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New To Push Email - Please Help

Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman

Hi,
Push Email (or "DirectPush" as Microsoft seem to call it) only works in conjuction with an Exchange server I'm afraid. It doesn't work with POP3 boxes.
There are probably some companies offering POP3-->Exchange services for people like yourself wanting push email who don't have Exchange (or there will likely be some) but I don't personally know of any at the moment.
DirectPush works by connecting to an HTTP server (Exchange) and keeping the connection open/idle until something changes then a ActiveSync is performed. The POP3 protocol simply doesn't have anything to allow you to keep it open without sending something constant to keep it alive which would seriously add up on the traffic.

thanks xanth
I'm actually gonna have an Exchange Server 2003 soon. I read that I need SP2 installed aswell
Where do I go from there then? ie configuring my k-jam.

Configuring the mobile devices themselves isn't particularly hard. When you set up the sync instead of syncing with Outlook you specify with an Exchange server and just follow the prompts. It seems to connect/realise DirectPush (SP2) is available and that's it. You configure the schedule... and away it goes.
I found setting up the server was the hardest part. Well not hard, just more time consuming. You'll want/need to create you own SSL certificate (which will need installing on the device) unless you're purchasing a commercial one and configure the IIS timeout value (I'm still experimenting with this one) and then finally actually turn on DirectPush from System Manager. I think that was pretty much it though. Configuring Exchange etc in the first place takes more time than setting up push.

I'll have a pop and let you know..... thanks

I am trying out a commercial hosted exchange service (www.utica.nl) now.
This works very wel, but it has a price too: 5.95 euro per month for the lite package/
Push Email works very good.
As an alternative I am thinking about setting up my own exchange server and having my company-email and calendar forwarded to that one.
What do you advise to run exchange 2003 SP2:
- Windows version / SP?
- Hardware
(I am on a 20Mb down / 2Mb up broadband connection wich allows me to run servers, so there is no issue)

Well you'll need Windows 2000 or 2003 standard server or higher (won't run on a non-server platform), but see this link for full requirements:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/evaluation/sysreqs/2003.mspx
I am curious though, how will you forward Calendar events (and contacts?) from one system to another please? I'm not sure I'll ever want to do that, but certainly sounds like something worth knowing!
Cheers!

What would the GPRS cost be to have this open/idle connection active all day and night. Would it send check data every few minutes?
I only ask as my contract talk plan gives me 100KB of data a month for free but after that I pay in chunks.
Thanks
Ben

Here's a paper you cna read...

Mines seems to use between 6kb and 9kb an hour when idle. I wouldn't take that as a rule, just my personal experience. Obviously it goes up a lot more when the actual emails come in!

Wow that's a fantastic guide! Should be put on a new post/stickied or something! Thanks for the files!

Xanth,
That's like 5.5MB a month without a single email going over!
Guess I wont be switching it on then.
Thanks for your reply.
Ben

Well it could just be down to me having flakey service or something and it reconnecting a lot (I haven't noticed that though), but the 6 to 9 kbytes was from running GPRS Monitor and running a report and looking at the overnight hours where I know I didn't get any emails for hours on end.

Router settings
The other thing that is going to make a difference would be the setting on the server. The longer the session can be kept open between the router and the phone the least amount of data that will need to be transfered. For example 15 minutes seems a common amount of time to keep the line openm, at the end of those 15 minutes your phone will initiated a new connection i.e. traffic. Obviously the more often it does this the more traffic generated and the more power needed.

Can i push task or agenda items which are located on the public folders?

scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21

scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21

My hosted exchange trial gave e my answer: not gonna work the way I want it. The trouble is with the forwarding of calendar events (that what i want it for).
So setting up my own server will not bring any relief either.
Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription.
Good to try anyway.

does anybody has any experience with this vgsmail stuff?
my e-mail provider supports imap and I could live with a delay of 30sec....

hi, Guys
I am using O2 XDAII unit now, and I am going to push an email to the XDAII thru GPRS. I've seen you guys' discussion above, it really gives me a clue to do the further research.
hi, Edsurb, Re: "Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription", does it mean there are 2 ways to push an email?
(1) We can set an MS Exchange Server 2003 then do some setting in both Exchange server side and the XDA unit, I wonder if the XDA unit can get the email thru GPRS once after the email is sent, how long will it be delayed, how much it costs, it seems it is a way that the XDA unit checks the Exchange server periodically while not a true push, right?
(2) To get a blackberry subscription. Is it a true push? Can a XDAII unit get a blackberry subscription from O2 network?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!

mulitple microsoft exchange accounts?

