Hello again, I am curently owner of the QTEK 9000 wich is a VGA device.
I am thinking about buying a KAISER but I am afraid of going back to QVGA ... I don't want to be disapointed !
Does someone did that ? I mean going from a VGA device to a QVGA one ?
How do you deal with it ?
Thanks a lot !
You will be not disappointed.
I still have the QTEK 9000 but never use this device as phone.
only application where i miss the VGA is the RDP
I did also use the G900 for view days. (800x480)
RDP was great..other application did not use the wide screen.
G900 was just to slow for daily usage
I was happy of VGA resolution for excel sheets using, I do it a lot. It is cool to be able to display a wide sheet.
Also for internet browsing ... I think I will miss VGA for that.
dizzy33 said:
I was happy of VGA resolution for excel sheets using, I do it a lot. It is cool to be able to display a wide sheet.
Also for internet browsing ... I think I will miss VGA for that.
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I dont like the QVGA. The font is very blurry. Everything is not clear. Even the games do not function well. Like SPB AirIslands lags. I suggest you stick to HTC Universal and wait till HTC Omni hits.
Or else I suggest the O2 XDA Flame. Which is much much better. ^^
Yes, O2 XDA Flame seems to be a great pocket pc ! Everything I need, except one very important thing for me : the hardware keyboard !!! The same device with a hardware keyboard and the same size as the Kaiser, I buy it what ever its price !
I really don't miss going back, the TyTn screen is pretty good, I still keep my HP 4" VGA hx4700 PPC at home for WiFi Slingboxing. The smaller Kaiser screen is just fine for me, given all the features that the phone has.
No question, I'd buy a TyTn III tomorrow IF it had a good VGA Transreflective display. Don't think any mobile device should be sold without a transreflective display.
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Yes, O2 XDA Flame seems to be a great pocket pc ! Everything I need, except one very important thing for me : the hardware keyboard !!! The same device with a hardware keyboard and the same size as the Kaiser, I buy it what ever its price !
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There is actually an Infrared Keyboard that O2 makes. Its called the O2 XM-02. It is sold as an accessory pack. Many retailers in Australia sell it. O2 Infrared Keyboard. The same size as the Kaiser. Its a QWERTY keyboard. Very sleek.
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i have jasjar, tytn and now touch.
after some time of using tytn and touch, i still prefer jasjar so much. that's why i can't dspose it.
planning to buy kaiser (tytn ii) also but it's very hard to throw away jasjar, so that's keeping me away from getting kaiser. at least for now.
might still get the kaiser and retain the universal.
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There is actually an Infrared Keyboard that O2 makes. Its called the O2 XM-02. It is sold as an accessory pack. Many retailers in Australia sell it. O2 Infrared Keyboard. The same size as the Kaiser. Its a QWERTY keyboard. Very sleek.
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Thanks but I'm not a fan of external keyboard : one more thing to charge (one more power supply to bring with you, plus it increases the size of your pocketpc).
I have been in a shop today to see the TYTN II (in France), all sold, even the demo one ! So I couldn't see it ... Frustrating !
About the VGA affair, in fact I saw that the screen is the same size as the HTC 3600, wich is pretty small. So I think that VGA on a 2.8 inches screen would be pretty unusable with small fonts. So to keep this PDA at a small size, maybe it's better to keep QVGA wich is less cpu power consuming.
Hard to make a choice !
I can give you some reasons why going back to QVGA isnt bad.
first of all, since it's a lower resolution, it takes less CPU power, and less battery power. that means things will be faster, such as games. (i mean think about it, when you play a game on a computer and lower the resolution, it gets faster).
second, there are 2 programs out there that allow you to change the resolution of a QVGA screen using zooming, you can zoom to a certain extentent without it looking bad, or you can change the resolution and just navigate around the screen:
Nydot virtual display: http://www.nyditot.com/Home.asp
DotPocket: http://www.dotpocket.com/
you can use these apps for internet browsing
I think gaming is better using QVGA, since a 2.8" is already a pretty good size.
These softwares sound very interesting ... !!! it seems they can apply a high resolution where all fit on the screen (up to 800x600) ??? How can they do that ? Did you try it ? Does it really look like a real 640 x 480 for exemple ? I have read some reviews, they say that small fonts are unreadable (wich seems normal to me, the number of pixels in the screen stay the same 320x240, there is nothing magic !), we need a soft reset each time we want to change the resolution, and it is CPU power consuming ...
In that case, wich one is the less CPU power consuming : the software or the real VGA hardware ???
So I am only partially conviced ...
Dont' miss VGA at all!!!
I'm coming from the ETEN X500+ which is a VGA device.
I simply LOVED the Today Screen on the X500+ for its crispness and brightness. The icons looked great too. It was simply beautiful...BUT THAT WAS IT!!
The price I paid for having VGA on that device was RAM ALWAYS being LOW. With only a handful of apps loaded in memory, RAM would drop to 5MB!! After a RESET, RAM was only 20MB free!! Out the box, RAM was only 40MB available with 25MB free (it was supposed to be a 64MB RAM device)!! ETEN said it was due to the overhead of the VGA. I couldn't run Call of Duty since it requires at least 11-16MB of RAM free.
I use EXCEL spreadsheets, PDF and IE a lot. But even with the ability to jump to high rez in these apps, the text was way too small to read on the screen for long periods of time.
Mapopolis and Google Maps did look and work GREAT in high rez too; but I'll take the lower rez devices any day at this point.
