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PUSH email w/o exchange ?

I'm using Outlook 2007 on my desktop with 3 POP email accounts, calendar, tasks, etc.
Is there a fairly simple way to sync and push email to my Tilt without having exchange server available ?
Thanks,
DLD

Direct push is for exchange 2003 & 2007 only, it has nothing to do with the outlook client. Why don't you setup the pop3 on your phone? On my phone I have 1 exchange account, and 2 pop3 accounts, and it works great.

You could always try Emoze - http://www.emoze.com/ - some people love it, some people hate it. Not tried it myself.
Other options include using Live Mail - which supports push in WM6, or setting up a Mail2Web account. You could then create a rule in Outlook to forward any received mail to your new address. You might be able to configure Live Mail to pull from other Pop3 mailboxes (I know Gmail does this, but I don't know about Live Mail). That way all three Pop accounts end up in your Live Mail bucket, and you sync just that one account with your phone.
Any good?

TimSykes said:
Direct push is for exchange 2003 & 2007 only, it has nothing to do with the outlook client. Why don't you setup the pop3 on your phone? On my phone I have 1 exchange account, and 2 pop3 accounts, and it works great.
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I could do that, but then I'd have to manually check for mail.
It would just be nice to have blackberry-like mail arrival.
DLD

you can tell the phone to check every 5 mins for emails? that's just as regular as blackberry. battery sapping tho. its in the advanced section of the messaging setup. you can do it on symbian nokias too.

dan13l said:
You could always try Emoze - http://www.emoze.com/ - some people love it, some people hate it. Not tried it myself.
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just installed it, and it appears to be working GREAT !
i wonder why this is free ?
DLD

Unless it is an unlocked version, there is a client ready to install on the Tilt that does the same thing. ExpressMail

WWI said:
Unless it is an unlocked version, there is a client ready to install on the Tilt that does the same thing. ExpressMail
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I like the concept of XpressMail (using SMS notification, therefore good for battery life), though I've had little luck getting push to work. It rarely, if ever, worked on my MPX220. I eventually accepted the fact that I'd simply have to do a send/receive when I was interested in seeing if there was new mail. Now that I have the Tilt, I'm having the same reliability issues. It HAS worked... I've had a couple messages show up all on their own, but for the most part, they don't. I've gone into the online configuration @ https://xpressmail.cingular.com/, and found that I had not only one, but two devices set up (my MPX220 set up twice). I deleted both of those, but for some reason can't seem to get the Tilt added. I can go through the process, but once I select it, it just never gets added to the list. The list of emails online is correct, so obviously the xpress mail app is properly getting the emails from my mail provider (comcast), but it's either not sending out the SMS messages, or they aren't being interpreted correctly by the phone.

I had a situation where i needed to syn with 2 exchange servers, and i didnt' want to run a desktop app.
Google for "seven beta" and get the OWA Out of office. You can set it up to sync only email and it works like push off of the OWA of exchange. If you don't have exchange they have a desktop version. Seven is the same people who develop the xpress mail for cingular.

Outlook Anywhere

Anybody knows how to get this working on my Diamond
Thx !!
-Dennis...

Outlook anywhere (feature of exchange 2007) is the new name for RPC over HTTPS (exchange 2003) which is how microsoft outlook for a PC desktop connects and syncs with an exchange server.
The PDA equivalent is pushmail, which works a treat !

Runners.dk said:
Anybody knows how to get this working on my Diamond
Thx !!
-Dennis...
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Go to activesync (on the Diamond, not your desktop). You likely get something saying you want to synchronize with Exchange server, otherwise look in the menu's.
Fill in the details. Remember that if the Outlook webaddress is like ht*ps://exchange.mydomain.com/OWA fill in only exchange.mydomain.com
Be correct if SSL is used etc and fill in other account details.
Be sure a wifi or GPRS/G3 connection is active. Select synchronize. Most likely you get a message saying that the Exchange server must set a security setting on your device. Allow it and it strats synchronizing with Outlook Anywhere.
Quite easy to setup.
You can also set it up via ActiveSync or Windows Mobile Device Center on your PC. Select there to synchronize with Exchange server instead of your PC.

Can't synch POP mail to desktop Outlook?

