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Hey guys, I was wondering how many people would be upgrading to the 8525 from the 8125 and what sort of timeline you guys were looking at. I have been drooling over it, but it seems that a lot of the talent as far as cooking ROMS and customizing the devices resides with the 8125. As much as a love shiny new devices I also love devices that do what I like them to do, even if they are not a shiny!
I plan to get one, but not until HSDPA/UMTS is deployed in my area. The faster processor will be nice, but I can't justify dropping the clams on it for just the faster processor. Of course, who knows what may be available by the time HSDPA/UMTS gets my way (Upstate, SC).
I'd like to buy one today, but from cruising the Hermes forum, it seems as there are a lot of issues with the phone such as screen alignment, A2DP which doesn't work, etc.
I love my 8125. It works well when I flash a clean ROM but once I add all the software I like to run, it slows down too much. (I started up my old Blue Angel the other day. It has a 400 mhz processor and even though it's old and only uses GPRS, it seems quite fast).
I hear the TyTNs with a 640xx serial number have some of these issues fixed. Can anyone verify this?
Also, I'll bet the Cingular 8525 is a bit more refined and has a bunch of the bugs worked out (too bad no camera for video conferencing).
I'd like to hear what other think. I'm itching for a Hermes (TyTN) but want to get the best one.
im thinking of pickin one of these badboys up but the only phone ive owned from HTC was a TMO MDA and it was good for me just wonderin if this is definitely a big improvement over that phone and if its alot faster?
I went from a TMO MDA to the Kaiser and I can definitely say it is a HUGE improvement.
WM6 (unless you had rolled your own WM6 upgrade), WAY more ram and storage space, faster cpu, much better fit and finish.
Trust me, it is worth the upgrade. I didn't get the 8525 because I thought it was too much of an intermediate upgrade, whereas the Kaiser was right on the money.
sounds good... im gonna see if i pick it up once my stores AT&T rep gets back from vacation
I went from a Qtek 9100 (HTC Wizard - aka T-Mobile MDA) to the HTC TyTN II (Kaiser). It was definately a big jump for me. Faster CPU, the integrated GPS, better radio, smaller form factor and to be honest, the thing I may be digging most is the tilt screen and more RAM...
thats good... more ram is definitely a plus... are apps bigger now since theres more ram available? like is there visible difference in loading times for apps?
I'm currently using Hermes (8525) and thinking about getting Kaiser. If you have had Hermes before I'd like to hear your word of wisdom from whomever have had both devices for practical usage. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury to keep both.
What I love about the Hermes that's not found in Kaiser are flash light, IrDa, and comm manager button. On the other hand Hermes is missing GPS, bigger memory, the "possibility" of having hardware accelerated graphics, supposedly better camera, tilting hinges, and in my particular case front camera (I'm using 8525 and there's no _practical_ solution to put the front camera in and if I were to get Kaiser it better be NOT AT&T tilt that has no front camera as well).
I'm afraid I'll be missing Hermes exclusive features if I switch to Kaiser, even though I don't use those features too often. It is however very tempting especially the built in GPS feature (yes I have followed the hidden GPS thread and struck down by the bad news that we can't practically revive the chip in Hermes).
A word of advice or two from you guys would be very appreciated.
PS: I posted this in Hermes forum a while ago and I'm also interested to hear Kaiser owners' opinion about this too.
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I'm currently using Hermes (8525) and thinking about getting Kaiser. If you have had Hermes before I'd like to hear your word of wisdom from whomever have had both devices for practical usage. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury to keep both.
What I love about the Hermes that's not found in Kaiser are flash light, IrDa, and comm manager button. On the other hand Hermes is missing GPS, bigger memory, the "possibility" of having hardware accelerated graphics, supposedly better camera, tilting hinges, and in my particular case front camera (I'm using 8525 and there's no _practical_ solution to put the front camera in and if I were to get Kaiser it better be NOT AT&T tilt that has no front camera as well).
I'm afraid I'll be missing Hermes exclusive features if I switch to Kaiser, even though I don't use those features too often. It is however very tempting especially the built in GPS feature (yes I have followed the hidden GPS thread and struck down by the bad news that we can't practically revive the chip in Hermes).
