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i'm gonna root my phone tomorrow and i wanted to know i got a 8gb card and i want to keep 2gb for storing apps and games...how do i allocate that space? does it automaticaly become open or do i have to allocate space
you have to partition the sd card once you've finished the root process. most of the current recovery images have the ability to do so built in. by the way, 2gb is a hell of a lot more than you're going to need for apps and games unless you're planning on installing 500+ apps. I have close to 100 apps and 10 or so games on my G1 and I'm using maybe 250mb.
kusotare said:
you have to partition the sd card once you've finished the root process. most of the current recovery images have the ability to do so built in. by the way, 2gb is a hell of a lot more than you're going to need for apps and games unless you're planning on installing 500+ apps. I have close to 100 apps and 10 or so games on my G1 and I'm using maybe 250mb.
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oh ok thanx...i want to keep 2gb space so that my phone doesnt become slow
djteotancolis said:
oh ok thanx...i want to keep 2gb space so that my phone doesnt become slow
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However something about the way apps2sd is implemented makes the phone slow if you allocate a huge ext2/3/4 partition think absolute Max at about 610mb. Regardless of SD size.
ezterry said:
However something about the way apps2sd is implemented makes the phone slow if you allocate a huge ext2/3/4 partition think absolute Max at about 610mb. Regardless of SD size.
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thank you for the information i didnt know that
a large sized partition for apps will not make your phone any faster. depending on what ROM you choose to install, having a third partition for swap will make it faster. however, there are roms out at the moment (like cyanogen's latest) that do not recommend using swap because of how aggressively it will be used if implemented. in other words, some roms swap is bad because it will suck the life out of your sd card like a damn vampire, and not one of the gay sparkly ones from twilight.
Here's the scoop, I have a rooted N1 and flashed, Froyo Vanilla AOSP 2.2 for N1, which I picked up from ChrisSoyars Twitter feed. It works wonderful, but my available storage is 152MB....is this correct?? When I bought the phone I had 181MB of available storage or something close to that. I don't have any apps installed and that is why I find this kinda odd>>>>>>I just saw that FB, Google Voice, Twitter and Google Goggles are installed, but this still doesn't look right.
So, though the N1 claims it has 512MB storage we can only use 200MB of it???
And why do I have less now than before??
Can anyone help clear this up for me....
Thank you.
You seem to be getting your jargon confused.
bane126 said:
So, though the N1 claims it has 512MB storage we can only use 200MB of it???
And why do I have less now than before??
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Are you talking about memory or storage? The N1 shipped with 512MB of memory, of which only about 256MB was accessible. With the Froyo update you will have access to all of your 512MB of memory finally.
The 200MB you're talking about seems to be the internal storage. That will be different after updating because different OS images are different sizes. Also your internal space will vary with the size of various application caches. Nothing to worry about.
pfmiller said:
You seem to be getting your jargon confused.
Are you talking about memory or storage? The N1 shipped with 512MB of memory, of which only about 256MB was accessible. With the Froyo update you will have access to all of your 512MB of memory finally.
The 200MB you're talking about seems to be the internal storage. That will be different after updating because different OS images are different sizes. Also your internal space will vary with the size of various application caches. Nothing to worry about.
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You actually have your jargon confused
N1 shipped with 512mb RAM and 512mb ROM
The 512mb RAM is not what hes talking about. There is 512mb of storage but only some of that is available to install apps with
storage requires a type of memory. flash memory. -_-
RAM = memory
Flash = memory
As for the question, the 512mb storage is split for system files and applications. you only have that much space for applications
Yeah, flash is technically a type of memory but it's not a good idea to call it just memory without elaboration because by default "memory" refers to volatile memory.
Okay, so now that I am on Froyo I should have 512MB of memory aKa RAM available as opposed to the 256MB of RAM that Eclair was allowed to use?? And the reason I have 152MB of internal storage is because of the OS and the applications are eating into the 512MB of internal storage the phone shipped with??
