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Hello Everyone.
I'm new to the forum and this is my first post, although have been reading and applying a lot of knowledge you guys have! the forum is great!
Anyway, I have an unlocked HTC TyTN II, everything worked fine and I overall very satisfied with the device...
I made a foolish thing! I installed the "Wefi" utility and after playing with it for a little while, I didn't like the thing.. so, I decided to uninstall it.. however, now I find that my kaiser cannot longer connect automatically to my wireless networks after resume.. Now I only get the notification that it has found available wireless networks and, even though I chose not to show the message anymore, it does it every time, and when it does not, the phone doesn't connect to my WiFi.. so I need to do it manually... which is very annoying..
I already restored original registry keys under HLM\Comm\TNETW12511\Parms with no luck so far...
What can I do?... I'm still on the original WM 6.0, have not loaded any ROM changes yet..
Your help would be highly appreciated.
Thanks!
Oscar
Fix for auto connect problem after removing WeFi
My name is Galia Finkelstein and I work at the support desk at WeFi. This doesn't happen anymore on the new version that's been released so for the older version we have a version fix for the problem with the automatic connection, just run this file and you should be good to go http://wefi.com/static/RestoreZCAutoConnect.exe
If I can assist with anything else please drop me a line at [email protected].
WeFi post-uninstall problems
Hi!
I am sufferring from the same problems as "obadillo" - see above.
I downloaded and installed the latest version of WeFi, but after a couple of days of use, I found that I didn't like it, and it also took up too much of my valuable "today" screen space.
After uninstalling, I found that firstly, all my previous wi-fi settings had been lost (WEP keys for my home network, my work network etc etc), and secondly, even after re-enterring these details, my device (HTC Touch UK Version - Orange UK) - (running WM6 Pro) refused to auto-connect when I switch the WiFi on.
After reading the reply from Galia (directly above my post), I downloaded and ran the executable, but found that it made no difference.
Any ideas anyone? I did email Wefi's support email address, but as yet have received no reply.
Thanks in advance!
I have also tried this fix with no success (running WM5). I have also sent an email to wefi support. No response. I would recommend you stay away from this software.
We-Fi Latest Version
I have found a (kind of) solution! I have installed the latest version of We-Fi (downloaded from their website), and then DEselected it in my Today programs. So even though its not in use, its wifi parameters still overrule the PPCs local params. This seems to allow me to switch on and off WiFi WITHOUT using the WeFi software, and it now autoconnects, even with the several wireless networks I have stored, whenever I switch WiFi on, it may take a few seconds to connect, but it now does every time.
Not the greatest "solution", but at least the problem is partially solved.
But as the good man above says, unless you're VERY sure you want to install WeFi, do not install, because you will lose ALL preexisiting WiFi connections and settings etc..
Have a good one!
-=namwollem=-
Hello again, XDA devs!
I also had the problem and I'm struggling with Amir, some guy from the WeFi staff, to get the problem solved or at least recognized.
I left a complete description on my blog with links to people having problems. Here's the article (without links):
Before you consider installing WeFi on your Windows Mobile device, you might want to read this cautiously and save yourself some problems.
If you have not yet tried it, you're not missing much. Although promising, the app takes over your device. It controls your today screen, messes up your wi-fi parameters and some rarer stability issues were also reported.
First, the app needs .Net CF v.2.0, something that takes space and puts more useless crap on your device. Then the app doesn't just find networks and connect to them. Instead it overrides your wi-fi parameters and inserts its own code, thus the uninstallation problems. WeFi also takes a lot of your today screen's estate for basically nothing. How much screen space? Take a look.
Upon uninstalling it, many noticed their devices stopped automatically connecting to wireless networks, among other, rarer problems. The only known fix to the problem is to hard-reset your device and to stay the **** away from this app. We also saw a link to a .exe file somewhere but no one left feedback about it so we assume it's just as good as WeFi. You might also reinstall it, hide it and use it to take care of the wi-fi stuff or go in Settings>Connections>Wi-Fi everytime to select a network to connect to.
