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video playback, cpu to slow?

I replaced my qtek2020 (400mhz) with the tytn2. With my qtek i was able to play almost anything (divx with high bitrate, vcd files, streaming 800kbps video over activesync) . The tytn2 seems to be to weak to play these files.
www.streamingpda.nl --> humortv (800kbps) stutters.
Divx --> without reencoding stutters.
Does anybody know a solution, please help, its the only thing i am dissapointed in with my new baby.
thx

anybody?
Ok, maybe no one has a solution but can somebody confirm that he has the same problem?

eska007 said:
I replaced my qtek2020 (400mhz) with the tytn2. With my qtek i was able to play almost anything (divx with high bitrate, vcd files, streaming 800kbps video over activesync) . The tytn2 seems to be to weak to play these files.
www.streamingpda.nl --> humortv (800kbps) stutters.
Divx --> without reencoding stutters.
Does anybody know a solution, please help, its the only thing i am dissapointed in with my new baby.
thx
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Perhaps you could tell us what you are attempting to play these with.

eska007 said:
I replaced my qtek2020 (400mhz) with the tytn2. With my qtek i was able to play almost anything (divx with high bitrate, vcd files, streaming 800kbps video over activesync) . The tytn2 seems to be to weak to play these files.
www.streamingpda.nl --> humortv (800kbps) stutters.
Divx --> without reencoding stutters.
Does anybody know a solution, please help, its the only thing i am dissapointed in with my new baby.
thx
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I went to the site you reproted and saw the same problem. The video seems to play ok for about 20 seconds and then goes in to a jerky frame mode. The sound is still clear though.
Oddly, I went to the windows media site from the windows media player that this site seems to demand and watched some clips there that played flawlessly.
Might it have to do with the way your site is encoding their stuff?
I am a noob but the windows media player offers almost no options to fiddle with to try to make things better. How to force the video to play with TCPMP?

I tried windows media player (not a lot of options indeed) , tcpmp (the latest version) and Makayama liveTv. They all sem to have the same problem. It is ok if the bitrate is below 500 kbps. I am giong to try that windows media site.

I'm having the same problem. As the video plays it will skip parts of it. but as you say the sound is fine.

have you tried setting your video driver to GDI? i would think that would solve the problem

How do you do that?
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have you tried setting your video driver to GDI? i would think that would solve the problem
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In TCMP: Options>Video>GDI

Oh Ok, I tought you know how to hack the WMP.
I use CorePlayer (and TCPMP) and I use RawBuffer ... Works fine (faster than WMP).
Brickcity said:
In TCMP: Options>Video>GDI
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gogol said:
Oh Ok, I tought you know how to hack the WMP.
I use CorePlayer (and TCPMP) and I use RawBuffer ... Works fine (faster than WMP).
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Cool, for me. Videos + TCMP = It works.

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Cool, for me. Videos + TCMP = It works.
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GDI or Rawbuffer?
what does GDI do?

so we have to use tcmp? wmp is useless if we want some kind of quality or flow? What the hell were you thinking HTC? give us some new drivers that works with wmp! allways a guinea-pig.

Posted this in another thread, but it applies here as well.
I'm using the Core Player and I tried "GDI" vs "Raw Frame Buffer" and the benchmark tells me;
GDI=Ave Speed of 135%
RawFrameBuffer=Ave Speed of 168%
Guess I'll stick with Raw, it plays my Divx vids perfectly, but I encode mine at 320x240 just for small gear like this and iPods. They look very sharp and clear at these modest rates.
I also tried RawFrameBuffer with the Keyboard Open=163%

So is my TyTN 2 worthless for playing back h.264 videos ?
I'm trying to playback the DL.TV podcasts in native ipod video encoded .mp4
It is already formatted 320x240 at under 400 kb/s w/AAc audio...
The sound plays fine, but the video stutters along.
Benchmarking only comes up eith 58%
Do I need to fix the settings ?

tbfl said:
So is my TyTN 2 worthless for playing back h.264 videos ?
I'm trying to playback the DL.TV podcasts in native ipod video encoded .mp4
It is already formatted 320x240 at under 400 kb/s w/AAc audio...
The sound plays fine, but the video stutters along.
Benchmarking only comes up eith 58%
Do I need to fix the settings ?
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use tcpmp or coreplayer and make sure you DON'T USE DIRECTDRAW. it should work

