Hi,
I read here http://linwizard.sourceforge.net there is a Linux on HTC Wizard...Does anybody now how to install linux into the Wizard?
thx
dont think its been released yet...
Linux On Wizard :d
I hope it release's soon I'm gonna like Linux on a wizard
Me too, I like linux so much on my server.....So come on and release it!
I'd even like to have Linux on my PocketPC. But I'm not one of those guys who install Linux on a PDA and say when something cracks: "Whoops! Next please!"
Has someone a clou if there some day will/could be a Linux for PPC that is to be booted like with loadlin on win95/98? Or is that impossible due to the kernel technology of WM?
Anticro said:
Has someone a clou if there some day will/could be a Linux for PPC that is to be booted like with loadlin on win95/98?
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http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
Or is that impossible due to the kernel technology of WM?
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Yes, it is a very advanced brainwashing technology used in WM
when it comes to security
But it reads as it was possible with HaRET. Thanks for the answer, it's very interesting. I hope there will come complete Linux distris using those bootloaders... ...n00b-ready! (no Linux n00b, but PDA-hacking n00b)
Anticro said:
But it reads as it was possible with HaRET.
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HaRET is the only booting tool used by non-wizards on wince.
I hope there will come complete Linux distris using those bootloaders... ...n00b-ready!
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There are many, but not for the omap-based phones.
Check HTC Universal, Blueangel and Magician.
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus
and developers are not sleeping under the coconut trees
http://purl.rikers.org/#htc-linux/
I wonder if dual boot is possilbe
For the benefit of anyone wanting to try a nice well supported PC Linux distro try...
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Remember 99.9% of software is free, and this one comes as a live disk - so you can shove it in your optical drive and see how it runs without even having to install it or damage your current O/S.
Or running a few fewer programs but more efficient so can kick an older PC back into something useful try...
http://www.xubuntu.com/
Linux
Got some reply's
1. LINUX DOES NOT CRASH,, when some crashy things happens, linux 'repairs' te program immediately and does not comes with;
'programs hangs, please shutdown' warning .
2. DUAL BOOT ?? :S How do you wanna do that with so less memory..?
Dual Boot, please not, and hell no with WM6, or Linux ( ), or WM mad: ).
I hope it release's soon
REACTION
I mean LINUX, is nice.. And ubuntu is the most user friendly @the moment. But if you want more, you'd better go for Fedora Core 7. iTs also free.
I use my Ubuntu, for fun and server. I run FTP server. Wich i never use .
But, i like the environment, and i have Beryl on it. Works fine on my Pentium 4 PC.. Custom build..
Hey, the thread is Linux on PDA and not Linux on PCs.
By the way: Have you guys ever heard of SuSE? What is better than SuSE Linux? Only MacOS X!
Stupid ..
Hi, i am pleased to tell that LinWizard is done..
All for a long time If u'll check linwizard.sourgeforce.net, you'll see some message's.. The last message was in October 2006. There is a link to another page, wich is http://sourceforge.net/projects/linwizard.
Succes with the Flashing, i havn't tried it jet..
I have only looked for some Tcl-packages, but guess what I have found on the evolane-website?! A Linux Bootloader for iPAQ. It reads like it works in a similar way as loadlin does.
http://www.evolane.com/software/iboce/index.html
mazterjay said:
Hi, i am pleased to tell that LinWizard is done..
All for a long time If u'll check linwizard.sourgeforce.net, you'll see some message's.. The last message was in October 2006. There is a link to another page, wich is http://sourceforge.net/projects/linwizard.
Succes with the Flashing, i havn't tried it jet..
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meheheh so if it is done(in 2006) why theres nO BIG BOOOM till now?
It's not finished - barely anything works.
Hey has anyone noticed the work going on in the linwizard project? If not then you should be happy to know that development has been going on at an accelerated pace last i checked they got the touch screen working and according to the status updates it seems they have the drivers for infrared bluetooth and i think for wifi & audio also
http://linwizard.wiki.sourceforge.net/Status
Check it out soon it seems we will finally get our long awaited chance for running linux on our wizards!
Cheers to the developers who will make it happen.
The simple answer is Android. From what I've read, it is a shell OS sitting on a Linux base. Because of this, the underlying drivers will have to be Linux-based.