The developers were quick to comment about the problem and said they are working on it (see the first comment to this post). However their product page doesn't mention the problem yet and people still get caught. I left them feedback about *some* of the concerned device, assuming it's not all of them, hoping for a change. Feel free to do the same and put some pressure on these guys too.
You might also read one of those threads and see for yourself.
-Nico
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Full article: http://nicbou.com/2008/07/09/do-not-install…-you-pocket-pcdo-not-install-wefi-on-you-pocket-pc/
I'm trying to get the warning to reach all the download spots, if you guys feel like helping. This is just unacceptable, let's do something about it!
Haim head of WeFi Windows Mobile development team here
Hello all,
First, let me assure you all that we are doing our best to solve any user problem as quickly as possible.
Out of the thousands of mobile users we have, there are really only a few users who complained about this problem.
We released a fix that you can find in: http://www.wefi.com/download/client/RestoreZCAutoConnect.exe
which after executing and doing soft reset should solve the problem.
As our support team explained to “primemaps” via e-mails (sent in 08/07) this fix only works if you uninstall WeFi first.
What you are all describing is that ZeroConfig stopped auto connecting.
By avoiding the manipulation of ZeroConfig default timeouts in our next version (which should be released in about 2 weeks from now), this should not happen anymore.
If this does not help you or you have encountered any other problem – please send me an email to [email protected] and I promise a fast response,
it would help if you mentioned your WeFi version, Device model and ActiveSync version.
I hope you would all choose to install our next version and enjoy the many benefits it can bring you.
Haim
Can't work with it and can't work without it
With my HTC TyTN II I had similar problems as others have described, or maybe even worse: I could no longer work to any wireless networks. It would disconnect in less than one second every time.
I did a hard reset and that didn't work!
I also tried the "fix" the WeFi representative suggested but that didn't help at all either.
What finally helped me was Namwollem's solution: Install WeFi again and removed it from the Today screen (but kept it installed).
I can't help wonder if WeFi changes something in the ROM since a hard reset didn't even fix it.
One of these days I will have to install the ROM all over and see if it makes a difference, but I wish I could avoid that!
I hope others won't be stupid like me and install this #$%[email protected]#&$ software!
Nothing helps for my Diamond to restore Wifi signal
I have Htc diamond with newest Rom downloaded from htc.com.
My problem is that since i installed aplication WEFI(older version) and uninstalled it, i cannot see ANY available wifi networks.. I tried alot of things. I tried soft reset, hard reset, i installed WEFI (newest version) , in moments wifi works and shows available networks and i can connect, but after it doesnt work again.. I would say it shows networks only ocasionally(even if im always surrounded by at least 10 hotspots). I installed newest Rom again, i installed old official ROM, i always put mamximum performance instead of battery, and still i have no results/cannot see ANY available networks). I have a feeling like i really have a hardware problem with wifi now..But again i think whatever it is its caused by this aplication WEFI. Does anylone have any ideas? i saw some Rafael radio ROM , maybe i can try to install that?
Thanks
AArrrggghh!
This god-awful program rears its ugly head again! I have solved the problem totally now by getting a new handset!! Now I have my Touch HD (Blackstone), one thing I WILL NOT do is install this garbage!! A quick search thru the forums here will reveal a small and very useful program which will with one click switch-on WiFi (and auto connect to the signal it finds if stored in your preferred networks) and with another click will switch WiFi off! Its called AKWifiToggle, and while no where near as fancy as WeFi, IT WORKS and DOESN'T MUCK UP YOUR PHONE!!!
Hi -- I've got an unlocked Kaiser 100 which works fine in other countries (SFR network in France, O2 in Ireland, etc...) and _has_ worked fine on AT&T in America until recently. Suddenly, the data connection has started randomly but chronically started going dead on me. The problem has nothing to do with connection strength: I'm in Manhattan, which generally has excellent coverage, and the connection can be at four bars on HSDPA, and I still won't be able to download _any_ data. Sometimes the four bars HSDPA icon will suddenly change to the no-connection icon for a moment and then return to four bars HSDPA again. And this happens completely unpredictably: the connection is sometimes fine for hours and hours, while at other times I won't be able to download any data for minutes at a time.