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Yeah, flash is technically a type of memory but it's not a good idea to call it just memory without elaboration because by default "memory" refers to volatile memory.
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it does not default to volatile memory. its all a matter of context. his context clearly indicated that he was referring to his onboard storage lol
its just that the general population doesnt care to make a distinction haha
bane126 said:
Okay, so now that I am on Froyo I should have 512MB of memory aKa RAM available as opposed to the 256MB of RAM that Eclair was allowed to use?? And the reason I have 152MB of internal storage is because of the OS and the applications are eating into the 512MB of internal storage the phone shipped with??
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yes your exactly right. the storage is split up into chunks. only one piece is dedicated to apps
Thank you for clearing this up.
So I just installed Froyo FRF85B and well, I have a couple issues. First off, the boot up now seems to take almost 10 minutes, second off, I went into Froyo with 50 megs free, and I came out with 50 megs free as well.
My understanding is Froyo should have freed up more memory for me. Anyone have any ideas?
Who told you Froyo would free up space? It might clear out your cache, but that's about it.
ATnTdude said:
Who told you Froyo would free up space? It might clear out your cache, but that's about it.
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Eclair didn't have access to the full 512 ram. The people who had installed prerelease Froyo reported more available internal ram. I also have more available running memory as well. Went from 30 megs to 250 megs of available application memory. Which is kind of useless if I can't install that much in programs.
naturefreak85 said:
So I just installed Froyo FRF85B and well, I have a couple issues. First off, the boot up now seems to take almost 10 minutes, second off, I went into Froyo with 50 megs free, and I came out with 50 megs free as well.
My understanding is Froyo should have freed up more memory for me. Anyone have any ideas?
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1st boot always takes a while
flybyme said:
1st boot always takes a while
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Any viewpoint on the free memory? And it was the 2nd and 3rd boots that seemed to take forever.
naturefreak85 said:
Eclair didn't have access to the full 512 ram. The people who had installed prerelease Froyo reported more available internal ram. I also have more available running memory as well. Went from 30 megs to 250 megs of available application memory. Which is kind of useless if I can't install that much in programs.
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get your terms right else you will confuse people. memory can be rom or ram
rom hasnt been changed. available ram has been increased. your rom is whats used for installing applications. ram has no effect on available storage
Problems!
I just got the T-mobile update to FRF85B but I am still having problems playing WAV files from an exchange account. Can someone please test theirs and see if they are able to listen to WAV files? I get the message:
"Sorry, the player does not support this type of audio file."
Btw, it worked fine on Android 2.1.
Also, whenever I get notifications, the pulse notification light is only flashing a white LED and not repeatedly.
astroblack said:
Also, whenever I get notifications, the pulse notification light is only flashing a white LED and not repeatedly.
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this is controlled by applications. froyo brings colored trackballs, but only if apps support it
I had trouble with swype saying that it's not compatible with my device. But got it to work after I re installed swype and rebooted.
flybyme said:
get your terms right else you will confuse people. memory can be rom or ram
rom hasnt been changed. available ram has been increased. your rom is whats used for installing applications. ram has no effect on available storage
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Really? ROM is where I install my applications? Are you sure? I install my applications in READ ONLY Memory? That would be wrong. The ROM is where the actual firmware is stored, not where applications are stored.
That's because it's EEPROM, that is, Electronically Erasable and Programmable Read Only Memory.
Just because it can be flashed with new data doesn't make it Random Access though.
ChronoReverse said:
That's because it's EEPROM, that is, Electronically Erasable and Programmable Read Only Memory.
Just because it can be flashed with new data doesn't make it Random Access though.
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Right and that is used for the actual OS not for the application storage. When people put say Cyanogen on their devices it is using the ROM (as far as my understanding) the RAM is used for the application storage and the memory for running applications. My issue was resolved when I wiped out my device, gave me access to 180 MB and still left nearly 250 of memory for running applications.
