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BA WM5 Broadcom 1.7.1 Build 3400 Stack (Test)
This is just some test of mine to hv option with BT stack (MS/Broadcom), I only spend the last 3 hour workin on this little project, so it really possible if anything is missing or I forgotin something (its happens to me right?..lol), but I've test it and it work like it should (With My v1.3 ROM), I dont know if this test hv a bug. maybe we can test it, especially A2DP and stabilty issues with this test.
Tested operation:
1. Activesync
2. Send/Recieve File
3. Headset via computer
4. Network Access
5. BT Serial Port
6. Dial-up Networking
Known Issue:
U tell me, not tested so much.
Instalation:
1. Install the HELMI_BA_WM5_BT1.7_TEST.CAB then soft reset
Uninstall (note the step its really neccesary, or u'll endup mess with ur phone):
1. Install Enable_MS_BT_.CAB
2. Delete registry value (or the folder)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WIDCOMM]
and delete "Redirect" key on:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\Bluetooth]
"Redirect"="BTConnManagerCE.exe"
3. Reset
4. Uninstall HELMI_BA_WM5_BT1.7_TEST.
5. Delete file from \Temp dir
EDIT:
I forgot to mention, after u run ENABLE_MS_BT.CAB the Broadcomm/Widcomm file will be move to \Temp folder so u can delete it safely...
Dont expect to be perfect on this release, cos its only on earlier stage, to early, hopes someone might help for improvement, and workin together with me, and I hopes some1 can make a better Install/Uninstall process.
Dont install/try if u dont know what ur doin, and backup your data is a must.
Input is always welcome. cos I believe there's still much things to do.
Thanks for http://www.aximsite.com site and everybody there for the BT file.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=122247
and also thanks -=xXx=- for the info where to find it. thanks man.
Helmi
gonna test it now helmi_c
thanks
Just intalled. The stereo works fine! Great quality for me! The hands free seems to be a bit tempremental. Worked once and then stopped afet receiving one call.. WIll try it out again..It looks like am stuck with an either. One observation: with the ms stack, there was a headphoen icon while using the phone. is absent here...wonder if that was a ms stack function?
deepak
helmi_c,
hmm weird, after i installed the new wildcom stack, my pda cant see my headset anymore.
still testing though.
wish me luck.
imatrix
I believe u guys both hv problem with MS Stack, hopes this stack will help for who having problem with MS Stack, but remember this is just some sort test, maybe still need a lot of improvement. but its seems work good with deepakr who hv problem with MS, imatrix hopes u'll hv the same result like he does. good luck.
btw In the rar there's a BTspeed cab, it might help for some headset, post on the Axim forum sites... there's also another app for controlin power if i'm not mistaken, I'll post when i get back.
A little note, this stack sometimes wakeup if gsm signal is lost/found, if the signal of gsm is good, it shouldnt happen (theoriticaly speaking..lol..).
helmi_c
Firstly great to see BT restarting automatically after handset is switched on from standby mode. After some fooling around I was able to set up activesync and it worked like a charm (useful for me especially since USB activesync does not work)
Couple of problems I faced
1. Turning off and restarting BT gave me a unable to load driver due to insufficient memory error. When I stopped my activesync, outlook and contacts and tried again it started successfully.
2. I was unable to find the DUN service and my PC did not recognize a DUN service either - am I looking/not looking at the right place?
Thanks and highly appreciate your prolific contribution
-AKC
Hi Hemli
I have just installed this a minute ago,
Ill report back in a few hours with my experiances with this.
Hopefully it will be better than M$ BT stack with stereo headsets.
I've upload a patch that contain a newer BTCeIf.dll (1.7 the original was 1.6) and HTC_PCM_Routing.dll taken from htc device. well... in my device I dont hv problem with memory issues, even without this patch.. I dont know for sure, cos i dont test it much...currently test workin Simultaniously is BTSYnc, SerialPort 1 in 1 out, and Audio Gateway. and its still work fine.
btw please post comment here, and also what rom u currently use. Otw now, just come to trow the patch..
bro helmi,
Sorry if i asking you stupid question.
Can this file install/working with WM2003SE ?
THX
hi..
hi have instal this, and find some issues
1- if i turn on bt the wifi dont work..
2- if i turn on wifi, the bt give the memory error
afther use 1 off the things (bt our wifi) need a soft reset to work the other
Riddler said:
bro helmi,
Sorry if i asking you stupid question.
Can this file install/working with WM2003SE ?
THX
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No, it does not work on WM2003SE, I installed it and I had to hard re-set my Imate, it works only under Wondows 2005!!
Any way I gave it a try and I had to hard reset my PDA any way!!
Helmi, I just wanted to confirm, that Dial-Up with 2nd phone works fine. Tested also BT stereo headphones from HP (A2DP with additional profile for controlling playing - skipping to the next track and pause) - So far works as only BT implementation in BA allows: on close distance and not doing much in backgroud works fine.
Another happy user of your Firmware and other tools for BA!
Later on I will test GPS on BT, but do not expect any problems.
One small detail is left from old BT stack: while creating a connection you can still choose connection using "Bluetooth" that refers to M$ stack (selecting it reports hardware error - not rreally suprising
helmi_c said:
I've upload a patch that contain a newer BTCeIf.dll (1.7 the original was 1.6) and HTC_PCM_Routing.dll taken from htc device. well... in my device I dont hv problem with memory issues, even without this patch.. I dont know for sure, cos i dont test it much...currently test workin Simultaniously is BTSYnc, SerialPort 1 in 1 out, and Audio Gateway. and its still work fine.
btw please post comment here, and also what rom u currently use. Otw now, just come to trow the patch..
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Aha! The patch helped! I now have a fully functional headset, stereo on the headphones and a great speedy and stable ROM. Makes me one happy camper. Looks like now I can go ahead and finally configure this with all my apps. Thanks helmi
NO HANDSFREE PROFILE
Hi
nice integration and thanks but i went back to ms as my sony ericson hcb-700 wll not pair for some reason after looks like the handsfree profile is not working
The Audio stream is great with this BT solution !
But when I connect to my parrot ck3300 carkit, It opens the connection like there is a tel.call active. when i press the hangup button on my carkit the BT connection is gone.
So it seems it is connected as headset and not as handsfree phone,
One other thing, when I connect to my BT Sony Ericsson HbH ds970 stereo headset I cannot shut off the screen in tcpmp player ???
(I think this also happened with th MS stack)
any solution for this ?
Last test (with my clean AKU3.2 v1.3) with BroadcommPatch1 applied and no overclock:
Turn on/off 4 times and reconnect below service (get bored to turn on/off and play with it again):
currently active BT service at the same time is:
1. Activesync / Bluetooth serial Out (syncing)
2. Network Acces/ Bluetooth Networking
3. Audio Gateway / Calling my mobile operator and stream audio to my pc as headset
4. Send/Recieve file from pc and from pda
5. Bluetooth serial In
and currently active application (leave as background procces I dont close it):
1. Activesync (Syncing)
2. Calendar
3. Contact (580 contact display)
4. Excel Mobile opening 185kb file
5. Album
6. Word Mobile opening 220kb file (little bit slow on opening)
7. Powerpoint Mobile opening 350kb file till end slide
8. Notes
9. Task
10. Bluetooth Manager
11. File Explorer
12. Calculator.
lastly...activate Wifi...wifi detecting & connect to neighbor network... turn off wifi...activated again...detecting & connect to neighbor network again...
but I dont test the GPS (serial port) or A2DP stuff since i dont hv it.
turn off bt...turn on again...reconnect the above BT service...do this 4 times.. still no memory issues. well maybe I'm just bein lucky... but the battery is drain more faster with this test, maybe because this is somekind of stress testing.
so far this Broadcomm stack still running well...the sound from Audiogateway while this test active is still ok, but if the gsm signal is bad, the sound is bad also, so its not bt problem its a gsm problem. btw the ShutXP Icon on the tray is GONE..thats weird.., that the only issue I hv..
btw does anyone know where to find a PC Widcomm/Broadcomm driver that support A2DP, I dont remember where to find it. My PC Widcomm driver version is v1.4.2 Build 12, quite old, I want to test the a2dp profile.
btw if u play with:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\WIDCOMM\Plugin\HandsFree]
"SupportedFeatures"=dword:37 (default doesnt exist)
"ServiceMask"=dword:1
"AudioSetupDll"="\windows\HTC_PCM_Routing.dll" (default MkSpk_PCM_Routing.dll need to play with this and see what more widely support device)
"AudioPreferences"=dword:2
"AudioHandling"=dword:13 (default 8 )
there's a Icon if headset is activated. but its seems unstable in my device, try it.
bigsteve said:
Hi Hemli
I have just installed this a minute ago,
Ill report back in a few hours with my experiances with this.