Is it possible to have multiple microsoft exchange accounts on my Kaiser - Running Dutty's latest rom 04/03/08
also what would happen with the calendars and contacts?

chriscc01 said:
Is it possible to have multiple microsoft exchange accounts on my Kaiser - Running Dutty's latest rom 04/03/08
also what would happen with the calendars and contacts?
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In my opinion this is not possible since you only have one activesync client.
Would be nice though....

ok heres is the situation, i have 2 exchange accounts, and i can access one via IMAP but then i dont have same sync up as an exchange
can one of the gods write a program for this
Gods any ideas - im sure nothing is out of your capabilities

http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive...lic.pocketpc.activesync/2006-09/msg00251.html
just found the above link, havent tried it yet

made the registry change but cant see any ability to add any further excange accounts!

someone - anyone - GODS do you have an answer to this?

I have tried and tested this solution however havent had the required results!!! I have an exchange server (my own) and my laptop (work) and I am trying to synch so that I have all my calendar appointments on my phone and my own exchange server! When I synch with my work laptop I get all my own calendar onto the laptop but not on the phone!!! any ideas on how to work around this issue????
Basically I want to synch 2 calendars!! Surely there must be an easier way!!!

As far i know its not possible. it works like outlook. Outlook support (until now) only 1 Exchange account (if u use RPC-HTTP you can switch profiles). And on a PDA there is only one client available. And other technical issue is security, like blackberry, there is a remote wipe function (wipe your PDA if your PDA get stolen). And this not possible if you have 2 exchange accounts (in case of 2 different domains example 2 different companies). Policies on the PDA will be forced by the exchange to make this possible.
So to give you a conclusion, until now its not possible. However if somebody find a hack, it could be possible. But microsoft doesnt support it (yet)

Sandbunny said:
As far i know its not possible. it works like outlook. Outlook support (until now) only 1 Exchange account (if u use RPC-HTTP you can switch profiles). And on a PDA there is only one client available. And other technical issue is security, like blackberry, there is a remote wipe function (wipe your PDA if your PDA get stolen). And this not possible if you have 2 exchange accounts (in case of 2 different domains example 2 different companies). Policies on the PDA will be forced by the exchange to make this possible.
So to give you a conclusion, until now its not possible. However if somebody find a hack, it could be possible. But microsoft doesnt support it (yet)
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cheers sand bunny thought I maybe attempting the impossible!!
Bearing in mind I have two exchange calendars - is there a workaround that may enable me to get my work calendar in my kaiser? Is there an app that allows you to send the calendar file to my phone in a single file format and then enable me to load into the kaiser calendar? Alternatively is there a calendar sharing facility or publish claendars that may enable me to use both calendars in my kaiser??

anybody got any experience of using the following app:-
http://www.odysseyinc.com/subpages/Software/On-Schedule/PocketPC.htm#multiple
seems to state it can do what I am after - have installed it and trying to get the thing to work though it appears pretty complex!!!

JPHCCFC said:
cheers sand bunny thought I maybe attempting the impossible!!
Bearing in mind I have two exchange calendars - is there a workaround that may enable me to get my work calendar in my kaiser? Is there an app that allows you to send the calendar file to my phone in a single file format and then enable me to load into the kaiser calendar? Alternatively is there a calendar sharing facility or publish claendars that may enable me to use both calendars in my kaiser??
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Do you use GPRS or UMTS 2 sync your PDA? Or do you use the computer?

I use UMTS2 - I tried that On Schedule software and it doenst appear to do what I need it to! I have tried the registry change and then synched with the desktop pc as well as the exchange server and that doesnt work!!!
Even sent a .ics of my work calendar for the next week and that didnt work!
Surely it shouldnt be this difficult!!!

i do this. here is what i do.....
I have an exchange server that i use active sync with. this server is at company 1.
i have XpressMail running at company 2 that connects to an exchange server.
I have 2 calendars and 2 email accounts that are always in sync. I also have 2 address books. pretty neat.
at company 2, my desktop PC is always on.

