I hestitate to start a new thread to ask this, but I just spent 5 hours reading the Wizard forums and didn't find anything useful. So here goes . . .
I recently upgraded to Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic
(thanks, summiter). I'm happy with everything except the behavior of the password protection.
With the original ROM, I had it set (and don't remember what setting did it) so that I would only be prompted for a password when the device was coming out of standby mode (i.e. when I press the power button to turn the screen back on). Most of the time, I would put the device in "protected mode" by manually pressing the power button, but I also had "turn off after 5 minutes when running on battery" set, so if I left it sitting somewhere, it would go into "protected mode" in a few minutes.
With the new ROM, I've tried setting the "prompt if device unused for" setting to "0 minutes" (the setting I seem to recall I had used with the old ROM), which DOES cause the device to prompt for a password whenever I turn it on, but it also causes the password prompt to appear after 1 minute of idle time. If I use a longer setting, then I don't get the password prompt while the device is on, but when I turned off, and back on again, it doesn't prompt for a password.
I'm not dealing with a high security situation here. I just want a simple way to keep my kids and other prying eyes from accessing the PDA function, with a way for me to force it into locked mode, and some kind of time out for when I set the phone down and forget to lock it.
Is there a way to change my current ROM to get the old behavior? Is there some other program I should use instead of the one built-in to the OS?
Thanks.
Seconding this request. I've been looking for a solution to the same problem.
The password behaviour in the AKU2 ROMs are a real PITA - especially if you use SatNav without first switching off the password protection.
Unfortunately this is down to the implemenation by Microsoft so don't hold your breath for this to be "fixed".
Here's my solution so far:
I bought a copy of Pocket Secure 3.0 for $14
Website: http://www.TotalPocketPC.com
Support: http://www.4winmobile.com/-pocket-secure-support-vf25.html
I associated the progam with the Press and Hold voice button (I don't use voice recording), so when I want to force lock the phone, I just press and hold the button.
Using this program, I've left Media Player and/or TCPMP running in the background, "locked" the phone, and then carried it around in my case without any problems.
The "lock screen" displays battery level and a nice big clock. Since I don't wear a watch, 50% or more of the time, when I'm turning my phone "on" (i.e. switch out of standby mode), it's just to see what time it is.
I've done my searching and havent really came up with much. Does anyone know how to disable sleep mode? Not just when on a call, i mean altogether? I just want to be able to touch a button and the screen "wakes" up. i hate hitting the power button all the time. If I'm not mistaken, programs like Kaiser Tweaks and Advanced Config just changes how LONG it takes to go into sleep mode.
not sure about kaiser but all my htc pda's got settings->power->advanced and unchecking
the turn device off checkbox
seem to do the trick
only thing there is battery power: "do not turn off device if not used for more than..." and the most is only 5 mins.
and on external power its "do not turn off device if not used for more than..." and 30 mins is the most.
i know sleep mode is a battery power saving tool but there has got to be a way to choose whether you want to use it or not.
There's also Settings> System> Key Lock. There is an option to not lock any buttons.
I charge my phone each night, and each night the screen turns itself on, so I turn it off and later it turns back on, so I turn it off, then later it turns back on, so I turn it off, then it's time to get up... so I turn it on
I'm not getting calls in the night, data streams, messages... anything that should activate the phone. It just seems to like to turn the screen on.
Anyone else? Can I do something about it?
Thanks
I am assuming you are charging it with the USB plugged to the computer?
Not sure if it was designed to be like that, or a bug in the firmware, or a design flaw, it seems like when plugged to the computer this would happen.
Haven't really tested it out myself tho. (but the screen doesn't seem to turn on when plugged to the wall charger, although I can't verify yet )
The screen does not turn off when charging using the wall charger.
twosix said:
The screen does not turn off when charging using the wall charger.
