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Tmobile USA 3G

Has anyone been able to connect to Tmobile's USA 3G network in Dallas TX? Anywhere else in the US? Any settings need to be changed?

Search is good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390575
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417121
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390449
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403539

Search???? But it is some much better for the community to ask the question before searching.
Please close thread.

Before you start flaming, I suggest you read the question. Since you can search, I assume you can read...
The original question was about this service in Dallas TX, which according to multiple sources, the service was just launched on August 27.
Most posts available on Tmobile's 3G state the service is on the 1700 MHz (which the kaiser is not capable). However there are a few people that have stated it might also be in the 2100MHz band.
It is also possible that the Kaise is capable to hook to the 1700MHz band but not enabled by the radio rom. Take the Diamond for example, it was not supposed to support the 850MHz band...
Since Dallas service just started, it is possible 2100MHz is available.
Has anyone been able to prove Tmobile's 3G service is up an running IN DALLAS?

I stand corrected, kind sir. I jumped to a conclusion and was ignorant of the facts related to your specific part of the world. I am sorry.
Did you call TMobile customer service and ask the question? So none of the search results gave you any help. I guess wait and see if you get a reply. Good luck.

3g with tilt ?
smh

jayizzbakk said:
3g with tilt ?
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I just got 3G here in little old York, Pa. I guess I don't understand your question?

I think what he wants to know if 3g data will work with an at&T branded tilt on tmobile U.S. and if so I would like to know how it compares to the edge network they were using

i think T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 and one band is for uplink and the other is for downlink.
unlike AT&T or Rogers who can use 850 and 1900 independantly for uplink or downlink.

first of all, tmobile sim cards are not 3G compatbile, therefore even the correct settings probably wont pick up any 3G signal...keep in mind that tmobile never updated simcards since its voicestream transition...i remember when AT&T went 3G, they had to issue 3G enabled sim cards....

And my Tilt has a 3G SIM but it's an ATT SIM.

you cant get on tmobiles network with an att sim

T-Mobile 3G Los Angeles Oct. 23rd launch

So good news for all Diamond euro owners in LA (and other places of course)...the tmobile network supports the 2100mhz band for 3G so no need for a US version!!
http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm23715.htm#7
Sorry if this is old news, but i just realized it =)

this is great if true?
T-Mobile devices use the 1700Mhz/2100Mhz frequency band (for 3G) and I thought Europe 3G devices use 900Mhz/2100Mhz. Could U clarify further...

you said it correct...tmobile does use 1700mhz/2100mhz, and the euro diamond supports 2100mhz which should work since tmobile will be using it...i spoke to a tmobile tier 2 rep, he confirmed it as well...

That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.

Drachen said:
That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.
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AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..

Malik05 said:
AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..
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As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.

If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.

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If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.

RavenGirl said:
If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Honestly I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on him for that, I've never heard of anyone getting T-Mobile 3G and I know quite a few people with the Diamond/Raphael on T-Mobile in 3G areas.

wpsantennas said:
As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.
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I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .

sureloch said:
I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .
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Unfortunately, they've provided you some bad information. Each frequency band/range has a pair of uplink and downlink frequencies - you can't use one without the other - you have to use both. Generally, the uplink and downlink frequencies are relatively close to each other however, the 1700 AWS band has uplink and downlink spread quite a distance apart. Uplink is in the 1700MHz range, downlink is in the 2100MHz range and both have to be used. In the US, 1700 & 2100 is essentially one band.
1900MHz (the PCS band) isn't 3G for T-Mobile (although they technically could put it there at some point.) Right now, 1900MHz for T-Mobile is EDGE voice and data. Most other carriers do have 3G on the 1900MHz band, T-Mobile just doesn't have enough spectrum available in that band.
In short: A phone that supports UMTS 2100 will not work for T-Mobile US 3G. A phone that supports AWS/UMTS 1700 will work for T-Mobile US 3G but not for European 2100 3G. (And 1900MHz PCS will give you traditional EDGE on T-Mobile US.)

Malik05 said:
Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427755
post 3, ll
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2610960#post2610960

is the USA 3g band going to be a software or hardware update?

My understanding is that there are people who have the TP2 activated here in the US...
but 3g doesn't work since it uses a different band in EU
so...the million dollar question...
is this hardware or software issue and eventually fixable with a rom upgrade in the future?
thanks for your input

eigerzoom said:
My understanding is that there are people who have the TP2 activated here in the US...
but 3g doesn't work since it uses a different band in EU
so...the million dollar question...
is this hardware or software issue and eventually fixable with a rom upgrade in the future?
thanks for your input
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Since the hardware is very much like the Raphael hardware I would guess that the correct hardware needs to be in place for US 3G. I hope I am wrong since I have a euro version TP2 here in the states.

yeah...its looking like hardware...

