.
Darkrift said:
We have some ppl here who can cook up roms like crazy, so I thought I would ask here. I have been wanting a PLAIN windows CE (preferably 6.0) rom for my wizard. Plain CE runs a lot faster, and is a lot more usefull then wm ever will be. From what I can tell with all my studying, Ce should work with all of the wm5 drivers, and the only part that ppl are unsure of is the phone stack. CE 6 has the phone stack built in, and that should solve that problem.
CE would give the phone a more "windows" look, with a more useful desktop and start menu. Please let me know if anyone here thinks they would like to give it a try.
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did you read on the WIKI for instructions on cooking one's own ROM?
Windows Embedded CE 6.0 Test Kit
available for download :
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...bcbe-9fff174acaf5&displaylang=en#Requirements
Actually, no... windows mobile is more like windows 95. The operating system is CE, and the "extended GUI" (plus some apps and settings) are PPC. Windows XP is the operating system, and does not run on DOS, but it comes with a "DOS" addon (not really dos, just a way for oldschool ppl to cope with the change). I have personally worked with some ppl that are able get plain CE running by tweaking with dll's and other **** in the rom, but the problem is, this is more tweaking and less cooking. I know CE can run on these devices without windows mobile (well, the phone part MIGHT cause a roadblock) but im asking the cookers if there is a way they can create a TAILORED way of doing it other then overwriting system files (tested that on my axim, and was a long painfull process that barely produced results).
I must admit that I'm intrigued... I wouldn't mind trying this out if it ever became available.
If you are a true power user, you would love a plain CE device. Just as an example, a friend of mine did some dll editing for my axim and made it so i could run the CE version of word instead of the pocket version, and there was an immence different. Also, on CE, the windows are draggable like on XP. Folders work properly like they should. Seeing how CE uses less resources, its amazing how much more it can do. PPC is for the person who wants simplicity and easy to use PIM. Ce is for the person who wants a small computer that can do just about anything that a full sized computer can do. I know this task wont be easy, and thats why I am not trying it myself. I just figured that someone here with tons of experience would be up to the challenge of taking a CE image file (they can be found all over, including ms.com's site) and trying to build a working rom for the Wizard out of it.
yeah i'm intrigued too.. i'm all for this. would love CE on my qtek 9000.
and why?
it would finally give me true real native VGA... with good icons and native support...
IE6.0... good GUI and a lot more cool stuff.
i'm just spoiled i guess...
Windows Mobile CE 6
is there anywhere where u can evaluate the Windows Mobile 6 Software? i heard you can get it from the Microsoft Website.. anyinfo would be appreceiated.
i think wce 6 need for all!
i hope u creat it?
thanhk for support!
sorry i'm vietnames!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...47-6e06-4a0c-8cac-ca7d4c09cb56&DisplayLang=en
This is the only thing you can get so far! Check it out
Please keep in mind that this is for Windows CE 6.0.
Windows Mobile 6 != Windows CE 6.0
is this for the wizard? kinda looks like its a big file for a Mobile Device
no, this is NOT for a wizard, and no, its NOT windows mobile. IT is CE 6 and it is very different. Running it on a wizard would be nice, but wont be easy. I already started a thread on here asking someone to play with the idea of building a CE (5 or 6) rom for the wizard, but didnt get much positive responses. CE is the base operating system and Windows Mobile is the shell (outer face that you see).
looks like this request bit the big one.... i take it its safe to assume that nobody here is up to the challenge (why is it that ppl will try to get linux running on a wizard, but not windows ce, which is just the same operating system without all the pretty junk?)
Related
midget_1990_v0_1_vanilla_wm6.rar
I've found this link in the wm5 upgrade forums but without any explanation or comment...
1-What is included in this file?
2-Ripped from which device?
3-Radio compatible with BlueAngel?
4-Every devices may had different hardwares, is that rom had universal H/W
support?
5-Are the Rom makers interesting or working on this rom?
6-Who had test this rom?
7-Which device still use this rom?
8-What is new in this rom?
9-Is there any screenshots here?
10-If someone crash him device when upgrading to this rom, who can help?