Hopefully it will be better than M$ BT stack with stereo headsets.
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jakubd said:
Helmi, I just wanted to confirm, that Dial-Up with 2nd phone works fine. Tested also BT stereo headphones from HP (A2DP with additional profile for controlling playing - skipping to the next track and pause) - So far works as only BT implementation in BA allows: on close distance and not doing much in backgroud works fine.
Another happy user of your Firmware and other tools for BA!
Later on I will test GPS on BT, but do not expect any problems.
One small detail is left from old BT stack: while creating a connection you can still choose connection using "Bluetooth" that refers to M$ stack (selecting it reports hardware error - not rreally suprising
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oops... well, maybe its a little bit tricky to strip out completely the old stack, but I'll try learn this... or any input is more then welcome
deepakr said:
Aha! The patch helped! I now have a fully functional headset, stereo on the headphones and a great speedy and stable ROM. Makes me one happy camper. Looks like now I can go ahead and finally configure this with all my apps. Thanks helmi
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Good to hear that deepakr, Btw I imatrix what u status man? is it workin with u (the patch)? if u still hv a static noise issues, try to delete the shortcut on the BTManager and re-create the Audiogateway Shortcut.
hey helmi_c,
Good to hear that deepakr, Btw I imatrix what u status man? is it workin with u (the patch)? if u still hv a static noise issues, try to delete the shortcut on the BTManager and re-create the Audiogateway Shortcut
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yep still have the static noise, will try your method later.
been bz this few days, i did not test much. I will play around with it tomorrow.
thanks.
imatrix
Thanks Helmi, great job!
A2DP works nicely, but now i get the same opposite as compared to microsoft stack. my A2DP is perfect whereas any calls that come in ring through the hedset, but i can't pick the calls up / talk through the bluetooth headset. weird uh?
Anyone hit the same problem?
I have no problems with static, just some slowdowns due to processor usage and i can't toggle the screen in WM or using display switch.
Great Job though!
edit:
maybe its because i'm connected as both headset and high quality audio? going to try connect as hands free and HQA.
edit 2:
can't for the life of me find out how to pair it in handsfree mode! Any pointers?
I wonder if anybody knows if it is possible to have two (or more) divices connected at onceon a Blue Angel?
eg. Tom Tom 6 plus a hands free connection.
I have tried every configuration I can think of, different ports ect, but to now avail.
With the gps connection up and running, as soon as you turn on the hands free , the gps connection link is lost, turn off hands free and it will resume connection.
I am using BA WM5 AKU3.5 R4 - xplode's excellent rom
In GPS settings
Program is using COM 5
Hardware is using COM 0
Manage GPS settings set to Auto
In Device settings,
BTGPS unit is on COM 0 (Serial box ticked)
Hands free is unassigned
Any help will be much appreciated.
any idea's anyone?
On Last Baniaczek's ROM I made an experiment just a moment ago: BlueAngel, Navigation system (Polish one, Automapa), plus GPS on Bluetooth and A2DP headset - first connected headphones, then added GPS (using automatic GPS connection - it's M$ Stack) - Everything seems to be working fine. I thought it was a bit unstable at first, but AD2P stops sending data, when there is no sound from the device.
GPS Settings are default: COM6 for applications and GPS has COM7 assigned on Hardware tab and in Bluetooth outgoing port. Quite seamless.
then I made the 2nd one: same headset connected in Handsfree mode: indeed turning on navigation made it connect and disconnect every few seconds.
For me it seems to be fault of M$ BT stack: it cannot hold 2 similar streams on BT (COM and Handsfree/Headset are both typical serial connections of highest priority in BT stream). At the same time it can cope easily with two different streams (A2DP is lower priority, high-bandwidth BT connection).
I'm not sure, but I think when I used old Helmi 1.3.2 with Widcomm stack it could cope with GPS and Handsfree at the same time, but it needs more testing.
jakubd is right it is limitation in MS BT Stack
Don't give up and it should start to work. I have similar problem with BT GPS and BT headset. GPS goes on and off while headset is on. And than I try to switch headset off and on, BT off and on, GPS off and on and after some time it start to work together with no problem. It takes first 10-15 minutes of my voyage but then it works for the remaining few hours.
Sorry, but I still didn't find out what combination make it work. If I do, I will post it here as workaround.
And I'm almost sure that I had no such problem with Helmi 1.4 ROM.
Thanks guys,
have tried every configuration I can think of, but its always the GPS connection that is dropped, not the hands free, this would not be a problem if it was just when you are answering a call.The GPS reconnects only when you disconnect the hands free connection. ?
Has anyone Successfully used the Widcomm stack with this type of setup?
I am sure alot of members would find this usefull if it can be made to work!
This is my experience:
ROM : Helmi_BA_WM2k5_AKU3.5_v1.4.CF2.R2 (baniaczek)
Tom Tom 6
GPS : Bluetooth
Headset : Nokia BH-300
When the headset is on and connected, the GPS doesn't work (TT say no GPS found). When I turn off the headset, the GPS is working.
With ActiveSync I have the same problem: when the headset is turned on, I can't establish a connection with the PC via bluetooth.
BUT!
If I use a different headset, a Logitech HS03, all is working fine. I can leave the headset on and the GPS is working. I can receive incoming calls with no problem (using the headset) while I'm driving without loosing GPS signal.
With ActiveSync is the same: I can connect my PC with the headset on.
I have no idea why there is this difference with these two headsets, but one is working and the other no. I don't know if the problem is the MS BT stack, but my test demonstrates that under some circumstances this stack could manage more than one connection at time.
bigmike said:
I don't know if the problem is the MS BT stack, but my test demonstrates that under some circumstances this stack could manage more than one connection at time.
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Bigmike, my point exactly. As I wrote in my post I keep turning on and off until finally it works. So there are some circumstances under coexistence is possible.
It seems that devices try to use same port which means that first device does not reserve port for itself. I am not an expert but it seems if we could somehow force devices to use different ports problem would be gone.
bigmike said:
If I use a different headset, a Logitech HS03, all is working fine. I can leave the headset on and the GPS is working. I can receive incoming calls with no problem (using the headset) while I'm driving without loosing GPS signal.
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If this works with one set and doesn't work with another, it might be connected to list of profiles supported by the headset:
1. Headset - HSP - more common, typical profile for use with cell phones (supports AT commands)
2. Handsfree - HFP - audio-centric, used mostly in cars, less common
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile
My SonyEricsson HBH-600 has both profiles (checked with services list on SonyEricsson phone), but I don't know how to select which profile is used by headset.
Just a thought...
sassa said:
Bigmike, my point exactly. As I wrote in my post I keep turning on and off until finally it works. So there are some circumstances under coexistence is possible.
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I hope you haven't misunderstand my previous post. I haven't in mind to minimize the value of your post (very useful is someone will try to investigate about this problem).
I was thinking that somebody, reading your contribute, could wrongly think: “you're are a lucky guy and turning on-off the headset repeatedly you crash some library and the two devices are working together”.
My intention was to remark the fact that under some circumstances the headset and the gps can connect together every time and always at first try: it's not lucky, crash or random events.
jakubd said:
If this works with one set and doesn't work with another, it might be connected to list of profiles supported by the headset
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I have a similar thought.
It seems to me that some times ago I have read that it should be possible to change some profile's parameters “playing” with the registry.... but I could be wrong...
bigmike said:
I hope you haven't misunderstand my previous post. I haven't in mind to minimize the value of your post (very useful is someone will try to investigate about this problem).