RPG0 said:
use tcpmp or coreplayer and make sure you DON'T USE DIRECTDRAW. it should work
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I am using TCPMP 0.72
I have tried both GDI and Raw Buffer with no noticeable difference in quality.
Both stutter along on that video.
Is there a web pae or post with the correct option setting for all of these other sub menus ?
Thanks again,
TBFL

TCPMP

I installed the player but is there a way to change it to the defaults player for IE so when I go to youtube it doesn't try to load RealPlayer. In the program I looked over all the settings but didn't see one. I also went through and check that it was suppose to handle all file types just to make sure. thanks for any advice

After setting file associations .flv in TCPMP did you soft reset?
Have you installed the flv plugins for TCPMP?
I haven bothered to install RealPlayer on my Kaiser, it is on my Wizard, and I haven't missed it yet. TCPMP works fine for me on Youtube. If you unistall RealPayer does the incorrect file association recover?

Launch TCPMP
Select options, settings, select page.
A pop up allows access to all the settings including File Associations.

(s)He's talking about m.youtube.com loading RP.

Sorry, misunderstood.

I did set all the files assoiciations up. I also did a soft reset. I did install the flv plugins. Because the tilt comes preinstalled with Realplayer it isn't even listed as a program that can be removed.
any more ideas? Thanks for your guys help.

Yesterday I installed TCPMP on my Tytn II. I wanted to see if there was any improvement over the reported jerky playback of .wmv files. Unfortunately it could not read the .wmvs I tried to play and reported that it did not have the right codes. I thought that TCPMP would have the codecs 'out of the box'.
In any case I've just installed and tried Pocket Player but the jerkiness was still there. I increased the cache in the options but to no effect. I would like to try Core Player but can't since they do not offer a trial/demo version from their site.
As I understand the jerkiness of video playback is due to an OS bug and might be resolved with a ROM upgrade from HTC. However has anyone found a temporary/permanent solution?

Well I uninstalled and reinstalled TCPMP and left the defaults setup and it seems to work now.
Do you just get the jerky ness on wmv files? I have't loaded any yet cause I am waiting for my 4gb card in the mail.

I get the jerkiness to some extent also with .mp4 and .3gp files. I'm no expert on audio/vide/codecs etc. I just want to watch videos on long trips.
I've also tried encoding just a single chapter from a DVD and placed this in main memory. Same jerkiness so it's nothing to do with transfer rates from the MicroSD card.

jallenclark said:
I installed the player but is there a way to change it to the defaults player for IE so when I go to youtube it doesn't try to load RealPlayer. In the program I looked over all the settings but didn't see one. I also went through and check that it was suppose to handle all file types just to make sure. thanks for any advice
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Guy go in the file Association area and check mark all the blocks, now your TCPMP/PLAYER will be the DEFAULT player, if this does not work PM me and I will send you the added software you might need!

I used TCPMP and now Core Player, they work very smoothly. I use RAW Framebuffer and encode my media conservatively 320 x 240, 96-128k stereo (it still sounds great even at 96kb) and a video bitrate around 475kb. I have to say it looks very sharp and clear on the 8525 and now my Kaiser

RemE said:
I used TCPMP and now Core Player, they work very smoothly. I use RAW Framebuffer and encode my media conservatively 320 x 240, 96-128k stereo (it still sounds great even at 96kb) and a video bitrate around 475kb. I have to say it looks very sharp and clear on the 8525 and now my Kaiser
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What type of files do you play using TCPMP and/or Core Player, and what app do you use to encode them?

Full length movies usually from my DVD's, or MPEG2 files from Replay DVR and PC Based SageTV, encoded with PDXE to Divx format.

What video settings work (all rants off please :) )

I think most of the active members are aware of the video difficulties SO please (please, please) turn your rants off for this thread. What I am trying to find is a combination of settings that DO work.
My preferred codec is MP4.
From some suggestions in other threads, I have tried these encoding settings.
Screen resolution: 320x240
Frames Per Second: 30
Kbps: 300
Audio codec: [email protected]
...and I am playing back on TCPMP 0.72RC1 using these settings
Options/Video: Raw FrameBuffer
Options/Video/Dither: Off
Options/Video/Pixel Aspect Ratio: Auto
Options/Settings/Advanced/Slow Video Memory: On
Options/Settings/Buffering/Preload at Underrun: 85%
Using this, all I get for video is about 1 frame every 3 seconds. Audio is fine.
So can anyone add this this for getting MP4 to work?
Do I need to use a different codec? If so, I would prefer something other then AVI, since I have a mixed environment. Does anyone have suggestions on the best cross platform Codec, that has work well on the Kaiser?