11-I know this is not a forum thread but that mean this rom-link not dangerous?
12-Can anybody give some explanations over Windows Mobile 6 (I wrote allways as 6 because this rom is not Windows Mobile 2006 <I've heard somethings on somewhere>)
At the last:
This is the best of Windows Mobile
Powered Devices Fan forum...
This site had very very unique threads, tools, roms, and lots of stuff...
I've BA & use wm5 rom by helmi_c;
what I think about this rom, 3 answers I have:
1-Bluetooth problems with my headset.(msi and motorola h3 too) without BT_Patch. But it's my problem and thats mine choose, i must wait fix. GPS and other BT services works perfect.
2-Wifi problem, sometimes needs to reset. May this problem will never resolve, i can live with this
other side Wifi give beter performance than windows 2k3, really! I think it's come from ram paging pool,
exm: I control my pc with wifi and i can play GTA san andreas from my pda, eheheh, i can show my msn web cam to
my friends
"When they out of my house! range som's 30 m"
but som's pda goes slowing down.I don't know why.
3-Phone sometimes give error while turning on/off flight mode and phone goes to lock while speaking longtimes. But not allways.
now,
There is 5 creators here, and they make wm5 roms whith different roms but they have some problems may the creators can works together and give us a clean wm5 or wm6 rom.
"What a good wish"
Sorry for the long message, but i need some information, may someone can givethis. Because i've belive here.
MANY MANY THANKS READING.
I allready saw too , but it's for Universal, let's hope we will have soon a wm6 for BA
Well they have one for both the Wizard and the Universal now, we just need one for the Blue Angel, come on guys, the suspense is killing us
Will it be possible to port the ROM for BA? 'Cos I saw some post somewhere in 4rum saying it seems impossible???
Will it be possible to port the ROM for BA? 'Cos I saw some post somewhere in 4rum saying it seems impossible???
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that we dont know yet, also because most of BA developers are changing to Universal at the moment. honestly, I dont see that it's gonna happen soon specially without having enough developers working on it.
There is a ROM out for the HTC Universal and HTC Wizard. There is nothing yet for our HTC BA.
I did have a look porting it, but it looks pretty impossible for me to do -I'd never done it before and there is no base ROM at the moment.
Only thing we can hope for is some of those BA gods do a spiffing job on it!! (We know who they are )
Pray that it'll be quite possible!!!
imatrix said:
that we dont know yet, also because most of BA developers are changing to Universal at the moment. honestly, I dont see that it's gonna happen soon specially without having enough developers working on it.
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So sad to hear this. All we need are the base cleaned ROM and relevant tools to edit. But like you said, I guess we may be gonna have to wait for long, if it's really possible.
nht_max said:
So sad to hear this. All we need are the base cleaned ROM and relevant tools to edit. But like you said, I guess we may be gonna have to wait for long, if it's really possible.
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You can edit the crossbow roms with mamaich tools for WM5, but there is more than adding drivers for make WM6 work on BA, the main problem is WM6 core, if someone manage to port it it will work
(Nothing's impossible, but some things are harder to achieve)
xplode said:
You can edit the crossbow roms with mamaich tools for WM5, but there is more than adding drivers for make WM6 work on BA, the main problem is WM6 core, if someone manage to port it it will work
(Nothing's impossible, but some things are harder to achieve)
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totally agree to that xplode, so hurry up, we are all waiting
anyway plz do your best
alternately you COULD try running xbow on top of wm5 core (similar thing was done for OS X on PC's, until recently for that they used 10.4.8 OSX with 10.4.4 kernel) If this works (it should - kernel for WM5 is 5.1.xxxxx, WM6 is 5.2.xxx, only a 0.1 increment) then you could run crossbow just without the core
without the core rom, are we gonna have most functionalities still?
i dont know - im just brainstorming atm
hopefully most of the features will be separate from the core, remember it's still based on CE 5 and only a .1 increment
Hi guys,
I've been looking at the WM6 leaks for Uni and Wiz with a view to getting something running on BA.