A word of advice or two from you guys would be very appreciated.
PS: I posted this in Hermes forum a while ago and I'm also interested to hear Kaiser owners' opinion about this too.
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This is kind of like going onto the Corvette Club of America forum and saying " I'm thinking of trading my Chevy Malibu for a Corvette, what do you think?" My Tilt is Great. I personally have never experience any of the quirks others have complained about. If you like the new features and upgrade possibilites better. Then do it.
Out of everything that I read, I decided that it was NOT worth the upgrade. Then my Hermes started acting up BADLY with white screens and buttons that stopped working. So I reluctantly upgraded sooner than I intended.
I have loved my Kaiser. The 400mhz vs 400mhz CPU doesnt explain much why my Kaiser is so much faster than my Hermes. And I love the GPS .... and the battery life is better.
Also I never could find a radio where I could leave on 3G inside my condo and not drop calls. I tried and tried and tried. I leave 3G on my Kaiser with NO dropped calls even inside exactly where my Hermes would drop calls - and the 3G is not sucking the battery like on the Hermes.
I was the same way. I think it depends on the price that you will have to pay. I was able to get the Kaiser (Tilt) when it first came it on AT&T and I just couldn't pass it up. Now having had it for over a year, and knowing the differences, I would have paid more if I had to. I know that I may have been reluctant to pay more at the time, but it's one of those things where, "Now looking back, I would do it all over again" (but with more money ) if that makes any sense...
I've said this before elsewhere, but here goes again...
I broke my Hermes. If I had not broken it, I would not have upgraded to the Kaiser.
Now, I have a Kaiser and I don't consider it to be vastly better than the Hermes. Perhaps it was the way I use my phone that makes this the case, or perhaps it is that the O2 ROM was the limiting factor. Either way, I don't think it would tempt me to upgrade or renew my contract, so will be onto a rolling 1-month contract until a more exciting handset (am thinking Raphael) turns up.
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This is kind of like going onto the Corvette Club of America forum and saying " I'm thinking of trading my Chevy Malibu for a Corvette, what do you think?" My Tilt is Great. I personally have never experience any of the quirks others have complained about. If you like the new features and upgrade possibilites better. Then do it.
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malibu vs vette is too much of a stretch and you didn't give perspective on both sides as to comparing one to the other.
to answer cyberblue's question:
I have used hermes before though never owned one. to me built in gps is a must and i chose tilt solely because of that. if i were willing to tote a bluetooth gps device, i wouldn't have bothered getting a tilt.
if you can wait a little longer, see if the new upcoming htc devices has all that you like. mind you that infra red is probably not going to be present in newer devices.
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malibu vs vette is too much of a stretch and you didn't give perspective on both sides as to comparing one to the other.
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Seriously ?
I agree with KVD, no offence, but it really isnt much like what you said.
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I agree with KVD, no offence, but it really isnt much like what you said.
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You both totally missed my point, I was not comparing cars. What my point was, was that much like the Corvette Club of America, everyone there has one, everyone is an enthusiast or they would be part of the club and you probably will not get an unbiased opinion if that is what he was looking for?
If he was interested in unbiased reviews he should check the review sites
Again seriously?
i borrowed a friends Centro to use...
MAN the voice quality sucks so bad... i dont know if its because of sprint or just the phone...
just made me appreciate the Tilt so much... now im hearing the new Iphones GPS is a dud... doesnt work properly even if u are in a car... and no turn by turn navigation.. (no tomtom)
maybe The tilt is still the best smart phone out there... besides the diamond.(too expensive)
I actually have both (both at&t) and I must say, I got the centro first since I got the handles on the palm OS...Nice little "entry level" smartphone...I then got the Tilt and had to go through the learning curve a bit because I am new to the windows mobile OS...The Tilt gets my vote except for one little thing that is still plaguing the Tilt...I have TCPMP installed on both phones, and surprisingly the Centro has a more spot on rendering and AV sync than the TILT without even lowering the quality of the videos on the Centro...
my wife upgraded from a 680 to a centro. she loves the centro, i hate the thing. then again, i've never like the palm OS. i tried to get her to get a tilt or a 750, but she says they are too complicated, go figure.
tilt > centro
my $0.02
I also have no idea why people like palm phones.
