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TT5 Xda2i Tom Tom Crash

i have my xda2i and tt5 installed, and it runce nicely for an undetrmined amount of time then decides to close tomtom, i can reopen it and carry on but alas it keeps doing the same.
when i start tt5 i get the hands logo on the bottom bar apear but after every crash it seems to move along.
Any idears guys?
my old tt3 works flawlesly.

Firstly, make sure your using version 5.10, theres a small patch from the website that takes it from 5 to 5.10.
Second, consider it might be your SD card, slow older SD cards tend to make the device hang and/or slow down, which is a problem with the radio (mobile signal) and the SD card interface.
Cards above 80x speed generally work flawlessly.
Third try just a full re-install of the TT5 software, there might have been an error whilst installing thats causing it to crash.

i havent tried the update and i dont know what speed my card is, its the same card i used tomtom 5 with flawlessly in my old pda (loox600).
I'll try the update and see what happens.

Try this
Use the poi.dat from tt3.
I had a problem with the new rom where it crashed from time to time & also i couldn't nav to the poi without it crashing.
I used the poi.dat & i can now nav. it doesn't let me call the poi but it might solve your problem.

yay! when i used the tt5 poi and navigate to, it gave me the categories but no destinations when selected then would promptly crash, i put the tt3 poi.dat in and it will now searcha and nav to without crashing. will take her out on the road tonight and if i can get to my mums and back then alls well.
was a pain cos i went to newcastle a month ago (375mile) and it just kept crashing, i had to run it in guidance mode (no map, poi) so it must be the poi then cos it didnt crash like that.
will let you know my findings then you have a definitive answer for all you out there with the same issue.

Awesome :lol:
Happy with that if it works
What version of the rom are you running by chance?

ok, it dont crash now but it's so much slower in refreshing the map, about half the speed it was.
has anyone got an unaltered tt5 pio.dat file they can upload for me to try, i'm wondering if its happened when i used my free trial of tt plus and added thier speed camera databases. i could reinstall the maps but i'm nowhere near the orginal disk at the moment as its at work and i'm 'ill'.
I have a tomtom mobile pio which worked for a while then crashes, and have somone sending me a few different TT Go pio.dat's. worth testing them all.
my roms listed below chap.

Here is POI from TT 5.10, you said in your post that you had TT's speed camera database but I thought that you had to take out a 12 month contract.

HyperFire said:
ok, it dont crash now but it's so much slower in refreshing the map, about half the speed it was.
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You need to uncheck all the POIs you don't want to see on the map, that is what is slowing it down.

i activated the tt plus trial on the website for a month and grabbed all the extras, although i use pocketgpsworld.com for my speed camera databases.
I have all the poi deactivated already.
will try this poi.dat and keep you all posted as i know others with the same issues as i'm having.

i've tried a working 5 & it crashes but mine works fine with the 3 one. you could always delete all poi.dat & see if it is faster.

its still dying, with all tt pio.dat files. pain in the bottom, someone else on here has mentioned they have fixed this issue. grr

Is your copy a proper license? I used to use a pirate copy before I deceided to use the real thing. The pirate copy crashed all the time as you explained but the real copy wotks just fine.

genuine. though i have done updates and added my own poi, just wondering is any other software is clashing.
been using tt since version 2 and have had bothe mobile versions on a nokia.

if your sd card is not a 80x speed it will crash all the time ,have you tried a transend 80x card as it has been established to work well and isn't that expensive

I'm using a kingston elite pro (50X) SD Card with tomtom 5.10 with ALL the POI's checked and ALL the pocketgps.co.uk speed camera datebase POI's checked with alerts for the speed camera's and i have never had a lockup whilst driving using tomtom.
Maybe try hard-resetting your XDAIIi and installing everything manually NOT using sprite. That's what i did and my tomtom seems to work flawlessly.
What bluetooth gps are you using?

ive tried hard reset a few time, even only with tt on it. no luck.
i'm not sure what speed my card is, but looks like this is most probably the cause then, matter of finding some cash then i think, or getting just a small 128 80x to stuff it on for when i need it.
tried it without the pio.dat file, still crashes. grrr.