The 2 biggest problems are
- the kernel (nk.exe) is compiled per-hardware platform.
so a WM6 kernel exists for universal, and for wizard, but not for BA
the only reason we were able to run WM5 on BA was because of a leaked
kernel for our hardware platform
- the WM6 roms are much larger than wm5 ones
Even a base set of features seems to need careful packaging and some
UPX compression to fit in the BA's 32mb ROM
Even if the WM6 applications and features could be persuaded to run in the existing WM5 kernel, the result could never be really called "WM6".
Without a proper kernel for BA, I doubt it's really worth the effort.
So we all wait for the right kernel, then thing's done. Think that It's gonna be available someday.
That seems im? Possible.
Why?
Some members already try to tell this
bastard reality but it's true.
Core system = kernel structure
must be emulate to BA's H/W.
The kernel softwares especially written for which device will use it.
but we forget a point!
All of Windows Mobile OS's had a SDK
and they have flexible content.
What i mean?
We have 2 problems.
1- Hardware compatibility.
(Drivers and device functions management )
2- OS infrastructure
(Device based shell and kernel api management.)
Explanation:
1-We're already know all of PocketPC devices had different hardwares. We must make or find or emulate current drivers to our BA...
How?
Too hard... it's an engineer work.
Assembly and C knowledge necessary.
But we have a key:
Every Windows Mobile OS kernel versions
written in same way. May we can use
old drivers? may anyone can emulate them.
2-OS integration and device management structure with shell and kernel api's.
Windows OS's allways use API system with 2 types.
1) Shell api ( Interface )
That used for visual and non-visual OS functions. like DirectX api's.
2) Kernel api (Core system)
To use device funcitons,
accesing Processor, RAM, ROM and
others.
Some Windows mobile versions had same hardwares but they managed
with different API's
Why?
I don't know...
what we need?
We must emulate this API's?
How?
Not hard as first problem but not easy too...
I think there is one way.
We try to hardluck, remake and convert old API's to the new ones.
This is illegal and outlaw. Goes to reverse engineering and Bill gates will angry...
Yes that is impossible as first one.
Windows Mobile 5 OS's can be port but at this time no one have so much information about WM6 kernel and shell systemand nobody did make an explanation about WM6 SDK how it's works.
This comments mixed with what i've earned from internet.
If you don't understand...
Think so as;
is Windows98 have transparency windows?
is Windows XP have 3D desktop? or AURA interface?
I CAN SAY CLEARLY:
This is impossible just yet,
may be next times but not at now.
Note: Universal and BA uses smiliar hw than others.
THANKS.
When will crossbow actually be realeased in final version (leaked or non leaked, but a stable version)?(I know we can't tell whether it will be leaked or not!)
Hi Folks - This is as off-topic as they come while still remaining geeky
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials...+Minibook+V2+with+Windows+CE+?productId=36193
Since getting my Himalaya and Hermes' PDAs I've obviously gotten the flashing bug...
Anybody have any idea what the generic name of these minibooks are, and if there's any info on flashing them upto CE6.0, installing all the apps we know and love on our PDAs etc (pocketOffice, tsc, etc) - or even replacing CE altogether with linux
At that price I'm pondering buying one just to mess about with it, but only if I can mess with it in a geeky way!
Cheers in advance
//W0lfie
most normal windows mobile apps should work
not sure about ce6 and working windows mobile apps
as no windows mobile out today use ce6
about linux then problem is always drivers when it comes to linux
few hardware manufactures are too helpful with open-source drivers
and linux programs have to reverse eng the drivers which takes a lot! of time
Thanks Rudegar
I know the CE/WM APIs are subtly different, but in general the CE API is actually more feature rich than the WM one
Now all I need is to find one of those button USB BlueTooth dongles that comes with a CE driver, and this could be a seriously fun toy to add to my collection!
wow, not sure about that minibook, why not a netbook? they come with 1/2gb RAM, windows xp or linux, 160gb HDD, and that size... also, they are not spensive
Hahah because at that price, it's a toy
I know I can get a nb for < £300 but since I already have a PDA and a laptop, the minibook would literally be a gadgety toy I could mess about with
If only it was touch screen...
yeah well, you can use paint lol
Was thinking more of Pocket Office and pIE, ActiveSynced via my PDAs fast 3G connection
wolfie you *****. what's up?!