It is a hardware thing. They are on different bands (Quad band and tri-band).

dgourd said:
It is a hardware thing. They are on different bands (Quad band and tri-band).
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I dont think it is even bands...my TP2 is quad band I believe and can not get 3G with AT&T.
Bands for my phone Quad Band 850/900/1800/1900

yah plenty of US ppl have them but the euro models only have 3g on 2100mhz (basically wifi???)
usa 3g is on different band...
the quad bands are for phone use (i think...but i'm a noob)
att 3g is 850.1900 tibble is 1700 and telstra is 850/1900
so if i understand it right...to gain 3g on different band besides 2100 (wifi/eu) you are looking at hardware

eigerzoom said:
but the euro models only have 3g on 2100mhz (basically wifi???)
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what does wifi have anything to do with this?

cmonex said:
what does wifi have anything to do with this?
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uh...lol...dont mind me
im just a nub
i should have said wcdma
astain hellbinger (im sure i mispelled that) has been home schooling me...
and he represents any knowlede i have tried to represent here...
forgive my crude interpretation
some of it is sticking though...lol

If you purchased a quadband unlocked TP2, you will never be able to get US 3G on it unless you can get the hardware modified (which in all likelihood, you can't).
If you have a TP2 with triband then it will either support AT&T (850/1900/2100) or T-mobile USA (850/1700/2100). A phone model will probably not come out that supports both T-mobile and AT&T 3G frequencies. This would require a quadband phone with (850/1700/1900/2100). A phone with all four of those frequencies has never been made.
EDGE will work on almost all carriers, world-wide, on a quadband phone EDGE will work on most carriers world-wide on a triband phone.
850 is mostly used for EDGE (both up and downlink). 1700/1900 are commonly used for uplink 3G. 2100 is commonly used for downlink 3G.
I hope that this clears things up.

As mentioned above, internal hardware is almost identical as the Raphael.
This thread gathered the most information for 3G Raphael in the US.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40
So probably hardware and no go although LTxda mentioned bricking his Raphael trying to get 3G working with Elite's team and cmonex, so maybe she as something to add !? =Þ

skyler17 said:
If you purchased a quadband unlocked TP2, you will never be able to get US 3G on it unless you can get the hardware modified (which in all likelihood, you can't).
If you have a TP2 with triband then it will either support AT&T (850/1900/2100) or T-mobile USA (850/1700/2100). A phone model will probably not come out that supports both T-mobile and AT&T 3G frequencies. This would require a quadband phone with (850/1700/1900/2100). A phone with all four of those frequencies has never been made.
EDGE will work on almost all carriers, world-wide, on a quadband phone EDGE will work on most carriers world-wide on a triband phone.
850 is mostly used for EDGE (both up and downlink). 1700/1900 are commonly used for uplink 3G. 2100 is commonly used for downlink 3G.
I hope that this clears things up.
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Awesome - HD7 on AT&T!

Picked up my HD7 from the local T-Mobile Store, acquired my unlock code, applied successfully and was up and running (Exchange and all) within 30 minutes on AT&T.
T.J.

Why do you want to spend so much of money and use it on edge only network ?

why do you want to ruin his experience since apparently he hasn't noticed yet ...

unlockMe said:
why do you want to ruin his experience since apparently he hasn't noticed yet ...
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lol (10 chara)

tjy said:
Picked up my HD7 from the local T-Mobile Store, acquired my unlock code, applied successfully and was up and running (Exchange and all) within 30 minutes on AT&T.
T.J.
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How did you get the unlock code so fast?

tjy said:
Picked up my HD7 from the local T-Mobile Store, acquired my unlock code, applied successfully and was up and running (Exchange and all) within 30 minutes on AT&T.
T.J.
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So exchange works no problem. How about data connection to the Internet ans speed?

tjy said:
Picked up my HD7 from the local T-Mobile Store, acquired my unlock code, applied successfully and was up and running (Exchange and all) within 30 minutes on AT&T.
T.J.
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Oh and the tmobile store today told me unless i was a customer they couldnt sell it to me? $449

Biggzz said:
Oh and the tmobile store today told me unless i was a customer they couldnt sell it to me? $449
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Course they said that. They want the money from the contract/upgrade. Call up corporate and let them know the store would not sell you a phone. There are no restrictions on phones being sold outright, but sometimes, because these stores are not corporate stores, they can enforce their own rules, but reporting them can sometimes make them change their mind.

vikramdhani said:
Why do you want to spend so much of money and use it on edge only network ?
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how SLOW is edge? Is like like a very bad wifi connection? Hehehe... No really, I want to know.

No smartphone is worth the pain of Edge!

I don't know about at&t, but with t-mobile, edge is like not having an internet connection. About 100 kbps and alot of auto updates time out.