I've tried many different connection settings, some with proxy and some without, and haven't been able to fix the issue. AT&T support has been, of course, completely useless, and just stay that these problems happen with unlocked, non-AT&T branded phones.
Does anyone have any ideas? I'm using the stock ROM that came with the phone (and which worked great with AT&T until recently) and I've tried doing two soft-resets, neither of which have fixed the issue.
Thanks!
Alan
p.s. Does anyone understand why a "search this forum" search for ATT or AT&T turns up _nothing_? There are many posts that mention AT&T, obviously, but I can't find any of them doing a search. I wonder if someone has posted on this issue before, but I have no way to find out.
You didn't disable anything with an adv config tool by chance?
You are sure you covered "disable proxy"?
Settings:
Name: MediaNet
Proxy settings: None and "This network connects to the internet" marked
Access point: wap.cingular
Username/password/domain: LEAVE BLANK (don't ask why just leave BLANK)
Adv settings: User server assigned IP address
IP header compression
Servers: All empty
I had a similar issue a few weeks ago and AFTER removing username and pw all worked out well.
Thanks for the response -- yes, those are exactly what my settings have been too. They seem to be working fine right now, but I'm sure I'll have connection issues again later today or tomorrow.
Thanks!
Alan
Thank you for that. Telling me to delete my UN & password in media net settings. For some reason, that has saved me from wanting to destroy my mother ****ing phone.
With the UN and Password in there, my phone (when in use as modem for laptop) would ONLY allow me to run google searches, and visit the paypal website. Note, I couldn't actually click on any google result, as it would then resort to error 404
Thank you again, for lending me the tip that makes my phone work like it ****ing should have out of the goddamn box
I'm having data trouble as well. Everything worked fine as of last night. However, this morning I found that I could only connect to the Internet with Internet Explorer. Other browsers, Opera Mini, Opera 8.65, all hang. SiriusWM5, SelectRadio, Resco Radio, youtubeplay and other Web-enabled programs can no longer connect. However, QuickGPS still works as does RSS Hub.
I've tried to tinker with the connection settings, including using the advice in this thread Nothing works. I ran connection setup to just restore the original settings. Nothing. I can only connect with IE...I'm posting this message with it. Any ideas on what the problem might be that would allow some apps to work and not others?
UPDATE: Opera 9 and Netfront 3.3 actually do work. Live Search works also.
Is Pocket Outlook working? I just called AT&T because mine stopped working today.
It looks like this is a widespread problem. Mine is doing the same thing. At least we know it is the service and not the phone.
Hust saw this post on another website..
"Just got off the phone with an AT&T Rep. The hurricane knocked something out and the data access is supposedly down in half the U.S. ETA was this afternoon per the rep"
good to know. but why would some programs work and others not? don't they all use the same port/server/whatever to access the Web?
this is still weird. but let's hope it's fixed ASAP.
seems they've fixed the problem.
why would some programs work and others not
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Cannot explain how a network works in three words but services to support whatever network (DNS, routers, proxy's, NAT servers) are spread all over the US so if a major hub or datacenter has a problem, things go south, at least partially.
diar said:
seems they've fixed the problem.
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Yeah, looks like things are working now.
I've run into a similar issue except that my phone works OK in the US but not in Germany.
I have an AT&T Tilt with the latest official AT&T Windows 6.1 ROM. It works great here in the US. However, when I am in Germany, the data connection seems to drop and the only way I found to get it back is to do a soft reset. It then comes back for a while, but drops again after some time (maybe tens of minutes - there's an X next to the data connection symbol). After the soft reset I am able to connect to download say the weather in the built-in HTC Home. However, after several minutes the connection drops again and checking the weather results in the phone trying to establish a data connection followed by a message that the answering modem has dropped the call.
Anyone know what the problem might be? The issue seems aggravated while connected to Vodafone, less so when connected to O2. After returning to the US everything works as expected again. I haven't done any tweaks to change the data connections of the phone. KaiserTweak sees everything related to GPRS and data set to default. Some people have suggested getting a new radio ROM, but I'm not sure which one would work well in the US, Europe, Japan and Korea.
Try checking AT&T support tutorials at https://www.wireless.att.com/suppor...0&tutorialsCategory=Browser&tutorialId=668770
I have a CAB in the office for intl. data setup. Helped me in Europe all the time, will post tomorrow.