These just weren't selling points for me to be convinced that WM6 devices is ready for VGA. IMO, you'll need screens the size of most UMPCs to really enjoy it.
TEC
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These softwares sound very interesting ... !!! it seems they can apply a high resolution where all fit on the screen (up to 800x600) ??? How can they do that ? Did you try it ? Does it really look like a real 640 x 480 for exemple ? I have read some reviews, they say that small fonts are unreadable (wich seems normal to me, the number of pixels in the screen stay the same 320x240, there is nothing magic !), we need a soft reset each time we want to change the resolution, and it is CPU power consuming ...
In that case, wich one is the less CPU power consuming : the software or the real VGA hardware ???
So I am only partially conviced ...
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up to 5000x5000 actually lol, any size you want. but your right, the more you increase teh resolution the harder it will be to read. there is no point for VGA if it doesnt have the big enough sized screen. the athena screen shows true VGA, but anything smaller would look too small and hard to read. i have not tried myself, i dont have a pocket pc, only a smartphone. on the website it says to read the directions carefully or you may have to hard reset your phone
Finally I bought a htc prophet (Qtek S200) for only 50€ ... As the screen is the same as the Kaiser, I'll see if I can deal with it.
Then I'll sell it, the only way to be sure that the Kaiser won't disapoint me !
qoing from vga (universal) to tytn II too.
i am little bit worry about screen, but as i had mda compact before - screen was ok and maybe little bit better then vga in some cases. now i am open to change big screen for more powerful device, even with qvga
looking forward for it!
I've just moved over from the Universal to the Kaiser, and yes in some ways I miss the VGA (RDP/Opera), but there the only misses, I can make do with Opera and RDP on the QVGA.... I've just kept the Universal and pop my sim in it when I know I'm going to need the VGA...
Love the Kaiser though, much easier on the pocket.....
I switched from a combo of V3XX RAZR with my Palm TX for the TyTN2 to have 3G and PIM, Multimedia, etc. all in one device. The Palm had a Half VGA (HVGA ?) res of 480x360 and I'm still getting used to less screen real estate.
It's most noticeable for me in web browsing and excel docs as mentioned above, but other than that I'm not missing much else.
So here is my feeling of going back to a QVGA device :
in fact, I am not very disapointed. The fact that the screen is only a 2.8 inches model (compared to the 3.7 inches for the Universal) makes the pixels smaller so it still does look good. But reading excel files with small textes becomes too difficult. So I will definitly have to scroll more reading the files.
But this is not a big deal, compared to the fact that the S200 is so small that I can really use it as a phone, and I don't feel it in my pocket !
Even using it as a GPS was good.
So I think I will finally buy a Kaiser when the prices will drop a little.
I'm having the same issue....hard to let go of my Universal, but I am just tired of the size of it, and having to lug it around. Thinking to make the change to the TyTnII
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I'm having the same issue....hard to let go of my Universal, but I am just tired of the size of it, and having to lug it around. Thinking to make the change to the TyTnII
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The Universal size is my problem too ... I am just using the prophet for only 3 days, but I love it cause I can bring it really everywhere with me, it is in my pocket all day long and I don't feel it. Also it is so small that I can really use it as a phone, so my original phone stays home ! I am sure now that I have to sell my Universal, the prophet/kaiser size is really what I need, even if I loose VGA (since I am using the prophet, I really don't miss VGA !).
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Hello,
I wrote many posts about my disapointment on the Kaiser performances, but this one will surely be the last one, I'm gonna sell my Kaiser.
At first, I thought I had to just get used to it, but after about 20 days of use, I definitly just CANNOT get use to it !
It may be a good device for phone, email, GPS, all kind of serious work; but about the entertainment, it is a bad device from my point of view :
- it can't play VGA videos with a good frame rate : we all know the driver "not existing" problem. But when you pay the high price for this device, you also pay for the Qualcomm processor, wich in the case of the Kaiser does not give you all it should !!!
Also I noticed that displaying streaming videos from the web was slower than on my old HTC Universal (wich is one of the slower HTC machine about displaying videos because it is a VGA device with no hardware accelerator).
- games and emulators run slower than on my HTC Prophet device (wich is overclocked at 240 Mhz where my Kaiser runs at 380 Mhz !) : it's for real, I just tested again many games and emulators and the frame rate is better on the HTC Prophet.
- the pad isn't good for gaming (because of its shape) : the horizontal size of it is too big compared to the vertical size. So when you play fast action games, you need to move your finger from one side of the D-pad to the other side (on the horizontal side), you can't leave your finger on the D-pad. So you loose time when using the D-pad, I don't know if what I say is clear enough ... Also, in fast action games, when pressing the left side of the D-pad, if I press it too firmly, I can feel the screen moving a little bit, just like if I wanted to open the hardware keyboard.
The buttons around the pad are too small. Many times, when playing, I press two buttons at the same time instead of just one.
From my point of view, it is the worst Pocket PC I had to play games (I had a Casio EM505, Ipaq 1930, Dell Axim X50v, HTC Prophet ...).
To try to improve the performances, I tried many tweaks given by you guys on this forum (thanks for that), it worked for some things but only partially, unfortunatly not enough to make me think that my Kaiser has a decent speed.
I know the Kaiser is not a gaming machine, but it is hard to accept these performances problems when you know that most of the other HTC machines, with lower prices, run faster !!! It is really a shame that HTC didn't make any driver to just use the power of the Qualcomm processor, but they let us pay for it !!!