I currently have a blackberry curve I took in on trade. I am trying to figure out what people like about them. It has the dumbest interface I have ever seen. It seems very simple and intuitive, until you try and actually do something. Everything is hidden amongst menu after confusing menu. It seriously takes a little over 3 minutes to boot up cold. And I complained that my tilt takes a little over 30secs.
I wish the video playback was better on my phone. But the more I play with competing smartphones, the more I realize our HTC WM phone is really the best fit for me.
Now I will admit I am looking at buying a 1st gen Iphone to play with.
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It seems very simple and intuitive, until you try and actually do something.
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Now I will admit I am looking at buying a 1st gen Iphone to play with.
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hopefully, when you say "play", you mean it literally. if you think palm hides things from you, wait till you step into apple country...
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hopefully, when you say "play", you mean it literally. if you think palm hides things from you, wait till you step into apple country...
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Yup..spot on. Apple has redefined the term "HIDE" and "MYSTERY"
The only Apple I love, is the one I eat.
Still love my TyTN II after over 6 months of heavy use, on stock ROM with an 8gb MicroSD HC card filled with tons of EVERYTHING, including several full feature movies, tv shorts, mp3's, pictures, sound clips, ALL my work files, music videos, applications and games galore, Core Player, TCPMP, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, SK Tools, TomTom, Handimap and then some....Apple just cannot compete at the same level.
WOW! I'm surprised only some newbies (based on join date Sep 07 and Feb 08) talk bad about palm. The reason I left palm because it lack of HSDPA, A2DP, and non-upgrade OS.
palm treo/centro screen resolution is 320 x 320 vs. 240 x 320 on many popular PPC/Phone devices. Also, treo keyboard smokes 8125, 8525, 8925 and HP 6xxx. People on palm never complain about video quality if they have a chance to see how tilt (with much more RAM, stronger CPU) perform.
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my wife upgraded from a 680 to a centro. she loves the centro, i hate the thing. then again, i've never like the palm OS. i tried to get her to get a tilt or a 750, but she says they are too complicated, go figure.
tilt > centro
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Actually, goes from 680 to the Centro is not an "upgrade." According to palm, centro is aimed to the newbies. With my experiences, go from treo 90, 300, 600, Wallaby SX56, 650, BlueAngel SX66, Wizard 8125, 680, Hermes 8525, and now Kaiser Tilt 8925, I still find that WM OS way too complicated over palmOS. Recently, WM OS on my Tilt, still lack of some useful essential applications e.g Snapper Mail/ChatterMail, Call Filter/Call Block, Takephone, Butler and PhoneTechnician; especially, callRec, which let you record phone conversations w/o the speaker turn on!
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I also have no idea why people like palm phones.
I currently have a blackberry curve I took in on trade. I am trying to figure out what people like about them. It has the dumbest interface I have ever seen.
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See my reply above why I like palm phones.
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It seems very simple and intuitive, until you try and actually do something.
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What is your "try and actually do something"?
jeffla said:
It seriously takes a little over 3 minutes to boot up cold. And I complained that my tilt takes a little over 30secs.
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Well, I really think that you talk in reverse way! I don't have centro, but still own 680 stiffy loaded. If you seriously want to see how innocent you are, I'll post the clip how my Kaiser Tilt and Treo 680 boot up after a soft reset!
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Now I will admit I am looking at buying a 1st gen Iphone to play with.
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Let us know how great it is once you get it.
I've received a Palm Centro to review and I must tell you that the voice quality of the centro is better than any HTC or windows mobile phone I've ever used so far. The phone wakes and starts ringing immediately unlike (all) windows mobile professional phones who take ~2-4secs just to start ringing.