Yes, bearing in mind i have a soley-devoted kingston elite pro 512mb just for the GB Plus map and the French map.
Perhaps if you get rid of all the other stuff from the card by formatting it in a card reader, try using "media recover" search around for it on google as it will wipe the card clean, this takes a while, but it will restore your card to it's original condition when you first bought it.
Then for the formatting, try reading this post i posted ages ago...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=21920&highlight=lydiachris
Format your card this way to produce the best read/write times.
Now put all your data back onto your card, just copy then paste the files from your pc to your sd card. This will produce no fragmetation therefor your XDAIIi will not have to search around for the desired data on the card.
Give this a go and post your outcomes.

yay, i found a apprently modified ttn.cab file through file share, installed it to my xda, it downgraded me from 5.1 to 5.0 but hasnt crashed or paused since, although ive only tried it locally, it seems fine, trying to find the time to take it 50 miles+ and see if it works
gonna try out your formating trick soon chap, will keep you posted

New XDA2i - TomTom 5.10 crash/freezing....
Hi all!
I got my new XDA2i through insurance after my 1st one's screen smashed. Installed all my apps etc including the TomTom 5.1 update andddddd it freezes every so often again ! dammm!
So, I double checked everything, all ok, the only thing I can think of is that the newer ROM this handset has is the cause of the lockups again.
I've looked through the postings on this topic and see slightly different versions on the radio version, protocol version etc.
This new XDA2i (I havent changed the ROM) is
ROM - 1.11.00 WWE
ROM Date - 01/27/05
Radio Version - 1.00.00
Protocol Version - 1337.39
EXTROM version - 1.11.162 WWE
Is it possible that some of these versions are known to cause a problem even with the updated 5.1? ( by the way I have the special Bakonl update )
I use a Sandisk 1GB Card (normal speed), the TomTom silver BT GPS unit.
Interestingly, my brothers 'spare' XDA2s with this setup works flawlessly, so I know my install, SD card, GPS all work fine.
Any ideas guys? how do I update say just the radio version? or protocol version? so that my version match another user's version which are working with TT5.1 ?
I was really looking forward to getting GPS all working again as I've missed it these last 2 months ! and now it's doing that annoying freezing again!
Any ideas, recommendations, things to try will be greatly appreciated!
Cheers! Dennis! West London UK!!

tomtom 5 stuck

Hallo,
I recently bought TomTom navigator 5. apart of the fact that v5 didn't install in WM5 and I had to wait for release 5.2, now I have this big problem: the program gets stuck trying to load the maps.
I tried copying the maps manually to the SD card. if I unplug the SD, tomtom complains that there are no maps and closes. if I plug again the SD, the program gets stuck and I can't do anything else (it freezes the whole device)
any clue?
thanks

you need 5.21 update (wm5 most compliant).
you can download it from tomtom.com
BR

I already have 5.21, it was a typo...
the problem is that it gets stuck when loading maps from the SD card...
it otherwise loads doesn't find the maps, and closes. but the program IS correctly installed...
thanks

m8...its happened to my sometimes on my exec that I had to uninstall via activ sync and reinstall again to correct...make sure you also have an empty folder named tomtom on the root of the sd and another on the root of the poquet pc and be sure that the map you have is correct for tomtom 5 .
BR

I tried, and it doesn't work (sigh sigh)
Also, I tried changing the SD card (you never know) but nothing changed.
all folders are present, though I had to create the one in the SD card.
still freezes *sigh*
also, tomtom help doesn't help at all, and I hate spending money for a non working software :evil:

m8...what version windows are you running....wm5 or 2003?
another thing ...I got stuck like that once after already having installed twice on two other xda2s's running the exact latest rom from 02... that time i shortcuted it by not installing any voices insted i put the voices folder on the card and put voices in there....that gave me this problem also.....installed a couple of voices from the disc on to the xda memory and voila its working like a charm.
BR

I'm running wm5, standard (no tuma-ivan-etc)
I'll try as you suggested this evening, I hope to solve it
thanks for your help!!