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manually turn off, boleh?
check the power setting btw, settings > system > power, i believe it's turn off device is unchecked for power
zenkinz said:
manually turn off, boleh?
check the power setting btw, settings > system > power, i believe it's turn off device is unchecked for power
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even if the option is checked, the backlight will still be turned on. It will just dim to minimum level when the time is reached.
Yep there are four settings in that window that will help solve this problem
The manual workaround of clicking the power button to turn off the screen works for me. You might have installed software on your x1 that activates the screen every so often?
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even if the option is checked, the backlight will still be turned on. It will just dim to minimum level when the time is reached.
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no, if you checked, it'll be turned off.
now a slight OOT, but when X1 playback musics it is also always turn on the screen, is there a fix for that?
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no, if you checked, it'll be turned off.
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Have you tried it on an X1? What ROM version are you using? I have tried it using "GENERIC_UK" rom
Here's my setting at "Setting" > "System" > "Power" > "Advanced" (during charging with USB cable through a PC):
On battery power:
Turn off backlight if device is not used for [ 30 sec ]
Turn off device if not used for [ 1 min ]
On external power:
Turn off backlight if device is not used for [ 1 min ]
Turn off device if not used for [ 2 min ]
Result:backlight dim (but still on) after 1 min, and keeps in dim status afterward (say 5 hours)... NEVER TURN OFF...
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no, if you checked, it'll be turned off.
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actually I did some testing before, that even with the options checked to turn off device on external power, when it is plugged to a computer it will not actually turn off the device, but this option will turn off the device when the external power source is the AC power adapter.
Again perhaps a design flow or bug (someone was saying it could be by design so that when say transferring a file from the computer it won't cut off), who knows?
ahlok_hk said:
Have you tried it on an X1? What ROM version are you using? I have tried it using "GENERIC_UK" rom
Here's my setting at "Setting" > "System" > "Power" > "Advanced" (during charging with USB cable through a PC):
On battery power:
Turn off backlight if device is not used for [ 30 sec ]
Turn off device if not used for [ 1 min ]
On external power:
Turn off backlight if device is not used for [ 1 min ]
Turn off device if not used for [ 2 min ]
Result:backlight dim (but still on) after 1 min, and keeps in dim status afterward (say 5 hours)... NEVER TURN OFF...
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on external power, the screen will dim, but not switch off. To off it, just press the power on/off button. the X1 will continue to be charged though.
twosix said:
on external power, the screen will dim, but not switch off. To off it, just press the power on/off button. the X1 will continue to be charged though.
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To manually press the power on/off everytime is very inconvinent. You cannot press it at once coz it will auto wake up during the start of sync process. You have to wait for about 2 seconds before pressing the power off button to turn the backlight off...
Moreover, when there is a phone call/SMS the backlight turns on again and you have to press the power off again... I would rather like the backlight to turn COMPLETELY off as the option at Power settings imply (which is the behaviour of my Tytn)...
Bumping this thread up as it has the exact same unresolved issue as http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561832 but the title is better and it clearly states that all the standard options have been tried.
stisev said:
Weird. When I'm connected to Pc, it dims the screen, it does not shut it off. Also, it does NOT auto-shut of screen after the 2 minutes specific in the Power options
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Yep, I've had 5 different WinMo devices since '05 and they all worked as expected except the X1. I like to use it as an MP3 player at night, Pocket Player has a sleep timer built in so I just like to leave it running as I drift off most nights. But if I do anything, change the volume, rewind, anything at all the screen comes back on and stays on until I hit some other button to turn it back off. All my other devices obeyed the settings you set in the Power tab, but not the X1...
I'd very much like the screen to auto-off if I tell it to while on USB power. It's not only wasting power, but it wakes me up and gets me fumbling for the tiny power button at 2 in the morning. Any fix would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Peter
To manually press the power on/off everytime is very inconvinent. You cannot press it at once coz it will auto wake up during the start of sync process. You have to wait for about 2 seconds before pressing the power off button to turn the backlight off...
