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I have an ATT tilt and I upgraded from a T-Mo MDA.
I really like the tilt. I am not having issues with it like I see others are. It seems plenty fast for me (def faster then the MDA, especially when streaming video over the net) and the HSDPA connections are awesome. Put's my work DSL to shame, lol.
But, I was dissapointed in some of the design.
I would have loved for the TYTNII to have Stereo Speakers like the MDA did (those speakers rock, very clear and can get quite loud).
I also would have liked to see a hardware volume button for the TyTnII, having to use the stylus to adjust the volume is a bit annoying if it needs to be done quickly.
The 3.0MP camera works great, but I would have loved it more if it had a Zoom and a Flash (I know it zooms but not in 3.0MP mode). The flash didnt do much for photos unless it was a closeup shot, but that LED came in quite handy as a flashlight every now and then, lol.
Lastly the Stylus Position was a bit annoying at first when the keyboard was open, but I have already gotten used to taking the stylus out first and then sliding the keyboard, which makes things alot simpler. However, keeping the stylus on the right hand side would have made it more comfortable for the majority of users (sorry lefties).
Anyway, these are the only things that bother me about the Tilt. I really like it otherwise and will most likely keep it (still in my 30 day trial) unless T-Mo actually dispatches their HSDPA/3G on Dec 6 and offers a better phone, then I would gladly switch back.
What features do you miss from older HTC devices? It may not help us now but if HTC has scouts on these forums it cant hurt to make note of what we like and dont like.
I have only one complaint with the TyTn II. In my place we do not have 3G so the best we can do is EDGE. However the EDGE connection is slower on the TyTn II than what it used to be on my i-mate Jasjam and later the HTC Touch. On these previous phones I could easily manage 200 kbs but with the TyTn II it is just a max of 100 kbs. I have tested a number of times by swapping SIM's. When I put my SIM in my previous 2 phones I get good EDGE speed but the same SIM in the TyTn II gives about half the speed.
Just hoping that a future ROM will solve the problem.
Well my previous phone was a Palm 750v and i miss a few things actualy.
I miss the threaded SMS application so i found the riped version and installed it but MMS wont work through it. Also i loved how the Palm had a small slider switch at the top of the phone to instantly make it silent or not. That was very convenient. Hmmm what else...
Generaly i found the Palm a lot easier to use for a beginner. I liked how you could do pretty much anything without touching the screen and also everything seemed to be so intuitive. I hardly changed anything to make it suit me. I found myself changing the Kaiser quite a bit on the other hand. But im up to a point now where i really enjoy the Kaiser so i'm not regretting anything. Plus it has a hell of a lot more features that the Palm lacked. Like a better screen, wifi and GPS to name a few.
Oh man you asked for it #1
Alright- I typically use this site SOLEY for reference/assistance/troubleshooting/brainstorming, you get the idea...
And for that, it has been INCREDIBLE! Thank you all!
However, I will now take this incredible opportunity to gripe about how much I hate my new Tilt (Kaiser) vs. my old 8125 (Wizard).
Two days ago, I finally wore the mini USB port solder points out on my Wizard, leaving me with no way to charge my battery other than (and this is what I did) disassembling the Wizard, slipping the port on the charger plug, and holding it defibrillator style against the printed circuit board where it had previously lived. This got me enough juice to make it through the last couple of days, and sync it one last time in order to dump over to my new Tilt. In the last 3 hours with my new Tilt/Kaiser, I have come to these conclusions:
1. The keyboard now slides open in the opposite direction. I officially hate this. On my Wizard, I would slide the keyboard open, browse the web in landscape mode, and use the D-Pad and 2 softkeys between the screen and the D-Pad to navigate. This was beautiful and worked wonderfully. Now, the D-Pad is on the left side (I'm right handed) and not only does this suck balls for my left thumb, but it is compounded by the soft keys which have now migrated farther south (along with the messaging and IE buttons, as if it wasn't bad enough) to make the D-Pad area so freaking congested that even I, with my nimble fingers, have a hard time discerning one button from the next. Roll all this in with the fact that the charging port is still essentially in the same place, and browsing with the keyboard open using the D-Pad with the charger plugged in is essentially MADDENING, while it was *quite* feasible, before.
2. The power button has moved. Why? Top seems like a great place, always was- and what could the congestion issue be? The MicroSD slot has already been moved beneath the D-Pad so the top has to have a little breathing room, I'd think!
3. As mentioned in 1., the messaging and IE buttons have been moved to the D-Pad area. For what reason? This now makes one-handed use to quickly snap messaging/IE open a total pain in the ass, and quick/reliable motions in the D-Pad area HAZARDOUSLY hit or miss. I mean, lets REALLY think about this. 13 buttons in an area about as large as 3 United States postage stamps. WTF?