Is it an CnM MiniBook cause they were sellin them in maplins for 150£!
is possible win mobile on htc tattoo?
tanks
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583920
Still trying to find a method to root the device, then WM is pretty much further (and uninteresting sincerely). Buying a Tattoo for WM is a really bad idea, I don't even know if the processor can support WM
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
Coburn64 said:
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
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A little history from wiki..
Released in 16 November 1996 Codename "Alder".
Devices named "handheld PC" (HPC).
2.0 Released in September 1997 Codename "Birch".
Devices named "Palm-sized PC".
Real-time deterministic task scheduling.
Architectures: ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, StrongARM, SuperH and x86.
32-bit color screens.
SSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0.
3.0Released in June 2000 [MSCE3].Codename "Cedar".
Major recode that made CE hard real time down to the microsecond level.
Base for the Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Smartphone 2002.
Priority levels was increased from 8 to 256.
Object store was increased from 65 536 to 4,19 million allowed objects.
Restricted access to critical APIs or restricting write access to parts of the registry.
4.x Released in January 2002 [MSCE4].Codename "Talisker/Jameson/McKendric".
Driver structure changed greatly, new features added.
Base for "Pocket PC 2003".
Bluetooth support.
TLS (SSL 3.1), IPsec L2TP VPN, or Kerberos.
5.0 Released in August 2004.Adds lots of features. Codename "Macallan".
Automatic report of bugs to the manufacturer.
Direct3D Mobile, a COM-based version of Windows XP's DirectX multimedia API.
DirectDraw for 2D graphics and DirectShow for camera and video digitisation support.
Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) support.
6.x Released in September 2006. Codename "Yamazaki".
Process address space is increased from 32 MB to 1 GB.
Number of processes has been increased from 32 to 32 768.
User mode and kernel mode device drivers are possible.
512MB physically managed memory
Device.exe, filesys.exe, GWES.exe has been moved to Kernel mode.
SetKMode and set process permissions not possible.
System call performance improved.
Theres no doubt Windows can do more than Android can in certain areas that really make a device useful. Windows Mobile= Mini PC w/phone capabilities, and Android= Modern Smart phone/w PC like functionality. It's all up to what you want in a phone..but if you gave me a Mini PC Phone..all in one word..that will be winner.
Cant understand WHY anyone wants WM ??? Its **** compare to Android in my world
OK, Could be nice with update for android to 2.x but windows mobile = hell no....
WM Shouldn't be a priority - Let's root and update
I have owned several WM devices, and Android is way superior than WM. Why would you buy a tattoo and then convert it? You should have bought a WM device if you want WM. Anyway, we should first be able to root the device, and update to 2.1.
Let us get our priorities right people!
besides being free source and visually more appealing i fail to see where exactly does android out do windows mobile???? Functionality ways according to me nothing beats windows mobile. I upgraded to the hero just to try something different, just to see what android is like..and in no way is it better than windows mobile....if ur talking about sense ui, facebook integration, and all the million other widgets that make your experience a great one.....that isn't the android OS per se...theyre just add ons. any way SPB mobile 3.5 is still better than the sense ui that we get on our phones.
things i didn't like about android:
-No bluetooth file transfer(at least in the version im running on the hero now)
-No bluetooth tethering option(i used to use this a lot on my windows phone)
-no option of installing programs on sd card( i had to root and install apps to sd, that too cache still remains on the phone memory)
-lacks basic programs when it comes from the factory, being a smart phone one would expect it to ship with basic programs like a file explorer and an office suite. but no...this phone overly depends on the market for everything.
conclusion
Although android is developing fast and seems to have a promising future, it is yet to become as good as windows mobile let alone out doing it. if i had the money i would surely buy an HD2.