Along with these performances problems, I'm also disapointed about the overall finish quality of this device :
- the d-pad looseness : I hate to feel the buttons and the pad moving under my fingers.
- it's made of plastic, compared to my Prophet wich is made of metal, I feel the need to protect my Kaiser with a good cover, wich increase the size it takes in my pocket (where my Prophet just had no protection).
- the power on button is not in a good position : too close from the screen and not enough sticking, so many times I push the screen while pressing it, and I also need to always look at my Kaiser and search for the button to power it on or off. Someone in this forum gave a solution for that, where we put 3D paint on the button, but seriously, doing that on a device of this price, it's a shame again !
- the weight : the Kaiser is about twice heavier than my Prophet (well, it is my feeling). But it is hard to blame HTC on this because the Kaiser has so many things inside, could they do better ? I'm not sure.
- the micro-sd door make me feel like it could break very easily.
- the keyboard : all keys does not give the same feeling when pressing them, so I always have to look at the screen while typing to be sure the key I pressed is really pressed or is not pressed twice. I thought I could get use to it, but after 20 days of use, I just say "no !". I tried the keyboard of the TYTN (the old one, the TYTN 1) of one of my friend, and it is really better ! Also the space bar gives two clicks when you press it (strange feeling) where the TYTN space bar gives only one (wich is better).
- the camera : I took a few pictures, and as on many pocketpc/phone, from my point of view the quality just make me think it's a gadget again, but about that I don't really care because I just don't need it (but again, I paid for it).
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
The only good part I like on the Kaiser is the GPS, it's working very well.
It may also be good as a phone, but I didn't use it yet so let's say it's good (everyone say so).
So I took the decision to sell it, and maybe wait for the "TYTN III"
But for the next one, I guess I'll wait more before buying it for other people to give a lot more opinions. Now I also have a 6GB micro-sd to sell (one week old !), I will lose money but that will make me feel happier !
How much do you want for thsi pile of trash?
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Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
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Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.
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how much for the card!
I posted something similar yesterday and I have moved it here:
I went from the i-mate JASJAM (TyTN) to the TyTN II, and below are part of something I posted on another site:
New annoyances with TyTN II, issues I didn't have with the JASJAM:
1. Playing MP4 videos in PMP10; sound and video out of sync.
2. Occasional sluggishness (CPU not enough?).
3. Screen sometimes doesn't react to tapping if screen tapping sounds are enabled or if using other apps which gives sound feedback, like Bubble Breaker.
4. Poor quality Bluetooth audio for handsfree phone calls, similar to what you get with two tin cans and a string.
5. If you're right-handed and slide out the keyboard, then need to use the stylus, you have to perform some minor acrobatics to get it out from the left side. Be careful not to drop the phone!!!
6. A GPS device with a transmissive screen? HTC hopes that everyone will be using the GPS indoors? JASJAM's screen was transflective but probably because of the lack of GPS
7. Night mode in the camera can not be switched on or off manually. The camera will decide when night mode is required, and this is the case even when strong fluorescent light is available, making it impossible to use the camera hand-held indoors.
8. The camera takes all photos in portrait mode. You have to hack the registry to make it switch to landscape mode.
Of the above points, I hope the first four could be solved if HTC would ever release ROM updates.
And HTC: WTF is "USB 2.0 Full Speed"??!?! You're trying to deceive customers? Full speed (12Mbps) is USB 1.1!!! USB 2.0 gives High Speed, which is 480Mbps, which of course the TyTN II doesn't support.
To add something positive about the TyTN II:
- Keyboard is much nicer. It gives more feeling of quality than the cheap metal dome calculator keys the JASJAM had. The TyTN II's keyboard is probably the same, but they have managed to improve the "feel".
- A2DP! Using my SE DS970 headset, sound quality is very good. Not with PMP10 though. I'm using PocketMusic which gives something similar to SE's MegaBass.
- I love the case! Mocha leather feel and that ultra-soft velcro flap gives an almost naughty feeling to it
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- The 3MP camera is very good, although the 2MP in the JASJAM was also very good (with the right settings) and the increase in megapixels doesn't give the corresponding increase in photo quality. TyTN II photos are just a little better.
I could perhaps recommend the TyTN II to new users. But I would definitely not recommend upgrading from TyTN (JASJAM). Better buy a Bluetooth GPS, if this functionality is what you miss on the TyTN. If you need faster than 1.8 Mbps HSDPA, then choose another phone. Maybe the E90?
Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
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Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
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About the DivX file reading, yes you can read them if you encoded it with pocketdivx, you're right. Actually, you can do that with any pocketpc on the market, even with the cheapest one. But my problem is that when you look at the Qualcomm capabilities, you see that it should read VGA videos, without the need to convert them (my good old Axim X50V could do that, and it is now about 4 years old !). It would be, from my point of view, a lot more interesting if we could directly put the divx file into the Kaiser without having to convert it to some format each time. As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
Like you said, maybe I should give more time to my Kaiser, maybe someone (of course not an HTC people) will program the drivers for us, but it's all "maybe", and if I don't want to lose much money on my Kaiser, the sooner I sell it, the better it is.
I would really like to ear someone saying "hey, a driver to use the Qualcomm capabilities will be out soon", I would then really give more time to my Kaiser, but for now the only thing we have is the petition, and I guess HTC will not listen to us. Why would they ? So many people are using it only for its professionnal use (phone/GPS/emails etc...), I think they will not listen to 2000 people (if we are !), when the device is sold to something like dozens of thousand people, and I may be far from the real count.