4. The volume *slider* has been replaced with a wheel. I'm not entirely certain how I feel about this, yet- but already I've noticed a few times that I've *clicked* the wheel and rolled it at the same time, while I can't recall ever sliding the Wizard's slider when trying to click with it. I liked sliding up and holding, or sliding down and holding, as opposed to rolling, and rolling, and rolling... Also, while petty, it's worth mentioning that the profile of the wheel on the Kaiser is *just* slightly larger than the slider on the Wizard. Not really a major issue, but noteworthy.
5. Where's the Comm Manager button that used to be above the volume slider? Oh wait- there is no Comm Manager button anymore- just a PTT button I have absolutely no use for. While I feel certain there's probably a hack/mod out there to permit me to re-map this to Comm Management, I see nothing built in as of this post. Perhaps HTC has assumed we all just leave our Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on all the time (plugged into chargers, of course, as otherwise our batteries would be deceased in no time...)
6. MicroSD? Aww man... I won't rant on this one, as it's just a given that any time I buy a new phone I'll need new cards, but Jesus, man- First it was SD, then it was MiniSD, which I was just starting to actually use in other devices (yay for cross compatibility and the potential to use cards to their max!) when, now, I'm out another 20, 30, 50, WHATEVER, dollars for ANOTHER new card. MicroSD. "Whoopee." Not to mention- what the hell is the deal with this magically gravitational force that's pulling EVERYTHING to the freaking D-Pad!!?? What was wrong with the SD port on top???
7. Voice Dial button. Okay. Now seriously. This is flat out retarded. Finally, we were getting to a point in telecommunications hardware where many devices were actually beginning to sport a dedicated voice dial button, and HTC pulls it off of the Kaiser. ::slaps forehead:: I'm at a loss. Is this, again, because all of us Kaiser users are supposed to be using stereo bluetooth headsets with voice dial buttons integrated on *them*? ::sigh::
8. Black keyboard (almost). This keyboard is AWESOME! Well- permit me to elaborate- the COLORATION, on 30 of the keys, is AWESOME! The silver numeric keys are a complete travesty, and a throwback to a sometimes difficult to read (under certain circumstances) Wizard keyboard. Also, why, exactly, HTC felt the need to move symbols around on the keyboard, coupled with numbers moved around on the keyboard, coupled with entire keys being relocated on the keyboard, I will *never* know. I haven't even checked to see if the Kaiser has the same idiotic keyboard backlight timeout issues that the Wizard had, but if it does, it's going on the list!
9. B = BM. No no, not bowel movement, "BM." Every time in the last few hours I have touched the "b" key, I have been given "bm." I will be wearing out my backspace key quite quickly at this rate. I've already noticed another post which seems to revolve around this issue, but I have been too busy ranting here to actually read *that* open tab. <Update:> That post was about something else (keypresses repeating)- BUT: I'm hoping I simply received a lemon Kaiser with a flakey keyboard, as multiple keys (4-5, actually) result in random additional keypresses, including (most annoyingly) B = B + M, V = V + SPC, and L = L + OK, or some such nonsense... Typing softer/harder doesn't seem to entirely alleviate *or* reproduce the problem. :-( Crap!
10. Tilt. Wow. This is certainly the AT&T "Tilt." Because- the screen tilts! Wait- why? I'm sorry- not to crack on HTC's brilliant ingenuity, but perhaps I was the lucky one of the thousands who simply *never* had any desire whatsoever to tilt the screen of my Wizard for any reason... While this is certainly a snazzy Sidekick-type feature, I have zero use for it, and simply cannot fathom any other reason why AT&T would market this high-powered XDA as a "Tilt" than to directly market-oppose the Sidekick. Oh wait- now I know why it's engineered this way- obsolescence! Surely this thing is bound to snap off in the next 6 months (if I can stomach it's unfriendliness that long)... Just... I don't know- seriously stop and take a few seconds to yourself, and truly think about this amazing device, and then think about the name it was given. Shame on you, AT&T. Shame. What would have been wrong with 8925? 8125 was good enough for Cingular 2 years ago! This "Tilt" business is like branding the Acura NSX the "Acura Car with 4 Wheels!" Nevermind the 400MHz CPU or WM6Pro capabilities, to say the least... Bah, ingenius AT&T marketing... How patronizing- to a device- LMAO!
11. Where's the other speaker? And for that matter, where is this single speakers balls? Were they neutered out with the other speaker? Oh wait- I know- this all comes back to the fact that I'm supposed to be using stereo Bluetooth- thaaaat's right- silly me! Except for- oh- wait- wanting to hear my phone ring across the room. Perhaps HTC never thought of this, but- speaker duplicity lead to much more reliable notification audibility. News flash! When your device is in your holster, pocket, whatever- typically on the Wizard *one* speaker was covered, but another was still revealed. Eureka!