TomTom is one of the crappiest, buggiest piece of commercial software I've seen in a long time. Once you get it up and running it's usually OK for a month or two, but it generally soils its underwear after a short time and needs a reinstall.
I mean, 5.21, how long as 5 been out? 21 minor revs since then? Do they actually test their software, or just ship it and wait for the users to do it for them? I work in the industry and I am far from impressed with them. Especially given what it costs.
Any how, as I said, periodically you need to completely clean it out. Remove all folders. Delete your map directory on the SD card and copy over the original copy of the map you purchased. Delete all of the program directories it makes. I found as many as 6 or 7 directories on my storage card where it's scatterbrain configuration liked to hide data. Once I had to completely cull it from the registry to get it going, all keys with "navigator" and "tomtom" were suspect. Beware tho, "navigator" might be in there through other applications.
Oh, another thing to check...sometimes it gets sadomasicistic and decides to set a config file or two as read only. One day it's working, the next it fails to remember settings changes. You can fix that one without a reinstall if you can figure out which file it is (generally the map config file).
However, despite all this, sometimes you need to hard-reset to get it going again.

thanks to all, but I think I found a good solution.
I brought back the software to the vendor and changed it with navigator pn. it works perfectly
it's more of a workaround than a solution, but hey - at least I gave my money to a company that deserves it.
thanks destinator!

TomTom 6 and Xda IIi hangs all the time!

About 2 weeks of testing and still frustrated. I dont get TomTom 6 and Xda IIi to work fine. Everything works fine, installation, gps connection, poi an so on. The BIG problem is while i´m driving. Suddenly after for ex 3 min, 10 min, 28 min or 55 min the TomTom hangs. Then it works again after a soft reset and then it hangs and so on...
I´ve tried change ROM on the XdaIIi, tried TomTom 5 but the problem is still there.
I Use GPS Globalsat BT-338, Xda IIi ROM ver 1.11.00 WWE, SD card 1GB Kingston x50 and TomTom 6 (ver 6.030).
Any proposal? I´ve read some suggest faster SD card?

Works fine on mine, my SD card is a 4Gb 150x one. It may be another piece of software you have installed that is causing the issue. If you can back it all up I would test it on a clean install without the o2 front end ie corporate install but it may be your card.

i´ll try a faster XD.

I had troubles till I gained a disk by a Gentleman called Plasma from another place I cleared out the previous incantations and installed his works like a dream no problems even picks up my shortcut knowledge very quickly (I used to be a Transport Manager and am one of those horrible people with a map in my head for major routes) I use it mainly for the last couple of miles or the one or two places I don't know but mainly for the POI i.e. the speed camera's(I may be an old git but I like to travel reasonably fast)

3 possibilities I can think of:
1.) If this is a fairly recent install of TomTom 6 it might just not happen to like the particular SDcard you are using for the maps - I've heard some people find much faster cards give fewer/no crashes.
2.) Having too many POI files selected to display. Mine goes all unstable if I have more than about 25 different ones ticked to display on the map.
3.) sometimes the TomTom cfg gets corrupted, 'losing' my home locations and I am unable to set it...it gets tetchy & sometimes crashes out. The answer is to delete TomTom Navigator.cfg in the Navigator folder in Programs - TomTom will re-create a fresh one when you start and you go through the setups again, but hopefully without it crashing.
hope these are of some help
Joe

I had the same problem.
Changed the SD card to: "Transcend 2GB" and TomTom6 works perfectly on 2020i

Seems like Xda IIi freeze no matter how fast the SD is (with all tomtom version) if using SD and SIM card plugged in.
Change to MMC or take off SIM card then no more system hang.

Now I´ve test with SD card Extreme III. The problem i still there.
I know a few places where it hangs every time i drive past. Exactly the same position at the map. Very strange.
I deleted all pois, same **** again.

a lack of GPS signal can cause a map to "Hang" / "lock Up" and favorites for this are the Bluetooth GPS units

TomTom brakes WM6 Installation on Kaiser.