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No I have not, bigmike, just the opposite. I was delighted that somebody confirmed my point.
bigmike said:
My intention was to remark the fact that under some circumstances the headset and the gps can connect together every time and always at first try: it's not lucky, crash or random events.
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Couldn't agree more. And I think it's worth trying to resolve it.
Multiple BT connections - solution?
I think I find a solution for this, or maybe we can call it workaround. At least it works for me.
As I wrote in my previous posts, I could make it work every time just didn't know how. Now I established repetable procedure which worked every time for reasonable number of experiments.
Secret was to turn on BT headset (in my case Plantronics) and BT GPS device (Haicom 406-BT) and GPS program (iGo) first, and then go to Comm Manager and turn bluetooth on.
So my procedure is:
1. make sure that BT is off in Comm Manager
2. turn on BT headset
3. turn on GPS device
4. open iGo program
5. minimize iGo
6. turn on BT in Comm manager
7. open iGo and make sure it's connected
8. go to phone and call myself just to make sure it works
9. back to iGO and make sure it works
If 8 or 9 fails for the first time, just turn BT off and on again in Comm manager and check it again. I never need to do this more than twice.
Try this, guys, and good luck.
P.S. I don't know if it matters, but make sure that in Settings/Connections/GPS "GPS program port" and "GPS hardware port" is set to (None) and "Manage GPS automatically" unticked.
Very good! Many thanks Sassa!
I have tried for two times your procedure and both tries worked very well (with TomTom6 and Nokia BH-300)
I use a slightly different procedure:
1. BT off in Comm Manager
2. turn on BT headset
3. turn on GPS device
4. turn on BT in Comm manager
5. open TomTom 6 (wait some seconds and make sure it's connected)
6. go to phone and call myself (on the first call the headset is disconnected)
7. back to TomTom and make sure it works
I have noticed a different behavior of the BT headset having the BT always on (in Comm Manager) and using this procedure... but I need to make some tests before writing more.
I use my Diamond as an MP3 player way more than a phone. I also use a Sony Ericsson Bluetooth Headset HBH-DS970 all the time. But very often I'll be listening when boom! The sound stops for some unknown reason. Many times it's a brief second or two and it starts again. Other times I reach into my pocket and hit the power button and poof, it starts again. Annoyed I put it back in my pocket.
Then sometimes it doesn't come back to life. Of course, I'm driving at the time and have to fiddle with the phone and drive, which is very dangerous.
Very often the bluetooth just drops. I have to go in, hit the power button, slide to unlock, Start: Settings: Connections: Bluetooth: Mode and I see the Turn on Bluetooth and Make this device visible to other devices toggled off even though I can see the little Bluetooth icon in the title bar is still on! I toggle on these and hit OK. Often I need to power off and back on my HBH-DS970 to re-establish the Bluetooth connection. Now the HTC Touch Diamond does not play a sound when the bluetooth establishes itself like my old PPC-6700 so I just guess and hit play on the HBH-DS970. Sometimes the I have the Wireless stereo portion working but the AVRCP is not working so play on the HBH-DS970 doesn't work and I have to hit play on the HTC Touch Diamond (Sprint Music). Later I'll find that Wireless stereo is working but Hands Free is disabled.
So why does this happen? Why does the Bluetooth drop at all? Is there any better Bluetooth stacks that have less bugs that I can install. I recall tell about something like a Widecom Bluetooth stack or whatever. Is that any better?
Recently I purchased a Motorola Rokr unit which is a unit for your car that receives a Bluetooth signal and rebroadcasts it to FM for your car stereo. It works great but the having to transfer Bluetooth pairing from my headset to the Rokr when I get in the car never goes smoothly. I have to remember to pause the program, stop the Bluetooth going to the headset, turn on the Rokr, it attempts to connect to the phone and it cannot if the phone is talking to the headset via Bluetooth. Why's that an issue? Why can't the Bluetooth talk to more than one device at the same time?!? I mean what if I want the Bluetooth music or program to go to two headsets simultaneously or to the headset and the Rokr? Shouldn't that be my choice.
Next I need to tell the Rokr to transmit on FM and establish that connection. Then I try to hit the pause/play button on the Rokr and often again, the Wireless is paired up to the Rokr but the Hands Free isn't. Get out the phone, power button, slide to unlock, Start: Settings: etc. etc. - what a pain.
Then I'll be driving and listening and life is good when suddenly again, the connection drops. The Rokr cutely has a female voice that comes on through the radio saying "Connection dropped". Yeah I know - and I'm not impressed!
Repeat procedure in reverse when leaving the car transferring the Bluetooth signal from the Rokr -> HBH-DS970.
LIFE SHOULD NOT BE THIS DIFFICULT!!!
So I ask:
. Is there a better, more reliable Bluetooth stack I can install?
. If not, are there some registry settings that I can tweak to make Bluetooth more reliable? I have used the Advanced Configuration tool and saw some settings about Bluetooth sound quality but I don't know if upping th quality had lessoned the reliability...
. What are some of the reasons that a Bluetooth connection will drop? I mean it's not like I've walked outside of its broadcast range - hell I'm still in the car!
. Finally, is there anything I can do to lesson the amount of short micro drops of 1/2 - 1 second? It's a little annoying when you're grooving to a tune and that happens.
Thanks.
Try this for some answers http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432072
OT, can you record sound via BT headset's microphone? Not being able to do that annoys me much and still haven't got any answers from anybody.
I use the Bluetooth with phone calls. With Vito's Audio Notes I can record phone calls and hear both me and the caller in the recording - through the Bluetooth. I see Vito also has a "finger friendly" recorder but I'm not interested in that. However it seems clear the audio path from Bluetooth mic to recording can work.
Thanks for the pointer to that thread however the concern there is about Bluetooth quality not Bluetooth reliabiliy. Personally my Bluetooth quality is just fine - when the Bluetooth remains connected that is! I'm puzzled why you would have read my post and thought I wanted better Bluetooth quality?
I have been streaming audio since i got my HTC Wizard - 2 phones ago..
Back then, i was running WM5 and it had notoriously bad BT stack (really bad quality of A2DP audio). No tweak could eliminate the horrible high-pitched noise.
Fed up with the terrible sound, i tried the Widcomm stack.
This dramatically improved audio quality, but the Widcomm stack had other problems; i was not able to use any of my other BT devices. (back then i had a seperate GPS device and a Jabra wireless earpiece).
Eventually i managed to have both BT stacks installed, so i could choose which stack to start, depending on what i was going to use.
However, this was still far from perfect, because i wanted to be able to use my earpiece, use Tom Tom and listen to music at the same time (in my car).
The solution came (for me) with WM6, it had a really improved BT stack, the A2DP audio sounded much better.
For other applications the Microsoft stack worked well from the beginning.
When i just started using WM6 it did need some (registry) tweaking to overcome the problem of the "skipping" that sometimes occurred (those skips were not due to disconnection problems, it was just a matter of figuring out the highest bitrate the device could handle! (=>higher bitrate = better sound, more bandwidth, higher chance of music "skipping", =>lower bitrate = more stabile connection (less "skips", at the price of lowering the audio quality)).
Since my last phone (HTC touch) i did not even need to apply that tweak anymore, standard settings worked fine for me (acceptible audio quality, no 'skipping' problem).
Today i have a HTC Diamond, and i use a MBR-100 to stream audio to, i hook this device up to my car stereo (in fact, i have two, so i never run out of battery power).
I use my Jabra earpiece simultaneously.
I have no complaints whatsoever.
So to answer some of your questions, based on my own findings :
- The WM6 BT stack is capable of handling multiple connections at the same time (in my case, A2DP, remote GPS and Jabra earpiece)
- I never had a disconnect from my MBR-100 (which is also from sony Ericsson) without reason.
- I recently discovered,i can activate A2DP just by pressing the button on the MBR-100. Before, i always activated the connection by going to => settings=> Bluetooth etc. Maybe you have a button that does that on your headset? If so, it will at least save you the trouble setting up the connection again on your Diamond...