We all know Android looks nicer but how does that make it superior? Wouldn't the operation system with the most features be ahead? Windows mobile will get flash 10.1 support first..windows CE usually powers all the intese 3D U.I's you see in embedded devices. Even nvidia has said they prefer the windows kernel over linux for doing 3D applications. I'm just saying the next windows mobile is obviously going be like holding a Mini Gaming PC from 2005-2006 in your pocket. Android will have to impress me with just good looks, and open source goodness..if theres an alternative that can actually do more. Dont get me wrong though, once i've booted Android on my device I never looked backed at windows again.
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
Coburn64 said:
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
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Yeah, I'm just saying the next high end windows phones will bring mobile smartphones into the next level. It will support higher res 1200x600 screens ,multiple screen support, being able to output movies, and UI to your TV..making it a true portable media device. You'll basically have a xbox 360/Zune/PC in your pocket.
hers what to do
send me your tatoo
ill send you my htc touch mk 1
fair swap
you get windows
i get anotheR lovely android device !!
(( no but seriously the apps you want i can sort of agree with, file managers on android are a whole new thing when your used to win-mob, maybe try linda file manager or astro its just a getting used to process... or we can swap ! ))
=====PEACE=====
eldrid said:
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
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Noted, I guess I misread your post as "OMG Android ****, WM pwns". Sorry if I offended you.
I'm sure if people wanted to, they could make a Win Mobile UI for android... but in my opinion, Android has a better feature set and can be hacked more than Windows Mobile can.
Hey i wasn't offended. Any way i agree the win mob UI is ****ty, its just the way the platform works that makes me like it, its very much like the windows pc that we use and are so overly familiar with. May be i will eventually get used to android.
As far as hacking goes....well no one has been able to root the tattoo or the droid eris yet...but almost all win mob devices at least have a soft spl out there.
Again a phone is meant to satisfy an almost unique set of needs of each individual, so yes its all personal preference.
I love the market on the android though..tons of free applications and in future if i had to buy a phone i would always choose a win mob or android phone...had a bad experience with symbian and i simply don't like the i-phone.
True. The iPhone UI is too simple, Windows Mobile had me going around in circles wondering how to send files to another device, and Android is just a "little slice of heaven". Again, that's my two cents, but yes, if any hardcore WM hacker wants a challenge, try porting WM to the HTC Click.
normally such porting is very hard if not impossible as drivers for the tattoo are made to be used with android 1.6, writing drivers from scratch for windows is going to be a royal pain in the @$$ for most developers.
Morning all,
I've got my hands on something for testing but I just gone and confused myself between CE and WinMo...
Has anyone here heard of Maplins MID? (It's not a phone, just a Mobile Internet Device using WiFi) It's correct / device id is A10JQ MID and can be found on google for full specs... only costs £70 though.
My question to pose to all the brains on XDA Developers: What can be done to upgrade a device like this?
It comes with some reasonable features, but is no where near as powerful as a decent WinMo phone like my HTC Touch. I have developed some stupid little apps using .NET and despite getting .NET CF to install on the device, it still won't run the .NET mobile apps.
Is there somewhere I can look at information for ripping / modifying the ROM like I do with my phone?
Specs-wise, it's very similar to the HTC Magician (M500) but with a better screen (it has the same SIP/Keyboard). Obviously there's no GSM hardware but that seems to make the device quicker to operate.
The WiFi may have been an after thought; there's an expansion slot for SD-Cards which I am using for storage, however there is no other visible slot, yet the WiFi is powered by a SD-IO card (presumably internal). The annoying part is that the WiFi is switched off by default, and there's a fumbled routine for switching it back on using the device's 'custom' menu system. Windows CE has it's own controls to do this but there's no menus. (Think parents trying to use this thing).
Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated. Has anyone else got one yet and found what's compatible / or not?
Thanks,
I have heard of it.
Is it win ce core?
It wont run many apps
flyboy
CE Core?
It's definitely not as good as the 6.5 ROM on my touch hd, but whats confusing me is that some of the pieces of software on there are much more advanced than the older CE devices that I've got. The system properties say:
- Microsoft Windows CE Version 5.00 (Build 1400)
- Processor Type: Telechips, ARM926-TCC79X
It's got plenty of RAM for a mobile internet browser, and browses the Internet quicker than my touch hd... well it brings the pages up quicker! It has no flash video support but uses core player to allow some access to you tube.