I would definitly prefere to keep it, but it does not fit all my needs unfortunatly.
I would like to advise future buyers of this device that it is not as perfect as we can read in the reviews. If it's for a strictly professional use, it may be OK, but for entertainment, my advise would be "buy something else !".
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As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
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This is the main reason that my next phone will not be a HTC phone. The obviously poor quality of the Video in a "premium" product means that when I am "able" to upgrade my handset, it wont be HTC.
Phones like the LG Viewty and even the iPhone put this pile-of-crap to shame not obly for video and audio, but in the case of the Viewty for Camera quality.
I gave up on using the camera on my Kaiser/VarioIII within a week. The usability of the camera is poor (to juddery)
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Thanks a lot !
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
I will also sell Kaiser ... once I got a similiar replacement (probably Imate Ultimate 9502?).
I agree, for entertainment, Kaiser is the worst HTC product!
I for one like this better than the TYTN. For one thing, spring-loaded keyboard sold me to it. I hated how the TYTN keyboard gets loose after several uses. I must've replaced it 3-4 times under warranty. All of them turned out the same and when i finally dropped the phone due to mishandling caused by the looseness of the keyboard, that was it.... My only main gripe is the power button that i wished they somewhat elevated and what everyone is complaining about and that is the video driver support. But i'll give it time since it just came out less than a month or 2 ago. Then the GPS, 3mp camera are just little extras that made me want it some more.
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
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Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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Agreed. But Kaiser has so more untaped potential it's really frustrating HTC/Qualcomm gimped their hardware support.
It's also very shortsighted as HTC will be using the qualcomm platform for many products to come, and the kaiser "botch", when it will reach enough exposure, will certainly dent their sales.
coincoinlapin said:
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
it plays games?
the-uki said:
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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I'm sorry but I don't care about the fact that some other devices are worst. This does not make me like more my own device. The Kaiser problems are still there.
The main gripe with the Kaiser is speed. I hope that some day soon a clever bunny writes an Omap type app that'll overclock the Qualcomm. This, I'm sure, will make the device very usable.
If only I was the clever bunny.
sounds like you want a PSP rather than a phone
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
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Do you already have specs for the first htc gphone??
I have both of them here until I am able to sell the Tilt.
I am willing to take requests on features anyone wants to compare between the two and do some controlled tests.
1What are you wanting for the tilt?
2our accountant just got his PRO and he is in love with it. but he didnt let me play with it. is it fast and clean????
I really like the flush screen.
That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.
Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..
either way this phone fails when pitted against the might TILT..
Puny little tug boat VS The deadly bird of prey
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oh and another thing.. If you do a google image search for the word tilt, you get a naked girl I think.
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1What are you wanting for the tilt?
2our accountant just got his PRO and he is in love with it. but he didnt let me play with it. is it fast and clean????
I really like the flush screen.
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1. $300
2. It is fast and clean. The **** just works!
3. The flush screen is a little strange at first but I like it.
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That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.
Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..
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Wrong. It is a touch screen. Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro
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either way this phone fails when pitted against the might TILT..
Puny little tug boat VS The deadly bird of prey
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Um... wrong. This device is faster than my Tilt when it comes to usability or "Perceived Speed"
I can do more specific tests if requested.
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oh and another thing.. If you do a google image search for the word tilt, you get a naked girl I think.
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Meh. You can't use Googles flaws to say the Tilt is better.
I'd recommend you to keep your Tilt and see how Android suits you..
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]French street artist FTW![/SIZE][/FONT]
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I'd recommend you to keep your Tilt and see how Android suits you..
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]French street artist FTW![/SIZE][/FONT]
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Dirty!
The whole point for me IS windows mobile. Since I have the Tilt laying around though, I may give android a roll.
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Wrong. It is a touch screen. Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro
Um... wrong. This device is faster than my Tilt when it comes to usability or "Perceived Speed"
I can do more specific tests if requested.
Meh. You can't use Googles flaws to say the Tilt is better.
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The tilt is still way better. Now go to treocentral or something.
ChumleyEX said:
The tilt is still way better. Now go to treocentral or something.
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Keep telling yourself that.
Maybe it works for you because you DON'T use;
1. Camera
2. Video
3. Keyboard
4. Internet
I suppose if I didn't use that stuff I too could just keep the Tilt
That said. I don't want to turn this into a Kaiser bashing thread (there are enough already)
I want real comparisons that people are interested in when shopping for a device to replace their current device.
To be honest you had no reason to start this thread...
I use the keyboard, internet and camera all the time, (well camera sometimes).. The kayboard is way better than the one from the treo I have before, the intenet works swimmingly on the tilt, and the camera is on a cell phone.