Finally, i don't know which ROM you are using, but the one i'm running now is the one from the official HTC website, "_HTC Touch Diamond_QMR_RUU_Diamond_HTC_NLD_1.93.404.1_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe".
One more thing :
- It is not possible to stream A2DP to more than one device at the time.
However, i found a nice little program to switch the A2DP stream between paired BT devices in reach.
It can also toggle the sound (and mic) from a phone call between my earpiece and the internal speaker.
Maybe it is useful for you as well : LINK
Copy .exe to the phone and execute there (when you have a A2DP connection running).
PaWs said:
OT, can you record sound via BT headset's microphone? Not being able to do that annoys me much and still haven't got any answers from anybody.
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After toggling the sound by means of the program i mentioned in my previous post (This one) it definately records sound trough the earpiece (it's a Jabra BT350).
Thoroughly tested, 100% sure.
TheMusicMaster said:
I have been streaming audio since i got my HTC Wizard - 2 phones ago..
Back then, i was running WM5 and it had notoriously bad BT stack (really bad quality of A2DP audio). No tweak could eliminate the horrible high-pitched noise.
Fed up with the terrible sound, i tried the Widcomm stack.
This dramatically improved audio quality, but the Widcomm stack had other problems; i was not able to use any of my other BT devices. (back then i had a seperate GPS device and a Jabra wireless earpiece).
Eventually i managed to have both BT stacks installed, so i could choose which stack to start, depending on what i was going to use.
However, this was still far from perfect, because i wanted to be able to use my earpiece, use Tom Tom and listen to music at the same time (in my car).
The solution came (for me) with WM6, it had a really improved BT stack, the A2DP audio sounded much better.
For other applications the Microsoft stack worked well from the beginning.
When i just started using WM6 it did need some (registry) tweaking to overcome the problem of the "skipping" that sometimes occurred (those skips were not due to disconnection problems, it was just a matter of figuring out the highest bitrate the device could handle! (=>higher bitrate = better sound, more bandwidth, higher chance of music "skipping", =>lower bitrate = more stabile connection (less "skips", at the price of lowering the audio quality)).
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Would you happen to recall what those registry tweaks were? Based on your above comments I think the best I can do is to lower the bit rates and bandwidth. Honestly most of my listening is talk radio and much less music. Even so, I'm older and I can't tell as much about the lose of highs, etc...
I have toned down things in Advanced Configuration Tools - Bluetooth section hoping that this increases reliability.
What I don't understand is why is this apparently so hard to get right? I mean this is not rocket science here! It's merely a connection that is radio based? Can't people code the software correctly! Geeze!
Since my last phone (HTC touch) i did not even need to apply that tweak anymore, standard settings worked fine for me (acceptible audio quality, no 'skipping' problem).
Today i have a HTC Diamond, and i use a MBR-100 to stream audio to, i hook this device up to my car stereo (in fact, i have two, so i never run out of battery power).
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My car doesn't have an audio in, nor does it have Bluetooth (they're trying to sell you the OnStar crap).
I use my Jabra earpiece simultaneously.
I have no complaints whatsoever.
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I don't have any earpieces. I don't know why I need an earpiece to stick in one year and hear things in mono with one ear when I already have a stereo head set that does this in both ears.
So to answer some of your questions, based on my own findings :
- The WM6 BT stack is capable of handling multiple connections at the same time (in my case, A2DP, remote GPS and Jabra earpiece)
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Later on you correct yourself saying you can't do two A2DP's at the same time. That was specifically what I was asking about - a car A2DP and my headset A2DP (Or say two people with the same A2DP headsets, etc). I don't understand why this is limited. It seems artificial.
- I never had a disconnect from my MBR-100 (which is also from sony Ericsson) without reason.
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What would be a valid reason for disconnection?
- I recently discovered,i can activate A2DP just by pressing the button on the MBR-100. Before, i always activated the connection by going to => settings=> Bluetooth etc. Maybe you have a button that does that on your headset? If so, it will at least save you the trouble setting up the connection again on your Diamond...
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The Rokr has essentially 4 buttons. Power, FM selector, Call pickup and Pause/Play. There are also some combinations. The FM Selector is simply a button to push where the Rokr scans the stations and tells you which station to set your FM radio to. Power is for power, naturally. The Call pickup and Pause/Play are as their names suggest. Pause/Play pauses or plays the media player on the other end of the Bluetooth (through AVRCP) and Call pickup picks up an incoming call. Both of these buttons attempt to talk to the remote Bluetooth device if the connection is not currently established. However since most of the time the problem is that the Bluetooth dropped it's connection (necessitating having to go throught Start: Settings: Bluetooth: Mode: Turn Bluetooth on). Also, turning off the power and turning it back on causes it to try to pair up again, which sometimes work. However, if you currently have it broadcasting to your FM radio and your radio turned up, powering it off kills that connection causing loud static to come out of your radio until you power it back up and re-establish the FM broadcast portion.
I can see if I can screen capture my HTC Touch Diamond with the Bluetooth off in the Bluetooth settings but the Bluetooth indicator actually on in the title bar. Weird state! You should never be in that state with one part saying Bluetooth is on and the other saying Bluetooth is not on!
Finally, i don't know which ROM you are using, but the one i'm running now is the one from the official HTC website, "_HTC Touch Diamond_QMR_RUU_Diamond_HTC_NLD_1.93.404.1_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe".
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I'm using whatever came on my Sprint version of the HTC Touch Diamond.
Do you know of a Widcomm stack for the HTC Touch Diamond? How about a copy of the MS Bluetooth stack? I did turn down the bandwidth/bitrates and hopefully that'll make it more reliable. However it would be nice to have those Bluetooth stacks available to install and play with.
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One more thing :
- It is not possible to stream A2DP to more than one device at the time.
However, i found a nice little program to switch the A2DP stream between paired BT devices in reach.
It can also toggle the sound (and mic) from a phone call between my earpiece and the internal speaker.
Maybe it is useful for you as well : LINK
Copy .exe to the phone and execute there (when you have a A2DP connection running).
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I had seen this program before. Perhaps you can explain how it's supposed to work. Because whenever I run it it does nothing.
I have two HBH-DS970's. I pair them both up to the phone. I can play music but only through one of them. When I run the Bluetooth toggle thing it first plays in the current HBH-DS970 but pretty much out of phase (sounds tinny). If I run the BT Toggle again it briefly (for 1/2 a second) plays on the speaker phone then plays in the same HBH-DS970 but in phase (full bass). The toggle toggles between these two in phase/out of phase sounds with a brief blast on the speaker phone but only in one of the HBH-DS970.
If I power off the HBH-DS970 and establish Bluetooth connections with the other HBH-DS970 and I do the BT Toggle thing again the same thing happens with the second HBH-DS970. It does not transfer the BT from one HBH-DS970 to the other! I suspect it wouldn't transfer the BT from an HBH-DS970 to the Rokr either.
I don't get it! What's this BT Toggle for?
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Would you happen to recall what those registry tweaks were? Based on your above comments I think the best I can do is to lower the bit rates and bandwidth.
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You're correct. They are the same tweaks that are now provided in the advanced configuration tool. Back then, when i just had my Wizard i did not have this tool and i had to go into the registry to change the settings manually (they can be found under \HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings).
The most important one is BitPool, i use 58 for the quality of the audio, but since you mentioned you use it to talk radio and not so much listening to music you can set it to 30. You should not experience any buffering skips then.
Then you have MaxSupportedBitPool, which you can delete. I played with changing the settings here but no major effect.
Finally, there is UseJointStereo, to have stereo set it to 1. In the older WM6 BT stacks when set to 0, it would reduce the hissing noise but the audio would be mono.
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I don't have any earpieces. I don't know why I need an earpiece to stick in one year and hear things in mono with one ear when I already have a stereo head set that does this in both ears.
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I only use the earpiece to make calls while driving, not to listen to music..
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Later on you correct yourself saying you can't do two A2DP's at the same time. That was specifically what I was asking about - a car A2DP and my headset A2DP (Or say two people with the same A2DP headsets, etc). I don't understand why this is limited. It seems artificial.