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ummm, 2 seconds is very inconvenient???? darn, are you an air traffic control cadet? btw its not the sync process you wait for, its the usb connection (like any usb drive) that must be established
i plug mine in, then hit the power button, thats it... be honest with ya, i cant see whats the problem of pressing the power button after plugging in the cord...i really cant see it, i would understand if there was a case that the power button was not turning off the screen...i guess its just me, but i dont see the fuss
For me personally I'm not syncing, I'm using it plugged into the wall, and any time I hit any control the screen turns on and has to be manually turned off. It even seems to turn on randomly after I did turn it off. It'd be great if there was some fix for this...
pdamouse said:
For me personally I'm not syncing, I'm using it plugged into the wall, and any time I hit any control the screen turns on and has to be manually turned off. It even seems to turn on randomly after I did turn it off. It'd be great if there was some fix for this...
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can you try start - settings - system tab - keylock? make sure that the first option is checked "wake up device by pressing the power button"...that should solve the waking up part anytime you hit any control...
joecruz said:
can you try start - settings - system tab - keylock? make sure that the first option is checked "wake up device by pressing the power button"...that should solve the waking up part anytime you hit any control...
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Thanks for your reply joe, the only problem is I do want it to wake if I hit a button - otherwise the button has no effect. So if I'm listening to an MP3 at 2am and I've pressed the power button to turn off the display, if I want to stop the MP3 playback I hit the 'center' button twice, once to wake the device and once to stop playback. Or I might hit the up/down toggle to change the volume or the right/left toggle to fast-forward/rewind. I like the screen coming up in all these cases - but after a minute or so I'd also like the screen to turn off, as it does when on battery mode and on any other WM device I've used.
Having to hit the power button again after every action, or in your case before and after - unfortunately that is not user friendly... I have all the settings in the Power menu set as I want them with "On External Power: turn off backlight if device is not used for: 1 minute" checked and set - It would be great if there was some way to find out what Sony did to break this core Windows Mobile functionality and if there is some way to fix it...
Thanks,
Peter
Registry Fix Created
Ok, I think I have a fix for this. I googled around some more and found that this might be an HTC problem more than an SE one. There were various registry keys people suggested to try to fix the 'backlight problem' - which may or may not be related. None of those suggestions seemed to work, but I kept changing keys myself and eventually found this seemed to do the trick.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts\ACUserIdle: 120
I confirmed that changing this value affects the amount of time before my X1's screen turns off - but my MP3s still play with the screen off and my phone wakes on receipt of a new call. This value is the # of seconds before the screen turns itself off (in this case 2 minutes). You do need to soft reset for the change to take effect.
This doesn't seem to be posted anywhere else that I've found doing this to fix this issue issue - I changed a few other registry keys as well that might be enabling this fix. So anyone with this problem, please do give this a try and if it doesn't work I'll post the other keys I changed as well - and if it does then post to say so and we're good
Peter
Update: I tested it also while hooked up to the computer and it does work with the phone accessible through active sync with the screen off and the battery charging (faster now that it isn't competing with the screen for power, except for the 2 minutes before it times out). If I want to use it I just click a button and the screen stays on till I leave it alone for 2 mins and it remains off. Get a call or a message and the screen goes on for 2 minutes and then off - Exact same behaviour on AC and USB - exactly the behaviour I wanted
spot on!!!
pdamouse said:
Ok, I think I have a fix... this seemed to do the trick.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts\ACUserIdle: 120
Just wanted to confirm that this is spot on. I had an issue with the screen dimming but not turning off when plugged in or on battery. I modified the following and all is well.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts\BattUserIdle: 20
Thanks pdamouse
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I always have to manually press the side button to put it in "sleep" mode. My settings in the phone says to do it after 4 minutes but all it does it barely dim it down. Is there a fix to actually make it "auto sleep" or at least turn off the screen if not used within a time (again setting it under back light nor phone doesn't seem to work). Thanks
There're actually 2 functions: Backlight Dim and Power off (Sleep). It also depends on your ROM. If you use OEM (default factory), the option should be checked for both Backlight and Power. Try it out.