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Try checking AT&T support tutorials at https://www.wireless.att.com/suppor...0&tutorialsCategory=Browser&tutorialId=668770
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I will try selecting the carrier when I am in Europe next week. However, I'd prefer something that just works in case a particular carrier is not available. I am hoping the radio will work OK in Korea and Japan too.
tyguy: Do you know what the cab changes? Does it change the radio ROM code or does it modify some other settings? I'm curious as to what is causing the problem. Also, is this a one time operation or do you have to keep changing settings when you go between continents?
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I have a CAB in the office for intl. data setup. Helped me in Europe all the time, will post tomorrow.
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Would you have it available now? I'm interested in trying it out. Do you have any details on what it actually does?
@emuyshondt
You're not forgotten. I do not know what it does but it worked for me in Europe.
I deleted it from my email since a buddy of mine sent it while I was in Europe and didn't store it.
Let me poke around - I'll come back to you.
Here it is.
Details http://www.taniwha.org.uk/gprs.html
CAB attached
Thanks! I'll try it out this coming weekend.
Lemme know.
At various points my Focus S seems to lose the ability to use it's data connection- either Wifi or 3G. I can't work out why- has anyone else experienced this? Web pages don't load, etc.
I installed a patch that allowed me to use Internet Sharing, I'm concerned this might have been the cause of it...
I've found that if I do not reboot my phone at least once a day I get random problems like that.
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At various points my Focus S seems to lose the ability to use it's data connection- either Wifi or 3G. I can't work out why- has anyone else experienced this? Web pages don't load, etc.
I installed a patch that allowed me to use Internet Sharing, I'm concerned this might have been the cause of it...
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I don't reboot my phone all that often. I've never seen it lose ALL data connection capability tho...
A regular power cycle doesn't hurt tho...
Can this be the issue?
I'm experiencing the same thing, but mainly when I'm connected to 3G. My phone shows it has full bars and 3G or 4G availability but I find 60% of the time my phone has little to no data going to my phone, so none of my apps or news feeds get updated or they get updated slowly. When I'm on wifi the phone works flawlessly.
I read this article,
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/hack-fixes-mms-on-unlocked-samsung-wp7-handsets
One of the odder quirks of Windows Phone 7 to appear since the platform's launch has been the absence of Automatic Data Configuration for users who swap SIM chips and network-hop with their unlocked handsets.
ADC should let the phone communicate with the network it's connected to in order to retrieve all the settings it needs in order to use the network's services. Samsung defended disabling ADC by saying that its phones are intended to only be used with a specific carrier
Now I know this is talking about MMS, but does anyone think it's related to 3G connectivity from a different service provider?
i am having the same problem, it started 2 days ago after i unlocked my phone, at&t gave me the unlock code, i had to enable hot spot & de brand by loading a file, i don't have problem with WiFi just 4G, it will be fixed if i re start the phone.
problem for me with wifi+3G
Not sure if this is the same as the OP. I run with both WiFi and 3G enabled most of the time. Basically everything will be working fine for a while, then I'll try to open a web page from Twitter and it will time out. Sometimes retrying will work, but it will take an abnormally long time to load the page. Other times it never works, and when I go to another app (e.g. mail) and try to sync, and that will also time out. When that happens I usually turn off either WiFi or 3G, then toggle the state of the one I left on (e.g. turn 3G off, then back on), and it clears up. I've never needed to reboot the phone. I don't have ICS enabled, but my phone is fully unlocked.
I've guessed this problem was caused by a lost or bad connection on one of the wireless protocols (like WiFi), where the phone thinks it is connected to WiFi and won't switch over to the other protocol (3G).
One more thing: I'm running 8107 and I don't remember this issue occurring before the upgrade.
M
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Not sure if this is the same as the OP. I run with both WiFi and 3G enabled most of the time. Basically everything will be working fine for a while, then I'll try to open a web page from Twitter and it will time out. Sometimes retrying will work, but it will take an abnormally long time to load the page. Other times it never works, and when I go to another app (e.g. mail) and try to sync, and that will also time out. When that happens I usually turn off either WiFi or 3G, then toggle the state of the one I left on (e.g. turn 3G off, then back on), and it clears up. I've never needed to reboot the phone. I don't have ICS enabled, but my phone is fully unlocked.