I may be late to the game on this issue, but I can't believe what I'm hearing from another source. Hope I put this in the right forum.
Is it true that when we send or receive a POP message on our PDA that there's no way we can synchronize that message back to Outlook on the desktop?
What I need to do is to have any message received or sent using Pocket Outlook with WiFi or 3G/GPRS while away from my desktop syncrhonized back to Outlook via ActiveSync. I've been told this can't be done.
In other words, what we have here is the electronic Roach Motel for email?
Someone please tell me it's not true.

I don't think that's true. I haven't used Outlook/Pop Mail since my Dell Axim Days, but to worked then.
What's true is POP is a one shot deal. If you download the message from your email server using POP to your Mobile, you can't download it from your email server to your Desktop Outlook.

Yes, I understand that with POP, you have the option of either keeping the messages on the server, or having them deleted after download.
Here's a scenario. This is what I'd like to happen. Please let me know if it's possible with a standard POP/SMTP server (NOT an Exchange server, and IMAP isn't an option for me at this time).
1) I synchronize my device with my pc and emails are updated to their respective folders on the PDA while physically connected to my desktop. I then disconnect and leave my office.
2) While on the road, I download an email to the device using one of my POP accounts via either 3G or WiFi. I respond to that message and send it back. Now, I have one new message in the In Box on the PDA, and a response in my Sent Items folder on the PDA.
3) When I return home, I want both those new messages - one in the In Box and on in the Sent Items folder to be synchronized back from the PDA to the desktop.
I've been told it's not possible. Can someone confirm, and if it's true, please explain to me (in layman's terms) how messages manage to go into the machine, but messages downloaded using the PDA just don't want to come out?

BillTheCat said:
I've been told it's not possible.
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AFAIK, it is not possible in the way you want to do it. Out the box WM will only do this with Exchange Server email. You have to go with a third party service like Xpress Fail that pushes email off your desktop Outlook to your phone.
Maybe someone could suggest a service that actually works, because Xpress Fail sucked for me.
You have probably been told this, but I set up Outlook on the desktop to leave an email on the server for 10 days. This way the phone and desktop get the same email. But thats as good as it gets with a POP account.
One more thing, the "Outlook" account you see on the phone is used for Exchange Server email. You can select it to sync with your desktop, but all it does is load up the email from your desktop.

GWelker62 said:
AFAIK, it is not possible in the way you want to do it. Out the box WM will only do this with Exchange Server email. You have to go with a third party service like Xpress Fail that pushes email off your desktop Outlook to your phone.
Maybe someone could suggest a service that actually works, because Xpress Fail sucked for me.
You have probably been told this, but I set up Outlook on the desktop to leave an email on the server for 10 days. This way the phone and desktop get the same email. But thats as good as it gets with a POP account.
One more thing, the "Outlook" account you see on the phone is used for Exchange Server email. You can select it to sync with your desktop, but all it does is load up the email from your desktop.
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Incredible. I'm speechless. So, the phone really is like the D-Con roach motel.
I'm incredulous that we have a system that gets Email from the desktop to the machine, and a machine that can send and receive emails while away from the desktop, but can't manage to get the messages back to the desktop when you return.
I just fail to understand how something seemingly so simple can be so complex. After all, POP email is just more or less a text file.

Ok, I've been thinking about this.
Of all the Email addresses I have, the majority of them are in my control. There is only one email address (att.net) that I have no control over and offers only POP.
If I migrate my domains from GoDaddy (which does NOT offer IMAP) to another IHV, can I have my att.net POP email automatically forwarded to a 'ghost' IMAP account at a new host, and accomplish what I want?
I still get back to being amazed that Microsoft hasn't had the forethought to supporting synchronization of POP messages from the phone back to desktop Outook. How F'n stupid is that???
Thanks in advance for any thoughts y'all have on this matter.

I think in Windows Pocket PC 2003 it did sync with POP. But the Windows Mobile Line assumes everyone is using exchange servers. Microsoft makes a lot of assumptions like that.
To answer your question, You will get two benefits out of your solution.
1: You will be able to use IMAP.
2: You won't be using GoDaddy anymore.
WIN FEAKIN' WIN Man!