I read up mostly on developing my devices using .NET - from what I got; Windows Mobile is a 'fork' version of CE developed mainly with mobile GSM/Wireless devices in mind, but is compatible with CE applications. The compatibility implications are mostly to do with form-factors (layout). But I've found that I can't even get Total Commander to work!
I would just like to update to something more compatible / customisable... I suppose that's just the developer in me?
erm...
windows mobile is based on ce.
Is it that you want to run different apps on the device?
flyboy
Hy!
I think its an normal Windows CE like it runs on thousends of PNA devices.....the only Diffrerence is that the Mapplin is "DesktopFree" by default....( you can also make every WinCE PNA "DesktopFree" )......
So in Google you can find a lot of Software (Apps) for Windows CE......
MFG
Wwesome price for a device like this, i wish they sold it here
How can we move forward by continuing what we were used to do with WM6.5 on WP7 & HD7
I have just purchased HD7 and was expecting to move easily from WM6.5 on my previous diamond to WP7.
One of my reasons why I am buing a windows phone device is that all my history of work for more than 10 years was stored on windows mobile... It is true that I find some difficulties when upgrading, but there is always a way to upgrade and take with you your old staff...
Here is a surprise ...
This was a chat that i made on microsoft official Website...
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TOPIC:
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-How can we move forward by continuing what we were used to do with WP6.5 and work with WP7?
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DESCRIPTION:
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-Ok it seems that i will regret buying my new HTC HD7 that operates Windows phone 7.
-I have my own software that i purchased for windows phone 6.5 and i have no idea if I am able to install these softwares on windows phone 7.
-I use these software in my work and the backup softwares that i was used to for getting back all my contacts and SMS's... If anyone have a solution for this please reply and help the windows phone users.
-I beleive I am not the only one suffering from the same problem.
-Is Microsoft asking us to go and buy again the same softwares just for the reason of being windows phone 7?
-Ok, let us think forward, I will buy the new windows phone 7 apps but I want to be sure that these apps can also work on windows phone 6.5 so that i can continue building up by taking my old personal files and continue.
-I don't think it is a good idea to restart from scratch again...!
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REPLY: from Joel Ivory Johnson
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Cutting straight to the conclusion, Windows Phone isn't a form of Windows Mobile and has no compatibility with it. You can't use your Windows Mobile software on it.
If you want to see the full reasons behing the break away from Windows Mobile for a consumer solution you will want to watch the 15 February 2010 announcement from the Mobile World Congress for what was then called "Windows Phone 7 Series" (by Joe Belfiore and Steve Ballmer). The best way I can summarize it is that Microsoft couldn't provide the user experience they aimed for while retaining backwards compatibility. With the shrinking marketshare of Windows Mobile among consumers it would appear that the lost of past investments was already a shrinking concern (after all as users moved to Android and iPhone they were separating themselves from the past software investments. So no matter what it is bound to happen).
So Microsoft designed a new operating system for consumers and Windows Mobile (now called Windows Embedded Handheld) is still around as an enterprise solution and evolving in it's own direction.
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In reply to Joel Ivory Johnson post on March 12, 2011
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WoW... it was really shocking ... Now microsoft is asking me again to forget about my work in the last years...
I am ordered to push the button and restart or else i will be outdated...
does anyone have a suggestion ?
Now, I will not only think of changing my operating system, I'll think of changing my whole life and go to any other company that would respect people efforts over the years... And i have nothing to sacrifice this time, by anyways I will lose my previous work...
Thanks Microsoft for wasting 10 years of my life... (I started to work on windows mobile since this old i-mate 2020, anyone remember?)
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NOW:
-What do you think? -Any suggestion? -Any work arround? -Should we go back?
Move on, adapt to changes. I think Microsoft did a good thing starting from scratch. I mean.. if there was no Windows Phone 7 you would have either moved to Android, iOS, Blackberry or Symbian(Which is as good as dead by now). Then you would have had to start all over again with everything unless you wanted to use an archaic phone with an even more archaic OS.