I've guessed this problem was caused by a lost or bad connection on one of the wireless protocols (like WiFi), where the phone thinks it is connected to WiFi and won't switch over to the other protocol (3G).
One more thing: I'm running 8107 and I don't remember this issue occurring before the upgrade.
M
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I have the EXACT same issue as you state here. The problem has existed since day one with this phone. I updated through to 8107 and the issues still exist.
So now for some interesting/good news... my dad works for a large company that has direct access to AT&T Wireless Engineers, so he got in contact with an an engineer and explained this issue as both him and I experience the same issues. The engineer was able to get a hold of a Samsung Focus S and experienced the same problems for himself. He then escalated the issue directly to Samsung who in-turn escalated this to Microsoft. Apparently Microsoft claimed the issue was theirs and they are now working on an update to rectify the problem. Samsung also apparently has some updates that they were going to push but have since held off on pushing them until Microsoft has the fix for this data issue fixed.
I've been so frustrated by these issues and the lack of information regarding them that I thought you might be interested in knowing that Samsung, Microsoft, and AT&T ARE working to get the problem resolved.
Wow! This is really great news as I am having the exact same problem. I usually just on and back off Airplane mode and that fixes it, but its a real hassle. So, the word is that Samsung is, possibly, combining all the current issues like this data, the extra settings/quirky display, and the 8107/disappearing keyboard all in to one?
matt
The AT&T engineer didn't say what was going to be included in the Samsung update, just that Samsung was holding off on releasing the update until after Microsoft supplied a fix for the data issues. Hopefully Samsung's update fixes all of the Focus S quirks (data issues, delayed keyboard sounds, quirky display/auto brightness) in one shot.
Thanks for posting this, i feel better that Microsoft & Samsung are working on fixing this issue.
Any updates/news about this specific issue? I have the exact issue with my Focus S since I got my phone
I too have been having this issue and still haven't found a solution. I hope Samsung and Microsoft come up with a solution soon because it is very irritating.
Keep this post updated
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I too have been having this issue and still haven't found a solution. I hope Samsung and Microsoft come up with a solution soon because it is very irritating.
Keep this post updated
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Am I mistaken...but the majority of people posting in this thread, have the problem after installing something non standard?
8107 is not released by Samsung/AT&T, so the possibility that an associated file is not included, does exist.
Was the hotspot patch and official release, or was it intended for sideload or something?
I'm just curious. I had the luxary to have my Dell Venue Pro sent to Microsoft and examined by the Test and OEM team for WP. This was several months ago. They were able to determine I had used the force update trick to update my Device. From pieces of various emails, I was able determine the update included multiple files. The multiple files consisted of Device specific instructions and additional files needed for the that operator, in addition to the Update provided by MS.
If this is the case, forcing an update into place may indeed load the update, but it might not include other needed files.
Now, I'm not an expert, a dev or anything else important. I cannot validate that what I said is true. But, i do have the benefit of having my older device looked at by MS several months ago. This does not prove 2+2=4. But it does raise enough doubt in my mind that I won't be foruce updating my devices until alot more people get a look at this methodology and perhaps come up with some answers, or at least explanations.
Does the internet connection issue appear only after the forced 8107 update?
I had been using a Chevron-unlocked Samsung Focus S on the 7720 and had experienced no issues. Just updated to 8107 following Heathcliff74's method so I hope this issue doesn't start to plague me.
Also, has anyone had success with voluptuary's wifi internet connection sharing and interop-unlock method? I am hesitant to apply that hack exactly because of worries about issues with internet...
I'm a big chicken. I am just going to wait for AT&T to release the update. I just have this funny feeling that there's a little something extra included with the at&t update. I've done plenty of customizing over the years, but just have a feeling about this. I do wish they would step on it, though.
matt
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Extra as in something to block out interop unlocks (bad) or firmware updates (good)? Definitely hoping for a camera firmware upgrade.....