From what I can tell the RAM is split between the program storage and the running application memory.
ok buddy. you know what your talking about....
naturefreak85 said:
Right and that is used for the actual OS not for the application storage. When people put say Cyanogen on their devices it is using the ROM (as far as my understanding) the RAM is used for the application storage and the memory for running applications. My issue was resolved when I wiped out my device, gave me access to 180 MB and still left nearly 250 of memory for running applications.
From what I can tell the RAM is split between the program storage and the running application memory.
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The RAM is the memory programs run in. RAM is volatile and will lose its contents when power is cut. You certainly don't lose your programs if you pull out your battery.
I shouldn't have said EEPROM actually. The Application Storage is actually flash-type memory, the same kind used in SD cards for instance.
So there are three basic parts: ROM, 512MB internal flash (+ external flash) and 512MB RAM. HOWEVER, it's possible part of the flash is used as the ROM.
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The RAM is the memory programs run in. RAM is volatile and will lose its contents when power is cut. You certainly don't lose your programs if you pull out your battery.
I shouldn't have said EEPROM actually. The Application Storage is actually flash-type memory, the same kind used in SD cards for instance.
So there are three basic parts: ROM, 512MB internal flash (+ external flash) and 512MB RAM. HOWEVER, it's possible part of the flash is used as the ROM.
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flash memory is still a type of EEPROM lol
@OP read these articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_access_memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_memory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-volatile_memory
naturefreak85 said:
Really? ROM is where I install my applications? Are you sure? I install my applications in READ ONLY Memory? That would be wrong. The ROM is where the actual firmware is stored, not where applications are stored.
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yes he is exactly right. the nexus has 512 mb of RAM and 512 mb of ROM. the 512 of ROM is where the OS, your installed apps, and user data all gets installed. the 512 mb of RAM is active memory that runs the apps. you cannot install apps to the RAM, it is volatile as said above. you sure can install apps to the 512 mb ROM though, and that is exactly the way the nexus works. any app you have installed to your phone goes on the 512 mb of ROM. the OS takes up some of that, so when you check in your settings, you only see like 180mb left or so on a fresh factory install with no apps yet installed. as you install apps, that amount goes down as you use it up.
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Yes but it works differently from traditional (or rather, the original) EEPROM so I wanted to distinguish it.
In short
RAM = the place where all processes running. OS will load the apps/programs to RAM before it can processed by CPU, and at this stage it called processes.
From 512MB RAM, typical N1's Froyo's stock kernel can access up to 394MB of RAM. Here is the dmesg ouput f
Code:
<6>[ 0.000000] Memory: 128MB 91MB 175MB = 394MB total
<5>[ 0.000000] Memory: 394360KB available (3936K code, 971K data, 120K init,
272384K highmem)
How many processes can be run at the same time are limited to the RAM availability.
ROM = the place where the apps/progs being stored. Same thing as we stored/installed programs/apps in hard disk drive.
in N1, "ROM" is just a flash memory, similar to usb thumb drive. The contents always available even if you powered your device down. Yeah, apps also can be stored into microSD card.
How many apps you can install are limited to how may free spaces left in your storage, ie, "ROM" and SD card.
Thank you.
I have frf85b for att version (using for vodcom in Tanzania) but my tether doesn't work. I can see the network and connect but no internet. I think its DNS problem because my computer can ping the internet but nothing past that.
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I have frf85b for att version (using for vodcom in Tanzania) but my tether doesn't work. I can see the network and connect but no internet. I think its DNS problem because my computer can ping the internet but nothing past that.
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Mine was doing the same thing at first. Then I opened the browser on my phone to check that the 3G connection was working, and suddenly the computer had access too. It might have just been a coincidence...
I love my Windows Phone a lot. Everything about it is just great. Size of the screen, resolution, Music+Videos hub, Office etc etc.