I understand that Android will be using an Apache license so that they don't have to publish or provide drivers back to the Linux community, but when said drivers are written, there'll be no stopping some enterprising individual or group from reverse engineering, and making public OSS and drivers for these devices.
Much has been made of HTC's abysmal lack of hardware drivers in their newer phones/PDA's. Their motivation for this is simple:
They are looking to bust out as a HUGE player in the new Android devices, and don't want to lay the foundation for MS to still be a player in that race, so they are "Dumbing down" what they have now in order to exaggerate the positives of Android over Window Mobile.
As usual, we bear the brunt of their schemes.
p.s. I'm not anti-corporation, anti-business, or anti-capitalist. But, just like you, I get frustrated by people who forget that customers are not just inconveniences, but instead are the very foundation upon which EVERY business is built. They forget this at their own peril.
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Hi Just a quick query ------ any ideas if there is a beta nix for trinity in the pipline soon or do we just put that aside and come idea to see how it all is in 12 months
no info???????? no pulse?
Just might be helpful as an general update for myself and the others who desperatly await a decent operating system for their Trinity.......
Thanks all
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux
when there is news that page would prob be the place it would be shown
looks like they need people maybe it could be you?
can't program can test
well i can't program but I would test it till the cows come home ------ I will wait
Cheers for the funny signature ---- I also come from a long line of jedi's ----- jedi taxi drivers
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Hi Just a quick query ------ any ideas if there is a beta nix for trinity in the pipline soon or do we just put that aside and come idea to see how it all is in 12 months
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I started working on a linux port for trinity. I nearly got the kernel running but there was some problems with the uart driver (if I remember correctly) that prevented it from loading completely.
I had to stop working on it due to lack of sparetime to use on this project.
I will weep uncontrollably
That hurts more than you will ever know
but I will let anyone know that any effort that is spent towards this is appreciated and time very well spent... I'm sure your work wasn't in vain
cheers
Needing linux, feeling WM6 is limiting
check out news on ubuntu mobile - they are hoping to release a distrib later this year working on as many smartphones as possible
kimusan said:
I started working on a linux port for trinity. I nearly got the kernel running but there was some problems with the uart driver (if I remember correctly) that prevented it from loading completely.
I had to stop working on it due to lack of sparetime to use on this project.
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Hi,
Your work is quite intersting !
Would it be possible you publish the kernel version, the patches and the .config you used in the wiki ?
Thanks ^^
I've checkedout the linux kernel sources and installed the ARM toolchain from handhelds.org.
The kernel compile fines:
Code:
make htctrinity_defconfig
make
After copying the zImage file created, I tryed to launch it with Haret (also recompiled from latest sources). Since the Trinity seems to be not supported "out of the box", I had to set set the RAM start address and the mahchine type:
Code:
set RAMADDR 0xa0000000
set MTYPE 0x000004C9
set KERNEL zImage
bootlinux
The result is the screen gets black as soon as Haret jumps to the kernel... (see attached Haret's log).
Any hints on how to have more debug from the kernel ?
Where the console is supposed to be displayed ?
A big problem appears to be the fact that our device and the hermes use the SD driver in the ATI chip, not the friendly PXA27x drivers most others use. This is causing all sorts of headaches for the guys working on it and as I understand it they really need someone who can write a driver from scratch for it.
I personally thought about working on this and almost started (got a haret patch at least) and then decided that without a hardware keyboard this is gonna utterly SUCK for debugging and testing. As much as I hate to say it, I'm gonna wait for the kaiser to play with getting linux fulling running on the device. Then again, that's gonna suck since it uses a wacked cpu compared to any other...
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Hi,
I read in the Kaiser thread a bit about how to install Linux on MSM7200 but i realy didn't get how to enter the shifts bootloader and how to move a "kernel image" aand boot it. im a noob when it goes to HTC devices but im expirienced when its about Linux, and i realy would like to get linux into my HTC shift (not the Stealy side)
Is anyone out there who could give me some hints and starting points ... tried nearly al buttons while WinMo start to enter bootloader but there must be another trick or ?!