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Extra as in something to block out interop unlocks (bad) or firmware updates (good)? Definitely hoping for to get a camera firmware upgrade.....
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when I said extra, I meant a focus s specific file that might act as a customization or configuration file. I don't think a block file of any sort might be included. But I do know that at&t is proprietary enough to want a unique identifier of some sort. In Gen 1, at&t had special builds just for them, turning on or off features. I know the hd7 had a specific 'config' type file, as did the venue pro. Would I call these extra files? No. I would call them required files. Build 8107 was a single build for WP. Do you think that all phones with mango had the same needs, samex files, same configs? Or is it possible that a related file acted as a config or control.
I'm not smart enough to know for sure. My gut says...maybe. .
Same Problem
Any news on this? I am having the same issue on my Focus S
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Any news on this? I am having the same issue on my Focus S
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We just need AT&T to release the update. That's all. Rumor is all comes with the Tango update.
matt
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I hope so. Thanks for the fast response
So yeah, assuming their efforts is successful and they manage to set up their wifi to deny access to rooted devices, is there anyway around this without unrooting?
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So yeah, assuming their efforts is successful and they manage to set up their wifi to deny access to rooted devices, is there anyway around this without unrooting?
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There used to be a module called Root Cloack(er) for Xposed frameworks that hides root, don`t know if there is a version for Marsmellow though. Its here on the XDA forums somewhere.
But how? I can't think of any way to detect a rooted/jailbroken phone from a Wifi connection, without you having to install or run some other piece of software/script that would give them that information.
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But how? I can't think of any way to detect a rooted/jailbroken phone from a Wifi connection, without you having to install or run some other piece of software/script that would give them that information.
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I'm not sure. I would not put it past my company to make us install such a script in order to access wifi.
Many places are doing this. Detecting root is simple. Even Snapchat and others are doing it. Heck they are even looking for xposed and won't work if detected.
You would be amazed at what info people can get from your device when it's connected to wifi
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Many places are doing this. Detecting root is simple. Even Snapchat and others are doing it. Heck they are even looking for xposed and won't work if detected.
You would be amazed at what info people can get from your device when it's connected to wifi
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a lot of info sure... But an app running on your phone detecting it, vs detecting that something is installed simply by connecting to their network? Your phone passes along a lot of info... but not installed binaries?
I could see them maybe having a black list, like if you're connecting the the exposed repositories your likely rooted... but if you are not using programs that require root access and communicate over the network, how are they doing this?
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a lot of info sure... But an app running on your phone detecting it, vs detecting that something is installed simply by connecting to their network? Your phone passes along a lot of info... but not installed binaries?
I could see them maybe having a black list, like if you're connecting the the exposed repositories your likely rooted... but if you are not using programs that require root access and communicate over the network, how are they doing this?
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A simple request for the info. Have you ever looked at a logcat and saw everything running. I could be gone for weeks and come home and tell you every device that has ever connected to my network the whole time I was gone and with the right things in place could even tell if they are rooted or jailbroken
I can see the same as the poster above me on our network, it is not hard at all. And if we had such a policy and you used a cloaker I would have you fired.
Their network, their rules. I really don't think you should do this.
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A simple request for the info. Have you ever looked at a logcat and saw everything running. I could be gone for weeks and come home and tell you every device that has ever connected to my network the whole time I was gone and with the right things in place could even tell if they are rooted or jailbroken
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Can you provide any links or further detail? Obviously by viewing system logs you can tell whats running.... but I have never seen any standard network function to request a connected device to send logs without permission? Google searching the topic provides little info as its saturated with info on how to root, and using root for ad blocking.
Even a brief overview of the setup you would use to check? What are "the right things" and what "place" would the need to be in?
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Can you provide any links or further detail? Obviously by viewing system logs you can tell whats running.... but I have never seen any standard network function to request a connected device to send logs without permission? Google searching the topic provides little info as its saturated with info on how to root, and using root for ad blocking.
Even a brief overview of the setup you would use to check? What are "the right things" and what "place" would the need to be in?
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I wont get into it too deeply as I have my guys that watch this site as well and If they go around my security setup like with exchange pin request or using some devices on my network I will fire them on the spot. Lets just say the router logs everything that is done on the network. Connect your device to your wifi and then watch a logcat. You should be able to see what you are looking for.