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stupid treo pro
Platform Microsoft® Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional Edition
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201 400MHz
Display 320x320 transflective color TFT flush touchscreen
Radio HSDPA/UMTS/EDGE/GPRS/GSM radio
Tri-band UMTS – 850MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz
Quad-band GSM – 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g with WPA, WPA2, and 801.1x authentication
GPS Built-in GPS
Wireless Technology Bluetooth® 2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate; Infrared (IR)
Memory 256MB (100MB user available), 128MB RAM
Camera 2.0 megapixels with up to 8x digital zoom and video capture
Dimensions Length: 4.49", Width: 2.36", Depth: 0.53", Weight: 4.69 oz (omg 2.36" wide??? Finger cramp anyone)
THE TYTN 2/ Tilt
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200TM, 400MHz (we all know it has the 7201 also)
Operating System Windows Mobile® 6 Professional
Memory ROM: 256MB
RAM: 128MB SDRAM
Dimension 112 mm (L) X 59 mm (W) X 19 mm (T) (holy crap that means the keyboard is like 4 inches wide, not a crapy 2.36)
Weight 190g with battery
Display 2.8 inch, 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD display with adjustable angle and backlight
Network HSDPA/UMTS: Tri-band 850, 1900, 2100 MHz
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download
UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz (The device will operate on frequencies available from the cellular network)
Device Control Finger scrolling and panning
5-Way navigation control
Keyboard Slide-out QWERTY keyboard
Connectivity Bluetooth® 2.0
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB and audio jack in one)
GPS antenna connector
Camera Main camera: 3 megapixel CMOS color camera with auto focus
Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera
If you take the back cover off, the camera is actually very nice, oh wait, is that 1 more megapixel then the treo.. aaaahh
So we are really looking at the treo having a square screen, a smaller keyboard, lower quality camera (spec wise) and everything else is the same.. I really don't know what your singing about buster..
Thats enough Chumley. Now leave this thread for people who are considering switching from the Tilt to the Treo Pro.
Wouldn't that be a thread for another place?
ChumleyEX said:
Wouldn't that be a thread for another place?
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No. This is the appropriate forum as the thread is directed toward current Kaiser owners.
Please stay on topic. Anything you would like to see tested between the two Chumley?
ChumleyEX said:
That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.
Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..
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Uh, you FAIL if you can't even remember that Palm started the PDA w touchscreen revolution (not counting the Newton) with their formerly ubiquitious PalmPilots and such, and they started the touch-screen smartphone revolution (with Handspring) with the Treos.
Palm FAILs because they've made poor choices for the last 5 years based on MBAs instead of Engineering degrees.
The fact also that Palm always had instant screen rotation, and never a problem with their screen drivers unlike HTC's software attempts (albeit Palm uses HTC hardware and the Treo Pro is HTC made) makes it a really good WM6.1 Pro alternative to HTC's crippled, flashy, current releases.
Treo Pro even has better IE scrolling which means 2D acceleration. Some people enjoy being able to text with one-hand that's not a Blackberry, and it's a world 3G phone (which most other phones aren't).
NuShrike said:
Uh, you FAIL if you can't even remember that Palm started the PDA w touchscreen revolution (not counting the Newton) with their formerly ubiquitious PalmPilots and such, and they started the touch-screen smartphone revolution (with Handspring) with the Treos.
Palm FAILs because they've made poor choices for the last 5 years based on MBAs instead of Engineering degrees.
The fact also that Palm always had instant screen rotation, and never a problem with their screen drivers unlike HTC's software attempts (albeit Palm uses HTC hardware and the Treo Pro is HTC made) makes it a really good WM6.1 Pro alternative to HTC's crippled, flashy, current releases.
Treo Pro even has better IE scrolling which means 2D acceleration. Some people enjoy being able to text with one-hand that's not a Blackberry, and it's a world 3G phone (which most other phones aren't).
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Omg I might have been in middle school when this happened. And it was a question, I was under the assumtion that if it was called a smartphone it ment non touch screen.
ChumleyEX said:
Omg I might have been in middle school when this happened. And it was a question, I was under the assumtion that if it was called a smartphone it ment non touch screen.
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That assumsion is incorrect (in context and spelling.) That is the old definition. Clearly you don't like change because your stuck on your Kaiser as the best device ever.
However, if you were paying any attention to the windows mobile world you would have noticed that with the introduction of windows mobile 6.1 the definition of touch/non touch was denoted by 6.1 professional/6.1 standard.
Now please stop getting off topic. If you can't help it then do not post in this thread again.
Just passing through gentlemen...I just wanna ask lewcamino a few comparison questions....
1. How is the overall responsiveness on the touchscreen of the treo pro?
2. If you have TCPMP (latest build), how does the treo pro score on it's benchmark?
Thanks!!!
I was also thinking of switching my tilt for a treo pro too. That said,
1. Does browsing on a smaller screen bother you, I'd think on a screen substantially smaller it would get annoying?
2. I actually like the keyboard on the tilt, but I want a keyboard I could comfortably type using one hand, is this possible on the treo pro?
3. Responsiveness of touch screen, I hate the touchscreen on my tilt.
4. Have you tried the gps? I feel like its the strongest point of my tilt.
5. Would love to see a camera comparison.
I know some of these concerns are primarily objective, but i'd still like to get your opinion.
why compare the two, other than both being touchscreens with WM 6.x and querty pads, they are not in the same league... why downgrade your screensize, keyboard size and camera?
The phone I have is an HTC Kaiser.
I think the Treo Pro has two main advantages:
1) Transreflective display. I think HTC really screwed up putting a normal TFT in most of the Kaisers, display performance is poor outdoors.
2) More resolution - the square display is pretty nice.
3) More stylish & less bulky. I think Palm know about good aesthetics.
It's not enough for me to switch from the Kaiser I have now, but I think I'd probably have gone for the Treo Pro just for the outdoor-suited transreflective display (not bothered about the camera, I have a proper one! )
First impressions:
Faaast! Much smoother operation than the Diamond.