My TYTN II has been rendered half-working for a second time. Both times this happened after Tom Tom was installed.
I have 4 GB SD Card. I use TomTom by copying all files/directories from the TomTom provided MicroSD card to the root of my 4 GB SD card. There are also other directories ( i.e Program Files ) in the root of the SD card.
The first time it broke , I simply run the TomTom Update function from within TomTom. It downloaded an update , installed it and then broke the device/Windows Media installation.
When it “brakes” the Windows Media 6 installation , it renders the mobile OS half working. The buttons on the side - TurnOff/On and Camera buttons - stop working. The device itself becomes very slows – it takes 2 secs to go into Programs. The camera application starts but then nothing happens when you tap the on-screen functions /buttons. , The device will not rotate the screen when using the external keyboard , TomTom stops starting at all.
The second time TomTom broke my device was after simply starting TomTom – it hung and after a soft reset my device was left in the same state.
Device:
HTC TYTN II Kaiser / Vario III
ROM ver 1.56.110.4
Windows Mobile 6
TomTom ver 6.010.

try intsalling tomtom 6.030 which can be found in the kaiser wiki. I have that installed on my kaiser and have no problems, then just copy the maps you want over to your storage card.
good luck.

fone_fanatic said:
try intsalling tomtom 6.030 which can be found in the kaiser wiki. I have that installed on my kaiser and have no problems, then just copy the maps you want over to your storage card.
good luck.
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I am not sure where I can get the latest version from ! I don't have any TomTom versions on my Kaiser CD and I didn't find any updates downloads on tomtom.com. Tomtom Home is saying may device doesn't need updates.
The only thing i can re-try is to reinstall the whole device and then run update from within TomTom but then this broke the device once already ..

Tom Tom,
3uk said:
I am not sure where I can get the latest version from ! I don't have any TomTom versions on my Kaiser CD and I didn't find any updates downloads on tomtom.com. Tomtom Home is saying may device doesn't need updates.
The only thing i can re-try is to reinstall the whole device and then run update from within TomTom but then this broke the device once already ..
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Try using a torrent or p2p... Im running a recent copy without a problem, make sure its a recent build, also i found works better if you assign the gps the microsoft bluetooth gps serial port and reshared to tomtom with that

Don't install from a cab file. Download TTN 6.020 from here
http://rapidshare.com/files/91282009/TTN_6.02.7910.zip.html
copy to your device and run TomTom from there.
This is also the only ver. that doesn't have voice problems on my device.

blagoy said:
Don't install from a cab file. Download TTN 6.020 from here
http://rapidshare.com/files/91282009/TTN_6.02.7910.zip.html
copy to your device and run TomTom from there.
This is also the only ver. that doesn't have voice problems on my device.
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I will try although I have always been wary of running exes from the internet on my Windows Box be it mobile or not.
Anyway , it turns out the problem is not specifically within TomTom 6.010 but has to do with the fact that I am running another app , a dictionary, besides TomTom. After uninstalling the the App , the device works fine.
I am very angry with TomTom support though , whose response was , as expected - "TomTom works on the Manufacturer provided 1 GB SD card - use it from there. If you have problems call HTC" .
[email protected] Fflippers TOMTOM , IF YOU MAKE SOFTWARE FOR PDA DON'T ASSUME THE MICROSD CARD WILL HOLD ONLY YOUR STUPID TOMTOM SOFTWARE and NOT OTHER SOFTWARE. MoNKEYS !

Co Pilot maps not visible after ROM upgrade??