As a good rule of thumb, it's always beneficial to do some research on what you are purchasing before you go ahead with the purchase.
As you have found out, Windows Mobile 6.5 is nothing like or even related to Windows Phone 7 (aside from the similarities in the name). Applications from Windows Mobile are not compatible with Windows Phone, and the same is true the other way around.
If you like Windows Mobile 6.5, you should stick with it. You'll be safe in knowing you will always have the latest version of Windows Mobile and won't ever have to upgrade your software again.
If you switch to Windows Phone 7, you switch to a brand new (version 1.0) platform. Kinda like switching from a PC to a Mac. So you'll be buying and building new apps for your new platform and will have to find ways to work with the new platform. You'll find that both Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 have their positives and negatives, and you just need to figure out what works best for you and stick with it.
You remember moving from 3.11 -> Win 95, Win 98 -> XP, and XP -> Vista... Win CE -> WM5
Now it is WM6.5 -> WP7...
Microsoft always do the same...
Don't you remember some good staff you had on your Win98 that you miss now?
I am an Engineer, I was used to use multiple engineering softwares that creat special file formats. Also some general softwares like GPS Tracking software, Graphic Calculators, and more...
Now Microsoft dicovered that it is out of the competition due to Android OS, and Iphone. So instead of holding its previous clients who where Using there PPC for real business applications and paying lots on cash for doing this, Microsoft decides to go with the easy trend. Some funny games, some animation, BUT WHERE IS THE CORE?
Now Windows Phone 7 looks to me like any simbian device with "MS office" (thanks god, they did not throw it away)
Where is the origen of "Windows =(multi-tasking)"?
does anyone believe that a windows os doesn't have multi-tasking? doesn't have file explorer?
sooo weired ...
I was a fan of Microsoft I always say those competitors are far away from what a PPC was made for...
Now I am shocked, even Microsoft is taking the easy way...
AmgAdly said:
You remember moving from 3.11 -> Win 95, Win 98 -> XP, and XP -> Vista... Win CE -> WM5
Now it is WM6.5 -> WP7...
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And this is where you misunderstand. Your progress chart is kinda off.
Win 1.x -> Win 2.x -> Win 3.x -> Win 95 -> Win 98 -> Win ME (end)
Win NT 3.x -> WinNT 4 -> Win 2000 (end)
Then the Windows consumer kernel and the Windows NT kernel were combined to create Windows XP.
Win XP -> Win Vista -> Win 7
The above are three separate lines of products but they happen to share the same brand name. Windows ME was the last of its product line. Upgrading from the Windows ME line to XP was a rather turbulent experience as it broke support for many hardware devices and offered little support for older software (though of course, there were always ways to make it work).
As for the Windows Mobile and Windows Phone lines.
... -> WM 6.0 -> WM 6.1 -> WM 6.5
WP7
Windows Mobile 6.5 and below are not part of the Windows Phone 7 line of software. They are two separate software product lines. Though they share similar names, which is a marketing tactic (a failed one I might add), but that's where the similarities end.
A sentiment shared by most people in the industry (and most consumers), Windows Mobile was (is) a dead platform and could not succeed any longer in its current form in this modern market. So its development has ended, and a new product was created called Windows Phone 7. WP7 is built from scratch, and because of that, it does not have all the features that the 10+ year old Windows Mobile product has. Given time, Windows Phone 7 will become an even better mobile platform than it currently is, but until then, if you are not happy with the kinds of things Windows Phone 7 brings to the table, then by all means switch to something else that does, or stick with Windows Mobile.
You bring up points that countless others have brought up before, and your complaints will yield no results, so its rather useless to complain. Not to mention, it is rather unfair to compare a product less than a year old to a product that has more than 10 years of development time. Of course Windows Mobile has got more features. That's just common sense.
What kind of a business tactic involves supporting a 10 year old product that doesn't cut it anymore? In this modern day of smartphones, the game has changed, so Microsoft needed to change with it.
So you are right, PPC is made for a different type of person, and Windows Phone 7 is not PPC, not even close.