12. Mini-USB? Really? Because it looks like some bizarre, mutated Mini-USB charging/sync port to me... what the hell was the purpose of this, other than to make you do a double-take the first few thousand times you plug a cable into it?
13. Where's my flashlight? I'm a king of successfully using things for their entirely "not-intended" purpose. And the flash on the Wizard? About as useful as a screen door on a submarine when it came to pictures. But looking around an engine compartment? Searching a backpack? Inspecting a PC tower's innards? (The list goes on...) That little "flash" kicked some major ass for an always available flashlight. Goodbye, little flashlight... :-(
These gripes are all primarily hardware related, and I doubt I'll have many SW gripes to append later as I've been using WM6 off and on my Wizard for a few months now, and have markedly few complaints that can't be alleviated with some mild hacking and modding.
Alright, that's all I've got. Again, these were all conditions of the phone publicly present before I purchased it, so I'm not harping on HTC, entirely, just posing the perspective of one DEVOTED Wizard owner who thought he was going to super-upgrade to a Kaiser. At this rate, I'll be soldering my Mini-USB port back onto my Wizard's PCB, or making a reluctant leap to the iPhone. It is *quite* bad ass, but I've absolutely adored my Wizard for over a year and a half (a feat unmatched by any cell phone in the last 10 years, for me... I usually roll over every 5-6 months!) and as anti-establishment and group mentality as I am, slipping over to the iPhone side was something I was trying to avoid!
I would just say the Comm manager button and irda (only used it a couple of times but useful when u encounter people with a Palm or a laptop with no bluetooth.
Bertokamus: i agree with every point you raised :'(
I love the Tilt...upgrading from a PPC 6700/HTC Apache...I've gotten used to all the little differences that were frustrating at first. Want to know what I really miss though?? THE FLASHLIGHT. Man I loved having a hardware button bound to my Apache's Light - making it the perfect flashlight integrated into my phone! I'm serious. I want that back!!!
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I love the Tilt...upgrading from a PPC 6700/HTC Apache...I've gotten used to all the little differences that were frustrating at first. Want to know what I really miss though?? THE FLASHLIGHT. Man I loved having a hardware button bound to my Apache's Light - making it the perfect flashlight integrated into my phone! I'm serious. I want that back!!!
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Yeah, out of everything brought up in this thread so far (by myself and others) the flashlight and the lack of stereo speakers are what I miss the most.
Non-improvements from Wizard
Wow, most of Bertokamus list are things that irk me too
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1. The keyboard now slides open in the opposite direction. I officially hate this. On my Wizard, I would slide the keyboard open, browse the web in landscape mode, and use the D-Pad and 2 softkeys between the screen and the D-Pad to navigate. This was beautiful and worked wonderfully. Now, the D-Pad is on the left side (I'm right handed) and not only does this suck balls for my left thumb, but it is compounded by the soft keys which have now migrated farther south (along with the messaging and IE buttons, as if it wasn't bad enough) to make the D-Pad area so freaking congested that even I, with my nimble fingers, have a hard time discerning one button from the next. Roll all this in with the fact that the charging port is still essentially in the same place, and browsing with the keyboard open using the D-Pad with the charger plugged in is essentially MADDENING, while it was *quite* feasible, before.
2. The power button has moved. Why? Top seems like a great place, always was- and what could the congestion issue be? The MicroSD slot has already been moved beneath the D-Pad so the top has to have a little breathing room, I'd think!
3. As mentioned in 1., the messaging and IE buttons have been moved to the D-Pad area. For what reason? This now makes one-handed use to quickly snap messaging/IE open a total pain in the ass, and quick/reliable motions in the D-Pad area HAZARDOUSLY hit or miss. I mean, lets REALLY think about this. 13 buttons in an area about as large as 3 United States postage stamps. WTF?
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Yeah, my 8125 may have been square and plain looking, but the soft keys were right where they ought to be, and every button was separated enough from others that you could hit the right button easily by feel alone.
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4. The volume *slider* has been replaced with a wheel. I'm not entirely certain how I feel about this, yet- but already I've noticed a few times that I've *clicked* the wheel and rolled it at the same time, while I can't recall ever sliding the Wizard's slider when trying to click with it. I liked sliding up and holding, or sliding down and holding, as opposed to rolling, and rolling, and rolling... Also, while petty, it's worth mentioning that the profile of the wheel on the Kaiser is *just* slightly larger than the slider on the Wizard. Not really a major issue, but noteworthy.