Screen is beautiful. Can render websites and read them without zooming in. It's quite recessed under the touch screen though, about 1.5-2mm. Feels a bit disconnected from the touch screen.
If anyone has any questions I'll keep an eye on the thread this evening.
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Hello,
Can you test tomtom navigator 7 on your diamond 2 ?
Because mine is not arrive ;-(
Thanks in advance.
Awesome. Keep letting us know what you think of it. And yes, I am super jealous!!!
private69 said:
Hello,
Can you test tomtom navigator 7 on your diamond 2 ?
Because mine is not arrive ;-(
Thanks in advance.
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Hi, I've installed TTN 7 and it loads up without a hitch, but I don't have any maps to test it fully right now. I'll see what I can do.
Cheers.
Ah, damn you lucky one!
Is a screen protector delivered with?
I want to shoot you since you have one of those! (Eh maybe not really) Let me try let me try let me try!!!!!
hi derinahon , can you see in videorecorder settings if there is VGA recording ? thanks
derinahon said:
It's quite recessed under the touch screen though, about 1.5-2mm. Feels a bit disconnected from the touch screen.
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What do you mean by this?
Does it have a "plastic feel" when you touch the screen or is it hard like the Touch Diamond ?
Is the stylus hold magnetical like in the diamond 1?
Sweet! well tell us more please especially what stesa asked could you please check out if there’s vga recorder?
Have fun with your new diamond they say diamonds are a girl’s best friend but I sure do think it’s now also men’s best friend too!
Hi all,
Just checked and it does do VGA video recording, the quality isn't half bad. Also a screen protector is supplied in the box.
The phone feels a lot faster than the Diamond and the new Touch Flow is a big improvement, hiding most of WinMo.
With regards to the screen, I'll try to explain... the original Diamond touch screen sits just above the actual display and there's no noticeable area in between. The Diamond 2's display sits a 1 or 2 millimeters below the touch screen, so there's a bit of a gap. It just takes a bit of getting used to. The good side is that you don't need to apply more pressure at the edges of the screen as you do with the Diamond (eg. where you had to press a bit harder to grab the scroll bar, or hit the 'X'). The overall feel of the screen is the same as the Diamond.
Just remembered... I grabbed a map for TT7. It works fine as far as loading the app. Map displays fine and got a GPS fix, but I haven't been out so don't know if there's any lag. Also I couldn't figure out how to get it into landscape, but I don't use Tom Tom so that could just be me. IGO8 also works, but I have the same version from the Diamond (VGA) so not all of the screen is used. I think this can be fixed though.
The stylus isn't magnetic :'(
Cheers.
hows the camera?
Speed to launch cam app?
Speed to take an photo?
Photo quality in good light and in poor light? (really miss a photo flash?)
thanks.
Congrats, how is the speaker quality, i.e ringtone volume, is it loud and clear, I've heard, the first Diamond was not that loud, any difference?
thx
congrats... wish i had a new phone when they come out....
do you think it's that big?
toady2k1 said:
hows the camera?
Speed to launch cam app?
Speed to take an photo?
Photo quality in good light and in poor light? (really miss a photo flash?)
thanks.
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OK, the camera sucks... no not really, quality is about what you'd expect, but it's sooo quick compared to the Diamond 1. I don't really have any daylight right now, but I took a few snaps. The camera app loads in 2 seconds flat and takes the same to shoot. In comparison, 4 seconds to load on the old Diamond and 6 seconds to take a picture under the same conditions.
The speaker... I put the TD & TD2 next to each other playing the same track alternately and the TD2 is a fair bit louder and clearer. Calling the Orange lady was a treat, I could actually hear her on loud speaker. With the Diamond her voice is distorted at anything more than two thirds of the volume.
wanwarlock said:
congrats... wish i had a new phone when they come out....
do you think it's that big?
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The size worried me when I was thinking about dropping £400 on one. On paper it's not much bigger, but when you get it in your hand you really notice how porky it is, if you've used a Diamond that is. However, for a smartphone it's a good size and I think the Diamond is perhaps too small considering HTC ran out of room for a decent battery and speaker! I personally think it feels good in the hand, and I really like the larger screen.
Oh and I'm not loaded or anything, but did get a bonus from work so thought I'd waste it on something I really want, but don't need! Still paying a contract for the old Diamond
Glad to hear the audio quality on this thing is good. Now just imagine the the clear sound of the Rhodium!
derinahon said:
The size worried me when I was thinking about dropping £400 on one. On paper it's not much bigger, but when you get it in your hand you really notice how porky it is, if you've used a Diamond that is. However, for a smartphone it's a good size and I think the Diamond is perhaps too small considering HTC ran out of room for a decent battery and speaker! I personally think it feels good in the hand, and I really like the larger screen.
Oh and I'm not loaded or anything, but did get a bonus from work so thought I'd waste it on something I really want, but don't need! Still paying a contract for the old Diamond
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Wait. Is this thing dramatically thinner than the current Diamond?
jonnrb said:
Wait. Is this thing dramatically thinner than the current Diamond?
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No, I mean you'd notice how much larger it feels if you'd used or have the original Diamond.
Another thing, the body of the phone is a plastic mold with some kind of metalic coating. It looks fine, but doesn't feel as solid as the Diamond 1.
Battery and life without scroll wheel / nav buttons
I'm soooooo close to getting one of these, but trying work out which contract to get it free with, in length terms anyway - the new HD2 is due in September-ish and will come pre shipped with WM6.5 and have a beefier processor, (600Mhz apparently!) Do I go for a short contract then upgrade later, stick with a long contract and stick with it if it's good enough and get the handset free, or just save my cash and get the HD2?