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My MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP. That's why i'm able to use both at the same time. However, you can't use A2DP 2x simultaniously. I was just pointing out that the BT stack of WM6 is capable of using different profiles simultaniously. If your Rokr and your Sony headset use different profiles, you could have used the small BT toggle program to switch easily..
But even if they use different profiles, you can't use the audio output twice at the same time. You can only toggle to wich profile it redirects.
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What would be a valid reason for disconnection?
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The only thing i can think of, is when the two are too far apart from each other. I did not have any strange disconnects so i don't have the same experience.
You mentioned you are still running the original ROM, and if you have the time it is not a bad idea to upgrade it. I know that in the beginning of WM6 A2DP did not work as well as it does today (i had to tweak then, now it works well with default settings). Also because you mentioned your BT behaves irratically.
The process of upgrading is relatively easy and you will gain a performance boost as well.
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Do you know of a Widcomm stack for the HTC Touch Diamond? How about a copy of the MS Bluetooth stack? I did turn down the bandwidth/bitrates and hopefully that'll make it more reliable. However it would be nice to have those Bluetooth stacks available to install and play with.
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Since i had my Diamond i never had problems with BT so i didn't search for that. I did save some of the stacks i experimented with when i had my Wizard, but i dont know if they will work on te Diamond... If you can't find anything on this forum, let me know and i will post the cab's for you.
But again, i don't know if they will work on te Diamond!v
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I had seen this program before. Perhaps you can explain how it's supposed to work.
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I suspect it wouldn't transfer the BT from an HBH-DS970 to the Rokr either.
I don't get it! What's this BT Toggle for?
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The BT toggle app does nothing more than redirect the audio to the next available (connected) device. I use it switch to earpiece, when i answered the phone with the buttons on the Diamond (when i answer calls with the button on the earpiece, it does that automatically).
When listening to music, i can switch the audio between the earpiece and the car stereo.
So i figured, maybe you could use it in the same way, when you walk to the car enjoy the music trough your headset, and when you are in your car, click whatever button it is on your Rokr that activates the connection and simply click the icon to change the audio from your headset to the Rokr.
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After reading your story about your Rokr again, i begin to believe there is something wrong with the BT portion in your Diamond (connection dropping, having different icons say different things about BT state). Your Rokr wants to make the connection by pressing the button, and that is how easy it should be.
That's how it works for me. I would recommend upgrading to the latest ROM, i downloaded it from the official HTC website.
I mentioned the exact filename with version number a few posts ago.
That way, you will be sure that software (BT stack) is o.k., i can confirm that in my case it does what it is supposed to...
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I only use the earpiece to make calls while driving, not to listen to music..
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But my point is that the HBH-DS970 can do both. IOW while listening to music (or talk radio), if a call comes in then you simply hit the little call switch on the mic and the music stops and you answer the phone. Talk on the call and listen in both ears then hit the little call switch on the mic and wham you're back to your music or program material. It's really quite cool! When it works that is! Or, if you weren't listening to music and a call comes in simply put the earbuds in (they conveniently fall along the necklace of the HBH-DS970) and talk. IOW, given this, what would I need or want a mono earpiece that just answers calls when this will do both?
My MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP. That's why i'm able to use both at the same time. However, you can't use A2DP 2x simultaniously. I was just pointing out that the BT stack of WM6 is capable of using different profiles simultaniously. If your Rokr and your Sony headset use different profiles, you could have used the small BT toggle program to switch easily..
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Define "different profiles" in this context...
But even if they use different profiles, you can't use the audio output twice at the same time. You can only toggle to wich profile it redirects.
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That may be what the BT Toggle does and it may be that you cannot use two A2DP stereo outputs at the same time. What I'm asking is "Why not? Why this seemingly artificial limitation? Is is security concern? Did nobody think anybody might want to do this? Is it a hardware limitation? Is it a Bluetooth 2.x limitation?". It just seems silly to me to put a limitation like this for seemingly no particular reason. Ya know some people might want to actually share their music in like real time!
You mentioned you are still running the original ROM, and if you have the time it is not a bad idea to upgrade it. I know that in the beginning of WM6 A2DP did not work as well as it does today (i had to tweak then, now it works well with default settings). Also because you mentioned your BT behaves irratically.
The process of upgrading is relatively easy and you will gain a performance boost as well.
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I've done some ROM updates back with the old PPC-6700. Yes there were better but they also weren't supported. I'm with (crappy) Sprint but I think all carriers shy away from you burning in a new ROM on them. They only support you not touching anything like that. In fact, IIRC the original Sprint ROM for the PPC-6700 didn't even support stereo Bluetooth at all! It was only after installing the Widcomm stack that I was able to get stereo BT working!
And that's part of the scary part for me. Originally, the first BT stack I installed worked fairly well with MS Voice Command actually working and when a call came in while I was listening to music, it would properly pause the music, answer the phone then return to the music. But that lasted only a short time. For most of my 2 years with that phone the BT would not stop the music to answer the phone.
The current Sprint derived HTC Touch Diamond ROM works WRT the BT behaving properly for stuff like that. The only real problem I'm having is with the dropping of the connection. So if I go to a new ROM and that breaks... well I don't want that happening. Perhaps if you could point me to the original Sprint ROM so I can get back to where I'm currently at I would venture into newer ROMs.
But another thing that would make me go for the new ROMs is if I could get rid of the god awful Sprint Music Player (SMP or actually the HTC Audio Manager and its Today plugin)! This thing sucks! I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP! You end up having two audio streams playing at the same time and the pause button does not pause Pocket Player! If there's a ROM out there that removes the silly SMP then I'm all ears!
Since i had my Diamond i never had problems with BT so i didn't search for that. I did save some of the stacks i experimented with when i had my Wizard, but i dont know if they will work on te Diamond... If you can't find anything on this forum, let me know and i will post the cab's for you.
But again, i don't know if they will work on te Diamond!v
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I'm a little leary replacing the BT stack that's currently working pretty good (aside from the dropping problem) unless I can assure myself that I can re-install it if the new one doesn't work.
Oh and let me say MusicMaster, you've been very helpful so far. Thanks.
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The BT toggle app does nothing more than redirect the audio to the next available (connected) device. I use it switch to earpiece, when i answered the phone with the buttons on the Diamond (when i answer calls with the button on the earpiece, it does that automatically).
When listening to music, i can switch the audio between the earpiece and the car stereo.
So i figured, maybe you could use it in the same way, when you walk to the car enjoy the music trough your headset, and when you are in your car, click whatever button it is on your Rokr that activates the connection and simply click the icon to change the audio from your headset to the Rokr.
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I don't think this will work this way for me. From what I could see the Rokr will not pick up the BT from the HBH-DS970 until and unless I power off the HBH-DS970. Just like my second HBH-DS970 could not get the BT passed to it until the first HBH-DS970 was powered off. But I'll go and check this out...
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After reading your story about your Rokr again, i begin to believe there is something wrong with the BT portion in your Diamond (connection dropping, having different icons say different things about BT state). Your Rokr wants to make the connection by pressing the button, and that is how easy it should be.
That's how it works for me. I would recommend upgrading to the latest ROM, i downloaded it from the official HTC website.
I mentioned the exact filename with version number a few posts ago.
That way, you will be sure that software (BT stack) is o.k., i can confirm that in my case it does what it is supposed to...
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I think that perhaps your situation is different. You mentioned that your "MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP". Yet AFAICT my HBH-DS970 uses A2DP and the Rokr also uses A2DP. Both are attempting to receive stereo music.
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Define "different profiles" in this context...
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I meant, e.g. if your headset used HFP and your Rokr A2DP, they could be connected at the same time. Now i read in your post they both use A2DP so the whole toggling trough different profiles solution is off the table..
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What I'm asking is "Why not? Why this seemingly artificial limitation? Is is security concern? Did nobody think anybody might want to do this? Is it a hardware limitation? Is it a Bluetooth 2.x limitation?". It just seems silly to me to put a limitation like this for seemingly no particular reason. Ya know some people might want to actually share their music in like real time!