I'd be interested in this too. I can play back videos taken from the video camera flawlessly but when trying to encode them to the same MP4 codec they can get choppy. Not sure what gives :0

Using WMV here
I couldn't get the mp4 output from my ATI Multimedia Centre software to work at all on my TyTN II so I've settled on WMV 9 at 352 x 288 resolution and 372 kbps (thats at 15 fps). Anything with higher bit rate than that seems to cause problems with to much screen tearing during fast movement scenes.

You might want to follow this thread... seams that the Core Player is attacking this known problem for the Tilt. I'm by no means an expert on this, but seems like the Qualcomm QTV technology for the video has some issues:
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0

I use PDXE, Lathe, and a few others to encode Divx videos at 320x240 video quality at "28" audio in stereo at 96 or 128k MP3 with a total bitrate under 500k (usually shoot for 475kbps). If the encoder allows it, for portable video I bump the audio volume by 15% and I increase brightness as well. To me most movies look darker on the small screen. If cropping is allowed I crop widescreen content, cutting off some of the sides of the picture to get closer to the 3:4 ratio of PDA screen. I also like to turn the brightness down as much as possible to increase battery life so the bump in brightness helps there as well. An average movie 1:50 length is about 480MB
I've used Core and TCPMP (currently using TCPMP for the youtube capability) and use Rawframe buffer as well. I'm sure that Core 1.2 will make things even better.
I get 30FPS and normal fluid video, looks like my other 8525, hx4700, and Archos 320 and 400 units with crisp clear video, no complaints.

This MP4 doesnt play on my pc only the phone???
Flying Kiwi said:
I couldn't get the mp4 output from my ATI Multimedia Centre software to work at all on my TyTN II so I've settled on WMV 9 at 352 x 288 resolution and 372 kbps (thats at 15 fps). Anything with higher bit rate than that seems to cause problems with to much screen tearing during fast movement scenes.
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This MP4 doesnt play on my pc only onthe phone???
I have an TiLt and when i try to record videos on my phone in MP4, it appears to work fine and i can play it back on my phone using TCPMP. but when i try to run this on my computer rnning vista it only shows video with no sound.
What can be causing this, is there a way to fix this and has anyone else noticed this..
ps. i hope ths has not been spoken about b4, i hate sounding like a nubie

zulualpha7 said:
This MP4 doesnt play on my pc only onthe phone???
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There's lots avout video formats in the wiki here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=The H.264 (a.k.a. MPEG-4 Part 10 and AVC) Bible
FWIW my mp4s recorded on my TyTN II wont playback on my PC either, it's simply a case of finding a suitable codec.

recorded videos on Tilt not playing on vista with sound!! I GOT IT FIXXX
Flying Kiwi said:
There's lots avout video formats in the wiki here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=The H.264 (a.k.a. MPEG-4 Part 10 and AVC) Bible
FWIW my mp4s recorded on my TyTN II wont playback on my PC either, it's simply a case of finding a suitable codec.
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Hey thanx for the reply but VLC is what i got installed and doesnt work, thought someone else had the same issue like mine. The .MP4 files that the TiLT records doesnt playback properly. PROBLEM is : I get the video portion just fine, but no sound. I have the. I tried in Media Player, VLC, QuickTime, RealPlayer, etc.... All the same... video plays but no sound.
I googled the issue and found out some other HTC phone users got it too and a couple solutions i found are.
1. In QuickTime it says: "Error 2041 - Invalid sample description in movie"
Solution: Checked the Apple.com or quicktime forums, if you use quicktime, change the file name from .MP4 to .3GP and it will work, it will not work otherwise. (if you dont know how to rename the files or dont see extension, Windows vista or XP go to tools>folder options>view>uncheck hide file extensions for known file types and voila)
2. Since I did so much reading on this, I got a new player (KMPlayer) that beats vlc in my books it plays the files recorded from the tilt just fine unlike VLC latest build, its fast and does all vlc does but it has a better GUI and plays anything you throw at it. you can get kmplayer here
Conclusion: The TiLt is fine, just that I couldnt get the right player to run the video files it records. apparently there is some issue with the qualcomm processor and the video output files of .MP4, some others have reported issues with any .MP4 files and had to do the same listed above.
Hope this helps someone here...