5. Where's the Comm Manager button that used to be above the volume slider? Oh wait- there is no Comm Manager button anymore- just a PTT button I have absolutely no use for. While I feel certain there's probably a hack/mod out there to permit me to re-map this to Comm Management, I see nothing built in as of this post. Perhaps HTC has assumed we all just leave our Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on all the time (plugged into chargers, of course, as otherwise our batteries would be deceased in no time...)
7. Voice Dial button. Okay. Now seriously. This is flat out retarded. Finally, we were getting to a point in telecommunications hardware where many devices were actually beginning to sport a dedicated voice dial button, and HTC pulls it off of the Kaiser. ::slaps forehead:: I'm at a loss. Is this, again, because all of us Kaiser users are supposed to be using stereo bluetooth headsets with voice dial buttons integrated on *them*? ::sigh::
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I agree that a Voice Dial button would be way more useful than PTT (who uses PTT? expensive, and have to have others using it to make it any use at all
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8. Black keyboard (almost). This keyboard is AWESOME! Well- permit me to elaborate- the COLORATION, on 30 of the keys, is AWESOME! The silver numeric keys are a complete travesty, and a throwback to a sometimes difficult to read (under certain circumstances) Wizard keyboard. Also, why, exactly, HTC felt the need to move symbols around on the keyboard, coupled with numbers moved around on the keyboard, coupled with entire keys being relocated on the keyboard, I will *never* know. I haven't even checked to see if the Kaiser has the same idiotic keyboard backlight timeout issues that the Wizard had, but if it does, it's going on the list!
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I understand the keyboard changes - entering numbers from the top row is not as easy as a phone pad arrangement - but IMHO even the phone pad arrangement is a pain because having to remember to hit the Fn key every time. A dedicated keyboard like the HTC S710 and S730 have would be really nice (yet would still be awkward to use when sliding keyboard is open)
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10. Tilt. Wow. This is certainly the AT&T "Tilt." Because- the screen tilts! Wait- why? I'm sorry- not to crack on HTC's brilliant ingenuity, but perhaps I was the lucky one of the thousands who simply *never* had any desire whatsoever to tilt the screen of my Wizard for any reason... While this is certainly a snazzy Sidekick-type feature, I have zero use for it, and simply cannot fathom any other reason why AT&T would market this high-powered XDA as a "Tilt" than to directly market-oppose the Sidekick. Oh wait- now I know why it's engineered this way- obsolescence! Surely this thing is bound to snap off in the next 6 months (if I can stomach it's unfriendliness that long)... Just... I don't know- seriously stop and take a few seconds to yourself, and truly think about this amazing device, and then think about the name it was given. Shame on you, AT&T. Shame. What would have been wrong with 8925? 8125 was good enough for Cingular 2 years ago!
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I would say that the "tilt" is a marginal feature - I could do without it, but sometimes I use it and it's nice to have, if it holds up OK
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11. Where's the other speaker? And for that matter, where is this single speakers balls? Were they neutered out with the other speaker? Oh wait- I know- this all comes back to the fact that I'm supposed to be using stereo Bluetooth- thaaaat's right- silly me! Except for- oh- wait- wanting to hear my phone ring across the room. Perhaps HTC never thought of this, but- speaker duplicity lead to much more reliable notification audibility. News flash! When your device is in your holster, pocket, whatever- typically on the Wizard *one* speaker was covered, but another was still revealed. Eureka!
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The Wizard speakers are pretty darn good for any phone, but I would have settled for the mono speaker if it weren't such a tinny piece of crap!
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12. Mini-USB? Really? Because it looks like some bizarre, mutated Mini-USB charging/sync port to me... what the hell was the purpose of this, other than to make you do a double-take the first few thousand times you plug a cable into it?
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Yeah, how much of a savings in expense and space is the proprietary 11-pin ExtUSB anyway? I have already tried 2 adapters that didn't fit right - one that stuck in so hard that I had to use pliers to pull it out, and was afraid I might have damaged the contacts on the port.
The 2.5mm socket on the Wizard seems like a dream in comparison, although even it required getting special adaptors or designed products (like the Shure i2c-T headphones and mike, which worked great, and now I'd like to use them on the Tilt but have to find a new adapter that will give me stereo and use of mic)
But 2 different sockets for the 2 functions seems to me to be a safer and more durable hardware solution than the dual function ExtUSB port.
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13. Where's my flashlight? I'm a king of successfully using things for their entirely "not-intended" purpose. And the flash on the Wizard? About as useful as a screen door on a submarine when it came to pictures. But looking around an engine compartment? Searching a backpack? Inspecting a PC tower's innards? (The list goes on...) That little "flash" kicked some major ass for an always available flashlight. Goodbye, little flashlight... :-(
-Bertokamus-
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I never used the flashlight for that purpose - I have a JPEG picture that is pure white that I can activate with one tap in Pocket Plus - worked well as a flashlight with the Wizard, and now the Tilt.