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I don't know the reason behind that (share music in real time would be awesome, though) but i can think of one technical limitation, and that is bandwith.
If you set the bitrate too high you wil experience skips. When i discovered the highest possible setting without skipping, i even had to set it a bit lower because i use my earpiece simultaniously. The music played without skips, but as soon as i would turn the earpiece on it would start skipping.
It is also impossible to stream audio and transfer data via PAN. Both the connections are o.k. but te A2DP stream would stop until the data is transferred.
So i assume there would not be enough bandwith to stream audio to multiple devices..
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But another thing that would make me go for the new ROMs is if I could get rid of the god awful Sprint Music Player (SMP or actually the HTC Audio Manager and its Today plugin)! This thing sucks! I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP! You end up having two audio streams playing at the same time and the pause button does not pause Pocket Player! If there's a ROM out there that removes the silly SMP then I'm all ears!
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Heh, i use Pocket Player as well Unfortunately i don't use AVRCP but i think that is a software issue. I've read somewhere else on this forum users having the same complaint. Did not see a solution there..
Question : is this sprint player integrated in TF3D? There is a tweak tool out there to remove tabs. I removed the music player tab.
The other solution would be to go for the updated ROM from HTC. I understand your worries concerning support after flashing but i have flashed every phone i had and had never any problems.. My (flashed) Wizard broke down once, and T-Mobile (my carrier then) repaired it without any cost..
I must say i don't know how Sprint handles these things (i live in Europe).
A good thing is it's a ROM upgrade from the official HTC website so i don't think you have to change SPL (which from what i heard, is the warranty-voiding process). But anyway the sprint player is NOT included..
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I'm a little leary replacing the BT stack that's currently working pretty good (aside from the dropping problem) unless I can assure myself that I can re-install it if the new one doesn't work.
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You can always perform a hard reset, the MS BT stack will be intact.. (maybe use Sprite backup before you install another stack, it works really well (i don't know if you have the program, it came with my Diamond))
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I think that perhaps your situation is different. You mentioned that your "MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP". Yet AFAICT my HBH-DS970 uses A2DP and the Rokr also uses A2DP. Both are attempting to receive stereo music.
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True, the idea of using the BT audio toggle is definately not going to work for you.
But, our situation has similarities! Like i mentioned, i use two MBR-100 devices. When one runs out of energy, i use the second one. They both use AD2P!
The process of changing the two is really simple, and i believe it should be as simple as that with your two A2DP devices.
This is how it goes wen i change the two :
- music is playing on my Diamond, sound goes to MBR100 #1.
- i power off MBR100 #1 (or it runs out of energy), A2DP connection closes, music keeps playing but now from the phone speaker.
- i power up MBR100 #2, press the button on it, it establishes A2DP connection and the music keeps playing, sound goes to MBR100 #2.
Simple as that, i don't even have to awake or touch the Diamond. Now i believe it should be possible that it is that easy for you too..
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I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP!
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I may have found something that can help with the AVRCP problem..
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Unfortunately i can't test it but it looks promising..
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I may have found something that can help with the AVRCP problem..
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Unfortunately i can't test it but it looks promising..
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This doesn't work. The "plugin" sounds like the plugin that even Conduit already offers for older versions of Pocket Player. And the new version of Pocket Player has this already built in. The problem is it's ineffective as something in the HTC implementation is usurping the AVRCP thing. See Bluetooth in 3.7 on Conduit's forum and AVRCP not working in PocketMusic and PocketPlayer ! here in this forum.
It may be that disabling the Sprint Music Player (really HTC Audio Manager) tab and guts will solve the problem and that may be in the HTC original ROM. I don't think you gave a direct pointer but I will research this later tonight.
Pointers to how to do a hard reset on the HTC Touch Diamond such that I can get back to the original ROM from Sprint would be appreciated (I seem to recall if you burn a ROM onto the phone then a hard reset goes off of that burned ROM not the original ROM. And no I have no backup product).
This is the link to the thread where you can download the TF3D Config program to remove the music tab.
You can perform a hard reset by pressing the vol-down key and enter button simultaniously (then power up), but you can only use this to restore the current ROM you are running to its initial state.
So you are right, you can use a hard reset to restore your Diamond to factory settings now (might be useful if you just want to experiment with other BT stacks and end up with the original BT stack not working), but if you flash your phone you can't go back to its original state unless you have that factory ROM.
But, since the ROM i mentioned comes from the official HTC site, i guess when it comes to support if you ever need it, you can always put on your innocent face and say "was i not supposed to do that?"
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This is the link to the thread where you can download the TF3D Config program to remove the music tab.
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Yes, except http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2852736 (page 101 post by scottsimon1979) states:
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I am unable to get this running on my Sprint Touch Pro. I get a message saying An unexpected error has occurred in Diamond TF3D Config.exe.
When I go to details, this is what I get:
Diamond TF3D Config.exe
NullReferenceException
at f.m()
at Diamond_TF3D_Config.frmMain.v()
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad()
at System.Windows.Forms.Form._SetVisibleNotify()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.set_Visible()
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run()
at a.a()
Any ideas?
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To which another guy said he's having problems and if you look even further down that thread I said "Me 3!". So TF3D Config does not work for us unfortunate Sprint HTC Touch Diamond owners...
You can perform a hard reset by pressing the vol-down key and enter button simultaniously (then power up), but you can only use this to restore the current ROM you are running to its initial state.
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Forgive me but no button is labeled "enter". Which one is the "enter" button?
So you are right, you can use a hard reset to restore your Diamond to factory settings now (might be useful if you just want to experiment with other BT stacks and end up with the original BT stack not working), but if you flash your phone you can't go back to its original state unless you have that factory ROM.
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Yes, hence my request for the Original Sprint Factory ROM...
But, since the ROM i mentioned comes from the official HTC site, i guess when it comes to support if you ever need it, you can always put on your innocent face and say "was i not supposed to do that?"
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You're in Europe aren't you? Things are different here in the States. Sprint doesn't take to kindly to you saying "was I not supposed to do that?". Their answer would be "of course you can't do that - your warantee is now void".
It's clear to me that the HTC phone and the Sprint branded phone are not one in the same. For one the back is different. Two, it's branded with the Sprint logo all over it! 3, it has the "Sprint Music Store", something I highly doubt a European HTC Touch Diamond would have. Forth, there is no radio! None, nada, caput! I downloaded the Radio cab and installed it - even hooked up the wired headset since it needs that for an antennae - nada. I also saw postings that Sprint's phone doesn't do radio. Now I could complain to Sprint saying the HTC site boasted of an FM radio to which I'm sure Sprint will merely say "Well that's HTC. We are not HTC. Our site and our advertising never said anything about an FM Radio". Additionally the time on the home page is different. Finally, tools such as TF3D Config tool just bombs out as noted above. No, to me it's clear the Sprint phone is not the same as the HTC Touch Diamond from HTC itself.
It's not like I haven't been downloading and installing things that obviously Sprint wouldn't like. I got things like a Transparent Clock, Remove [Sprint] Logo, Flip Clock and Advanced Config and TF3D Config. I even played with downloading the HTC Audio Manager and the HTC Audio Manager Today Plugin. All of these things were cab files that I could easily, and relatively safely install, try and uninstall should it not work correctly. I'd love to "install a new Bluetooth stack" if that were doable. But burning a whole new ROM and permanently severing any hope of "support" from Sprint - voiding the warantee... Well I guess I'm not exactly there yet but you're right - I'll probably have to end up doing that.
Still it would be nice if I could get the original Sprint ROM and the HTC ROM and play around with at least a little hope of being able to go back.
Oh, and BTW, aside from the "Volume Down and Enter while powering up" thing, I recall having some .exe that I ran on my PC that did the burning of the ROM to the phone. IIRC there was some other sequence to get it to receive the ROM. Ah yes I documented this on my blog:
Once you have a ROM you run the installation process. First you need to get your phone in "Bootloader" mode. This means, on my phone, that you hold down the power and voice record buttons at the same time while you perform a soft reset. Now here's the tricky part: The screen appears to be black but if you look really carefully you'll notice it says "Serial". You'll probably have to look at it in the light and move the phone from side to side. Why the secretly displayed with no backlight screen is beyond me.