if you want an mp4 player on your pc for free, go to nokia.com

zulualpha7 said:
Hey thanx for the reply but VLC is what i got installed and doesnt work, thought someone else had the same issue like mine. The .MP4 files that the TiLT records doesnt playback properly. PROBLEM is : I get the video portion just fine, but no sound. I have the. I tried in Media Player, VLC, QuickTime, RealPlayer, etc.... All the same... video plays but no sound.
I googled the issue and found out some other HTC phone users got it too and a couple solutions i found are.
1. In QuickTime it says: "Error 2041 - Invalid sample description in movie"
Solution: Checked the Apple.com or quicktime forums, if you use quicktime, change the file name from .MP4 to .3GP and it will work, it will not work otherwise. (if you dont know how to rename the files or dont see extension, Windows vista or XP go to tools>folder options>view>uncheck hide file extensions for known file types and voila)
2. Since I did so much reading on this, I got a new player (KMPlayer) that beats vlc in my books it plays the files recorded from the tilt just fine unlike VLC latest build, its fast and does all vlc does but it has a better GUI and plays anything you throw at it. you can get kmplayer here
Conclusion: The TiLt is fine, just that I couldnt get the right player to run the video files it records. apparently there is some issue with the qualcomm processor and the video output files of .MP4, some others have reported issues with any .MP4 files and had to do the same listed above.
Hope this helps someone here...
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MANY THANKS! zulualpha7,
I have had the error 2041 problem for a long time and have never been able to play vids recorded on my TyTn II on my PC.
I almost installed various codec packs as other forum members have done but after reading about potential problems of having multiple codecs for same file type and upsetting the system I decided not to do this.
I have some really important 'once in a lifetime' family moments like my friend's son catching his first fish etc... I though they were all lost for ever.
I just downloaded latest Quicktime and renamed file extensions to ".3gp" like you said and now I can watch everything!!!!
Thank you so much this really has been a big improvement for me.
ONCE AGAIN THIS FORUM ROCKS! Thanks to everyone for so much fantastic helpful info.

Windows Media Player on Kaiser

Hi everyone.
I was hoping someone could help me. I have a Kaiser and have tried to crush an .avi file with PocketdivxEncoder. Everything appeared to have worked fine, but when i tried to play the encoded file on the phone - i got the error message "Cannot Play the file".
Disheartening to say the least. I was wondering if anyone come accross thos or a similiar problem and had discovered a way to make it work. Is this codec issue or something more troubling.
Thanks in advance. Incidiently...yes I am very much a newbie - so hoping for the kindness of some strangers here!

you can't read divx with WMP.
Use TCPMP or CorePlayer to play them

TCPMP
I had a look at the TCPMP and there seem to be a helluva lots choices! Any pointers as to what i should be downloading - and what plugins?
cheers

the version you want is 0.72rc1, dont need any plugins if all you wanna watch is the divx files. however i can suggest flash video bundle, that would allow you to watch youtube and other flash streaming videos

Core will play video the best as they've added support for Tilt/Kaiser's "QTV" driver which gives about 35% better playback performance on my divx videos encoded with PDXE. It costs some money, but it's good stuff.
Here's TCPMP which will work OK as long as you keep your video's a reasonable size, say 320x240 with a total bitrate under 500kps.
For Divx you won't need any plug-ins, set to use "raw framebuffer" and you are good to go.

Brilliant
I unzipped the attached file and it doesn't seem to be recognised as an exe file once unzipped! Any help?

don't unzip the attached file. transfer it to your kaiser and run the cab file from there.

Nearly there!
Ok thanks for your help so far! The problem now is there is no sound and some of the sound options on the player are greyed out! Any help! I think its the final hurdle

Is there any way to get large videos to play @ full speed?

I'm using TCPMP and I can't get bigger files to play smooth for the life of me...any suggestions?

Cawley said:
I'm using TCPMP and I can't get bigger files to play smooth for the life of me...any suggestions?
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Get a Zune.

JimmyMcGee said:
Get a Zune.
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I second that Especially the new Zune is really nice. You can connect via your router to sync your music. I just hate the zune syncing software it's such a pain in the ass. I wish we could sync with WMP. I mean come on seriously.