Understand that unless approved by me no device can connect to my network. With the right router you can see everything about a device. you wont find much info on google as things like this are kept close to the chest with the IT crowd
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I wont get into it too deeply as I have my guys that watch this site as well and If they go around my security setup like with exchange pin request or using some devices on my network I will fire them on the spot. Lets just say the router logs everything that is done on the network. Connect your device to your wifi and then watch a logcat. You should be able to see what you are looking for.
Understand that unless approved by me no device can connect to my network. With the right router you can see everything about a device. you wont find much info on google as things like this are kept close to the chest with the IT crowd
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No one here is trying to connect to your network. It's XDA and people are curious. I agree that it's silly to circumvent measures used by the company you work for (assuming you want to keep working there), but I also find it strange that you connect to a network and have that router, etc tell if your phone has a specific binary and apk. Is that what you are claiming happens?
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There used to be a module called Root Cloack(er) for Xposed frameworks that hides root, don`t know if there is a version for Marsmellow though. Its here on the XDA forums somewhere.
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This is not possible to limit an android version via network traffic, the best they could do is catch you updating cyanogenmod and ban your mac by guessing that your rooted, but its so much work, its a bunch of empty threats.
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No one here is trying to connect to your network. It's XDA and people are curious. I agree that it's silly to circumvent measures used by the company you work for (assuming you want to keep working there), but I also find it strange that you connect to a network and have that router, etc tell if your phone has a specific binary and apk. Is that what you are claiming happens?
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It can yes. And you are right this is XDA but you would be amazed at what info is not shared here or anywhere except between IT managers or other devs.
Once connected to a network it is not that hard to get everything from a device. This is why all the warnings about connecting to open networks. While Open networks are more of a risk it goes to show that anything can be done.
This has been a practice for a very long time even back to the WM days when roms encluded time bombs that would make the rom not work after a set time and date.
zelendel said:
It can yes. And you are right this is XDA but you would be amazed at what info is not shared here or anywhere except between IT managers or other devs.
Once connected to a network it is not that hard to get everything from a device. This is why all the warnings about connecting to open networks. While Open networks are more of a risk it goes to show that anything can be done.
This has been a practice for a very long time even back to the WM days when roms encluded time bombs that would make the rom not work after a set time and date.
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It's all smoke and mirrors to me until someone explains how it's possible to read files on a device by a user just connecting to a network and providing no further interaction. Sure you can get the device MAC, name, etc, but that's not how I read your statements. As mentioned in the post above yours, you can guess on network traffic, etc, but I really doubt anyone can "know everything".
Loved the HTC Diamond and TP2 [emoji1]
mwalt2 said:
It's all smoke and mirrors to me until someone explains how it's possible to read files on a device by a user just connecting to a network and providing no further interaction. Sure you can get the device MAC, name, etc, but that's not how I read your statements. As mentioned in the post above yours, you can guess on network traffic, etc, but I really doubt anyone can "know everything".
Loved the HTC Diamond and TP2 [emoji1]
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Its not guessing network traffic. You can tell exactly what sites they go to. You can tell if they are using a mobile or desktop browser. (same way the carriers do it to prevent teethering)
All it takes is being connected to a network to be infected with a virus. Just how do you think that happens?
No one is gonna explain it. Just like we dont allow talks about network penetration. There are just something that are best not out in public view.
Here is an older example of how they detected jailbroken iphones on school networks.
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Its not guessing network traffic. You can tell exactly what sites they go to. You can tell if they are using a mobile or desktop browser. (same way the carriers do it to prevent teethering)
All it takes is being connected to a network to be infected with a virus. Just how do you think that happens?
No one is gonna explain it. Just like we dont allow talks about network penetration. There are just something that are best not out in public view.
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I am specifically referring to detecting that a binary and an apk exist on a device SOLELY based on establishing a network connection (not viruses, not websites visited...user does nothing and no new code/software runs on the device). That does not seem probable to me.
It may just be semantics, but that's how I interpreted your original statement.