HardSPL'ed Shift with TECE's rom
Kind regards
Neutron
(ps. could there be a small possibility to run Android in it ?!?
pps. anyone looked around what the difference in wireing is from shift (MSM72k) to Kaiser MSM72k could we "build our kaiser roms to work on shift ?!?) <--- only thoughts ?
On WinMo side you must use HaRET to boot linux images. There is no working image for Shift yet, and I don`t really know if anyone is working on it. Before you can really start working on android you probably have to have sdcard-support enabled on your WinMo. It would be nice to get android running on shift
Has anyone tried running haret and start the network listener? It could reveal something about the hardware I guess.
Hi there tried it with HaRET and tryed the kaiser android rom from
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
it nearly booted but stoped with the following error code !!
failed to lock 5387 pages (Code 998)
Anyone around who would like to get it working to and familarr with haret ??
I just tried and will go to debugging later on
nvmpk: i'll try to connectt it when im at work ! i think the same i would like to get the phone side working and i think the linux environment could give easy'er lookthrou than the ****ty windows mobile
So first of all it would be nice starting point to just get linux console working. Before even get there, someone have to create kernel that has support for shifts keyboard and screen etc odd hardware.
Neutron83 said:
it nearly booted but stoped with the following error code !!
failed to lock 5387 pages (Code 998)
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How much RAM does it have ?
I got my shift boot with HaRET to that point when "HaRET: booting linux" progressbar completes fully and then screen gets black only Haret 0.5.1 text and that bar is on top of window.
Just go to WinMo side and disable all items from today screen, run cleartemp, then switch to vista side and hibernate/shutdown. Then again back to WinMo side and soft reset. After that start HaRET and when the windows mobile start menu is on bottom of the screen click it, go to settings->system->memory and close all running programs and close all other windows except HaRET and then run it.
22.1-22.4MB (43.05MB total) memory free for programs with those actions.
EDIT: This works about 2 times of 200 attempts. Usually it hangs when "HaRET: booting linux" progressbar is about 95% completed.
Okay guys,
UPDATE:
I made my first 2 kernels from the ones at linux to go
first with the htckaiser config wich gave an flickering fullscreen purple !! seems msm7200 can address full screen!
second kernel done with versatile-default config, there it did the following:
i made a haret log 2 interessting parts: Framebuffer overlaps with kernel
and stand still
after go go go...
Anyone could help ??
if anyone could help me with the stuff i could dump stuff from the shift for you !!
thx
dump
as i was idle'iin in freenode htc-linux someone sayed me that dump of mmu would help so i attach it here. if you need something else please say
earlyharetlog.txt
News
Hi people who are interested in getting MSM7200 linux kernel running .
Some Breaking news:
Edit: i was WRONG i know it with the addresses now
any updates on this project?
Yeah i got framebuffer to work, as im very busy with work and it seemed that nobody seems interested in it i did my development for my own. when im ready to get it fully booted & access the 3g data channel i will post an update.
Or is there some real intresst in this project (as i dont want to keep my stuff for myself) And some programmers that are willing to help with the dev in it.
Greets
I'm interested!
An instant-on Linux machine would be great. I don't need any MS stuff like Activesync, so for me it would give a nice flexible solution, if there was enough memory for some apps, and the 3G worked from the other side.
I hope it succeeds.
Thanks for trying.
Matthew
interrest sure, developers who are able to help with that topic(linux interns) unfortunately not.
Any news?
Hi everyone, I have stepped on your thread by pure chance while looking for a real alternative for my Shift and I have found it enlightening...
The fact is I am not too happy (even if slightly satisfied) with the brand new Windows 7 RC (build 7100) and the windows Mobile running on the Shift and would love to try an all-around linux solution... however there would be no point in getting linux on the Intel/Vista side if I would have to be stuck with Windows Mobile on the ARM/WinMO side, in my opinion at least...
Anything going on here to put linux on the ARM/WinMO side? I am not a developer but if there is anything I can do to help out reaching the goal...
Have a nice day!
Is there svn or cvs placed anywhere for this project? Just wanted to know if there is possibility to get current project files..
Has someone cooked small rom that only contains usbtool and haret or is this going to be used with kexec-bootloader that can boot from network storage?
well it has been a while when someone wrote to this topic.. I have been working with linux for MSM7200 side for shift for couple of days. There is buildroot called toolset to compile kernel+uclibc+busybox and I have been wondering if that could be used to build console only linux for shift to replace winmo.