Yes, the phone does lack important features like wifi(blame palm) and multi-tasking(blame Palm OS), but it is a nice and fast phone.
from my experience even with full signal strenght, the centro's voice quality was muffled... i could barely understand what the other person was saying..
maybe i have been spoilt by using such top phones like Tilt and Tmobile SDA...
by the way, i think the SDA has the best of all sound quality and mic quality. The tilts microphone is not as good as the SDA mic... sound quality, both are excellent.
the centro looks like a kids toy... hehehe when i see people showing off the centro... lol it doesnt look right..... then i pull up my Tilt and they go wow.
im not making fun of Palm but just saying, when u compare Centro and Tilt.. its like comparing Hyatt Hotel to a Motel6.
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i could barely understand what the other person was saying..
The centro looks like a kids toy... hehehe when i see people showing off the centro... lol it doesnt look right..... then i pull up my Tilt and they go wow.
im not making fun of Palm but just saying, when u compare Centro and Tilt.. its like comparing Hyatt Hotel to a Motel6.
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You may want to take some listening classes. Just kidding.
FYI: You can get the Centro now on at&t with as little as $70; meanwhile tilt costs you $200. 3 Centro = 1 tilt!
Centro now sells for $69 at AT&T... it's a low end phone, call quality wise is of course compromised... The design I think is not very appealing... But they now also sells the Tilt for $199 after iPhone 3g came alive...
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i borrowed a friends Centro to use...
MAN the voice quality sucks so bad... i dont know if its because of sprint or just the phone...
just made me appreciate the Tilt so much... now im hearing the new Iphones GPS is a dud... doesnt work properly even if u are in a car... and no turn by turn navigation.. (no tomtom)
maybe The tilt is still the best smart phone out there... besides the diamond.(too expensive)
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WOW! I'm surprised only some newbies (based on join date Sep 07 and Feb 08) talk bad about palm. The reason I left palm because it lack of HSDPA, A2DP, and non-upgrade OS.
palm treo/centro screen resolution is 320 x 320 vs. 240 x 320 on many popular PPC/Phone devices. Also, treo keyboard smokes 8125, 8525, 8925 and HP 6xxx. People on palm never complain about video quality if they have a chance to see how tilt (with much more RAM, stronger CPU) perform.
Actually, goes from 680 to the Centro is not an "upgrade." According to palm, centro is aimed to the newbies. With my experiences, go from treo 90, 300, 600, Wallaby SX56, 650, BlueAngel SX66, Wizard 8125, 680, Hermes 8525, and now Kaiser Tilt 8925, I still find that WM OS way too complicated over palmOS. Recently, WM OS on my Tilt, still lack of some useful essential applications e.g Snapper Mail/ChatterMail, Call Filter/Call Block, Takephone, Butler and PhoneTechnician; especially, callRec, which let you record phone conversations w/o the speaker turn on!
See my reply above why I like palm phones.
What is your "try and actually do something"?
Well, I really think that you talk in reverse way! I don't have centro, but still own 680 stiffy loaded. If you seriously want to see how innocent you are, I'll post the clip how my Kaiser Tilt and Treo 680 boot up after a soft reset!
Let us know how great it is once you get it.
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All my comments were about the blackberry. fwiw. My only comment about the palm was I don't get why people like them. Read a little slower next time before going into details about what you disagree with me about.
I played around with one the other day and I felt dumber as hell after using it. I don't know if uts the simple interface or what. I can't stand the thing and the palm OS. Just makes me feel better now that I got the tilt. Had it since Nov. 2007 and never looking back.
i dont see how anyone can type on the centro... those keys are just too tiny and too close together for me.
I tried to search but couldnt find anything in regards to this... maybe wrong forum...but my question is that since the Fuze has a fast processor and memory, is the Fuze better and more stable than the Tilt?
As anyone compared these two and how do you like it versus the Tilt?
i had the tilt for almost a year, then last week i bought the fuse, and now im gonna return the fuse. i actullly like the tilt better. i didnt notice any preformance difference going to the fuse. im not a fan of the touch flo software.
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i had the tilt for almost a year, then last week i bought the fuse, and now im gonna return the fuse. i actullly like the tilt better. i didnt notice any preformance difference going to the fuse. im not a fan of the touch flo software.