Pocket Divx encoder
I had the same problem with my touch. TCPMP would not play large video's .avi even though it supports it. I used Pocket Divx Encoder to reduce the .avi according to my screen size and now I can watch any .avi without any problems and the audio and picture is still incredibly clear. I max out video and audio quality still with no problems during playback.
Pocket Divx Encoder is free
Hope this works for you and enjoy your video's

I use CorePlayer (based on TCPMP ) to play my Divx files (700 to 900 Mo each resolution 660*360, datarate 1010kbps) without any specific Mobile transcoding and it plays quite well with the right settings, with some rare glitches (but i guess it will never work flawlessly until we have the real Kaiser drivers).
TCPMP is good, but Coreplayer is faster on the Kaiser from my own experience.
The only down side about Coreplayer (aside from the fact its not freeware) is that it cannot play AC3 sound unlike TCPMP (due to open source licence)

why i dont understand it...when i had my standard att WM 6.0 rom that came with my tilt...i watched avis and mpeg4//divx movies CRYSTAL CLEAR....and thatt was with no htc ca driver or none of that ****. And now ive upgraded to WM 6.1..first duttys hybrid then L26 and now garmins...and each rom has the same problem...old tcpmps crash and when i use the repack tcpmp app and it works....i have SLUGGISH and chopppy fps when i watch avi movies and mpeg stufff. How is this possible with all the new drivers and such....it was crystal clear to watch movies with WM 6.0..but with 6.1 its choppy and ****ty playback? has anybody found a better fix for this other then converting the movies to sccreen resolution?

have lookedeverywhere for pocket divx encoder but unable to d/l it can anyone post please?

Try xvid4psp. It's free, fast and has enough options. I use MP4 iPod 5.0G settings for Kaiser.

thanks will give it a shot

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Try xvid4psp. It's free, fast and has enough options. I use MP4 iPod 5.0G settings for Kaiser.
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on a site showing format support, i dont see where mp4ipod is supported..
how well do vids play on your setup..does it keep up w/bigger vids?
thanx

amkaos said:
on a site showing format support, i dont see where mp4ipod is supported..
how well do vids play on your setup..does it keep up w/bigger vids?
thanx
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Sorry, my previous post was meant to be reply to felixthecat.
So, to make things clear:
- XviD4PSP is not media player for PPC.
- XviD4PSP is software for converting videos. You can find it here.
- MP4 iPod 5.0G is just one of the format settings in Xvid4PSP.

antihrist said:
Sorry, my previous post was meant to be reply to felixthecat.
So, to make things clear:
- XviD4PSP is not media player for PPC.
- XviD4PSP is software for converting videos. You can find it here.
- MP4 iPod 5.0G is just one of the format settings in Xvid4PSP.
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i do know that it isnt a player, what do you use?
how well do vids play on your setup..does it keep up w/bigger vids?
i tried core--sucks for me... but i did not convert formats before trying..

amkaos said:
i do know that it isnt a player, what do you use?
how well do vids play on your setup..does it keep up w/bigger vids?
i tried core--sucks for me... but i did not convert formats before trying..
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I use Core Player for videos. Videos converted with XviD4PSP using my settings does not play well in WM player. You can try it with some other settings.
Here are my current settings:
- Format: MP4 iPod 5.0G
- Denoise/Sharpen: Disabled
- Brightness/Contrast: Disabled
- Video encoding: XviD HQ Ultra
- Audio encoding: AAC-LC ABR 128
I don't know what you mean with "bigger vids", but I use it for converting my divx/xvid movies and shows to MP4 and it works well. I think it supports even DVD files, but i didn't try that.
Last time i checked it took 6 minutes to convert some 30 minutes divx show to MP4 (Athlon X2 4000+, 2GB RAM, GeForce 8800GT).

One more thing about Core Player
Core Player with default setup gives me audio out of sync. But you can adjust that in options.

i tried those settings and didn't get a good result

works now i have upgraded coreplayer ... thanks alot

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have lookedeverywhere for pocket divx encoder but unable to d/l it can anyone post please?
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this was the first result when I googled it. Follow this link
http://files.filefront.com/PocketDivX+Encoder+0360exe/;9172092;/fileinfo.html
Take care
Rod

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Pocket Divx encoder
I had the same problem with my touch. TCPMP would not play large video's .avi even though it supports it. I used Pocket Divx Encoder to reduce the .avi according to my screen size and now I can watch any .avi without any problems and the audio and picture is still incredibly clear. I max out video and audio quality still with no problems during playback.
Pocket Divx Encoder is free
Hope this works for you and enjoy your video's
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I use it also. I watch moives on my phone and it works fine playing full screen and BT stereo.

try the new win 6.1 that att put out for the tilt... it might be more stable since it is the new shipping rom