You're a little off on your chart as well.
Win2000 is NT5.0. XP is NT5.1. They should be listed on the same line.
Just sayin'.
Thank you all for your reply...
As you mentioned, we should move forward... There was a nice PIM backup software that we used to backup our SMS's and contacts...
Is there any news about a new version to work on WP7 and use the Backup files we created on WM6.5 to be restored on WP7?
or any fix to run PIM backup software (in compatiblity view) (run as WM6.5 app) on WP7...?
We need to go forward and at least keep some backup of our SMS's ... right?
Thank you!
prjkthack said:
And this is where you misunderstand. Your progress chart is kinda off.
Win 1.x -> Win 2.x -> Win 3.x -> Win 95 -> Win 98 -> Win ME (end)
Win NT 3.x -> WinNT 4 -> Win 2000 (end)
Then the Windows consumer kernel and the Windows NT kernel were combined to create Windows XP.
Win XP -> Win Vista -> Win 7
The above are three separate lines of products but they happen to share the same brand name. Windows ME was the last of its product line. Upgrading from the Windows ME line to XP was a rather turbulent experience as it broke support for many hardware devices and offered little support for older software (though of course, there were always ways to make it work).
As for the Windows Mobile and Windows Phone lines.
... -> WM 6.0 -> WM 6.1 -> WM 6.5
WP7
Windows Mobile 6.5 and below are not part of the Windows Phone 7 line of software. They are two separate software product lines. Though they share similar names, which is a marketing tactic (a failed one I might add), but that's where the similarities end.
A sentiment shared by most people in the industry (and most consumers), Windows Mobile was (is) a dead platform and could not succeed any longer in its current form in this modern market. So its development has ended, and a new product was created called Windows Phone 7. WP7 is built from scratch, and because of that, it does not have all the features that the 10+ year old Windows Mobile product has. Given time, Windows Phone 7 will become an even better mobile platform than it currently is, but until then, if you are not happy with the kinds of things Windows Phone 7 brings to the table, then by all means switch to something else that does, or stick with Windows Mobile.
You bring up points that countless others have brought up before, and your complaints will yield no results, so its rather useless to complain. Not to mention, it is rather unfair to compare a product less than a year old to a product that has more than 10 years of development time. Of course Windows Mobile has got more features. That's just common sense.
What kind of a business tactic involves supporting a 10 year old product that doesn't cut it anymore? In this modern day of smartphones, the game has changed, so Microsoft needed to change with it.
So you are right, PPC is made for a different type of person, and Windows Phone 7 is not PPC, not even close.
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I'm quoting this because this is just about the best explanation I have seen so far. Honestly, this should be at the top of every WP7 related page on this forum. This is very well thought out, and articulated version of what I keep screaming everytime I read/see the same stuff.
"Quit cryin!" Get over it or move to Android (which IMO is Windows MOBILE 7+)
You're not going to cry MS into reverting back to WM6.'whatever'. So you can roll with it or move and roll in another direction.
You can keep backups of your SMS messages by utilizing Microsoft MyPhone (WinMo 6.5), which syncs your texts to your live account.
Unfortunately, no way to get those texts to your WP7. But you can always look at them.
http://myphone.microsoft.com
jimbonics said:
You're a little off on your chart as well.
Win2000 is NT5.0. XP is NT5.1. They should be listed on the same line.
Just sayin'.
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I separated Windows 2000 from XP because it is considered that Windows 2000 was the end of the whole "business-only" Windows platform (at the time 2000 was released, ME was also not far behind, so it was still billed as the separate "consumer" and "business" platforms), even though it was technically the first hybrid kernel Windows platform. It was only when XP was released that it was considered the first of the consumer/business hybrid platform. So therefore I think that warrants it to be part of a separate line on its own since its all been based on XP's whole hybrid mantra since then.
So yes, on either line, technically, it'd be correct. Haha.
The best indicator of whether something is good and valuable is the equipment price. At the beginning of the HD7 was very expensive and no one knew what it is WP7. After several months, it appears that it is better to give the phone to be utilized than to sell it on ebay. Nice phone on which you can do a little.