But, there is an issue. A very serious one. Memory Management.
Recently, Nokia launched an exclusive N.O.A.V 3 FREE version for India for a limited time. I couldn't get it, in spite of being in India AND having a WP8. Why? Low Memory.
I wanted Asphalt 7, as it is really low priced (lower than Asphalt 5) but I can't get it. Why? Low Memory.
Tumblr is a great looking app. Lovely Live Tiles, but...BUT, at a cost. Memory.
I have deleted a lot many apps as I don't need them anymore or were just plain bad. But it has left a permanent mark on the OS. It has consumed space which a deleted app should release when deleted. But no. I still see the app name, with the memory consumed. So, those bytes are now rendered useless. Again, the same problem, Memory.
I would really appreciate any help to free those used bytes so that I can get on with my life and get better apps. I am now even scared to the extent I don't download apps I know I won't be using after a while.
What a gorgeous OS, what a great user friendly UI, how beautifully smooth and fast, but all comes down to one very basic and fundamental flaw. Memory.
And no, I am not hard-resetting my phone.
I thought asphalt 7 was available for 512mb devices...
http://www.wpcentral.com/asphalt-7-heat-updated-reduces-file-size
GH0ST DR0NE said:
I love my Windows Phone a lot. Everything about it is just great. Size of the screen, resolution, Music+Videos hub, Office etc etc.
But, there is an issue. A very serious one. Memory Management.
Recently, Nokia launched an exclusive N.O.A.V 3 FREE version for India for a limited time. I couldn't get it, in spite of being in India AND having a WP8. Why? Low Memory.
I wanted Asphalt 7, as it is really low priced (lower than Asphalt 5) but I can't get it. Why? Low Memory.
Tumblr is a great looking app. Lovely Live Tiles, but...BUT, at a cost. Memory.
I have deleted a lot many apps as I don't need them anymore or were just plain bad. But it has left a permanent mark on the OS. It has consumed space which a deleted app should release when deleted. But no. I still see the app name, with the memory consumed. So, those bytes are now rendered useless. Again, the same problem, Memory.
I would really appreciate any help to free those used bytes so that I can get on with my life and get better apps. I am now even scared to the extent I don't download apps I know I won't be using after a while.
What a gorgeous OS, what a great user friendly UI, how beautifully smooth and fast, but all comes down to one very basic and fundamental flaw. Memory.
And no, I am not hard-resetting my phone.
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If you're referring to the low RAM of your phone, you may try this,
Thanks,
I... *think* he means storage (not RAM).
I don't know what he means about "It has consumed space which a deleted app should release when deleted. But no. I still see the app name, with the memory consumed"; that part makes no sense. Deleted apps are removed and consume no storage on the phone. It's not even like "normal" Windows where installed programs occasionally don't clean up after themselves; the app manager on WP takes care of all installation and removal, and there's nothing left after it does so.
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I... *think* he means storage (not RAM).
I don't know what he means about "It has consumed space which a deleted app should release when deleted. But no. I still see the app name, with the memory consumed"; that part makes no sense. Deleted apps are removed and consume no storage on the phone. It's not even like "normal" Windows where installed programs occasionally don't clean up after themselves; the app manager on WP takes care of all installation and removal, and there's nothing left after it does so.
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I was referring to memory and NOT RAM. And sorry, my bad, when I uninstalled the Bloomberg App, I still saw it in the Storage Check app consuming memory. But it isn't there today. I removed the Flikr Wallpaper app and it was gone in no time from the Storage Check app.
But, why isn't my Free Space increasing? It still says 1.5 GB free in spite of many apps removed. Also, there is a very mysterious 'Other' category eating up about 978 MB. And even Temp Files dont go all the way down to zero. If I say 'clear' to Temp Files when it is 500MB, after clearing its 388 MB.
I need to empty some space man.