I'm glad this thread was started, for airing of gripes RE: fixes to things that weren't broke, simple ergonomic things that could be better, etc.
I would love to see feature like the Nokias have, one click, and you start to type an SMS, now is that so hard to do ?
I previously had a TyTn I, and the only thing I am really missing is the flash. It was very helpfull for me to use my phone as a little flashlight.
I also have now some trouble to get used to the inverted keyboard slid; and I often hold my phone in the wrong way after I used it. But I should be able to overcome this shortcomin really soon.
The power button is also harder to reach; it is a quite good thing I think as in the past I sometime accidentaly started my phone.
I would really like to see the battery life of my old Nokia 6210.
I prefer the keyboard on my Wizard. (Vario 1) and the power switch location.
Other than that I am quite pleased overall with my Kaiser (Vario III)
Oh man you asked for it #2
Miscellaneous afterthought stuff: Belt Holster? Thank goodness I had a Wizard previously, because otherwise I'd be stuck without a holster since HTC doesn't seem to think the Kaiser should come with one (thank you, Wizard accessories!) Infrared? Like many other people who note this, it's not like this is a highly-used hardware feature, but when you've torn the Mini-USB port out of your Wizard, and would like to Beam some files around, (since Bluetooth ActiveSync'ing can be a b**ch!), you're stuck! Headphone jack? Again, as I've seen elsewhere, this new USB port on the Kaiser can support some kind of headphones, I guess, and while that's all fine and great, I kind of liked having independent ports that were a little more universal compatible! Sym for % !?!? Man, this sucks, I use the % symbol a lot, and now I have to utilize the Sym map just to get to it... HTC bungled the Kaiser keyboard, I maintain! How about a little DVorak philosophy even if it was in QWERTY fashion?
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I got a belt holster with mine in the HTC box! (They had to change it from the TyTn's orig as it had magnets in it and kept turning the phone on due to the sliding detectors!!)
Yep, we all miss things. Flashlight...etc
I miss a standard earpiece connector so I could power at same time. I know there are 'Y' adaptors out there but its just something else to carry.
You also have to remember that there are differences between the US 'TILT' and the rest of the world's 'Kaisers'
One example is we don't have a 'PTT', I think its where our 'OK' button is to be used in conjunction with the scroll wheel for selecting and closing windows/Apps.
And I notice all our keyboard is dark, non of those silver ones in sight!
IrDA port
I miss the IrDA port more than I thought I would.
I used it to share files with other pda users.
I used it occasionally with a Canon BJ-80 printer.
I sometimes used it for ActiveSync even though it was slow.
Still think the tinny speaker is about the worst backward step, though!
The N95's media functions would have been great. I get more done with the Kaiser on the other hand.
Me again, my Kaiser is for sale now on Ebay and I'm waiting for the end of the auction; I complained a lot about the fact it is a very bad device for entertainment, but the pad really sucks also for everyday usage !
The two windows buttons around the pad, on the top, are too small. I tried to use my Kaiser as a phone for the first time today, but when I wanted to access the contacts using one of these two windows buttons, most of the time I also pushed the pad at the same time, I was about to throw my Kaiser away !!! Of course same problems when using the other apps of the Kaiser (calendar, etc ...).
Why the hell HTC designed this ****ing pad like that ??? It is too large, and the buttons around it are too small.
If only they would have reduce the pad to make it square (like on the old TYTN) then the buttons around it would be bigger and easier to use !!!!!!!!
A child could imagine that !!!
How much was paid the ergonomic designer of the Kaiser ???????!!!!
And to that I add the fact that the looseness of this pad is really annoying for me, it makes me think I'm using a cheap device.
I really want now my Kaiser to be sold quickly because as long as I will still have it, I will always want to give it another try, and each time I'm getting so nervous that I want to break it !
This is the first pocketpc, out of the seven I had, wich makes me so angry each time I'm using it. And it will also be the one I will have owned for a so short time ! (less than a month)
Too bad because its size is very good when you think about everything it has inside, on the paper it should be a close to perfect device, but the realisation and some conception defaults makes it really a "not worth it" device for me.
The only thing I really appreciated is the integrated GPS, and that's it !!!
Actaully, I like the Kaiser pad for the most part.
The flat keypad on the original Tytn is a pain in the ass to use, as you can't really navigate by feel (useful if you are trying to hit the answer key while reaching into your pocket). Using a completely flat d-pad means you hit the center button almost every time you try to navigate, and it makes diagonals almost impossible.