Of course network admins can see what sites users visit, what browser they use, etc and there is no guessing - only logs [emoji3]. I was using guessing in different sense (ie, you see something "suspicious" and draw conclusions).
Wow.... if i ever get fired after i found out they are 'reading' files on my device... this will be case for a courtn no doubt! I'm sure (at least where i live) the one that fires you based on such actions will have a big problem!
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I am specifically referring to detecting that a binary and an apk exist on a device SOLELY based on establishing a network connection (not viruses, not websites visited...user does nothing and no new code/software runs on the device). That does not seem probable to me.
It may just be semantics, but that's how I interpreted your original statement.
Of course network admins can see what sites users visit, what browser they use, etc and there is no guessing - only logs [emoji3]. I was using guessing in different sense (ie, you see something "suspicious" and draw conclusions).
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If you read the link they showed how to detect cydia which showed them it was jailbroken. The same thing can be done on android.
Droidphilev said:
Wow.... if i ever get fired after i found out they are 'reading' files on my device... this will be case for a courtn no doubt! I'm sure (at least where i live) the one that fires you based on such actions will have a big problem!
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You would lose. When you agree to use their network you agree to all their rules. This is the main reason for things like Knox. As more and more place move to a "right to work" setup where they dont need a reason to fire you at all. I would be careful about what rules one does break. Gone are the days where we could get away with things like this.
You know this got me thinking. Maybe I will play around with my network and see what I can find out. I have to block root and xposed users anyway so this would be a great challenge. Might be awhile as I revert all my PC back to windows 7.
From an IT perspective, a rooted device provides little to no security. That's why most mobile device management (MDM) products include a feature that let IT block rooted devices from connecting to the secure network or accessing corporate assets. But these products must be able to detect rooted devices before they can block them, and there are ways users can get around those detection mechanisms. Organizations that rely on MDM alone to detect rooted devices should be aware of these limitations.
http://searchmobilecomputing.techta...evice-risks-include-network-access-data-theft
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If you read the link they showed how to detect cydia which showed them it was jailbroken. The same thing can be done on Android.
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I didn't see a link in Tapatalk or Chrome mobile. As for me, I see no reason why I'd ever want to connect my personal smartphone to my work network. Thanks for the discussion.
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You made me VERY curious! I will try to call HR department of the company i work for today to ask how this works for us
If i get fired because of this phonecall i will try to get you fired for making me curious
Hi,
I'm using the latest stock version and wonder what the system-app com.oppo.wifisniffer is doing. I know it would be stupid to name an app like that if it would actually intercept my wifi and sniff for sensitive data. So i wondered if there is any intel out there about this system-app. (I actually think there is another thread on XDA with a similar question which has no answers at all...)
Is someone experiencing strange behaviour with their connected wifi?
Did someone reverse this app? (can't find much online though)
Anyway, some clearing up would be nice for my conscience...
slic3r said:
Hi,
I'm using the latest stock version and wonder what the system-app com.oppo.wifisniffer is doing. I know it would be stupid to name an app like that if it would actually intercept my wifi and sniff for sensitive data. So i wondered if there is any intel out there about this system-app. (I actually think there is another thread on XDA with a similar question which has no answers at all...)
Is someone experiencing strange behaviour with their connected wifi?
Did someone reverse this app? (can't find much online though)
Anyway, some clearing up would be nice for my conscience...
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I found that this app is in oppologkit.While we dial *#800# then oppologkit screen will appear .Settings-->Wifi-->Wifisniffer.Dont know for what purpose they provided that.
"wifisniffer" sounds like the software that detects available wifi to me. the phone also has an option that connect to the best wifi available automatically. not sure how you jumped to thinking it may be stealing your credentials lol. You should worry about every process run by the phone if you suspect as much lol.
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"wifisniffer" sounds like the software that detects available wifi to me. the phone also has an option that connect to the best wifi available automatically. not sure how you jumped to thinking it may be stealing your credentials lol. You should worry about every process run by the phone if you suspect as much lol.
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You are completely right, nevertheless just to know what apps are doing is kinda calming thought, isn't it? As the term "sniffer" is usually used in another way than connecting to the best wifi available...
Anyway thanks for your answers ...