Id runner that is exactly what I want to achieve - how do you do that? is it something that XpressMail has built in as I cant get anything to achieve this with Outlook 2007, exchange 2007 and active sync!

XpressMail is a free feature on all AT&T / Cingular smartphones.
if you do not have AT&T then you cannot use it.
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/solutions/email-messaging/xpress-mail-personal-howto.jsp
I also use Facade. since Facade has an xpressmail plugin, i get both calanders and inboxes on my home screen.

rules me out then! back to the drawing board!
has anyone used pocket mirror? http://www.chapura.com/downloads_trials.php

Perhaps this warning is unnecessary for most users here but be careful where you install XpressMail because your employer might have a policy against it.

JPHCCFC said:
rules me out then! back to the drawing board!
has anyone used pocket mirror? http://www.chapura.com/downloads_trials.php
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I just called Chapura and they said this product only works via cradled sync so I didn't bother speaking further.

JPHCCFC said:
made the registry change but cant see any ability to add any further excange accounts!
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I have it.
One exchange server is my company serveur (used by activesync on my laptop)
The second one (maybe it's the trick) is one OTA (mail2web.com)
Working like a charme.
I am synchronizing with my laptop which has Outlook account on a server, my home (stand alone outlook) and mail2web.

rom I have two exchnage servers one mail2web personal and one work exchabge server! I want to synch over the air for my personal exchange account however would be happy to synch via laptop for the work exchange! this is where the problem starts! does your solution resolve that? I only really want the calendar to synch but just cannot find a solution which intergrates with two calendars!
jdsx I would be happy to synch over the pc for my work calendar as I could do this at the end of the day! do you think chapura will cater for this?

Need help - Outlook setup

Hi All,
Sorry if this is a wrong forum.
I have a Kaiser and I want to setup it up to receive my office email on it. Only problem is that my company didn't buy microsoft license for an exchange server, which means I cannot setup my phone with exchange server to receive emails automatically,
Is there any other service which will let me push emails from outlook to the phone through internet?
Please suggest if there is a way to receive emails on phone without the exchange server?
Appreciate your help,
Thanks

yes
I think you just need a soft just like "push mail" and then set it in a right way.I'm sorry I can not take some picture for you so that you can set it by them.

Do they have a webmail or smtp service?

tyguy said:
Do they have a webmail or smtp service?
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Not sure, All I have is the outlook setup for office emails on my laptop, and I only get emails if I'm connected to the office intranet or log in through the VPN on outside network,What can I use to get the outlook emails on the phone (either directly or through push services)
thank you for your help

For push/pull you (your company) needs to install the services from microsoft.
Can you ask if they have any external services installed? Keep in mind VPN is like if you are in the inside network, just through a secure channel through the internet.
I didn't read yet but if you look in the forums "General" section or use <search> you'll find tons of things regarding VPN access using WM5/6 or WM6.1
IF your company has SMTP (Simple Mail Transport Protocol) services installed you may be able to access company email like you receive gmail or yahoo (though I doubt that they have it installed).

configuring Outlook for OWA

Hi All,
I apologize for posting here for a simple thing. I hv HTC Touch Diamond. I want to configure Outlook for my email, calendar etc with my corporate exchange server. Assuming I dont want to synchronize through activesync on my PC. Because from a PC I want to check mails using OWA. If I am not at my desk I want to receive emails on to my mobile.
I have tried all various ways of configuring it. One search has asked me to enable OMA(Outlook Mobile Access) on my corporate exchange server which is not in my hands.
Using GPRS is there a way I can receive corporate emails on to my HTC Diamond ?
Regards
ravi

s_ravi_kumar said:
Hi All,
I apologize for posting here for a simple thing. I hv HTC Touch Diamond. I want to configure Outlook for my email, calendar etc with my corporate exchange server. Assuming I dont want to synchronize through activesync on my PC. Because from a PC I want to check mails using OWA. If I am not at my desk I want to receive emails on to my mobile.
I have tried all various ways of configuring it. One search has asked me to enable OMA(Outlook Mobile Access) on my corporate exchange server which is not in my hands.
Using GPRS is there a way I can receive corporate emails on to my HTC Diamond ?
Regards
ravi
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but you might wanna use this app: Mobipush
http://www.mobipush.com
It's like a push mail server which will forward any mail to your Diamond...it's free of charge...just give it a try...I'm using it and I love it...
Good luck
Regards,
Jeroen