Aaaaaanyway....
How's the battery life?
Any audio glitches like the last Diamonds' manilla playber?
Can you adjust the default level of the zoom bar in opera - eg does it zoom in far enough? Can you zoom in further than a double tap as you could with the Diamond 1's scroll wheel?
Is Flash Lite included?
How does it handle video playback?
Is the G-sensor any better? I think WM 6.5+ will use shake settings for navigation - flick right for next message etc.
As for the size, I personally find the Diamond 1 just that little too small to be able to operate one handed comfortably, so maybe I'd appreciate that, not sure.
Oh, and you lucky "£^%"£$^!!!!
Samsung Omnia Pro is freaking ugly. The keyboard design is worst than the X1. You don't have the D-Pad on the front-face even though you always praise the usefulness of having a D-Pad. You don't have panels.
Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me
forgot also
4 tv out
informatico said:
Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me
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Neither does Samsung make good Multimedia phones. There are no other companies prior to this.
Only Nokia was able to get it right, but now HTC and SE are catching up.
Samsung hasn't catched up get, they are third in line.
hih interesting you and me have different ratings for the phones ... but dont forget that samsung has done some of the best camera phones on the market.
and since samsung produces mp3 players cameras laptops etc they have really the technology to create multimedia phones. also sony ericsson has very good walkmans and camera phones. I didnt like nokia because it had no touchscreen until now ...
informatico said:
Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me
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Totally agree with this one. And from what I saw, I suppose the keyboard will be more comfortable than the X1's one(can't say for sure until I test it). The thing is, right now only Omnia Pro can be considered as a nice upgrade from X1, no other phone can come up with that. But X1 is good enough for me and I don't plan to upgrade it soon. But still if I was for an upgrade, the only real upgrade will be the Omnia Pro.
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
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7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1) with dpad
8-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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No one reported build quality issues when Xperia was covered by the media.
How do you know if the Omnia Pro isn't also underclocked?
How come no one ever told me that the Xperia X1 was underclocked?
How come there are no tweaks/ways to overclock/clock the Xperia X1?
[p.s. i have a larger battery I can withstand the strain of power usage]
Are there anyways? Should I change my clockspeed on the X1 since I got a superb extended 3600 battery?
Hey guys you do realize that the AMOLED screen won't mean crap except for marginally improved battery life because Win-Mo can't display more than 65k colors? And for anybody saying that 65k colors is plenty put the Xperia next to an iPhone. The iPhone doesn't even have an AMOLED but it's colors pop and the screen looks bright and vibrant compared to the washed out colors on the Xperia.
But the other upgrades are enough for an upgrade over the Xperia. The camera on the Samsung is hopefully useful. Shutter lag is awful on the X1 even when I set focus to infinite and had it on the sports setting. I also tried the Touch Pro 2 Camera app and while it did seem to work better my pictures are still less than stellar.
And the bump in processor speed is more than welcome. Hopefully it'll make WM a little less laggy.
1 gig internal storage...
this is a slight plus aswell!
Should be enough for the important programs...
Multimedia is going onto Micro-SD Card.
I'm also looking forward to that phone!
what for compare with 2008 x1 with 2009 omnia pro?
omnia pro is better performance to x1, this is truth...
if not, what for samsung released "pro" which is can't compare with x1?
x1 will out in some other day...or instead by another phone.
not only phone, also notebook and other product...
this called evolution of technologies...
THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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Perfectly stated by the Grizz, as always.
Is that a xenon flash?
I hadn't heard of the Omnia pro before this thread.
I can tell you that I really disliked the first Omnia - it's a gimmick girl phone like the iPhone.
This one, however -I really like! The features are looking awesome. It can indeed be seen as an upgraded version of the X1, as it has all the features, but some improved and more.
Ofcourse this is to be expected as it's never - doesn't change the fact that it's better.
I'll sure be looking out for this phone, gathering info. One thing I hate though: No XDA-dev support!
x2 baby
hey crazy k in da house omnia bag of balls x2 bro 8.1 mega pixel beat dat 6.5 windows mobile lads xperia x2 will kick assss on omnia
hi there,till now i didnt see any device that waws me :
but let s get to the facts:
1.i only upgrade to a snapdragon 22M triangle/sec or tegra device( even samsung 800 mhz is sweet with opengl 1.1 and 2 support weak graphic 4 M triangle/sec ).
2.keyboard and dpad its important for me as i dont want all the time to touch the screen.
3.what the hell is wrong with companies ,SE,HTC,Samsung WHERE is the stereo speakers (they call them multimedia device hmmmm).
4.good support (hope xda developers extend to cover more devices other then HTC)
Actually i didnt know how important the Dpad was until i got nokia n97 .... it has no dpad and is a paaaaaain not to talk about prehistorical symbian UI ....
hmmm ... xperia x1 is not that bad at the moment ... any news more about x2 ... except the fotos all the specs are unconfirmed right ???
I am not . Xperia 4 all the way !!!
THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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HaHa x1 totaly owned.
the low price will surly help. its even cheaper than the OmniaII (550 euro) that lacks keyboard
lets see how the omnia pro comares to the x2
No D-Pad? Pfff no thank you then. When will those people learn....