Not sure if I'm doing something wrong here but after the 6.1 ROM upgrade I installed Co-Pilot again, running the lot from the desktop Central programme (makiing a point of deleting anything 2577 or Co-Pilot related on the storage card). Only thing I changed this time is that I installed the programme on the device and the map on the card. I got messages saying installs were successful.
Now though, when I launch Co-Pilot I get now map, just a white screen where map detail should be. I'm wondering if it's something to do with configuration or whether the split install is something it can't handle. Must say I'm not too impressed with this software overall and I find the Central desktop application abysmal. I'll have another couple of attempts but if I cannot install it the way I WANT IT to install I think I'll consign it to the scrap heap and get a dedicated sat nav for nav purposes. Wasn't the main reason I got the TyTn, given the problems I'm glad!!!!! I would have thought it quite reasonable that someone installing maps would wish to do so on their card rather than the device (given the size) and also reasonable that for speed of access to the system they'd put the programme on the device.
None of this is helped by the user documentation which is also pretty dire, esp when it comes to trouble shooting!!!!

Well after wasting hours messing around with this I have finally got it working but I can only get it to work with the map loaded to the device along with the programme. Must say that if this is supoosed to lead the way in terms of PDA sat nav I dread to think what the rest are like!!!! Apart from the fact that it refuses to recognise the map if not loaded to the device (regardless of how complete the uninstall, deletion of folders and re-booting etc) I have also tried to upload the other voices etc and regardless of what I try the device will not recognise they are there.
For me a truly awful application and the desktop application is worse!! I constantly get the message saying "alk.copilot.updater has stopped working", even after upgrading Central to the lastest version (and even that was an exercise in scouring the internet and rummaging for information). I'm really glad that sat nav/GPS was not a primary motivator for buying the TyTn. Maybe others work better on it??
Once I return to the UK I shall buy a dedicated sat nav and rip this Co-Pilot garbage out of my PDA and consign it to where it belongs. There are sat navs and sat navs and for me Co-Pilot is one that I would not give the time of day to.

CoPilot
Hi
You seem a bit stressed over copilot.
I have this working very well with wm6.1 on the kaiser.
I do not know how you have installed it and how you got any maps on to device most maps are over 100meg.
Can I suggest you remove copilot and reinstall to card only using a card reader and not using device connected to pc.
Over all I have found copilot to better in most areas over tomtom except poi handling, certainly the on screen information is better and gps lock is faster.
The above comment apply to CoPilot 7 live.
Mike

I certainly bleedin have ;-)
Ended up with both installed to device (using Abu Dhabi map only, maybe it's smaller). I may try stripping out and putting both the app and the map on the card. Works OK now with both on device but once I get any other maps to put on (but not likely at mo) I will struggle with storage on the device. I would have thought the programme would/could go on device and map(s) on the card. Seems not.
Co-Pilot Central seems a SHED load more of a problem than it's worth.

Well, having tried and tried I'm about to give up the ghost with CoPilot.
Only thing I have NOT yet tried as has been suggested is installing CoPilot to my card using a reader. I assume that once you have Co-Pilot Central installed on a PC there is some option to select that allows you to do this??
Essentially I have stripped Co-Pilot out of the TyTn. Hard Reset and deleted anything Co-Pilot from the SD card. I even uninstalled the awful desktop Central, deleted all folders and cleared the PC Registry. Having re-installed Central I then hooked up the device and chose option to install Co-Pilot Live. I chose the Storage card as location. After a successful install message I downloaded the map via the website having started Co-Pilot on the device and follwed the instructions. I installed THAT to the card to. Net result, open Co-Pilot, get 'Enjoy your map' message and, hep presto blank map!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really is the most outstandingly crap software I have EVER come across. Not as if I'm trying some convoluted set-up or anything. Simply following the instructions and prompts. Time to scrap it I think!!!!!

Well. I give up. Unless I install BOTH on the device I CANNOT get the map/roads to show up in CoPilot.
Having mailed ALK customer support twice on this and got no reply (despite the 'We'll get back to you by end of next working day') I can only conclude the customer support is as poor as the website and the software. Time to put disc in bin!!!!