Further reading your manual should help .. or you can try the Kaiser Wiki here .. do a google, do a search ..
Hi all,
I frequently charge my X1i through USB. There are 2 problems with this method, however.
1) The device goes into USB drive mode, disabling my SD card apps (I keep them on SD card AT ALL TIMES due to frequent backups/restores)
2) Screen does not turn off! while connected to computer! The screen only dims, but does not turn off.
WITHOUT resorting to a) plugging into wall outlet b) connecting to Activesync, is there any to fix these behaviors?
Thanks!
just let it go into activesync mode, that way you can still access your files on your phone and micro sd card from both your pc and phone. And if you dont like the screen not turning off, they just change the settings or just press the power button, to shut off the display.
I know about the power setting, but when your computer is connected to the computer via USB, it refuses to turn off the screen (only dims it)
what? one simple button press and the screen is off. the device is still visible to the pc. I do it all the time - r3a generic uk rom.
in power options u can set after what time it disables screen... default is never
what? one simple button press and the screen is off. the device is still visible to the pc. I do it all the time - r3a generic uk rom.
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Weird. When I'm connected to Pc, it dims the screen, it does not shut it off. Also, it does NOT auto-shut of screen after the 2 minutes specific in the Power options
You can also use "safely remove devices" to disconnect the data connection from the phone, it'll still charge.
There's nothing we can do AUTO. But like said before, a simple pression on the power button will do it, or you can use My Mobiler and press F11 on your PC.
stisev said:
Weird. When I'm connected to Pc, it dims the screen, it does not shut it off. Also, it does NOT auto-shut of screen after the 2 minutes specific in the Power options
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Yep, I've had 5 different WinMo devices since '05 and they all worked as expected except the X1. I like to use it as an MP3 player at night, Pocket Player has a sleep timer built in so I just like to leave it running as I drift off most nights. But if I do anything, change the volume, rewind, anything at all the screen comes back on and stays on until I hit some other button to turn it back off. All my other devices obeyed the settings you set in the Power tab, but not the X1...
I'd very much like the screen to auto-off if I tell it to while on USB power. It's not only wasting power, but it wakes me up and gets me fumbling for the tiny power button at 2 in the morning. Any fix would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Peter
I bumped up thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561832 Since it has a better title and shows the exact same unresolved issue...
Reg Fix
Adding this potential fix here as well so anyone subscribed to this thread sees it.
Ok, I think I have a fix for this. I googled around some more and found that this might be an HTC problem more than an SE one. There were various registry keys people suggested to try to fix the 'backlight problem' - which may or may not be related. None of those suggestions seemed to work, but I kept changing keys myself and eventually found this seemed to do the trick.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts\ACUserIdle: 120
I confirmed that changing this value affects the amount of time before my X1's screen turns off - but my MP3s still play with the screen off and my phone wakes on receipt of a new call. This value is the # of seconds before the screen turns itself off (in this case 2 minutes). You do need to soft reset for the change to take effect.
This doesn't seem to be posted anywhere else that I've found doing this to fix this issue issue - I changed a few other registry keys as well that might be enabling this fix. So anyone with this problem, please do give this a try and if it doesn't work I'll post the other keys I changed as well - and if it does then post to say so and we're good
Peter
Update: I tested it also while hooked up to the computer and it does work with the phone accessible through active sync with the screen off and the battery charging (faster now that it isn't competing with the screen for power, except for the 2 minutes before it times out). If I want to use it I just click a button and the screen stays on till I leave it alone for 2 mins and it remains off. Get a call or a message and the screen goes on for 2 minutes and then off - Exact same behaviour on AC and USB - exactly the behaviour I wanted .