(Note: I never tried the sculpted keypad of the AT&T flavor of the Tytn - thought it was ugly and liked the flat look of the HTC branded Tytn better. Never will I choose esthetics over functionality again)
There's a Kaiser variant from T-mobile that uses a similar flat keypad design, though the d-pad is a little more sculpted. I don't understand why HTC doesn't stick with one D-pad design for all of it's models. It's pretty sad when the phone that has everything you need at the moment is ruined by a lousy physical UI.
Now, I do agree with you that the elongated d-pad takes some getting used to -- and I can definitely see that being either a love it/hate it thing.
My previous PPC/phones were a Tytn I, a Toshiba e800, and an HP 4150 (HTC design). If you think the Kaiser pad is bad try the e800! HTC got it right on with the 4150 design though, possibly the best Pocket PC I've ever used.
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Actaully, I like the Kaiser pad for the most part.
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But there are still people who complain and cry for there own stupid mistakes.
A little tip: go to a shop next time and try a device before you buy.
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But there are still people who complain and cry for there own stupid mistakes.
A little tip: go to a shop next time and try a device before you buy.
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in a shop, using the device for 5 minutes, does not tell you if you will get use to it (if the seller does allow you to play with it for 5 minutes !).
I also would be glad to know the interest of such a large pad.
Just sell it and buy an other pda and go on with your live.
Don't make such a difficulty of it.
It's not good for your stress level.
I've never had problems with my D-Pad. I'm able to use it just fine without feeling that it's that small. It cold have been a little prettier but it's okay. About the loussiness, maybe it's made that way to protect it from heavy usage. Maybe it' the same principle of ventilators that are never fixed that well on the ceiling. You can notice that it's shaking and that makes it look like it's properly placed, but that happens to protect the device from tearing the ceiling apart over the years.
Weird that the two buttons he is talking about correspond to 1) the soft menu buttons on the screen and he could thus just tap the screen as a workaround or 2) when you use the keyboard, the buttons are replaced with the hardware buttons at the top of the keyboard.
I found it weird for a while moving from a Hermes to a Kaiser - different buttons, screen sliding open the other way but YOU GET USED TO THE CHANGES!
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Weird that the two buttons he is talking about correspond to 1) the soft menu buttons on the screen and he could thus just tap the screen as a workaround or 2) when you use the keyboard, the buttons are replaced with the hardware buttons at the top of the keyboard.
I found it weird for a while moving from a Hermes to a Kaiser - different buttons, screen sliding open the other way but YOU GET USED TO THE CHANGES!
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I was talking about the "soft menu" buttons, but not only, also about the buttons wich are below it. All buttons around the pad in fact.
You say I can use the on screen buttons, yes ,for sure !
But then you can also say that the soft menu buttons are useless ...
I don't think they are useless, they are very usefull, they allow us to use the device with only one hand, and also I hate pressing the screen with my fingers.
If HTC would not put these soft menu buttons around the pad, I would just not buy the Kaiser. But if they put it there, they should make them easy to access (and it was very easy to do !).
I just want to say that I have quite large hands/fingers and I have no problems with those buttons at all. If I go to push one, I dont wind up pushing the ones next to it. If you have such trouble you must really have some sausage fingers. If that's the case, I dont quite see how you can blame HTC for it.
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I just want to say that I have quite large hands/fingers and I have no problems with those buttons at all. If I go to push one, I dont wind up pushing the ones next to it. If you have such trouble you must really have some sausage fingers. If that's the case, I dont quite see how you can blame HTC for it.
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lol. i feel the same way. i have big hands and fingers, and i have no troubles with the keyboard. Must be some brought wurst fingers.
No problem for me either. Other than the Dpad should be a bit tighter, I like it better than the rest of the HTC devices.
Hi
I've been having trouble with the touchscreen on my MDA Vario III, I'd be grateful from some advice from some of you hardware gurus.
It seems to be detecting phantom touchscreen input, which can prevent it from properly detecting real input. This was evident in the Notes application, if I were to tap around the screen in draw mode it would sometimes draw dots, but often draw a straight or curved line between the last point and the most recent one. I thought something might be pressing on the borders of the screen so I did the thin card round underneath the bezel thing, which if anything made it worse, though that may just be me imagining it.
I sent it off to a local repair firm for a touchscreen replacement, got it back this morning and it seemed to be ok, but not perfect. During the morning, having rerun kaisertweak and installed a couple of cabs, it deteriorated again.
Right now it's cycling round the Alignment Screen, the cross is moving around on its own periodically. If I try tapping the cross it mostly doesn't detect the tap.
So right now, I've got a month old Kaiser, warranty void and insurance not applicable, that I simply can't use!