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Bingo, sold my Fuze. I love my Tilt, and with MD2 it's almost the same, and I found the Tilt more responsive. This is just me. I'm not downing the Fuze, I'm just more comfortable with My Baby da Tilt.
Beachboyde
I think it'll come down to a matter of preference. I got my Fuze about 5 days ago. After using it for 2 days I thought about returning it but kept it for the weekend. I got use to it. I really like the VGA screen and it's very responsive. Of course, my Tilt is also responsive and it did everything I needed. I'm going to keep the Fuze.
My recommendation: Get the Fuze, try it for the 30 day period, if you don't like it, return it. Simple.
There is a short video comparing the two.
i was wondering how the optical wheel works (dpad) im considering going over to the fuze but i use xbar and i need to scroll up and down along with right to left..will it work on the fuze?
oh btw how much did you get for it jon?
I've been using the tilt for a year and it works really great and I really like the phone, especially with all the different ROM you can flash to. I just got the fuze for a few days and it looks more elegant than the tilt. Love the vga screen, so much clearer. the touchflo3d is pretty cool, better than the touchflo2d I currently have on my tilt. One thing I really like about the tilt over the fuze are the hardware buttons. The tilt has alot more, especially the START and OK button.
I got the fuze only because I got a good deal for it, if not, I would keep my tilt.
You're right. The lack of hardware buttons on the Fuze is a real issue.
If you're used to programming keys, you'll hate the Fuze. The physical keyboard is also a lot smaller than the Tilt.
I think I'm returning my Fuze.
I had a Fuze for 2 days, then I canceled it and returned it.
I love the tilt way more. The Fuze is cool, because it's something new. I like the diamond back on it, but honestly the Tilt feels better. The touch screen on the Fuze is somewhat.. unresponsive at times.
The tilt, well it tilts. And believe it or not it is a really cool feature.
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The tilt, well it tilts. And believe it or not it is a really cool feature.
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Yes. Winner of thread. I hate how some people consider the Fuze an upgraded version of the Tilt when it scrapped one of the most uniquely fresh and useful feature of the phone.
I had the 8525 before the Tilt and I can't imagine going back to a Tilt-like phone without the tilting action.
I'm using the Tilt for a longtime and satisfied....but
So, if I try out the Fuze, what software issues will I run into with the most popular programs that I use
1. Pocket Informant
2. Spb Mobile Shell
3. what about Wisbar and PocketBreeze
I imagine utilities like backups, memmaid, and Resco products will work?
How about dictionaries, etc
Thanks!
I don't know too much about the technical details, but my experience is this:
Fuze pros:
- Faster
- VGA screen
- Back light that can be used as a flashlight.
- Touch screen FINALLY really reacts when you press on it with your finger.
On the Tilt you had to press really hard and sometimes it didn't work.
- Smaller
- Flat design so you can press easily on the borders.
Fuze cons:
- D-pad is crap. Useless
- Missing hw buttons.
- GPS lag and random disconnects (however I think this can be fixed with custom ROMs)
- Battery doesn't last long (same as before)
Overall I'm happy with my Fuze and I wouldn't get back to the Tilt!!
Hey Guys,
1 quick question. I love my tilt had it for a while and was thinking of getting the fuze but I am looking for a phone with these 2 main features the g-sensor and FM radio. are these availible on the fuze?
the fuze does come with g-sensor and fm radio, but radio needs the headset to be plug in as the antenna.
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the fuze does come with g-sensor and fm radio, but radio needs the headset to be plug in as the antenna.
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On quick one on the FM Radio. The hardware is there but no way to run it. You either have to use a cooked ROM or use the FM Radio cab.
Sorry to drudge up a 3-day old thread, but it was relevant to my question.
I've had an 8525 for a little for a year now, and it's starting to poop out on me. Occasionally the hardware buttons stop working, and while in use the screen with start to completely white out and takes a few minutes for it to come back (though it appears to work perfectly fine despite no usable screen, the touchscreen works).