I'm currently in quite a similar situation - I use Outlook 2007 on my desktop to download ALL my email, 95% of which comes from my Yahoo account. As it stands right now, I POP download my emails to my Outlook (Yahoo doesnt support desktop IMAP unless you pay), and I IMAP it to my Tilt (Yahoo does, however, support IMAP to mobiles, i guess? ). Currently I'll BCC a copy of any email I send to myself, and then once it's POPed back to Outlook, I just move it to the Sent Mail. It's a hassle but it's the best I can do.
The one annoyance is that if you don't close Outlook before leaving home, the POP automatically marks the messages as "read" once downloaded, and so when the Tilt IMAPs them in, they're already marked as read and so I don't get notified.
If you figure anything out (that doesn't require access to my own server!) please let us know lol

JimmyMcGee said:
To answer your question, You will get two benefits out of your solution.
1: You will be able to use IMAP.
2: You won't be using GoDaddy anymore.
WIN FEAKIN' WIN Man!
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LOL! Yeah, I'm thinkin' yer on to somethin' there. Looking at Dreamhost as an IHV. At least they support full shell access for more than one administrator so I can separate my domains that are serviced by another party.
Ok, but here's a problem. With IMAP, do I have a local copy on my machine, or must everything be stored on the server?

BillTheCat said:
LOL! Yeah, I'm thinkin' yer on to somethin' there. Looking at Dreamhost as an IHV. At least they support full shell access for more than one administrator so I can separate my domains that are serviced by another party.
Ok, but here's a problem. With IMAP, do I have a local copy on my machine, or must everything be stored on the server?
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I prefer DreamHost myself.
In IMAP they are stored on the server, but most desktop email client give you the option to save a local copy. As to how, it depends on the client though.

JimmyMcGee said:
In IMAP they are stored on the server, but most desktop email client give you the option to save a local copy. As to how, it depends on the client though.
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Ok, so bear with me, because I'm still getting my head around how this all works.
Let's say I migrate my hosting and set up IMAP accounts for my various email addresses. Then I set both the PDA and my Desktop respectively to download and delete messages from the server. Will messages sent and received on the PDA (therefore stored on the phone) be replicated to the desktop using ActiveSync when I reconnect for a synchronization? Or will I find myself back with the same situation I have with POP where ActiveSynch won't 'see' the PDA's IMAP folders and refuse to copy messages to my Desktop Outlook?

Basically an IMAP server the Email stays on the server. Then with your desktop of PDA downloads the message it is a "Shadow copy." IMAP allows multiple client to access the same Mailbox and the same time if needed. POP hates that.
Active Sync won't have any role in this.
If you download on your PDA, you will get a "shadow" on your PDA and the original message will be on the server. You can then go to your Desktop machine it will look what's on the server that it doesn't have as a shadow copy and then download a shoadw copy of that. Meaning at that point, both Devices will have the message in it possesion.

JimmyMcGee said:
Basically an IMAP server the Email stays on the server. Then with your desktop of PDA downloads the message it is a "Shadow copy." IMAP allows multiple client to access the same Mailbox and the same time if needed. POP hates that.
Active Sync won't have any role in this.
If you download on your PDA, you will get a "shadow" on your PDA and the original message will be on the server. You can then go to your Desktop machine it will look what's on the server that it doesn't have as a shadow copy and then download a shoadw copy of that. Meaning at that point, both Devices will have the message in it possesion.
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Wow. "Shadow". Now there's a term I haven't heard since my OS/2 days. Man, do I feel really old.
What you're saying is that essentially we then have three sets of copies of both sent and received mail in three different locations, the servers and local devices just setting their 'flags' as needed, correct?
Ok, I guess at this point I guess I really just need to set up an IMAP account somewhere and see how it works in practice so I can get my head around it.
Thanks for all your help!

BillTheCat said:
Wow. "Shadow". Now there's a term I haven't heard since my OS/2 days. Man, do I feel really old.
What you're saying is that essentially we then have three sets of copies of both sent and received mail in three different locations, the servers and local devices just setting their 'flags' as needed, correct?
Ok, I guess at this point I guess I really just need to set up an IMAP account somewhere and see how it works in practice so I can get my head around it.
Thanks for all your help!
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Basically, yeah.
Maybe use a GMAIL account via Imap and seee what happens when you check it from two locations.
Feel free to shoot me any questions you have.

Microsoft Outlook Web Access help needed.

Hi,
My law school uses Microsoft Outlook Web Access (OWA) for e-mail exchange and I am having a bit of difficulty getting it to connect to my ATT Tilt (w/ 6.1 default rom).
The main problem is that unlike my Gmail, the OWA doesn't have any options for enabling forwarding/POP/IMAP.
A faculty member of the IT department had sent out an e-mail last month with instructions on how to sync the OWA with IPhones and I tried to follow his instructions, but the problem I am now running into is that the Tilt requires a server name (I believe it is mail.uchastings.edu) and a domain name (?????).
I would appreciate any help if someone can help me with this. The server will not get the settings itself since I can't enable POP or IMAP.
I set almost everything perfecting, except when I tried to to connect to download mail, it would take me to the page that requested my username, password, and domain name. So i believe I am putting the domain name incorrecting since I tried a variety of my login.