I have a log open at ALK support now in relation to this, having contacted them by another route. If I get a response that gets this to work I will post it here. Below is a fuller update of the processes I am going through to TRY and get this to work with BOTH installed on the Storage Card, just in case others come across this having searched re the same problem. I did LOADS of searches in all manner of engines and all manner of terms related to the problem but got no direct matches anywhere:
Systems information:
HTC branded TyTn II, Windows Mobile 6.1
SanDisk 8GB Micro SD card (not used in any other device)
CoPilot CD (free with TyTn II) - loads version 0.5.59.2 of CoPilot Central. After upgrade on device is complete version 7.0.2.258 of Live is installed
Windows Vista Business (SP1)
Procedure Followed (nothing else having worked!!!!):
1. Installed CoPilot Central to PC. Once loaded, open CoPilot Central (selecting upgrade later) under 'Plan Route' select Middle East map region (currently in UAE with work).
2. Engaged 'Flight' mode on phone to turn off potential interruption. Connect device to PC by USB. Installed CoPilot live when prompted to SD card.
3. Could not download maps at this time - kept getting device not recognised message.
4. Left device connected to PC. PC eventually indicated 'An update for CoPilot Live is available - do you want to update'. Selected "Yes".
5. Downloaded the update, it was updated to the device and it created a 2577 (auto run) folder on SD card.
6. Uninstalled current (OLD) Co-Pilot Live from device and delete ALL Co-Pilot related folders on card and device (root directory and Programs - if any).
7. Soft reset device.
8. Turn device back on. Took out and re-inserted SD card, prompted install of CoPilot Live.
9. Install CoPilot Live again to SD Card. This was a personal choice as I did not want the app or its maps on the device (too much space), esp as some maps are large.
10. Soft reset device.
11. Connect device to PC by USB to get internet connection. Followed on screen instructions (got several messages - "Invalid Device - Please refer to provider" at this stage but EVENTUALLY go site to allow me to download!!!). Saved download to 'My Documents' on device and checked 'Open file once downloaded'.
12. Followed install instructions and install map to SD Card also.
13. Soft reset device.
14 Open CoPilot Live on device. Hey Presto - NO MAP!!!! All I get is a blank screen with a couple of POIs indicating Mosques in god knows where!!!!!!!
Despite this massively convoluted process I STILL cannot get CoPilot to work and show its maps on a storage card installation from the computer based CD which came with the TyTn II. Later I uninstalled both from the SD card and re-installed both to the device and the map shows up????????????
Perhaps understandably I am about to give up and buy a dedicated Sat Nav!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HI, dear Empgamer,
Me too have same problems with the HTC TyTn II, windows 6.0 still because 6.1 has too many complaints. Therefore I did not instal. I got co-pilot DVD instanlled on PC. Got one Free city map as my choice but unfortunatley did not work. I have tried many times the same way as mentioned above on this forum wihtout any success. No map . Blank Screen although copilot seems working and displaying stupid options like I am going to fly to Mars.
Surprisingly no words from HTC nor from Copilot.

CoPilot
Hi
What version of Copilot are you trying to install,
If you have the dvd install using a card reader its faster and will not be interupted.
I have it working flawlessly om my kaiser with Duttys rom

Hi both
I am using the HTC stock 6.1 ROM as I am quite happy with that, it works fine on my device and I have the new video driver cab installed too.
Strangely I CAN get CoPilot to work fine if BOTH programme and map are installed on the device. Trying the below does NOT work:
1) Programme on device, map on SD card
2) Programme and map on SD card
I have an open question on ALK tech support site regarding this and will wait a response. I have to say I have neither the time or inclination to mess about with this any more having wasted HOURS installing, re-installing, soft and hard re-setting, installing and updating etc. All to no avail. Either I will find eventually how to get both working from an SD card or I will eventually uninstall CoPilot, bin it, and buy a stand-alone sat nav system.
I didn't really buy the device as a sat nav anyway so it's no big deal but it would be nice to be able to get it to work. I cannot see what is so complex or unorthodox about what I am trying to do. I do have a card reader but my CoPilot came on a CD and when CoPilot Central (abysmal software) installs I can see no option anywhere to get it to interface with a storage card reader either directly or by way of a wizard. See above re version numbers.