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What's that sequence for the HTC Touch Diamond? And do these ROMs then install to this phone in "bootloader" mode?
O.k., i didn't realize your Diamond was different from mine. I figured, if we both have the same hard and software, and it works here, it has to work for you too.. When i was with T-Mobile, i got a branded HTC Touch, but this branding was nothing else then they put their T-Mobile logo on the device, and they modified WM6 so that everything has pink icons (no wonder i flashed it whitin a week ).
But the hardware was identical to original HTC devices.
I recently moved to a less urban part of the country, where there is no T-Mobile reception so i had to switch carrier, and when i switched i got the Diamond. This new carrier was Telfort, and they didn't even brand or lock the device. The only reason i upgraded the software is because i read the performance would be better (and it is )
So i see now, your situation is really different..
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Forgive me but no button is labeled "enter". Which one is the "enter" button?
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It's the round button in the middle. But you can also go to => settings => system and click "clear storage".
defaria said:
But burning a whole new ROM and permanently severing any hope of "support" from Sprint - voiding the warantee... Well I guess I'm not exactly there yet but you're right - I'll probably have to end up doing that.
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One thing you can do before you decide to flash is see at HTC's website if there is an update for your device.
Before you can download the ROM, you have to fill in the serial number from your Diamond. Then you will know if they even have an update for your device.
When you fill in the serial number you will automatically get the right update. I even got the update in my own language (i'm dutch).
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Still it would be nice if I could get the original Sprint ROM and the HTC ROM and play around with at least a little hope of being able to go back.
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I'll keep my eyes open.., if i ever see this ROM i'll pm you.
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Oh, and BTW, aside from the "Volume Down and Enter while powering up" thing, I recall having some .exe that I ran on my PC that did the burning of the ROM to the phone. IIRC there was some other sequence to get it to receive the ROM. Ah yes I documented this on my blog:
What's that sequence for the HTC Touch Diamond? And do these ROMs then install to this phone in "bootloader" mode?
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No, it's actually quite easy. It is an .exe you run from your desktop when activesync is connected. Click "next" a couple of times, wait +/- 7 mins until the progress bar reaches 100% and you're done... Nice website btw. I see you play the guitar as well
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But the hardware was identical to original HTC devices.
I'll probably end up just flashing to the HTC ROM. Hell most of my updates so far have been to get it to be more HTC-like as they did a nice job (and Sprint has screwed it up). I just need to get some extra spare time if you know how that is....
This new carrier was Telfort, and they didn't even brand or lock the device.
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Sigh. Someday the cell phone industry in the US will wake up and stop with this stupid branding, tickering and locking people in! Cell phone companies! It's easy - just provide good service and you're have customers coming out of your ass! But I digress (and rant!)
Nice website btw. I see you play the guitar as well
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Thanks. Haven't played guitar in years now. Music's not what it used to be (i.e. respected) or at least not here in the US. Again, different market...
Oh, another thing, BT related. It's been frustrating but lately when I get a call I cannot answer it with the BT headset! Looking at the phone and trying Menu: Turn Hands Free On is grayed out! Quite honestly I'm no longer used to having to hold a phone up to my ear! It's damn inconvenient! Just this weekend my sister called and I was outside detailing my car a bit listening to a radio show. I go to answer the phone and it drops the BT connection! So I'm talking to her and I cannot continue my work - my car will have to wait. So I go back inside and turn on the speaker phone to listen and talk while I fiddle with the Bluetooth settings attempting to get the damn Turn Hands Free On thing to work. I turn off BT on the phone. I turn of the BT headset I have. I turn them both one - nada. I go into Settings: Bluetooth: Device and Refresh to see if the Hands Free got toggled off. Nope. I delete the device and re-add/re-pair it. Nothing. Nothing I did would get it so that I could switch to using my BT headset so I could get back to doing my car. What causes Turn Hands Free On to gray out when BT is on and the device has Hands Free toggled on? I mean shouldn't that mean that I can use Hands Free from that device? BTW, of course, a soft reset of the phone fixes the problem but by then it's too late! It's damn frustrating. And god damn it, I ask you, how hard is it to get BT working correctly?!?
Now when I get a phone call my music stops, the BT disconnects and the phone starts ringing on the speaker. I answer it and the screen goes blank and the speaker phone kicks in. Damn this is convenient! This is exactly what I want my phone to do! It anticipates my every need! NOT!!!
(Now I know somewhere there was some setting to turn off the screen when the phone picks up but I can't find it anymore. And the dropping of the BT and instead automatically going to the speaker phone - so everybody else can hear - is just unacceptable! Really, this should not be this hard! Designers of phones and their UI's - WAKE UP! Geeze!).
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OK, I'm fed up. I'd say that just today alone I had to turn on Bluetooth after it turning itself off like 15 times today. Just going to the grocery store whenever I hit the pause button then attempted to resume playback, BT was lost - 3 times on the less than 1/2 mile drive back to my house! The HTC ROM and no support from Sprint can't be any worse!!!
I will need to spend some time getting the ROM and then preparing properly to take this step. Usually I'd do this on the weekend but my daughter's in town for the weekend so it might be the week after. I've heard about the HTC Original ROM but are there any better ones? Remember, BT reliability is high on my list. And if I can find a ROM that allows me to remove - completely gut - the HTC Audio Manager tab so that Pocket Player can have a chance at AVRCP then I'm all ears!!!
I promise to write a full report on my experiences, hopefully documenting the problems I currently have and the hopeful solutions the new ROM will give - or just the new set of problems which is probably more likely...
This has almost gotten me to the point of writing my own Bluetooth stack though something tells me that the reason it works so badly now is probably because the Bluetooth specification is overly complicated and not very well defined...
And thanks everyone for listening to my ranting and not coming down too hard on me. I'm frustrated and sometimes vent. Thanks for understanding...
Hi All,
I just got a Jabra SP700 after pairing it with my Kaiser everything works fine ( making a call, receiving a call, Playing music through FM radio and TT navi. through the radio). The problem is when I disconnect the devices and turn them both on they will reconnect automatically but I can't hear anything through the SP700 ( FM Radio ). I will have to delete the device from the phone and pair it again in order to make it work.
Is there a better software for managing the bluetooth connections?
Open to any suggestions.
Thanks.
Edris said:
Hi All,
I just got a Jabra SP700 after pairing it with my Kaiser everything works fine ( making a call, receiving a call, Playing music through FM radio and TT navi. through the radio). The problem is when I disconnect the devices and turn them both on they will reconnect automatically but I can't hear anything through the SP700 ( FM Radio ). I will have to delete the device from the phone and pair it again in order to make it work.
Is there a better software for managing the bluetooth connections?
Open to any suggestions.
Thanks.
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I have the same problem with my SP700 and my Tritton BT stereo headset.Phone calls work almost all the time through the SP700 speaker, but playing music or through the FM radio seems to be a problem. I can get them to pair up sometimes by only checking the Wireless Stereo box. It works for a few times, but then I have to delete and re-pair again.
I've searched for all over for answers, but nothing seems to be a permanent fix. It's very frustrating to use my devices for anything else but phone calls.
Just to add a bit of info, I do not have any problems with my old Motorola HS820. Of course, I'm not using SP700.
Hope that helps your troubleshooting.
I have exactly the same problem with hte SP700 connecting to a Touch HD.