GH0ST DR0NE said:
I was referring to memory and NOT RAM. And sorry, my bad, when I uninstalled the Bloomberg App, I still saw it in the Storage Check app consuming memory. But it isn't there today. I removed the Flikr Wallpaper app and it was gone in no time from the Storage Check app.
But, why isn't my Free Space increasing? It still says 1.5 GB free in spite of many apps removed. Also, there is a very mysterious 'Other' category eating up about 978 MB. And even Temp Files dont go all the way down to zero. If I say 'clear' to Temp Files when it is 500MB, after clearing its 388 MB.
I need to empty some space man.
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Have you tried Shrink Storage App, and try to delete the search history.
Addition: IMO, if you are installing a large app and was interrupted and never continued the installation, the portion you initially downloaded remain on your phone. Its hard to remove that file.
FYI, that Other on storage is a windows bug.
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"RAM" is Random Access Memory, and is commonly just called memory. If you want to refer to persistent storage, you should generally use another term. NAND (for NAND Flash, the type of storage used in phones), Flash, SSD, HDD (technically inaccurate for a phone but not confusing), or simply "storage" are all good options for what you apparently meant.
Most apps are tiny (less than 5 megs, often under 1 meg) and removing them will not affect your free space noticably. Larger apps should be more visible, though it may take a few minutes for the app manager to finish cleaning up after them. As for "Other", that's mostly stuff like the local email cache (reduce the number of folders you sync and how long you store mail for to reduce this value) and downloaded files and so on.
To be honest I will never buy a phone with less than 16GB storage, 8GB or even 4GB on WP8 is just a joke, Never had this problem with my WP7 Lumia.
The other storage issue is a problem which will hopefully be rectified in an upcoming update, Even with 32 GB on my Lumia I still have nearly 1GB other storage after using Storage Check/Clean up, I believe it is from uploading pics to Sky Drive and of course other temp stuff but it would be great to be able to free this space, Fingers crossed it will get sorted soon
AndyFZ1S said:
To be honest I will never buy a phone with less than 16GB storage, 8GB or even 4GB on WP8 is just a joke, Never had this problem with my WP7 Lumia.
The other storage issue is a problem which will hopefully be rectified in an upcoming update, Even with 32 GB on my Lumia I still have nearly 1GB other storage after using Storage Check/Clean up, I believe it is from uploading pics to Sky Drive and of course other temp stuff but it would be great to be able to free this space, Fingers crossed it will get sorted soon
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Exactly, less than 8gb WP8 will be useless if other on storage will not be fixed.
Some news says that the other on storage will have an improvement on this coming GDR2 update, I doubt that it will be totally fixed, since they say that its just an improvement.
I think No, I did'nt use skydrive, but the other on storage, grew up to almost 1gb.
History on Internet Explorer/Search also contributes to the growth of the Other on storage, deleting history may free up a 100mb/wk on my WP.
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My 521 has 8gb and still has like 3gbs of space left. I have a bunch of games and a couple of albums on the SD card.
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I have the Project Fi version of the X4 and I have not found any way to move apps from internal memory to the memory card that I put in the phone. Am I missing something? I even enabled the Developer options and switched on the "Force allow apps on external", but it didn't make any difference...
Force encrypt makes all apps stay on internal memory. Once we can remove encryption, it should be possible.
You need more than 32GB for apps? I know the system takes up almost half of it, but you still need 16GB of apps? What are you running?
crazyates said:
You need more than 32GB for apps? I know the system takes up almost half of it, but you still need 16GB of apps? What are you running?
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I wondered the same thing. Unless the apps load faster from a high speed sdcard. That many apps is going to have so much stuff running in background it would be crazy.
souleman said:
I wondered the same thing. Unless the apps load faster from a high speed sdcard. That many apps is going to have so much stuff running in background it would be crazy.
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I have the same question. I want to put some of my 600+ audible audio books and I also want to put movies on sd card via the playon cloud app. Seems crazy to me to clutter up internal memory with stuff like that.