Good point about the lack of a d-pad (and the many customizable buttons), but from a specs standpoint, the Omnia Pro is otherwise better. I'd kill for a faster processor. A bigger screen and better camera would also be huge bonuses.
Ok, I just wanted to ask you: which one is a better upgrade TouchPro1 to TouchPro2 or X1 to X2? In my opinion, these two are not worhy to be called "major upgrades" but what do you think? You all know the specs I suppose.
7200A to rule them all )))
PS: A good upgrade will be for them to change the platform for lets say Snapdragon or at least Cortex A8, if we are about to throw like $600 for new SmartPhone.
Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus
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Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus
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Yes?? In WHAT way?
Interesting.
lol TP2 is a joke compared to the x1 farther more the x2....only feature that is dominant is the speakerphone thingy, to me its like the compass on the iphone 3gs, partially useless
have you guys seen the silver x2 in full bloom on phonearena.com?
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im starting to like it but i still wont buy unless my x1 passes away(which i hope it doesn't)
Looks quite awesome.
No matter if somebody likes X2 or not,
I think TP2 was a minor upgrade compared to X2 which,
offers some more things than it's predecessor.
the tp2 could barely stand up to the x1 (having a bigger screen that was better than the x1). the x2 is the best of the 4 phones but maybe (in my opinion) not enough to warrant a buy (at £500+ in the uk for a sim free handset) if u already own a x1. true a tp2 is better than a tp but if u are going to buy a phone from the 4, the x2 is the best of the bunch by some distance.
I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
The only true reasons X1 is better:
3.5 mm Headphone Jack
LED Camera Flash
LED Notification
Frontal D-Pad
Looks Way Better than TP2
Optical Joystick that makes scrolling so much easier than with the stylus
The other "subjective" reasons:
Panels are better than Touch Flo 3D
Touch Flo 3D is better than Panels
Similar Traits:
CPU and RAM and ROM
Internal Battery
On the other hand TP2 has:
Bigger Screen
Louder Speakers
Better Speakers
Call Muting
Tilting Screen
Accelerometer
Keyboard and Number Row with Arrow Keys and Ctrl Functionality
FN and CAP Indicators
Zooming Bar
Anyway, if HTC combines both of the Pro's from both devices and atleast a 800 MHz CPU, I would buy it for sure.
Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.
poetryrocksalot said:
I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
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its not that i dislike the tp2 but that its almost the same phone as the x1 and was released 6 months after with very few extras and it does not look as good and has some things missing that the x1 has (3.5mm jack etc). i also dont like touchflo but thats only my opinion.
but compared to the x2, the tp2 has nothing that the x2 does not have and the x2 has lots of stuff better (3.5mm jack, 8.1mp camera).
so if you were to buy one of the 4 handsets (and did not own and of the above, maybe if u owned tp1) the x2 would be the best handset by some distance.
[email protected] said:
Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.
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im not saying the samsung omnia pro will be bad but i have never had a good samsung phone (tested about 4 different ones including the tocco ultra).
TP2 was a downgrade, so X2 is more of an upgrade to the X1, compared to TP2 and TP.
Now to the OT stuff lol:
- yeah, if someone combined the X1 and the TP2, it would the greatest phone ever.
- lol @ Omnia Pro. It is good, but not good enough to be mentioned in the same thread as these devices. Plus, I have had only bad experiences with Samsung devices previously.
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).
DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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Well, I can add more cons, byt let me tackle those pros lol.
1 - Anything more than 5mpx is for pro photographers only. You will not notice the difference between 5 or 8mpx. It comes down to the hardware. A good 3mpx camera can shoot better pics than a crappy 8mpx.
2 - Good. I would prefer more, but that's not the point.
3 - Gimmick. I always keep it off on every phone that I had. No use at all for it. Rotates the screen when you DON'T want it too lol. The games are a pathetic notion, because when you turn or swivel, you loose eyesight of the screen, or are forced to tilt your head haha.
4 - We will get that for the X1.
5 - Yup.
6 - I'll reserve judgement for now.
To sum it up. We get the same device with a makeover (looks uglier lmao), they take stuff out (radio) and give us two minor upgrades - 2 inches of screen (who will notice this?) and TV-out (1 out of 20 people uses it twice per year).
I'm on the verge of calling this a downgrade rofl...
Ganondolf said:
1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).
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1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.
SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...
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SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...
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I wish you staying happy TP2 user!
No problem. My Xperia basically is great and I read many contrary opinions.
orelsi said:
1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.
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1. may be a gimmick but its still there and works (the guy said that it was disabled, but its not).
2. most people think the x1 is not accelerated but it is and the x2 more so.
3. i prefer the x1 too but like anything in life people have there opinions (like yours with iphones)
4 it may be a cheaper design but i would rather it be make from plastic if i have good constant signal (at the mo my x1 looses signal every time u go to text what is a piss take).
5. i suppose it depends if u really want a radio or not.
also your point about the 8mp camera is true but i have heard the sensor on the x2 is like the one on the top cybershot phone (C05 i think its called), they did not put there 12mp sensor in what is probably because its not as good as the 8mp sensor. i dont think anyone could complain about having a better camera even if u dont need it.
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But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did
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did they??????
x1 - x2 = same cpu, same ram, better camera.
3g - 3gs = doubled ram, new cortex A-8 cpu (not only running 200mhz faster but the cpu itself is in a different league) better camera.
if u dont know these simple facts its hard to take your opinion seriously.
Well I'll happy of having 8mpx camera on my device.