Are you trying to use active sync? That is what it sounds like

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Are you trying to use active sync? That is what it sounds like
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I don't mind using activesync (although I prefer to be able to use the internet to access my mailbox).
I know you can access it through the web because when I attempted to get it working, I followed the following steps:
1. Clicked on Outlook e-mail
2. Server address: mail.uchastings.edu
3. Fails to obtain settings
4. I tell it that it is an Outlook server, not internet e-mail
5. Username: myusername
6. Password: mypassword
7. Domain: ????? (don't know what to put)
8. Asks me what items I want to sync (Mail, Contacts, Tasks, Calendar)
9. I click on Send/Recieve and it takes me back to the screen which asks for items 5-7.
That is the problem I am having and I believe it is probably the domain name that I am messing up on since I have tried to do a variety of my username and it won't work.
The e-mail server (OWA) is Microsoft Outlook, but it is inside a webbrowser. When I click on options, it won't give me a Pop/Imap option so I have to set it up as an outlook e-mail.
Hope that clears some items up.

You cannot sync Outlook Web Mail with Pocket Outlook in standard POP3 style. You would have to setup either Exchange Push Mail, or just log in to OWA using Pocket IE (gag).
The iPhone is able to sync using the Exchange protocol with its latest firmware that shipped at the launch of the 3G iPhone.
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You need to uncheck the option for Outlook to auto detect your settings, and then select Exchange server from the options. I would then contact your school's IT department and ask them for the settings required to setup your phone to sync.

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I don't mind using activesync (although I prefer to be able to use the internet to access my mailbox).
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by active sync I meant wireless active sync through exchange. I would confirm the server address with the IT department and you will also more than likely need a certificate if SSL is used which it should.
domain I would imagine would be uchastings
From my experience with wireless activesync the certificate is 99% of the problem

Thanks guys for all the help. There is a guy at the IT which I have been e-mailing who is helpful, but the problem is he doesn't have a Tilt so he doesn't know the actual set up. I can post his set-up (which shows the servers, etc step by step) if that might be a bit more helpful to you guys also. I am hoping that once I get a chance to go up, I could meet him in person and see whats going on.

wireless active sync is all the same for windows mobile devices. The only thing that is different is that on wm6 devices importing the ssl certificate is a whole lot easier.
what is your the url for your owa?
the server name should be the same url minus the /owa part
for example if its blahblah.com/owa the server would be blahblah.com
be sure to ask for the certifcate

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wireless active sync is all the same for windows mobile devices. The only thing that is different is that on wm6 devices importing the ssl certificate is a whole lot easier.
what is your the url for your owa?
the server name should be the same url minus the /owa part
for example if its blahblah.com/owa the server would be blahblah.com
be sure to ask for the certifcate
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The url for the e-mail is owa.uchastings.edu.
When I got my first e-mail from the IT department exampling how to obtain access to the e-mail server, I was told that for the first time, my username for the e-mail would be uchastings\username. However, now I just user the username without the uchastings\ part to access my e-mail.
Also, would the server be owa.uchastings.edu? The IT rep told me it would be email.uchastings.edu.

Try This
For username just type the username without the domain.
For the domain try uchastings.local and see if that works.
And make sure that the box for SSL connection is not checked.

you might also try a program called Chronobis to sync Outlook OWA to your device.
Its very basic, but gets the job done

NotATreoFan said:
You cannot sync Outlook Web Mail with Pocket Outlook in standard POP3 style. You would have to setup either Exchange Push Mail, or just log in to OWA using Pocket IE (gag).
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Not sure where you get this idea? POP3 and IMAP would work just fine if it's enabled, and more importantly, is exposed to the internet. It's not as nice as push email and most companies would not bother to expose it to the internet, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. He may not have access to it on his server but there's no technical reason it can't be done. It's just a standard pop3 and imap server using the standard protocols.