I notice there is a software upgrade for the SP700 on the Jabra site but I can't get to apply it because I lack a driver to allow the PC to recognise the JAbra SP 700.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mal
Possible solution
Hi
I have had similar problems with the SP700. I was using the Hyperdragon III before the current ROM (in signature). With my old ROM I found that the following method worked:
1) Turn on the SP700
2) Wait for it to make one low tone
3) Turn bluetooth onto discoverable mode on the phone
4) The device then automatically connects over both Hands Free and Wireless Stereo protocols
5) Turn discoverable off
Now that I have the Hyperdragon IV ROM I notice slightly different behaviour:
1) Turn on the SP700
2) Wait for it to make one low tone
3) Turn bluetooth onto discoverable on the phone
4) The device then automatically connects over hands free protocol
5) Go into bluetooth settings on the phone then the devices tab and manually connect by selecting "Set as Wireless Stereo" from the pop up context menu- this connects over the wireless stereo protocol
6) Turn discoverable off
One thing I do find very annoying about the SP700 is that it disconnects from the Wireless Stereo protocol after a phone call is ended. When this happens I have to manually re-connect it by pushing the button on the SP700 until it peeps.
I too would value a software upgrade for the SP700. I just get the feeling that it has somehow shipped with a beta or incomplete firmware. If anybody knows how to do the firmware upgrade please share this.
Thanks
andrew-in-woking
Found a solution that works for me!
First of all thanks guys for the suggestions !
I think SP700 works fine ( GREAT! ) but the issue is with the A2DP. I found out that A2DP turns on the first time after pairing the devices but it does not turn off. So the next time you pair the devices it is turned on and won't accept the new connection. So what I tried to do was after connecting I turned off A2DP and turned it back on and it works fine.
Suggestion
Search for A2DP Toggle, install it and after pairing the devices if it doesn't work just turn A2DP off and back on.
I assigned the 6th hardware button on my Kaiser (PTT Button) to A2DP Toggle that way I can have access to it all the time.
Works great.
Edris said:
Found a solution that works for me!
First of all thanks guys for the suggestions !
I think SP700 works fine ( GREAT! ) but the issue is with the A2DP. I found out that A2DP turns on the first time after pairing the devices but it does not turn off. So the next time you pair the devices it is turned on and won't accept the new connection. So what I tried to do was after connecting I turned off A2DP and turned it back on and it works fine.
Suggestion
Search for A2DP Toggle, install it and after pairing the devices if it doesn't work just turn A2DP off and back on.
I assigned the 6th hardware button on my Kaiser (PTT Button) to A2DP Toggle that way I can have access to it all the time.
Works great.
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Thanks! Nice App! Tried it with my Tritton BT stereo headset and it works! Had to install to my device instead of Storage card, then had to delete and re-pair, but it so far I can toggle between on and off Stereo Headphones without any problem. Will try on my SP700 shortly.
I attached the Cab if anyone else wants it.
Thank you!
Works with SP 700!!!!!
Mal Bridgeman said:
I have exactly the same problem with hte SP700 connecting to a Touch HD.
I notice there is a software upgrade for the SP700 on the Jabra site but I can't get to apply it because I lack a driver to allow the PC to recognise the JAbra SP 700.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mal
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When the software loads, follow the instructions, do not install with any of the microsoft wizards that pop up, it will install itself. I couldn't find anything that lists what changes that were made.
SP700 Firmware
FYI,
I too had the same issues and downloaded the sp700 firmware update. I thought the same thing about the drivers, but called Jabra and they told me the firmware update has the drivers embedded in it. When you start the install you cannot plug it in till it tells you to. After you plug it in it installs the drivers. But BEWARE I have not been able to complete the upgrade, it stopped halfway and bricked. I called support and they said there is nothing to do, but luckily I bought it from Costco and they returned it. So being not so bright I tried it again but on a different computer (thinking that there might be a conflict) and it didn't even load and bricked it again. So I returned it yet again. So then I gave up on Jabra support and found A2DP toggle. It works good enough, so I am leaving it at that....
Take Care
David
Tilt WM6.1
andrew-in-woking said:
Hi
I have had similar problems with the SP700. I was using the Hyperdragon III before the current ROM (in signature). With my old ROM I found that the following method worked:
1) Turn on the SP700
2) Wait for it to make one low tone
3) Turn bluetooth onto discoverable mode on the phone
4) The device then automatically connects over both Hands Free and Wireless Stereo protocols
5) Turn discoverable off
Now that I have the Hyperdragon IV ROM I notice slightly different behaviour:
1) Turn on the SP700
2) Wait for it to make one low tone
3) Turn bluetooth onto discoverable on the phone
4) The device then automatically connects over hands free protocol
5) Go into bluetooth settings on the phone then the devices tab and manually connect by selecting "Set as Wireless Stereo" from the pop up context menu- this connects over the wireless stereo protocol
6) Turn discoverable off
One thing I do find very annoying about the SP700 is that it disconnects from the Wireless Stereo protocol after a phone call is ended. When this happens I have to manually re-connect it by pushing the button on the SP700 until it peeps.
I too would value a software upgrade for the SP700. I just get the feeling that it has somehow shipped with a beta or incomplete firmware. If anybody knows how to do the firmware upgrade please share this.
Thanks
andrew-in-woking
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I have the exact problem that you are having with the new, Hyperdragon IV, ROM.
Is this A2DP Toggle really the only way - I mean what's the difference between pressing a button on my Kaiser to reconnect and pressing the button on the SP700 ??
I have tried using Mortscript as shown http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382172&highlight=a2dp&page=2 Although I edited the end out because it kills the player after ending a call. This hasn't helped either
I am off to see if the same problems occur with my lady's N96. If not and no good solution can be found for this I may have got her a new present.
Aren't I nice ?!
Found another possible solution, it,s called zoA2DP. So far it works flawlessly between my SP700 & stereo headset without having to toggle anything or change any settings. When you install it, delete your original pairings and add them again, make sure that hands free & wireless stereo are checked in advanced options on you BT settings. I believe this is a registry mod, there are no icons or any noticeable applications running in the backround.
The thread is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279127
Cab file attached
Your bluetooth disconect when you use your handsfree in your car????
Then try this software: JETware Hands-Free Extension 1.31.
I have four days without disconect.
(sorry for my english).
UPDATE 27-07-2009:
Versions of JETWARE:
1.11 (ShareWare)
1.20 (ShareWare)
1.31 (ShareWare)
1.31.178 (ShareWare)
1.40 (FreeWare??)
the good: The program solutions the disconnects of the bluetooth
the bad: BUT, in my handsfree (Saab 9-3 2008), i can make a call but i cant cut a call (i must to cut the call in the phone)
and if i uninstall i lose mi contacts in the car.
It is not perfect.
Hopefully this works mate.
Gonna try now & report back later
Cheers
Hopefully this works mate.
Gonna try now & report back later
Cheers
This Works so far. Gonna keep on trying & report back shortly. Will post another thread if it continues to be successful as this needs to be seen !
Just right.
This Works.
(sorry for my english again).
Great find hcorreo. This DOES work !
Been testing for a week now and i have had ZERO disconnections.
Thankyou so much mate
How exactly does this work?
Thats the work of 6 month looking for.
Thank you.
Screen won't stay off
I loaded the extension but now my backlight won't stay off. Is there a registry fix for this? Otherwise, it looks like a great BT extension.
Problem of the light:
I have the same problem with the version 1.31.178.1.
Try with the version 1.31.
Could this issue be fixed without having to buy a third party application?
Iam using my X1 with my builtin BT handfree in my Volvo and the problems just keeps coming.
The BT logo newer disappers like ive read about in other threads but the car and the phone seems to have massive communitcation trouble. Adressbook sync like it should but when i try to call from the car, it takes about 30sec until the phone reacts. Same goes for answering. When i press my answer button it takes about 30sec again for the phone to swallow that command. Sometimes it works, but then after 20sec the car reports that it lost its connection and if iam lucky, the connection is restored automaticly by the car.
The strange thing is that ive moved from my HTC Tytn to this phone, and the HTC never had any kind of trouble. I was running WM6 on the Tytn. Could it be WM6.1 that causes the trouble or is it the hardware in the phone?
Updated first post with info of versions and more info.
flashed to EnergyRom WM6.5 and disconnect is gone too
Used to disconnect randomly after 50-80second on my car's bluetooth
I have another problem, my bluetooth headset(SE HBH DS-205) disconnecting when i use WiFI
Jet Ware is good for the bluetooth desconexion.
Someone have a idea about how can i hang a call with the JetWare installed?
Thats the only thing to be perfect...