Does AT&T 3G require a special frequency that isn't covered by Quad Band? Or is it that T-Mobile 3G has a special, non Quad Band frequency?

Jonno2343 said:
Does AT&T 3G require a special frequency that isn't covered by Quad Band? Or is it that T-Mobile 3G has a special, non Quad Band frequency?
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there are two band sets for gsm phones, GPRS/EDGE and UMTS:3G/3G+/3.5G/HSDPA/HUDPA (sometimes these abbreviations are used individually to denote 3G service. This is not correct as they all mean a different type of 3G, the most generic term is UMTS).
Sometimes HTC phones have different band sets for different countries.
HTC HD7 Europe:
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HTC HD7 T-mobile USA Version:
* UMTS 2100MHz AWS1700/2100MHz
* GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
For GSM there is no issue, 850 & 1900 are USA, 900 & 1900 are EU, but all the phones cover everything:
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
In the USA, UMTS 3G for tmobile is on AWS 1700/2100 only
In the USA other providers use 850 with some using 1900
For example, the HTC Surround on AT&T uses:
* UMTS 2100/1900/850
* GSM GPRS EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
In conclusion:
1. Buying a tmobile HTC in the USA means you can only get 3G signal when using the tmobile network. When travelling abroad you might be able to use 3G, dependent on country.
2. Buying a AT&T HTC in the USA means you can only get 3G signal in the US when using the AT&T network but not on tmobile 3G. When travelling abroad you might be able to use 3G, dependent on country.
3. Buying an HTC HD7 from europe will be able to use neither the tmobile or AT&T network's 3G signal (as AWS 1700/2100mhz is different from normal 2100mhz)
Interestingly, what you may have noticed is that the 2100 3G band is common to all phones, this is also the most widely used 3G band in the world.
Therefore all these phones are fine with 3G everywhere in the world except the USA where the 2 leading GSM networks do not, for some reason, use the 2100mhz band as duplex *
* common question, how is UMTS 2100mhz different from UMTS AWS 2100mhz?
Simple, normal 3G UMTS 2100mhz is duplex (i.e. up and down link use the same frequency). In AWS, the up and downlink use different frequencies, AWS 1700/2100mhz means that tmobile uses 1710-1755 Mhz down & 2110-2155 MHz Up.
Only two networks in the world use AWS, tmobile in the USA and WIND in Canada.
in the rest of the world, where tmobile has a presense, it uses the "normal" 2100 3G band!

Wow, thanks very much colonel, that's an excellent explanation!!
So the T-Mobile HD7 is basically the Europe version with an additional radio (or whatever) to connect to the T-Mobile 3G network?

Jonno2343 said:
Wow, thanks very much colonel, that's an excellent explanation!!
So the T-Mobile HD7 is basically the Europe version with an additional radio (or whatever) to connect to the T-Mobile 3G network?
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it has AWS 1700/2100mhz instead of the EU 900mhz
it retains the normal 2100mhz, although this is useless in the USA
rgds

colonel said:
it has AWS 1700/2100mhz instead of the EU 900mhz
it retains the normal 2100mhz, although this is useless in the USA
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Excellent, thanks for the clarification!
It seems that in South Africa all 3G goes over the 2.1GHz frequency but some operators are starting with 900MHz so all will be fine.
Can't wait to get one now!

vikramdhani said:
Why do you want to spend so much of money and use it on edge only network ?
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Because its the carrier my work pays for Im mostly connected via Wi-Fi anyway.
T.J.

tissot201 said:
How did you get the unlock code so fast?
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http://www.HTCimeiUnlock.com/
Had the code in 10 minutes. Was $25 because of the new device I assume, they advertise 15.
T.J.

lumia icon hspa over 4g?

So after the denim update, AWS (aka 1700/2100 or LTE Band 4) support for the icon(929) became available, and because of this I purchased the Icon and I love it. However I live in Canada and have a month to month plan with Mobilicity. I guess I didn't do my research well enough (I'd like to think the internet was a bit misleading but....i guess its matter of perspective). Mobilicity solely rely on the AWS band frequency. They don't offer LTE but instead use HSPA . I knew that already but I figured that since AWS was supported I could receive HSPA signal over the 4G radio but nope I was wrong.
So I guess there are enough distinct differences between HSPA on AWS and LTE on AWS enough for them to be not cross compatible? Is this a hardware "issue" or a firmware/software one that I could do something about? Is it possible to enable 2G/3G/HSPA over the 4G radio? Or maybe I can get it to work by setting the APN correctly? I looked at some phones specs over on GSMArena which do offer HSPA + LTE support over AWS, I really want to say that it seems unlikely that 2 or more pieces of hardware are required to offer 2 services on what is essentially the same frequency.