I would like to thank everybody for all the help and I was able to fix the problem with some help from a OWA forum.
The problem I was having is that the username should have been the username alone and then the domain name was just uchastings. That was it.
I have one more question I am hoping someone can help me with.
I use Microsoft Outlook 2007 on my laptop also since I can just connect my school mail and Gmail on there.
When I first connected my ATT Tilt to my laptop, it asked me what I wanted to sync and I choose Contacts, Calendar, Tasks, and Notes. Then I setup my Tilt with the school's outlook web access. It also asked what it should sync and I choose Contacts, Mail, Calendar, Tasks, and Notes.
Now on my Outlook 2007, when I choose Contacts, Calender, or Tasks, it gives me two options for each. For example in contacts, it has Contacts and Contacts from Personal Folder. Same for Calendar (Calender and Calendar from Personal Contacts) and Tasks.
Now my question is that are these two connected or is one from my Tilt and the other from Hastings OWA? If I choose to delete one, say from the OWA, will it affect the other? I am asking because all the items in each place (ie Calendar and Calendar from Personal Folder) are the same.
Thanks for the help once again.

Help me figure out how to synchronize emails properly

I've looked around a lot but I can't find this specific issue mentioned.
My Diamond currently syncs well with my outlook, which receives emails from a few accounts and aggregates them in one inbox. This is good because I'm able to take them with me anywhere.
What I want is for the Diamond to also be able to download mail from my gmail account - which it does without a hitch - but this means I won't get that email in my desktop inbox. When connecting the device and starting activesync, it will pull new messages from my desktop index, but instead of moving the gmail stuff to the desktop, it just deletes all messages completely and there's no trace of them anywhere.
Is there a way to attach an account to the "outlook inbox" so that the gmail mails I download are added to it instead of to a new account? If not, is there any way to synchronize that new account to my desktop inbox instead?
This sounds very trivial, but I can't get it to work.
I am using Dutty's latest ROM (3.6b).

Email settings...
Have a look in your email settings on your device for your gmail account. At the bottom of one of the pages you'll see underlined 'Advanced Settings'. Tap on this and change the setting to 'Leave on server'. This way, you can receive it on your device, but when you check your mail back at your desktop, it will be there too.
Look under Send/Receive Settings?

That's the option currently set, and it does indeed leave the messages on gmail, but they are not automatically downloaded to my desktop if they were already downloaded to the Diamond.
I don't understand why it doesn't synchronize them with outlook on my computer...

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Spiral Architect said:
That's the option currently set, and it does indeed leave the messages on gmail, but they are not automatically downloaded to my desktop if they were already downloaded to the Diamond.
I don't understand why it doesn't synchronize them with outlook on my computer...
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I'm sure why that is then. I use Tiscali email, and that downloads to my desktop whether I've already viewed them on my device or not. Perhaps someone else who uses gmail can help you... strange

in gmail, even if u leave the emails in the server, they wont be downloaded more than once. i know that, i am using a gmail account with my office pc as well as my home pc. and if i download an email from gmail using one of the two pc's, i cant download it again using the other pc, unless i go into the gmail server and "refresh" all emails making them as new. Same of course applies if you use a win mobile system.
Solution? yep and pretty simple. Have a new account in an exchange server, which can sync with your diamond. Have all your emails forwarded to this account. My diamond syncs only with my push-emailing exchange server, whilst all other accounts of mine are set in order to forward copies to the exchange server.
dunno if i made myself sufficiently clear... ?

How do I uhh.. set up an exchange server?
Is it seriously impossible to synch email I receive on the phone with desktop outlook? This is stupid. :/ One of the reasons I got the phone was that I could get emails everywhere, but it's useless if not only it doesn't synch it with the computer, but it deletes these mails automatically.....

Spiral Architect said:
How do I uhh.. set up an exchange server?
Is it seriously impossible to synch email I receive on the phone with desktop outlook? This is stupid. :/ One of the reasons I got the phone was that I could get emails everywhere, but it's useless if not only it doesn't synch it with the computer, but it deletes these mails automatically.....
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i opened an account in a microsoft exchange server, to which i forward all my emails from other accounts. Also all my contacts and to-do list are in this exchange server, and are sync together with outlook in my other two computers (+diamond). I do so not just for sync but also because this is the best way for getting push-emailing... meaning my diamond gets the email right in the moment i receive it.
btw u can get a free email account in the following exchange server: http://live.mail2web.com/

Do you have imap enabled or just pop3? If you let the phone automatically setup your email then it will automatically chose pop3. Don't enter your email adress when configuring your gmail because it automatically sets up everything. Just enter something like [email protected] and it should give you the option to choose imap.
And make sure your computer also uses imap.