I got first build created today but it did not end up anything special. haret loads kernel completely(or I thought so as there is nothing errors on haretlog.txt). It just does not show anything after booting with haret, so there is something that should be done to get correct drivers or settings for screen..
Here is first bootlog for shift without mmc support:
http://pastebin.ca/1845069
EDIT: there is also wiki page created for shift msm: http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Clio
Hi, I have bought this phone.
And I wan't to install Linux on it.
For the x86 Side (Intel) no problems.
But I don't wan't have ANY WinMo.
Can I flash to ARM Rom to input an Android OS ?
Can use whole screen, or not (the wiki say not ...).
Any peoples can boot Linux on ARM, and phone with ?
Thanks.
Has anyone have a confirmed full install of ubuntu/debian/gentoo (arm verisons of course) on the dream? not the terminal emulator boot img but a full over right of android and install of linux. Or is it no ones done it because theres not enough support for it driver wise? what is not supported for it? Can someone leave me with some answers not more questions? (i think thats impossible now that i think about it)
bumpssssss
The reason no one has answered is because no one has had a fully working debian system with a gui like kde or gnome. Question would yo really want a desktop gui on your tiny little sdreen that your fingers would be too big to have any functionly
Can it be done?
Most definitely. Easy. It would require some customization (i.e. drivers), but this is relatively minor.
Has anyone done it?
Maybe, not to many as this is something for which there would be little demand.
Why not?
Because it does not make sense. As mentioned above, the physical form is the first problem you'll run into. The second problem is that your phone will cease to work *as a phone*. You also couldn't run any 'droid apps on it at all.
Why would you want to?
(note: this question is for YOU to answer.)
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Can it be done?
Most definitely. Easy. It would require some customization (i.e. drivers), but this is relatively minor.
Has anyone done it?
Maybe, not to many as this is something for which there would be little demand.
Why not?
Because it does not make sense. As mentioned above, the physical form is the first problem you'll run into. The second problem is that your phone will cease to work *as a phone*. You also couldn't run any 'droid apps on it at all.
Why would you want to?
(note: this question is for YOU to answer.)
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well, mainly a proof of concept and if you've checked my track record you'll notice i don't even have my g1 to use as a phone. i've been trying to make it into a pretty well rounded mid. But my question is how would i do it? flash all internet memory, then push the new linux kernel, filesystem etc onto the device and cross my fingers and hope for the best? or could you trick the system into thinking its a android update and have it install that way? And down the road could you use a regular bootloader like LILO or grub to duel boot or would you have to ghetto rig something?
(p.s: a terminal based is what i was thinking of in the first place i always got ssh for the heavy lifting )
technically the g1 is a tri-boot
1.) standard os that we use as normal
2) recovery patition. where we flash our update.zips
3) bootloader. where it fastboots or flash.nbh to overwrite entire system
so for what you would like to do is build a moddified boot.img to load up the nessciary files to boot your linux distrom maybe you could even set up switchrom to doit so when you need to use android you still have the option. there is a thread on how to run debian through the terminal maybe you could moddify that to work for you but getting the drivers for the files needed to be able to do anything would be the main issue. give me a sec and i will edit this posts with the links to that threadand how to make a boot.img
here is boot.img
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-443994.html
here is installing debian on g1, newest info is towards the end, i didn't read through it but last time i looked someone was close to what you want
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444419
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well, mainly a proof of concept and if you've checked my track record you'll notice i don't even have my g1 to use as a phone. i've been trying to make it into a pretty well rounded mid. But my question is how would i do it? flash all internet memory, then push the new linux kernel, filesystem etc onto the device and cross my fingers and hope for the best? or could you trick the system into thinking its a android update and have it install that way? And down the road could you use a regular bootloader like LILO or grub to duel boot or would you have to ghetto rig something?
(p.s: a terminal based is what i was thinking of in the first place i always got ssh for the heavy lifting )
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Why on earth don't you just get a $200 netbook that WILL run a fully functional linux install? Its cheaper, faster and has better hardware...