My question really is, what could the problem be if it isn't the touchscreen/digitizer (they are one unit on the Kaiser aren't they?) and it doesn't appear to be a physical problem with the housing of the screen? Does it imply a mainboard failure?
Does any user configuration at all survive a hard reset? Such as increasing the touchflo sensitivity with Kaiser Tweak?
Thanks
hipster
I did/do have the exact same issue, however on my unit it only happens when using some third party stylii (spelling?)....one old Ipaq 3970 metal stylus, and 2 multifunction pens. Using the onboard stylus (or any other light stylus, like the one from the P3600) I encounter no problems (knock on wood), no matter how hard I poke on the screen....
Unit is over 3 months old - have gotten used to it, just don´t use any heavy/metal stylus.
Your problem, however, seems to be a bit more pronounced.....
Thanks for the reply, michi, though your problem does sound a bit different, if just a change of stylus improves it.
I've tried the stylus from my old Wizard and the arse end of a pen, without success, sadly.
Oddly, I'm starting to think it might be slightly heat related, if I leave the phone off for a while it seems ok, and stops responding to taps more after it's been on for a while. Very strange.
hipster
I knocked up an impression of what I get when tapping in a pattern in the Notes application, image attached.
Reading other posts about perceived performance problems with the Kaiser, I wonder if there are other cases where it seems like it's locked up, but in fact it's just taking an age to figure out what you've just asked it to do, essentially just a problem with the touchscreen, not the whole device. That's definitely one of the symptoms I get....
It's back with the menders now, hopefully, they'll manage to sort it out this time...
Cheers
hipster
Not sure if it could be similar, but I had a Tablet PC which was prone to interference from the power supply. Perhaps this is the case. May the sheilding is not up to snuff? I am by no means an expert, but this might give you another path to explore for problem resolution. Hope it helps.
I have been using my Xperia X1 for couple of months and since I'm a heavy user of the slide-out keyboard (for Internet, SMS, e-mails etc), I noticed that some of the keys especially on the lower side, such as the Fn (blue) C, V, N, spacebar and dot (.) keys are not as responsive as other keys. I need some extra "push" on the affected keys compared to other keys. This is irritating since the letters would be "skipped" if I type fast and I always need to backspace and correct it.
I suspect it might be due to some mechanical issues on the keys and not related to the phone's software, is there a way I can fix this? Shall I bring it to the service centre since it's still under warranty?
Thanks in advance.
im starting to experience this thing too. For some reason the spacebar button needed to be press harder. ITs quite irritating because i dont like to prees button that hard when im typing
I am also experiencing a similar issue, mainly the 'v' key that irritates me, it will either not respond or be like 'vvv' when I press it.. I presume this is a hardware issue?
im thinking about getting it back to shop for a repair. But that'll take a while or so to fix the keyboard etc.
And yes, i think it is a hardware issue.
Looks like the same problem
I can't realise that I have to press harder, but the issue with the lost or double letter seems the same it's the 'n' and 'm' in my case... very annnoyinnng
below is my post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495897
So, if it's hardware, means they fix it and after two month it starts again on heavy users???
i have the same problem too. my friend(use to work at SE service center ) suggest i go down and change the keyboard. as long and it's under warranty it's free.
my space button on the 'right' side needs extra effort. while on the 'left' side it's fine, but i'm use to using my right thumb to press space. and my fullstop button too.
my space is kapo!
Yes, my left space bar is less responsive as well and it can be quite irritating sometimes...
random multiple letters
Meh, I seem to be getting keyboard issues with mine too. Example:
o, p, l, a, i, f all seem to repeat 3 times, n gives an n and a space at the same time, m gives m and :, e repeats twice... Much annoyance, as I am usually meticulous with my spelling on emails and sms - none of this text speak crap. I have to re-read my messages before sending them now!
Anyone had any experience sending them off to K&N in the UK?
I'm proper miffed that Sony's "Next day replacement" thing only works if you are out of the country from which your device was purchased.
/rant!
Some of us picked this phone OVER the HD because of the keyboard. At the time I bought this phone, the THD is cheaper than the X1.
And guess what happens? The main defining feature of this phone messes up. We did not buy a cheap phone, or at least back then. It is stupid.
Having to press the space bar harder than other keys is lame. You can't type with confidence, having to correct the errors again and again. You can also choose to press extra hard on either the keyboard, which use alot of concentration, or press equally hard on all keys, which tires your hands out.
I can't even compose a email without my hands and mind hurting, or having missing keypresses. Miss those days, only 2 months back when I can type like a champ. Kudos to Vodaphone for discontinuing phone. Potential buyers should wait for TP2
Many face the same problem...
I think it's worth to complain officially and refer to this thread... I saw someone else opend another one... Anyway, with both threads there are a lot of users already. BTW, mine is getting worse, it's like a virus and infecting the other keys, slowly but steady. I go to a SE shop tomorrow...