Pietje_1985 said:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you might wanna use this app: Mobipush
http://www.mobipush.com
It's like a push mail server which will forward any mail to your Diamond...it's free of charge...just give it a try...I'm using it and I love it...
Good luck
Regards,
Jeroen
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No Luck. It errors out saying it cannot get IMAP server details.

s_ravi_kumar said:
No Luck. It errors out saying it cannot get IMAP server details.
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By the way, My company uses BlackBerry.

s_ravi_kumar said:
No Luck. It errors out saying it cannot get IMAP server details.
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s_ravi_kumar said:
By the way, My company uses BlackBerry.
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Ahh..I see....well than for now I cant offer you a solution.... sorry...
Keep us posted about your progress allright?
Thanks mate!
Jeroen
b.t.w. if you gonna use the app, type in your server details manually...than (for me) it should work

Thanks Jeroen. I will post any progress I make. Btw isnt it frustrating ? I have WM and outlook in installed , internet is available on mobile and my company uses Exchange Server still I cant receive emails on my mobile.
hmm.. I am sure there will be other people who are interested in or already using by some way.
Thanks again Jeroen.
-Ravi

Although your company uses exchange they need to configure OMA on their servers. Although you say they have OWA that doesnt mean it will work on your mobile. they also need to have a specific version/service pack level on their exchange server.
The fact they use blackberrys suggests they havnt configured the OMA part that you need. If they did then your company will be the only ones who can help you as they will need to supply you with the OMA server address (usually different to your OWA one) and in many cases a certificate to use.
There really is nothing we can do, its all down to your companys IT department.

This is what you have to do:
Go to your Systems Administrator and ask him whether it's possible to receive email on your diamond. Minimal requirements are:
1. Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 installed
2. OWA and Mobile access enabled for your user account on your corportate network.
3. The root certificate of your Certificate Authority. This can be a third party certificate like Verisign or one from your own CA within your corporate network.
4. OWA certificate. This is probably the same ssl certificate you use when you try to access your corporate email from the internet like https://webmail.corporate.com
You have to import both the root certificate as well as the webmail certificate on your diamond and configure the settings.
I have configured this many times for my users with both Exchange 2003 and Exchange 2007 and works great.
Good luck and don't hesitate if you need more info.

The others are right in saying that OWA needs to be configured and available. The other snafu is if there is a cert or not... for example, my company does not use a cerrt and had a re-direct... so the real URL is:
http://mail.mycompany.com/exchange
but they publish the URL as
http://mail.mycomany.com
which has a redirect page to the above URL. You need to make sure you have the full URL: http://mail.mycompany.com/exchange when you configure mail and *IF* they have a cert or not... by default I beleive WM6 assumes a cert.

Thanks all for the suggestions. I have asked my company to enable OMA and configure it. But since we are a blackberry shop they said that they cant do it. Mean while I saw BBConnect for Diamond. Can I use this on Diamond to receive emails. Is there anything extra I need to do to work with BBConnect apart from Internet availability on Diamond ?
-Ravi

[Q] Exchange 2003 Settings on HD7

Ok, so I don't know if anyone else is having a problem setting up their HD7 with corporate email (Exchange 2003) but I think I need some help on this one. I have tried some other forums in regards to troublesooting this issue but I still get one error or the other concerning not being able to connect.
Can someone just please tell me what the actual settings on the phone should be?
Username: ??
Password: (obvious)
Domain: ??
Server: ??
Server requires encrypted (SSL) connection (Check or uncheck)
Please I need the actual structure of how these fields should be entered.
Any help would be much appreciated.

What do you mean.. It's pretty straight forward. Did you configure your Exchange server on the Win 6.5 or any other Smart Phone Exchange account?
I personally use the OWA (Outlook Web Access) settings.
For my settings (this is how I log into my OWA)
Username: just my username NOT my entire email (this could be different as per your company's policies).
Password: You should know that
Domain: I have a domain for my work, but I know that it's not always required that you need a domain. I did have to enter a domain at my previous employer.
Server: This is always required. In my case, its the web address that comes after the https:// when I sign into my OWA account.
Hope this helps.