Instead of attempting to fix it, I am considering upgrading. I have the option to get the Tilt for about 100 bucks, or the Fuze for about 370. I have drooled over the look of the Fuze ever since I read about the touch pro on the web this summer, but the tilt seems like a good phone as well (despite poor reviews). And lots of people seem to love their tilts.
Is the Fuze worth the extra money? I don't really like the Touchflo interface (i tried it on my 8525 for about a week and went back to my standard HTC Home screen). And the tilt seems like an upgrade from the 8525 in all accounts (i rarely watch videos and I don't take pictures with it that need a flash).
Thanks in advance,
-Zeke
ZekeD said:
Sorry to drudge up a 3-day old thread, but it was relevant to my question.
I've had an 8525 for a little for a year now, and it's starting to poop out on me. Occasionally the hardware buttons stop working, and while in use the screen with start to completely white out and takes a few minutes for it to come back (though it appears to work perfectly fine despite no usable screen, the touchscreen works).
Instead of attempting to fix it, I am considering upgrading. I have the option to get the Tilt for about 100 bucks, or the Fuze for about 370. I have drooled over the look of the Fuze ever since I read about the touch pro on the web this summer, but the tilt seems like a good phone as well (despite poor reviews). And lots of people seem to love their tilts.
Is the Fuze worth the extra money? I don't really like the Touchflo interface (i tried it on my 8525 for about a week and went back to my standard HTC Home screen). And the tilt seems like an upgrade from the 8525 in all accounts (i rarely watch videos and I don't take pictures with it that need a flash).
Thanks in advance,
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Personally I think the tilt for $100 is a much better value. The Fuze does have a few upgrades over the tilt (VGA, FM Radio, little faster Processor, mor RAM & ROM Tilt sensor), but not enough to make me spend that much cash on it. The tilt can do just about anything the Fuze can for considerably less.
I REALLY wanted the Fuze when it first came out. But after playing with it in the store I realized I was perfectly happy with my Tilt and might just be better off saving my money and waiting for the next generation of HTC device's to come out next year. If the VGA screen and FM radio (but having to have the wired headset for it to work means I won't use it much) are a must have look hard at the Fuze, if not the Tilt will save you big bucks. If Money is no object, sure get the Fuze... Heck, get both. But Tilt and do all the same stuff.
Now having said that In Feb when my contract is up, I might give in and spring for a Fuze, aslong as closer to the $200 to $250 range. I can't help it I'm a gadget guy. Honestly I shouldn't though. Cash is tight and I'm better served waiting for a phone that will be a bigger leap forward.
I have a Tilt and I really wanted the Fuze to be awesome
wow.... i see there's alot of Fuze hating going on.... and alot of you guys are returning them too.... well, i picked up my Fuze about 2 weeks ago... kept it stock for about half a day before flashing NATF's ROM.... and so far i'm loving it... i guess alot of you are forgetting the crappy video drivers on the Tilt (by the way i also love my Tilt!!!.. despite the horrible video drivers)... the VGA on the Fuze is absolutely beautiful... even the poorest quality videos on Youtube Play look High-Res, Movies look stunning, and Camera is extremely nice... especially love the People, Photos, and Weather tabs alot more on TouchFlo 3D compared to 2D...
yes,...the overall speed needs improvement,... but that will change as better ROMs start coming out... and Skyfire needs to hurry up and make a release with High-Res.... but it give it time.... personally i don't think that 30 days is enough to play with the Fuze... it's still a relatively brand new phone.... eventually we'll start seeing some amazing applications and even better ROMs.... this phone has the pontential to be really great... it's every thing the Tilt is.... and sssoooo much more
Ok. So like most others in this thread I am debating between the ATT Tilt and Fuze. I believe the Tilt still has some power yet to be unlocked. HOWEVER! The camera is crappy compared to the 8525 that I had before. what were they thinking? How is the camera on the Fuze compared? I have a new baby girl and pictures are important to me now. Not to mention that fact that the Fuze has more speed (On paper at least) and twice the memory. I am just asking because I may be given the option to get a fuze with no money out of pocket. I too however have learned to love my tilt. It was an amazing phone if only it had all the proper drivers.