Diceman4 said:
Why on earth don't you just get a $200 netbook that WILL run a fully functional linux install? Its cheaper, faster and has better hardware...
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weres the fun in that? and how many can say they have a FULL debain pocket device? none thats right and if the wifi would work it would be a fun machine for text based things.
HOLY SH- New plan after a full debian install lets see if i can get some dos running who doesn't want monkey island and fallout 1?
johnnytablet said:
weres the fun in that? and how many can say they have a FULL debain pocket device? none thats right and if the wifi would work it would be a fun machine for text based things.
HOLY SH- New plan after a full debian install lets see if i can get some dos running who doesn't want monkey island and fallout 1?
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There's a scumm emulator if you're that desperate for Monley Island >.>
I agree with the others, it's like wanting to run Android on some pimp-ass quad core rig, it seems like a good idea....if you happen to be intoxicated. Running a full blown window manager on a 3.2" screen is just insane...
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There's a scumm emulator if you're that desperate for Monley Island >.>
I agree with the others, it's like wanting to run Android on some pimp-ass quad core rig, it seems like a good idea....if you happen to be intoxicated. Running a full blown window manager on a 3.2" screen is just insane...
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so your telling me you would not have fun with a tiny desktop in your pocket?
Here's a suggestion. Put a modified kernel/init stuff on the recovery partition, install your system onto sdcard. Regular boot = 'droid, recovery boot = 'deb.
Note: you WILL have to use a kernel that is built with the appropriate drivers for the dream hardware.
Note2: you will probably have some driver problems re getting Xorg running on the dream hardware. I don't think its vesa compatible, so you'll most likely have to hack together an xorg driver.
well, actually it has been done already, check the thread on the regular android-chroot-debian... "FukTheRegister" has posted a fastboot boot.img that runs the ubuntu net install right on the g1, however you will have to use usb0 networking to install it...
To some, this might seem worthless to look into but, I have searched this possiblity and I haven't been able to get any results that help.
What I am trying to do is take a program that I had on my Xperia WM device and get it to run on the Nexus One.
To run the program(in WM), there is a folder that you drop into the root of your SD card and then create a shortcut to the .exe file which, on WM, goes in your start menu.
( I mentioned the above to explain that it is not installed by a .cab file, if it helps any)
Anyone know if it is possible to run this program on Android?
Thank you all in advance for your time
not possible and I doubt there are any virtualization options on android. you are out of luck my friend.
Someone would have to port Wine to Android.
What program are you talking about? Maybe there already is a similar one for Android.
Not just a regular version of wine, but a windows ce version
Would be cool but I don't see it happening anytime soon
I don't see it happening ever. Microsoft is already ditching WM for the WP7S and I doubt anyone cares enough to work on such an app.
Short answer: No.
However, if it was made with .NET and Koush finishes the Mono port then there is a chance that the base functionality can be abstracted and an Android version could more or less be easily created. But that's a lot of "if"s going on and someone would still be taking the time to port any UI layers.
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Hi All,
I wanted to share with you something that I think could develop into something quite useful (and cool ). I have successfully managed to launch remote applications from my Linux server onto my TP (similar to Citrix). For those that might be somewhat skeptical I've attached a screenshot below. And yes, your eyes do not deceive you – it most certainly is Word 2007 running! But before everyone starts jumping up and down with excitement, it's not an TP application that I've developed – more proof of concept.
If people are interested in trying this out themselves please let me know and I'll put up some instructions. Just a wording of warning though, this is a little fiddly and requires the user to use CLI via Executah and also a Linux PC (not sure how to achieve this with a Windows PC).
Also, if there are any Xterm/XServer/WebOS Developer experts for the TP here that can help me, please come forward as I would like to push this to be more GUI based so I could really use some help.
Thank you.
How does this compare to splashtop remote?
Wow very neat!
Don't run Linux so not for me but i'd find this useful if someone knew a way to do this via windows?
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How does this compare to splashtop remote?
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it's not as advance as splashtop. It's merely just a remote application running on a linux server. The example I posted was of word running via wine on my ubuntu server. However, I've managed to get rdesktop installed on the touchpad which means there is a possibility of running a windows application. I will try this out and see if it works.
I will report back as soon as I have some info. I post a screenshot of a windows app running, asumming I can get one to run.