AND YES, I ALSO PURCHASED IT MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE KEYBOARD...
is "au:" button workable??cos i press mine,it dint show anything..i remember it used to show something on the screen..and "n" annoy me the most,usually come out nnn when i press it..sad i only having it for 3 months..
okay i also got this problem... kinda funny 2 explain.. so looks i'm not the only 1.. but since obviously only we few have this problem (an here http://indrapr.blogspot.com/2009/03/annoying-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1s.html) it might really b hardware related...? anybody sent it in ?
pls XDA experts... could this b somehow software related?
dont think so coz i'm hard resetin and flashin the whole time and always have the same issue...
this problem really makes a huge part of the X1... useless..
plssss help...
superweijie said:
Potential buyers should wait for TP2
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Yeah, sure, buying another 500 € device which is produced by HTC. HTC is not capable of producing quality. All my HTC phones (Magician, Hermes and X1 - which is produced by HTC) had heavy quality issues. It's damn chinese (no) quality control, sorry for being politically incorrect, but that's the impression I get with many products these days.
My hope was that Sony Ericsson would check the quality of HTC better than themselves but I guess I was wrong. Even though the housing is quite solid, the coat peels off by nothing more than putting it into the pocket. And now, half a year after I have bought it for 500 €, the keyboard, which has been lousy since day one, starts to get even worse, making the X1 a ripoff. I think I will send the device in, also because of the coat peeling. I can, here in germany, exchange the device three times until they have to give me my money back - I really hope this will happen.
this has just started happening to me down one side of my keyboard (the right-hand side).
does this only seem to be happening to the right-hand side of the keyboard ?
is this happening to anyone with the standard rom ?
mine is exactly the opposite. The space bar from the right hand side is too sensitive lately, when i press it is adding three or even four spaces at a time!
Sony Ericson service know this problem as well.Like they also know crack in case problem.As i explain in 'do you regret' thread they know all this problem but they dont do anything to fix.Shame on them.You have to book your phone 3 times.Afterwards they ll give you new unit.That is it.Cheers
just read your blog post, (mr creator of the thread) and it describes exactly my situation, even they sucession in which keys started having issues.
anyways, your lucky you could fix it. I couldnt even if i wanted cuz i bought it in USA from a store that sold vodafone unlocked X1s and brought it to Latin America, so im basically screwed :S
im thinkin of opene it myself and clean it or something, but if guysand SE service had to replace it, i guess that wont help much :S
I have the same problem, with button 'a'. I just need to press it harder than the other buttons. That is very very annoying, to have BK issue with device, bought because of it. And ofcourse I have the "crack" issue, and I used a glue to stop the crack from spreading out.
Such quality issues are very annoying when you buy a 500 Euro smartphone.
So I either remove the glue (I hope SE won't make a problem of that) and return it to SE for KB replacement, or clean the keyboard by myself (there is a tutorial for that, but it doesn't look very easy). But ofcourse I have to wait until the 'a' button stops working completely and than wait for SE to do something about it.
I have a question about the SE service: do you think that they will refuse to take care of the phone because I used a glue for the crack on my X1? Could that be an excuse for them to refuse my warranty?
lol...this is just ridiculous...i got the same problem, but i thought to be too stupid to hit the keys correctly. on my device the "broken" keys are m,n,dot, right space bar...
going to send it in for repair...
first had this cracked case problem and now this one...
I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem (searches lead to fixes with keyboard lag, which help a lot, but my issue is different).
My keyboard is incredibly unresponsive; certain key (i.e. P and V) require incredibly hard repeated presses to register. My keyboard has been going down hill since I got it, but now its a downright pain to use (approaching 2 years of ownership). I'm wondering if this is simply a flaw with the device that most people deal with, or if I have a uniquely bad unit? It doesn't appear to be ROM dependent as this is a consistent problem with all.
Is there a buildup of dust/other stuff under the keys? Usually the most common cause of individual keys getting hard to press. Could also be the membrane inside is wearing. Either way, you'll need to pop her open to check.
I have the same problem with F and takes me to stomp on it before input, after time the Kaiser keyboard seems to become this way there are threads that say about opening up a text doc and circling around the key but never helped me, there must be a way to sort it via a new keyboard "or cleaning but pretty sure the keyboard is glued" but i just got used to it as the age of device.
Sorry i couldn't provide a fix but wanted to let you know your not alone
Thanks for your responses...I figured it was probably just dust or wear n tear, which makes sense as it gets worse as it gets older. I've already opened it up once to replace the screen and it was tricky putting it back together (the left hinge isn't perfect ) but maybe once I get another device I will give it a try.