I have tried that and this is the error I get along with troubleshooting tips that I tried.
"There is a problem with the certificate for mail.mydomain.com. Error Code: 80072F06
I was told to try and retrieve the cert from my IIS and I emailed that to my hotmail and then installed the cert. The problem still persists. I also tried getting a third party root cert as well from www.cacert.org. Same issue.
What do you think the problem can be? And I don't think am the only one with this issue.

VizagDude said:
What do you mean.. It's pretty straight forward. Did you configure your Exchange server on the Win 6.5 or any other Smart Phone Exchange account?
I personally use the OWA (Outlook Web Access) settings.
For my settings (this is how I log into my OWA)
Username: just my username NOT my entire email (this could be different as per your company's policies).
Password: You should know that
Domain: I have a domain for my work, but I know that it's not always required that you need a domain. I did have to enter a domain at my previous employer.
Server: This is always required. In my case, its the web address that comes after the https:// when I sign into my OWA account.
Hope this helps.
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I have configured exchange on Win. MO 6.5 on my HTC Touch HD back then and it was a breeze. All I entered was incoming and outgoing set to mail.mydomain.com and that was it.
Apparently its a different ball game with Windows Phone 7.

gamefrick said:
I have configured exchange on Win. MO 6.5 on my HTC Touch HD back then and it was a breeze. All I entered was incoming and outgoing set to mail.mydomain.com and that was it.
Apparently its a different ball game with Windows Phone 7.
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I'm not sure if that was an exchange account you configured if you had options for incoming and outgoing mail servers. They are usually configured for POP mail accounts.
Sorry it the info wasn't helpful.

It's not really a different game with WP7. The same settings you would use on an iphone/WM6.5/Android is what you would use on a WP7.
As for the cert issue, if you are able to use exchange with any other smartphone OS, you should be able to with WP7.
My problem with exchange/WP7 is that I have to let it fail upon entering username/pw to get it to prompt for the domain. Then I have to let it fail so I can hit the advanced button to enter the servername (typically mail.servername.com).
I would like to be able to enter all 4 fields from the get go.

mail the .cert to your Live account that you use on your phone and open it on the phone click the .cert and it get downloaded , click it again . (it will install the .cert)
then try to setup your exchange again .

after i mail the cert, do I have to delete the account and reenter it or just try to resync or should it matter?
Honestly, this is really kicking my butt. I actually went on our exchange server, went to iis and got the cert off of the EAS and I rebooted my HD7 but no luck. I am going to try and setup the email again and see what happens.

gamefrick said:
after i mail the cert, do I have to delete the account and reenter it or just try to resync or should it matter?
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I don't know , but I think it doesn't matter.

Still doesn't work....I am about to start pulling out my hair literally.

If you want a quick and easy solution, buy an actual digitally signed cert from a legit CoA like godaddy and install it on your exchange server. It will help with so many things, and your phone wont ask you for a cert anymore.

But my concern is why we have to go through that because we want to sync a "SMART" phone with corporate email. Really, is it worth buying a cert for that. I mean if Android, BB and Iphone can pull it off without any hassle, why should Microsoft make us go through all that and apparently no one complains much about this which makes it more annoying.

Yes, it is worth buying a cert for it. We're talking 30 bucks or so, and you won't have to rely on your servers self-signed cert. Things like mail.server.com/exchange will work flawlessly on any machine, never asking you to add an exception, etc.
Even if you had NO smartphones, it's a worthy investment, if only to have your mailserver more legit to the interwebs.
So yes, 30 dollars and an hour of your time are most certainly worth it.
"I mean if Android, BB and Iphone can pull it off without any hassle..."
It's a total hassle. You have to get a cert to the phone somehow and install it. Put a real cert on your server and you never ever have to do that crap again.

I am having similar problem. I tried the solution and saved the .cer file to HD7, however Exchange server is still not working with the same error

was anyone able to get this working?
Without having to buy the certificate

jimbonics said:
So yes, 30 dollars and an hour of your time are most certainly worth it.
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Where the hell do you get exchange cert for 30 bucks? The cheapest i´ve seen was like 200.
OP: you HAVE to import your servers self-issued cert, it won´t work without it, import it, and then do the settings, also make sure that you have activesync enabled on the server´s side.